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Snow Storms Hit East Coast; Sarah Palin Endorses Donald Trump for President; Donald Trump Criticizes Ted Cruz; FBI: Robert Levinson, If Alive, Remains in Iran; Senate Democrats Block Syrian Refugee Bill; Interview with Senator Angus King of Maine. Aired 8-8:30a ET

Aired January 21, 2016 - 08:00   ET

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[08:00:00] ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: -- hundreds of car crashes in Virginia alone, and schools in cities like Nashville are closed today because of the treacherous conditions. So let's begin our coverage with Rene Marsh. She's live in Arlington, Virginia, where I know it was a heck of a commute last night, Rene. What is the latest Renee?

RENE MARSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is. I can tell you firsthand, just to travel few miles it took several hours. We weren't the only ones. Many people trying to get out of D.C. or just traveling within the D.C./Virginia/Maryland area, they were struck in traffic five hours, sometimes more. We saw some people this morning walking with gas tanks because they had to abandon their vehicles. They ran out of gas. And that was all just a result of one inch of snow, just the preview. We're supposed to get more on Friday.

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MARSH: A crippling evening commute causing a gridlock nightmare in the D.C. metro area, people stuck behind the wheel for hours.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was pretty rough driving home. And it took a while. It took him an hour to get four miles.

MARSH: As the snow on slick, untreated roads turned to ice.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It usually takes me about 20 to 25 minutes. I've been on the road close to five hours now.

MARSH: Causing more than 160 crashes including one fatality in Virginia. Only one inch of snow wreaking havoc, and it is only a preview of the potentially historic blizzard to come. The nation's capital could be in the bull's eye for a record breaking 30 inches of snow by Sunday.

This traffic app showing the accidents inside and outside of the D.C. beltway, an absolute mess, crashes snarling traffic for hours, forcing drivers to abandon their cars. Pedestrians not spared from the hellish conditions, including President Obama nearly slipping as he exited Air Force One, the commander in chief's motorcade slipping and sliding on snow glazed streets, taking motorcade drivers more than an hour to get back to White House. Snow crews in nearby Virginia and Maryland scrambling overnight,

piling up salt and positioning plows to prepare for the wintry onslaught. The expected blizzard drudging up memories of D.C.'s car- mageddon in January of 2011 when heavy snow fell fast across the region knocking down trees and cutting power to hundreds of thousands along the east coast.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's still better than New York still. I was living in New York this time last year and it was already pretty bad up there.

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MARSH: We are still seeing flights take off and land, so no major consolations at this hour. We know the airlines are still watching the forecast very closely. However, in a matter of hours that could all change. I can tell you if there is 30 inches of snow in this DMV, D.C./Maryland/Virginia area, you can almost guarantee that the airports will have to shut down and other airports along the east coast, they will be severely impacted as it relates to air travel as well. Back to you.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: The keyword you used is "yet." So let's talk about the timing. That's so much, Rene. Timing of that snow, how much is going to fall. He's the man with the numbers, Chad Myers crunching the forecast for us on what to expect and be prepared for.

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Hi, Michaela, good morning. And it's going to be messy in New York City, but not as message as D.C., Baltimore, and Philadelphia. That's the bull's eye of this storm, blizzard watches in effect. And there's even a blizzard watch out for Long Island because of the way the snow is going to come in and how windy it's going to be. Winds may approach 70 miles per hour.

Winter weather all the way back into Arkansas. This is going to be ice. It's storm for Charlotte, for Asheville, maybe even Columbia in Raleigh, Durham, snow into Richmond, Virginia, D.C. and then eventually up into New York.

D.C., it starts about 6:00 tomorrow night. New York City is later than that because it is on its way up here. It probably doesn't start until after midnight Friday night. But then it snows for hours and it blows for hours. Winds are going to be 50 in New York City and the winds and snow are going to be coming down at the same time.

So there is always a postpartum we talk about, when we sit back and say what did we mess up on? How did we get it wrong? Well, the only way we decide this forecast is wrong this time, what we decide right now, is if ice, sleet mixes in with the snow forecast. So if the numbers don't turn out to where they are here, which is in D.C. 30 inches possible, I know I just heard Rene Marsh talk about that, that would happen if it's all snow.

