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Terrorists Attack Jakarta; Three Powerball Winners Announced; Report Surfaces that Ted Cruz Did Not Report Loans to FEC; Actor Alan Rickman Dies; Interview With Presidential Hopeful Rand Paul. Aired 8- 8:30a ET

Aired January 14, 2016 - 08:00   ET

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[08:00:00] ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: What's the latest, Kathy?

KATHY QUIANO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Alisyn, certainly authorities here new there was some terror threat, but they for a very long time didn't think that existing terror groups were capable of launching another one such as this. It is clear now from information from the police that the attacks were coordinated, were well-planned and well- funded. It also showed the capability, as I said earlier, authorities didn't think groups here had.

Again, that will now lead them for sure to investigating links to groups or individuals here who have -- may have pledged their allegiance to ISIS, for example. And the authorities told us earlier that they are now on a manhunt for more suspects. Five of attackers were killed today. But again they used 10 bombs. There were guns and pistols there. But also another alarming thing is that they were targeting westerners, something that hasn't happened here for the past six years. And certainly the president has said that everything needs to be done with authorities to go after the groups responsible for this attack in Jakarta. Chris?

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Kathy. Thank you very much. Let's get to somebody right now who witnessed the attacks. On the phone is an American, Jeremy Douglas, a representative with the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime. Jeremy, how are you? How are the people who you are with there? Let's start with that.

JEREMY DOUGLAS, U.N. REPRESENTATIVE: Actually I'm fine. The people I was with are fine. I was actually pulling into the United Nations building. We have an office here in Jakarta. And I was pulling in from the back thankfully when the first bomb went off. I didn't hear it because I was behind the building in the vehicle maybe a few hundred meters away. And as we came into the front, and as I got out the second suicide bomb wept went off. And at that point we knew we had a big problem on our hands, and so we rushed into the building and another small bomb. And we got up to the office and there was a series of I think three more and some small arms fire. So it was a pretty hectic scene right in front of our office.

CUOMO: We're told that it lasted a long time. What did it feel like to you?

DOUGLAS: It felt really long. I would say a good 20 minutes. I must say the police did respond pretty quickly, so good for them for doing that. But it was prolonged. You could definitely hear exchange of fire. So it was a pretty big scene and did go. So, yes, these guys were well-prepared.

CUOMO: Were you able to see any of the terrorists? And what you do make of the reports so far that almost all of the fatalities were the actual terrorists and that this wasn't a much more deadly effort?

DOUGLAS: Well I think we're lucky it wasn't more deadly. I mean, two suicide bombers and guys who were armed and other bombs, I mean, in the area of Jakarta where this is it could have been much worse, frankly. So I think we're lucky that it wasn't that bad.

It's the target that they went for is right in a busy intersection, and it was a Starbuck's, which would be pretty prominent for foreigners. So I think it's obvious why they went to that particular location.

CUOMO: Now, obviously, they are not just experts but any observer is noticing this looks and feels like what e we saw in Paris in November. Did that strike you at any point?

DOUGLAS: Yes, that thought was going through my head. If it can happen in Paris, it can happen here. It can happen pretty much anywhere. And this country does have an issue much like other parts of the world with foreign fighters who have gone to the Middle East. Some of them turned, and there is a lot of sympathizer groups active in the region. So this is obviously something that goes in your head which, is this going to be bigger? And thankfully it wasn't that big of an event. Sadly some people were killed and others were badly injured but it could have been much bigger.

CUOMO: You know, back in the United States there is a big wrestling match about how we identify who the threat is, terrorists, Muslims, the conflation of the two here. Very different situation where you are right now in Indonesia. That is the largest Muslim population on the face of the earth, Indonesia, some 250 plus million people there. What is the feel on the ground there about how Muslims are being targeted and who the enemy is?

[08:05:05] DOUGLAS: Well, you know, frankly, this country is a very moderate country generally. We obviously have people like you have anywhere in the world that are a little unhinged and they are evil. And so there is this element, background threats. But I think Indonesians are great people, and it is really sad to see what happened here today because the country is really doing well and they are a lot better than this.

CUOMO: Jeremy Douglas, thank you for wise words and for the observations, and it's good to hear you and everyone around you were OK. Thank you. Alisyn?

