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Democrats Make Final Pitch Before Iowa Caucuses; Trump on Cruz: 'He's Got a Problem with His Canadian Birth'. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired January 26, 2016 - 06:00   ET

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I've been on the frontlines of change and progress since I was your age.

[05:58:32] SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Experience is important, but judgment is also important.

CLINTON: I have a much longer history than one vote.

SANDERS: I think we are touching a nerve with the American people.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm leading every national poll by a lot. And now I'm leading every single state.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If he went on to win New Hampshire, well, there's a very good chance he could be unstoppable.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: What do you have that Ted Cruz doesn't have?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Planned Parenthood has been cleared of any wrongdoing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These anti-abortion extremists spent three years creating a fake company.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people who tried to expose them are the ones that are now facing criminal charges.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY, with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It's Tuesday, January 26, 6 a.m. in the East. You see Alisyn and John there in New York. And we are live in Des Moines, Iowa. This is where we had the Democratic candidates make their final arguments directly to Iowa voters last night in CNN's town hall.

Hillary Clinton trying to sell her toughness and preparedness to be commander in chief. On the flip side, Bernie Sanders questioning Clinton's judgment as he tried to sell his vision for the country. And Martin O'Malley saying his supporters should stand strong.

Clinton and Sanders are locked in a dead heat in Iowa, just six days before the caucuses. Was last night the push that gave the edge? That's the question. Let's get some perspective on it.

CNN senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar joins me now with the highlights. So what did we see? What did we not see enough of?

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: It was -- there was a lot of energy. This really was an argument that these two candidates were making Hillary Clinton for experience, Bernie Sanders for judgement. Perhaps a little bit of a flashback to 2008. One week now before the Iowa caucuses.

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CUOMO: All right. We are live.

KEILAR (voice-over): Less than a week away from the Iowa caucuses.

SANDERS: This calls for a standing up response. Hold on.

KEILAR: The Democratic candidates are out of their chairs.

MARTIN O'MALLEY (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm not capable of doing Q and A from a seat.

CUOMO: Yes, please.

KEILAR: And throwing soft punches in a final pitch to voters.

SANDERS: Experience is important, but judgment is also important.

KEILAR: Bernie Sanders kicking off CNN's town hall, going record to record with Hillary Clinton.

SANDERS: I voted against the war in Iraq. Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq. I led the effort against Wall Street deregulation. See where Hillary Clinton was on this issue. On day one, I said the Keystone Pipeline is dumb idea. Why did it take Hillary Clinton such a long time before she came into opposition?

KEILAR: Clinton says one bad vote on the Iraq War is just a scratch, not a dent.

CLINTON: I have a much longer history than one vote, which I've said was a mistake, because of the way that that was done and how the Bush administration handled it. But I think the American public has seen me exercising judgement in a lot of other ways.

Former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley once again fighting for his place in this race. O'MALLEY: I am the only one of the three who has a track record,

not of being a divider but are bringing people together to get meaningful things done.

KEILAR: Voters challenging the candidates on key issues.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How are you planning to ensure racial equality?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How are you going to fight for women's rights?

KEILAR: The Vermont senator clearing up his stance on gun control.

If a gun shop owner should know, why should somebody be buying 1,000 guns? Somebody should be thinking that does not make a lot of sense. In that case, that gun shop owner or the gun manufacturer should be held liable.

KEILAR: The former secretary of state leaning on nearly a million miles of travel to prove she's the foreign policy frontrunner.

CLINTON: I flew from Cambodia, where I was with the president, to Israel middle of the night, go see the Israeli cabinet, work with them on what they would accept as an offer, go see the Palestinian minister, work with him to make sure he'd back it up, go back to Jerusalem, finalize the deal, fly to Israel, meet with President Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood, president of Egypt, hammer out the agreement.

KEILAR: Clinton not only highlighting her record but defending her character.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've heard from quite a few people my age that they think you're dishonest.

CLINTON: I've been on the front lines of change and progress since I was your age. I have been fighting to give kids and women and the people who are left out and left behind a chance to make the most out of their own lives.

KEILAR: Throughout the night, one message was clear. Dump Trump.

O'MALLEY: We are far better than the sort of fascist rhetoric that you hear spewed out by Donald Trump.

KEILAR: Clinton taking it a step further.

CLINTON: We need a coalition that includes Muslim nations to defeat ISIS. And it's pretty hard to figure out how you're going to make a coalition with the very nations you need if you spend your time insulting their religion.