Annapolis, you are probably going to get 10 inches because there is going to be sleet and freezing rain and snow mixed in with that so it is not going to pile up as much. But Gaithersburg, Rockville, Vienna, it's going to be all snow. So it just depends on where you are.

And New York City the bust is this. I can see this storm if it moves a little farther to the north, like 15 miles, New York City you get 10. If it goes to the south 15 more miles, New York City, you get two.

[08:05:02] So there is not a forecast that says two to 10. You can't make that. So we're going six to ten, and I think that is a really decent number here.

Here's what it looks like here now on our map on the floor city by city as we go, New York City, Philadelphia. New York City, six to 10, but I think Westchester you might get two, farther south maybe towards seaside you could get 18. Philadelphia, 10 to 14. Further down to the south, D.C., Baltimore, 20 to 30 inches, farther to the west will be the 30, farther to the east will be the 20, and if you mix in it will 12. Richmond, Virginia, we know you are going to mix in 10 inches of snow, but then ice comes on top of that. And Charlotte, a quarter to a half inch of ice. There could be a devastating ice storm in parts of the southeast, guys.

PEREIRA: That is the mixture that's really dangerous. Snow and the vast amounts falling all at once, clearing it and trying to get around is a big issue of course, but that ice.

CAMEROTA: Yes, the sleet-ice mix, unpleasant. But luckily Chad is keeping an eye minute by minute for us as the models are changing by the hour.

PEREIRA: And he's going to be here tomorrow so we can have help to wade through it, if you will.

CAMEROTA: Very good. Meanwhile to politics. Donald Trump campaigns in Las Vegas today solo after Sarah Palin helped fire up conservative troops during the campaign in Oklahoma. A new CNN-WMUR poll shows Trump with a 20 point lead in New Hampshire. Meanwhile his closest challenger, Ted Cruz is trying to regain momentum after absorbing some political body blows. CNN's Sunlen Serfaty is in Manchester, New Hampshire, with the latest. Hi, Sunlen.

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn. This has been such a tough stretch, a 48 hour stretch for Red Cruz while he does try to fight for traction here in New Hampshire, the center of attention is still focused squarely on Donald Trump and Sarah Palin.

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SERFATY: Sarah Palin wasting no time rallying Trump supporters in Oklahoma, the two packing a double dose of star power, taking aim at the GOP establishment.

SARAH PALIN, (R) FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: Our candidate is ballsy enough to get out there and put those issues on the table.

SERFATY: Palin serving up red meat for the conservative crowd.

PALIN: We got a redhead from the big red apple running for president, and yet the GOP machine, all of a sudden they're saying we're not red enough. We're not conservative enough.

SERFATY: And talking about her 26-year-old son's arrest on domestic violence charges, taking a jab at the president in the process.

PALIN: I can certainly relate with other families who fill these ramifications of some PTSD. It is now or never for the sake of America's finest that we have that commander in chief who will respect them and honor them.

SERFATY: Those comments making headlines on the heels of her major Trump endorsement.

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Every one of candidates wanted her endorsement, and in particular Ted Cruz who right now is having tremendous difficulty.

SERFATY: In New Hampshire Ted Cruz fighting to regain momentum after Palin makes the case that Trump's the one with the conservative cred.

PALIN: Are you ready to stump for Trump?

SERFATY: And the latest from former Republican Senate majority leader Bob Dole warning of, quote, "cataclysmic and wholesale losses for the GOP if Cruz prevails."

SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Mr. Trump is welcoming the support of the Washington establishment. Indeed, Mr. Trump said they should support him because he said Ted won't go along to get along. He won't make deals with the Democrats.

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SERFATY: And now Ted Cruz is really trying to reshape the narrative surrounding his campaign right now, really trying to pin the establishment label right on Donald Trump, of course, to present himself in contrast as a true antiestablishment choice, Chris.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Sunlen, thank you very much.