CAMEROTA: OK, Chris, we have more breaking news of a much happier variety. The other top story if you are heading to work this morning, chances are you are not one of the big Powerball winners. Three winning tickets sold in the record 1$1.6 billion drawing. They were sold in California, Florida, and Tennessee. And there is more good news. There are also dozens of other instant millionaires across the country thanks to some smaller prizes. CNN's Sara Sidner is live outside one of the winning locations, a 7-Eleven in Chino Hills, California. What is the scene there, Sara?

SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A few hours ago this place was a mad house. There were dozens of people who came out from the community. They didn't know anybody. They just came here because they were so excited that a store in their own town actually was one of the stores that sold a ticket. And they were everywhere, inside the store, outside the store. They were cheering. They were also cheering for the owner here who because he sold the winning ticket is now going to get $1 million. And we talked to him a little about the crowds and his new winnings.

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BALBIR ARWAL, STORE OWNER WHERE WINNING LOTTERY TICKET WAS SOLD: I'm very, very happy, whoever person won from here. And I'm so thankful for my Chino Hill people. They support me all year long.

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SIDNER: He was a favorite among the crowd. People cheered for him all night long. We should also mention, if you have one of those tickets and you know you didn't win the big jackpot, you should go and check it. I mean, really check it, because there is a lot of people who don't do that. And at least 25 people in both California, Tennessee, and in Florida, 25 across the country actually will be millionaires. They will win the $1 million prize and in two states the $2 million prize. So check those tickets. It is worth it.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Here is if other thing. We love our colleague asks all. But if you are in a pool, make sure you put extra eyes on those pool tickets you. You can't rely on one person to double check the numbers. I've learned that the hard way. We were sitting on $4, OK?

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PEREIRA: Sara Sider, have fun there in Chino Hills. Say hello to my California friends.

We turn now to the chair of the Powerball group and the executive director of the Texas lottery, Gary Grief. I'm nicknamed him "The Dream Maker" a littler earlier on the show. Mr. Grief, I'm sure the phone has been ringing off the hook since we spoke. What have you learned since we last spoke? Any new details?

GARY GRIEF, CHAIR, POWERBALL GROUP: Yes. Indeed, Michaela, we have learned that the location that sold the winning ticket in Florida is a Publix store located in Melbourne Beach, Florida. We've seen all the excitement in El Chino, California. I expect that same excitement to start building in Melbourne Beach, Florida, at that Publix. So we're very excited for them. PEREIRA: There's going to be a crowd gathering at the Publix there.

I cannot wait. We've got a camera headed there, we know. We haven't seen a winner since early November. Are you surprised that it took this much energy? There was almost like this momentum that was palpable in the nation.

GRIEF: That is the great thing about the Powerball game. You never know if you will get a winner on the first roll or if it might be the 20th like we had last night. That is what makes it so unique for players to know that no matter where they live from coast to coast, purchasing just one ticket gives them the same chance of winning as anybody else who might be buying one.

PEREIRA: It kind of levels out the playing field. We know there were changes to the rules in October and it made it a little harder to get the jackpot. But also we understand that the Powerball, as we've been learning all morning, the Powerball pays out all sorts of smaller prizes, some of them nothing to sneeze at. In the odds ever winning any prize are actually better now, one in 15. Before it was something like one in 32. Is that correct, Gary?

GRIEF: Actually the odds now of winning any prize are one in 25, and we've been talking all morning about these three winners who woke up to be multi-millionaires. Well, there are 81 others across the country who woke up with at least a prize of $1 million. Eight of those people actually won $2 million. So there are lots of millionaires sprouting up around the United States.

[08:10:08] PEREIRA: And that is not accounting for the fact that so often office pool, groups of people, workers, coworkers put together their money to buy tickets. We could be sitting on multiple groups of winners. We also know that as the jackpot grows -- and, again, this was a history making, record-setting jackpot. As the jackpot grows, so too does the money that you are able to help other organizations with. Is that true?

GRIEF: Yes. That is the wonderful fact that is sometimes lost on people, Michaela. About 40 cents of every dollar spent on Powerball goes right back to good causes like public education, college scholarships, our veterans, et cetera. During this jackpot roll since last November we have sold $3.2 billion of Powerball tickets. Of that amount more than $1.2 billion dollars is going directly to public education, veterans, college scholarships. It is a great win for the entire country.