(END VIDEOTAPE) KEILAR: This really shaped up in this town hall to be a choice

between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders for caucus goers here in Iowa, for voters across the country, establishment versus the alternative. And we're going to see, of course, here in just six days what Iowans or Iowa Democrats think the choice should be.

CUOMO: One of the reasons that they brought so much energy, as you said, last night. Just six days ago this was the last best chance to have that big audience.

All right. Stay with us, would you? Let's bring in some big brains to discuss this. We have CNN political analysts and editorial political director for "The National Journal," Ron Brownstein; and CNN Politics executive editor Mark Preston. I think I added a word to your intro, Ron. You can beat me up about it later.

Observations, brother Preston, on last night. Did CNN provide value in terms of the wave of first response.

MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Of course if I said we didn't provide value, Chris Cuomo would throw the...

CUOMO: I wouldn't respect you if you said that.

PRESTON: Cuomo would throw the right at me. No, look, yes. Because I do think there was something in the fact that we did actually hear from voters, people who are going to decide who is going to be the winner here in Iowa. And what's interesting about these questions is that they weren't journalist questions. They weren't us asking them that are very well constructed. You're trying to put somebody in a box. There are real-life questions, real-life situations.

And that's why, I think, last night was certainly a lot different than the presidential debates we've had or any of these other events that these candidates have had.

[06:05:07] CUOMO: I want your observation, Ron. The -- to me there was a tradeoff. There were so many opportunities I saw last night to go back at the candidates if we were just sitting like this.

But that's not what it was. This was about trading that satisfaction from a journalist's perspective to seeing how they interact with viewers about what is concerning to them. They can't be dismissive, as they often are when they're answering our questions.

BROWNSTEIN: You know -- and you see a lot about not only their policy positions, but these are a little bit more about their personalities and their personal stories. I mean, you know, it's clear from that session last night what Hillary Clinton wants her closing argument to be: "You know, I have been there. I can be president. I have pragmatic possible plans to move forward with things that you care about."

I thought it was very interesting that Bernie Sanders last night, I thought, actually, you know, they all performed well. I thought he had the best night, because it allowed him to do something that we really haven't seen in the debates. Two things really. One is show more personality. Show more of his personal story than what we've really seen in any of the debates, where he can kind of come off as, you know, kind of a -- standing and ambulatory policymaker.

And the other thing it allowed him to do is really give the totality of his agenda in a way that hasn't been comprehensible, I think, as much as in the debates. A lot of parts of that agenda may be problematic in a general election. But for a Democratic audience, we're able to put that all out in one place. I thought it was very effective for him.

CUOMO: They were preaching at the converted last night. Do you think it was compelling hearing Hillary Clinton say, "Look, I know the Republicans," in her opinion, "have been trying to kill me my entire life. But I'll be able to bear-hug them and work on things as we find..." Do you think that will be saleable to independents and some moderate Republicans?

BROWNSTEIN: Well, first of all, I think the first part is very saleable for the Democratic electorate. That is her core, I think, strength. That people see her as a fighter, someone who is tough, can take a punch and keep going. And right now, it is very partisan moment that we're in that Democrats and Republicans are looking for a candidate, really, to kind of take it to the other side.

The second half, I think, is it more difficult, but I do think she has credit there, largely inherited from her husband, who really did do well at points in his second term at working with the Republicans. The last big bipartisan budget deal, you know, 1997, welfare reform, there were a series of deals. And I think the Clinton name still carried something there, but I do think the two ideas are in something of tension.

CUOMO: Significant that Secretary Clinton last night admitted should have apologized sooner when it came to the e-mail stuff. Would not suggest that was an error in judgment, though.

She was very -- she walked a very fine line, as she always does, which she is very capable of doing. When you pushed her on it, she pushed back very hard. Because she said she was not in the wrong, and they continue to make that argument.

Look, they're still looking at the situation with the e-mail server right now. I think that Hillary Clinton tried to show that, "Yes, OK I might have made a mistake, but I didn't do anything wrong."

KEILAR: But she struggles to say she's sorry. And even people who are in her corner will admit that. And they tear their hair out sometimes when it happens.

So I do -- I thought that was a really fascinating question that was asked of her. But she -- she has difficulty sort of in that area. And I think watching that roll-out that we saw that led up to the apology, clearly, she could have apologized sooner. Not for political expediency. That she should have just admitted she had an error in judgment when it came to the e-mails.