So here is a provocative question in politics this morning. Why did Sarah Palin abandon candidates that line up much more on positions to go with Trump? Did Trump work a deal? Trump talked to Don Lemon and offered answers on that and a new assessment of what kind of person his biggest rival Ted Cruz is. Here it is.

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: What was it like with Sarah Palin on the campaign trail for the first time?

TRUMP: We had to send away 5,000 people. You saw the arena today. I hope you saw the arena.

LEMON: I did. It was full.

TRUMP: It was massive. It was like a -- it was incredible.

LEMON: There was no negotiating over, you know, if she would join your campaign?

TRUMP: She would work with the campaign probably. But in terms of if I win will she want a job or some kind of thing -- zero. Absolutely not even discussed. And it's frankly very impressive that she doesn't discuss it.

But every one of the candidates wanted her endorsement, and in particular Ted Cruz who right now is having tremendous difficulty. He's got a loan problem where, as you know, he didn't on his financial disclosure form he didn't list that he borrowed a lot of money from Goldman Sachs and from Citibank. That's a big thing. That's a big thing.

[08:10:03] This country needs help. It needs leadership, Don, and it needs it fast, and Ted is not the right guy. He hasn't got the temperament. Everybody dislikes him. I mean, he's a nasty guy that everybody dislikes. And he's got another problem now that you haven't mentioned yet, that he was born in Canada.

LEMON: This is showing up in the polling Mr. Trump. And this is in the new Monmouth University poll, it shows you with a big national lead, 36 percent to 17 percent for Ted Cruz.

TRUMP: Wow, I didn't know that. Tell me about polls I don't even know about. That just came out, I guess.

LEMON: But there is another interesting thing that goes along with what you are saying, a third of Republican voters are questioning Ted Cruz's eligibility for president.

TRUMP: I understand that.

LEMON: Do you think that is due to your very public discussion on this issue?

TRUMP: I understand why they would. And by the way, this was the question posed to me by the "Washington Post," OK. It was one of 10 questions. And I said I don't know. And that is a big problem when you say you don't know. We will find out someday. As you know it's been untested. Nobody really knows, and that is the problem.

LEMON: You said this was a question from the "Washington Post," but you have been, and as you said, you care about him and that is why you don't want there to be any question about whether he's eligible to be president.

TRUMP: I don't care about him. I care about the country.

LEMON: OK. TRUMP: I care about the country. I also care about the party.

And he's going to have to clear that up. And many people right now -- many, many people are saying that is a problem.

LEMON: You are leading on this that you have been front and center on this public discussion about it.

TRUMP: No, I'm not making an opinion. I'm not saying he's right or wrong or he has the right to do or not to do it. I'm just saying it is untested. It's untested.

LEMON: Let's move on and talk about you again. You mentioned Oklahoma and Sarah Palin. You said today she had a great reception. In Tulsa this afternoon she spoke about her son Track's domestic violence arrest on Monday night, implying that it might have something to do with his combat related trauma, and she criticized the president's policies dealing with that. Did you ask her to address her son's arrest?

TRUMP: I told her it would be absolutely fine. I thought it would be appropriate. There was tremendous press and I think it is something that's very important to discuss, not even for her son but for so many other sons and daughters that are coming back from the Middle East where they have, you know, traumatic problems. They have tremendous problems. And I told her, I actually suggested it. I said to her I think it would be a great --

LEMON: Do you think it is fair to link the president with her son's issues?

TRUMP: Oh I think so. Look everything starts at the top. He's the president, and I think you could certainly do that. From what I understand they just -- and all you have to do is look at the Veterans Administration. Look at the bad, the horrible care our vets get.

One of the many things I'm going to do is I'm going to straighten that mess out. You take a look at the Phoenix Veterans Administration in Phoenix, Arizona. It is a disgrace. It's a cesspool. It is dishonest. It is corrupt in every way. It's incompetent. But more I think, frankly, I think it is more dishonest than incompetent. But you look at this is true all other the country. And I think it is a good thing, and you have to say ultimately it is the president's charge. It's the president's responsibility.

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CAMEROTA: All right, joining us now is the national spokesperson for the Cruz for president campaign Rick Tyler to talk about all of this. Hi, Rick.