PEREIRA: Gary, I don't know how long you have worked for the association. Did you ever imagination it would get to nearly $1.6 billion?

GRIEF: I've been in the industry 24 years and I've seen the days when a $50 million jackpot would call out lotto fever. I never thought I'd see the day where it would be almost $1.6 billion.

PEREIRA: Isn't that incredible? All right, Gary Grief, thanks so much for joining us. What an exciting day. And hopefully there will be more excitement as we learn who some of these jackpot winners are. Chris?

CUOMO: All right, Michaela, it is getting nasty in politics once again. Ted Cruz and Donald Trump clashing over the birther issue ahead of tonight's GOP debate. I wonder what they are going to say to each other tonight?

Now, Cruz has another controversy that he's dealing with. It turns out he did not reveal to the FEC hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans in 2012 during his run for the Senate. We have CNN's Sara Murray live in Charleston, South Carolina. What are the facts and what are the implications.

SARA MURRAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Chris, we are definitely going to have plenty of fire for the Republican debate tonight. As you pointed out, Donald Trump has been questioning whether Ted Cruz is even eligible to run for president because he was born in Canada, and Cruz over the last couple of days has been swiping back hard, saying Trump embodies New York values, suggesting he's too cozy with Democrats, and Cruz saying he would be a stronger contender in the general election. Now Donald Trump on the campaign trail last night says he's noticed that Ted Cruz has been getting a little testy.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's been really, really nice, other the last couple of days, he's getting a little testy. I've been waiting. I've been waiting.

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TRUMP: He got a little problem. You know, you've got make sure you can run. You've got to make sure you can run. A lot of lawyers say you can't run if you do that. You can't be born in Canada. You can't be a Canadian citizen.

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MURRAY: Now, right after that Trump says he expects the citizenship issue will come up tonight, but it is unclear if he's going bring it up or if he's going to leave it to the moderators. The Cruz camp says that they are ready for anything. One thing they may have to contend with, though, are questions about hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans that Cruz took out to fund his Senate bid and that he failed to disclose properly. So we'll have a better sense tonight of how he's going to contend with that issue on the debate stage.

CAMEROTA: Chances are both of those things will come up. OK, Sara, thanks so much for that preview.

We have sad breaking news in the entertainment world to tell you about. Legendary British actor Alan Rickman has died after a brief battle with cancer. Rickman was best known for starring in movies like "Die Hard," "Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves," "Love Actually," and the Harry Potter films.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If anyone here has any knowledge of Mr. Potter's movements this evening, I invite them to step forward.

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CUOMO: Severus Snape.

CAMEROTA: I know. My kids watch these movies all the time. We're told Rickman's family was at his side. Alan Rickman was 69 years old.

PEREIRA: My goodness. We just lost David Bowie at 69 following a brief, well, 18-month fight with cancer, and now Alan Rickman. So many of was thinking about "Love Actually," my favorite Christmas film. He was so great. So terrible, so great in that film.

CUOMO: And he had great -- something that sometimes great actors, certainly he was by all accounts, struggle with is when they become popular because of something that doesn't capture the craft as much as other movies, and yet he said a great thing. He said "When I'm 80 years old and I'm sitting in my rocking chair, I will be reading Harry Potter and my grandkids will look at that, and that's all that really matters." Unfortunately he won't get to live that, but our best goes to his loved ones, and certainly thoughts are about his greatness today.

PEREIRA: Another great one gone.

All right, we have a guest here today. Republican presidential candidate Rand Paul, he is in our green room.

[08:15:00] He is not going to be at tonight's debate on Fox. He says he's being snubbed. So what do we think? We're going to ask him what he thinks about all of this. The senator joins us. Next.

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CAMEROTA: Republican presidential candidates will debate again tonight but there will be a conspicuous absence. Senator Rand Paul will not be there. He's boycotting the event after being bumped to the undercard debate. Fox Business Network said is basing its decision on the latest polls but Senator Paul says they're leaving out a key poll and Senator Rand Paul joins us here on "New Day." Great to have you here in studio.

So, are you still fighting this at hour?

SEN. RAND PAUL, (R-KY), REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE: Yeah, I think Republican Party, the media, they're making a big mistake by, you know, pushing me out of the debate because I think I have a different voice, a unique voice in the party. And it's a mistake to really not have me in the debate.