RICK TYLER, NATIONAL SPOKESPERSON, CRUZ FOR PRESIDENT: Good morning, how are you?

CAMEROTA: I'm well. I think we all know that whatever the bromance was between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump has now turned into a bit of a battle. And I want to play one more portion of Donald Trump talking last night, because he went right at Senator Cruz, and then get you to respond to it. Listen to this from last night.

TYLER: Sure.

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TRUMP: It needs leadership done and it needs it fast. And Ted is not the right guy, hasn't got the temperament. I mean, look, everybody dislikes him. He's a nasty guy that everybody dislikes.

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CAMEROTA: So Rick, Donald Trump is now saying that he's a nasty guy that everybody dislikes. And the reason that we play this is because it does play into a larger impression of Senator Cruz that even Bob Dole yesterday talked about, which is that he can't get along with his colleagues. And as president you need to get along with your colleagues even those that you disagree with. So what is the response?

TYLER: Well, if you want to get along with your colleagues to continue to bankrupt the country and continue to fund Planned Parenthood and continue to drive the country in the wrong direction then you are not going to get along with Ted Cruz. And that's what he did. He promised the millions of Texas voters that he would go to Washington and change Washington.

And the reason Donald Trump gets along with Washington is because they know that he wouldn't change anything, that he's a deal maker and that he will compromise. He'll compromise and we'll end up with no change. The American people want change. That is actually the reason they chose Donald Trump to begin with.

[08:15:00] But now they are beginning to understand that Donald Trump is really the paymaster for the cartel. He is not an outsider. He in fact has been writing checks to the insiders for a long time, and mostly for Democrats.

He's given money to the Clinton Foundation. He gave Rahm Emanuel $50,000, the mayor of Chicago. He's given money to Anthony Weiner. He's given money to Andrew Cuomo. He's given money to Charlie Rangel, Chuck Schumer --

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CAMEROTA: Just because he gives money doesn't mean he's part of the inside political establishment. I mean, Sarah Palin and Donald Trump are seen as the outsiders in this race. I mean, that's what their title is in this race.

TYLER: But look what's happening. You will see in the polls is the establishment now, who you are right, doesn't like Ted Cruz, is rallying behind Donald Trump. The establishment has now chosen their candidate. They've abandoned Marco Rubio. They've abandoned Jeb Bush and they have chosen Donald Trump.

And so, the race comes down to, what it always does, is a conservative in the race, Ted Cruz, and a moderate liberal in the race, Donald Trump, which is fitting because Donald Trump has had liberal views, progressive liberal views almost all his entire life and now, all of a sudden, he's a conservative.

And by the way the voters like Ted Cruz. And we've got lots to prove that. A Gallup poll, a national poll, showed that Ted Cruz was the most likable, most favorable politician running in 2016.

And, by the way, Donald Trump is not very liked by the voters. So while he may like the people on the inside and the people on the inside who he writes checks to may like him, that is the whole problem. Washington doesn't need another insider paymaster for the cartel who's making deals and compromising. They need an outsider who's been proven. It's only one person in this race who's proven to be an outsider that would change Washington, and that's Ted Cruz.

CAMEROTA: Except the critics of President Obama say he did not work the Republicans in Congress and he did too much by executive action. What I hear you saying, Rick, is that Senator Cruz has no plans to work with the Democrats in Congress, because compromise is not part of his game plan. So, he too would have to rely on executive action. The voters are -- might want to choose something different than that plan.

TYLER: No. In fact on day one which will occur a year from yesterday, Senator Cruz will rip up every unconstitutional legal executive action this president took. But that is now how the Washington works.

Washington doesn't work by getting along with all the insiders and the lobbyists and the members or even the leadership. The way Washington works is when the president can go to the country and articulate a vision and the country forces Washington to change. That's how it works. That's, in fact, how we got welfare reform back in 1995. That's, in fact, how we got a balanced budget back in 1995.

The Democrats didn't want to pass that. They were forced to because the American people rose up and said you make these changes, you will be the change. So that's what will happen.

Ted Cruz, it is an old Margaret Thatcher-ism. She said, first win the argument and then you win the vote. That's how it's supposed to work. The government is we the people. Not we the lobbyists. We the insiders.

When we the people rise up and say, look, you either change Washington and get the country back on track, create jobs, get out of way on small business, then Washington will react. If they don't react they get replaced.

So, look, Ted Cruz will be a great president who would lead the country and rally the people behind him to get the right leaders, to get the right kind of changes so that we can return to a safe country that is prosperous.

CAMEROTA: Rick, before we go I want to ask about this spat that you seem to have started, accidentally I think with Bristol Palin, Sarah Palin's daughter. You were on NEW DAY on Tuesday and said you hoped Palin wouldn't endorse Trump because she would somehow be like disavowing the real conservative values.

Well, it incensed Bristol Palin. And she put this out on her blog, where she say, "Cruz's flip-flop, turning against my mom who's done nothing but support and help him when others sure didn't, shows he's a typical politician. How rude that he's setting up a false narrative about her. The audacity to suggest that because she chooses one over the other would somehow damage her just shows arrogance."

What do you want to say to Bristol about what you said on Tuesday?

TYLER: Well, you know what I -- I mean, you know what I said. I said I was deeply disappointed that Sarah Palin chose Donald Trump and I am because Sarah Palin is a conservative. And in no way did I disparage Bristol's mom. I have the greatest respect for Bristol's mom. She is a conservative.

In fact, Ted Cruz would not be in the Senate today were it not for Sarah Palin who endorsed an underdog and that's what we are today. We're still an underdog in this race and we're fighting to win.

So, I didn't disrespect Sarah Palin. I never would. I have great admiration and respect for her. I've met her many times. So, you know, it's just not true that I have disrespect and I'm sorry she took that impression. I certainly didn't mean any offense by it.

CAMEROTA: OK. Rick Tyler, thanks so much. Nice to talk to you this morning.

We also want to let everyone know about this big event on Monday night in Iowa.

[08:20:02] It's exactly one week before the Iowa caucuses. Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton and Martin O'Malley will go face-to- face with voters in Iowa. It's a CNN town hall. It's live from Des Moines, and Chris will moderate that. Next Monday night only here on CNN.

Mick?

PEREIRA: All right. Now to the mystery surrounding the missing former FBI agent Robert Levinson. FBI investigators revealing they think he is in Iran if he is still alive. Levinson has been missing nine years now, was not part of the prisoner swap with Iran.

Our justice reporter Evan Perez is live in Washington with more on all of this.

His family is in agony trying to figure out what happened to him.

EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE REPORTER: Absolutely, Michaela.

FBI investigators believe that if Robert Levinson is still alive, he's being held in Iran. And that is in contrast to comments we've heard from the White House and the State Department saying that Levinson is no longer believed to be there. It shows there is a behind-the-scenes dispute in the U.S. government about his fate.

And this is very upsetting news for the Levinson family. They released this statement. Take a look. "If this is true it is outrageous that after nine years, members of the U.S. government are still not on the same page about getting Bob home. This confirms our belief that some in the administration have not made Bob a priority and that's why he's still a hostage."

As you mentioned, Levinson is a former FBI agent and at the time he disappeared in 2007, he was working at the CIA contractor. His family has been highly critical of the prison swap announced last weekend in which Iran released five U.S. citizens, while the U.S. released seven Iranians and dropped charges against 14 others.

The Levinson family last received proof of life on Levinson in 2010 and 2011. It was a video and photos showing him pleading for help. And there is one thing that there is agreement among officials. No matter which agency you talk to. The distinct possibility that Levinson died in captivity years ago, Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Evan. Thank you very much. Appreciate the reporting on this.

Also new this morning. A detailed U.K. inquiry concluding that former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko was probably murdered on personal orders of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The investigation finding there is a strong probability that two Russian agents poisoned the former spy in a hotel in 2006 on orders of Russia's service.

Spy Litvinenko died at a London hospital from radioactive poisoning. Russia's foreign ministry dismissed the inquiry as, quote, "politically motivated".

CAMEROTA: Well, car maker Volvo making a bold prediction, promising, quote, "death proof cars the year 2020". They say they are combining crash safety features with lots of technology, including collision avoidance, adaptive cruise control and pedestrian detection.