I think the polls -- you in the polls they say they were using actually we meet their criteria.

CAMEROTA: But how is the Republican Party pushing you out? The debate in Fox that it had these metrics. It announced its metrics of how it would sort of calculate the polls and you didn't make the cut.

PAUL: Actually we did. We use the Des Moines Register poll, we do make the cut. And it was performed during the expected window -- define window.

CAMEROTA: Let me pull that up. (Inaudible) everybody, because this is the Des Moines Register poll and it came out yesterday. It shows you in fifth place. You are at 5 percent. This is the one you are hanging your hat on. But it wasn't released within the window and didn't Fox always say it had to be conducted and released within an specific window?

PAUL: Sounds like of like a technicality when we're talking about the major national campaign. We've raised $25 million. We've doing this for two years. We have a thousand precinct chairs in Iowa.

People have to realize that what the media is doing here is predeciding an election or trying to predecide an election. I have an important voice. What do you think the liberty movement, the liberty voters and Republican Party are thinking now? That the Republican Party in league with one of the media networks is saying we're not going let the liberty candidate on the stage.

[08:20:06] CAMEROTA: So do you blame the RNC or you're blaming Fox?

PAUL: You know, I think its both together. But the RNC made the rules and then they've dictated the rules to the networks. And most of the time the networks have accepted these rules. But if the Republican Party wants to be bigger, they need to not be excluding the one voice. I'm the one person on the stake saying that our intervention in the Middle East has actually aided and abandoned and made terrorism worse instead of saying, you know, we're going o have a only one single voice in Republican Party and we're exclude the others voices. I think it's a big mistake for the Republican Party.

CAMEROTA: Is Fox to your argument? It might use -- you still make main stage?

PAUL: We're making the argument but we haven't heard anything directly.

CAMEROTA: All right. I understand your logic. You've laid out your case here but I don't your math. And here's why. You at your campaign rallies are getting what? About 300 people, several hundred people a pop.

PAUL: We're actually getting bigger crowds and almost anyone other than the -- than Donald Trump.

CAMEROTA: OK. Let's say that you're getting a thousand people a pop. Even if at the undercard debate, the average of the viewership is 6 million people. You could reach six million potential voters tonight, so why not go for it?

PAUL: I think people in the media misunderstand this. It isn't about viewership. It's about being designated as part of people who aren't going to win. There's only one debate tonight (ph). Let's be honest about this. There's only one debate and the thing is there is no equivalent. Would you take a spot at 3 in the morning versus your 9:00 a.m. or 7:00 a.m. stop in the morning? They aren't the same and we are kidding ourselves and we don't even describe them as the same. So what it is.

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PAUL: Now, what it is about predefining the race. We have not had one vote yet and everybody is going crazy like Donald Trump has won the race already. And I think it's a mistake and a disenfranchises the voters of Iowa or New Hampshire. Not one vote has been cast and we're already deciding who can participant and who can't. I think it's a huge mistake.

CAMEROTA: But you're choosing too (inaudible) on the label of the undercard debate. Chris Christie, for instance, who's one of your rivals.

PAUL: Right.

CAMEROTA: Famously said put a podium somewhere and I'll show up. And in fact, yesterday, he talked about how he believes you're making a mistake if you want to show up. Let me just play it for you and you can respond. Here's Chris Christie on what he thinks about your decision. Listen to this.

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CHRIS CHRISTIE, (R), REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE: I think it's a mistake on his part. I think if you are invited to debate and you are a serious candidate for president of United States, you should debate. Whether that debate is at 7:00 at night or whether its 9:00 at night. The American people don't care.

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CAMEROTA: The American people don't care what time he was on.

PAUL: You now, I think this would be the first time Chris Christie was wrong about something. You know, we have a lot of big government Republicans like Christie would be wrong about surveillance, wrong about the war, wrong about getting us involved in a another war in the Middle East, so I don't really place a lot of stock in Christie's opinion.

CAMEROTA: OK. Back to the math. These are six million potential voters. And you're saying I'm not going to speak to them.

PAUL: The problem isn't -- and I think this is what's misunderstood by people in the media. You don't understand that if you are designated as someone who is not in contention, that is very disruptive to a campaign three weeks out. We don't consider that we have a second tier campaign. And we're not going to announce to the American people that we are no longer in contention. Because we absolutely are in contention. We have raised $25 million. We have announced more precinct chairs in Iowa than any other candidate has so far. We have a first tier campaign and we can't accept an artificial designation by the media and by the party and it's really showing that does the party want to be bigger? Does the party want the liberty movement in the Republican Party? Do they want voices that say intervention in the Middle East has made us less safe not more safe.

I think if you want to diverse and big party, you need to allow those voices. There's not a distinction at all in the polling between Bush, Kasich, all of these in third and fourth and fifth currently in the polls, there's not one bit of mathematical distinction.

So if you tell me, oh, you're scoring 5.8 and somebody scored 6.2 therefore we are going tell the American people you are in a second class or underclass. That's completely utterly artificial and unfair.

CAMEROTA: So you are sure that the outcome, the effect of you not showing up won't seem that you have a bad attitude or being petulant, that you are sure this is a winning strategy somehow.

PAUL: Nobody knows what the future holds but we do know it's a mistake and our campaign realizes it's a mistake to let the media or the party predecide who has a chance and who doesn't have a chance. We're going to take our message directly to the people. I'll be in Iowa and New Hampshire in tonight 9:00 during the debate. We're going to have a national town hall and all of America can turn their T.V. off if they want and listen to an alternative voice.

CAMEROTA: OK. So let's talk about the eligibility of one of your rivals, and that's Ted Cruz. Do you think that he's eligible to be president of the United States?

PAUL: I think the real question is do Democrats? And will Democrats challenges eligibility? And I think they will.

[08:25:00] It will be extraordinary to have a nominee or president who's not born in the United States. He would be the first if he would be nominated to be president not born in United States. Democrats will bring this up and it has never been decided by the courts. So we don't know yet. But I -- it's not something I'm challenging but I think it's something that certainly Democrats will challenge.

CAMEROTA: So you agree with Donald Trump on this one?

PAUL: I agree with a lot of people that say it's been undecided. That the courts have not yet decided. If the courts have decided that if you were born in Canada and your mom was a citizen, you are a citizen, but the constitution has these unusual words that say natural born citizen.

CAMEROTA: I mean, of course John McCain was born in Panama on a military base so you think that that's the caveat?

PAUL: Now the courts decided with (inaudible) water that if you are born in a U.S. territory that you are a citizen, the court have decided that. The courts have not decided if you were born in a foreign country whether or not you are a natural born citizen. It just hasn't been decided.

CAMEROTA: Let's talk about breaking news to be head yesterday and that is these 10 U.S. sailors who were in Iranian custody very briefly and then this video came out of them on their knees, hands behind their heads and one of them even apologized. Let me play for you a moment of that apology.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a mistake, that was our fault and we apologize for our mistake.

It was a misunderstanding. We did not mean to go into Iranian territorial water.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Iranian behavior was fantastic while we were here. We thank you very much for your hospitality and your assistance.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: What do you think? What do think went on there?

PAUL: We know it goes against the Geneva Convention to put soldiers on T.V, to put prisoners of war on T.V. and use them as publicity pawns.

CAMEROTA: Do you think that was under duress?

PAUL: It's always under duress. When you've been captured, you're being, you know, whether you're being explicitly threatened with your life, you are under duress if you are captured. That is why the Geneva Convention says you are not supposed to this ever. You're supposed to put captured soldiers forth as publicity pawns. And so this is an indication that Iran still feels that they can play games with the United States.

Now the good news is the situation did diffuse.

And so I think it is one reason we do want somebody who is a commander in chief, who is in a hot head, who says immediately, "Oh I'm going to go blow up Tehran because of this insult." And I think that's really the message that I've had on the stage that no other republican candidate has had, is that we need to be weary of intervention in the Middle East but we also want a leader, not someone like Donald Trump who says, "Oh I think our problem is we have not been willing enough to use our nuclear weapons." I think we need some sort of a temperament from a leader that someone who is not eager to get involved in war.

CAMEROTA: OK. Senator Rand Paul, we appreciate you being with us on "New Day", we'll see what happens tonight.

PAUL: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Thanks so much for being here. Let's get to Chris.

CUOMO: All right. We're just moments away from a big reveal from Hollywood. The nominations for the ABA Academy Awards. Who will be Oscar worthy this year? Who's in? Who's out? Ahead.

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