But Volvo says they cannot account for reckless drivers. But can't they?

CUOMO: No.

CAMEROTA: I mean, why not?

PEREIRA: There's always a variable, right?

CAMEROTA: But if you take away the human factor driver and make everything automated, then it doesn't matter --

CUOMO: What do you do if I drive into you?

CAMEROTA: You can't drive into me.

CUOMO: How can I not?

CAMEROTA: Because your car has collision avoidance. So, it like goes a different direction if you're coming near me.

PEREIRA: Am I alone on this --

CUOMO: What if I don't have it on or what if I'm reckless anyway?

CAMEROTA: Then you should lose your license.

CUOMO: I know there are rock solid confirmations from Camerones (ph).

All right. So, Republicans hit a snag in their plan to stop Syrian refugees from entering the country but the battle isn't over. We have what comes next.

I should lose my license. That's where you want to wind up on this?

CAMEROTA: Right now.

CUOMO: Right now?

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[08:26:32] CUOMO: All right. So, this bill debate get that much attention but it deserved it. It was going to tighten screening procedures of Syrian and Iraqi refugees. It winds up stalling in the Senate.

Now, the House had approved the same bill, but Senate Democrats rejected it there, insisting an amendment be added that denounced Donald Trump's proposed Muslim travel ban.

Joining us now is member of the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees, independent senator from Maine, Angus King.

Senator, always a pleasure.

SEN. ANGUS KING (I), MAINE: Nice to see you Chris.

CUOMO: So, is it over, do you think? This question of whether or not the United States will let in Syrian and Iraqi refugees in a meaningful way?

KING: Well, I think the answer as you put it in your intro, the question is, are we going to tighten the requirements? Or are we going to eliminate allowing these folks in all together and that was really what the vote yesterday was about. I believe we should tighten the requirements. I think there should be extra vetting of people coming from a region with so much instability and so much terrorism activity.

But the question is how to do it in such a way. For example, we need to be searching social media. We need to have access to databases other than the ones we have.

So, I think that is reasonable. The bill yesterday that came up really effectively cut it off all together. Everybody knew that was what it was all about.

I didn't think that was the way to go for a couple of reasons. National security is one. We had testimony yesterday from a distinguished former ambassador that to that region who said this would be essentially a gift to ISIS. They want to see us close our borders to Muslims. They want to convert this whole struggle into the West versus Islam and this would have been exactly playing in.

Plus the fact, how can we talk about Europeans taking in these refugees and say, yes, but we're not going to do it.

CUOMO: Does the left wanted both ways on this? The Democrats, they want to say, we should let them, but we need to have tighter restrain, but we shouldn't pause and letting them in while we figure out the tighter restrains. It seems like that's contradictory position. If you think you need to do better because the vetting isn't sufficient, but you are going the let them in at the same time that the vetting isn't sufficient, that doesn't seem productive, does it?

KING: Well, I asked for a half a day meeting on the subject with homeland security and the state Department and the CIA to determine just how this process works.

If you were a terrorist in the Middle East and wanted to get into the U.S., the last path you would take would try to be for a refugee. For one thing, there is a screening process at the U.N., and then, what I didn't know -- you don't -- once you get through and approved as a refugee by the U.N., you don't know where you are going to be sent. You could be sent to Sweden or Germany or Venezuela or the U.S. In other words, it's not for sure that you are going to come here.

There's a very tough process in place. I think it could be strengthened. But I think as I said the bill yesterday essentially was shutting the door. And I think that would not be in the national interest. And I'm willing to continue to work if my colleagues here want to work on other aspects of this to tighten up. I'd be delighted to do so.

The other thing, Chris, is --

CUOMO: Yes?

KING: -- it's the wrong target.

The real issue I believe is the visa waiver program and abuses to the visa program. Twenty million come in under the waiver program, 2,000 Syrian refugees. We did some work on the visa waiver program before Christmas, but 40 percent of the illegal aliens in the U.S. are here because they are overstayed visas and we don't have a very effective process for keeping track of them.