PRESTON: We're saying, though, right, that Hillary Clinton went on the stage. She took questions. They didn't know what we were asking them, but every one of those answers was certainly rehearsed, not only by Hillary Clinton but by Bernie Sanders and by Martin O'Malley. You know, whether -- whether they've been refining them on the campaign trail here in Iowa, or New Hampshire, or elsewhere, they certainly were prepared for everything that was coming your way.

BROWNSTEIN: And I think that that was the great thing about the evening. It really doesn't encapsulate the choice the Democrats face, I mean, you know, people say head versus heart. But you kind of think of it as more broadly, Hillary Clinton is saying, "I can work within the system, and I am going to get as much done as you care about as can be achieved within the world that we now live in."

And Bernie Sanders is we're going to change the world fundamentally. And that is the divide among Democrats. Whether you believe that is a plausible strategy, not only to govern but in the first place to win the election.

CUOMO: All the campaigns believe they did well last night. That's not unusual. Right? You want to go into spin mode ASAP, but in terms of that type of forum, seeing them with voters, you don't usually get -- you get to see each individual candidate with voters all the time. You don't get to see them in succession with the same group of voters. So it's a little bit of a different lens. We have benefited from that most.

BROWNSTEIN: Actually, I think Sanders did. I think it allowed him to show a side of himself that we haven't really seen in the debates, whereas I said he can sometimes come across as a series of policy papers. You know, it's sort of like listening to the economics department at the Brookings Institution or something after that.

But what he was able to do last night was really kind of connect his passion to his personal story. Talking about his parents was something that we haven't -- I haven't seen anything like that from him on a national stage.

I think Hillary Clinton was good, as well, in that sense. Her passion, her best answer was saying I've been working on these issues since I was your age. Have a little bit of that nervous laughter at times. It may seem like just a little bit too much trying to connect.

[06:10:08] KEILAR: Being on the trail with Bernie Sanders, you know, town halls, you can argue they're a little bit boring sometimes when they're out. Not this one. I thought this was fascinating.

CUOMO: Oh, yes. Thank you.

KEILAR: No, I really do. The questions were so -- there was so much -- a lot of bravery in some of the questions. But, you know, these are -- this is the process out on the campaign trail, the sort of -- all of the work they put in where they're just going back and forth with voters answering questions. It doesn't always get a ton of play like this. It's not always under such a big microscope.

But Bernie Sanders, having been on the trail with him, is pretty fascinating in the way that he approaches voters. He has done a lot sort of in his home state, where he goes to high schools and he likes to go to high schools and talk to students.

And so I've been sort of -- something that has been impressed upon me watching him is how he sort of has this interesting rapport. And he's pretty comfortable doing it. So I thought this was a good venue for him, to show him off in a way we haven't seen, like Ron said.

CUOMO: Brianna, Ron and, credit where credit is due, brother Preston. Your team did a hell of a job.

PRESTON: Yes, well.

CUOMO: That's why the town hall was on last night, the politics team at CNN went through all those damn questions, found a range of relevant issues, found the people who were willing to get up there and, as Ron said, you know, kind of take that spotlight. You guys did a hell of a job.

PRESTON: Well, as did you.

CUOMO: All right. Alisyn, back to you.

CUOMO: OK, Chris, thanks so much. A new high watermark for Donald Trump. This new national poll shows Trump opening up his biggest lead yet. And wait until you hear what Trump says now about Ted Cruz. That's next.

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TRUMP: Cruz, who is a nasty guy who can't get along with anybody. We can't have a guy who stands in the middle of the Senate floor and now every other senator thinks he's a whack job.

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[06:15:56] CAMEROTA: Donald Trump breaking a new ceiling in the race for the GOP nomination. A CNN/ORC national poll out, just out minutes ago, shows the billionaire with his biggest lead yet. He's at 41 percent. Well, his closest rival, Ted Cruz, is at 19 percent. The billionaire relishing his frontrunner status in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, wasting no time attacking his opponents, especially Ted Cruz.

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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Mr. Trump, thanks very much for joining us.

TRUMP: Thank you. BLITZER: All of a sudden in Iowa, you've got double-digit leads,

according to the CNN most recent poll. Is this now a two-man race?

TRUMP: I don't know that it is. I doubt it is. You know, you never know what's going to happen. I know I'm working very hard in Iowa. That's the one where somebody is closest to me, but I took a pretty big lead over the weekend if you saw the polls that came out, including yours. We've taken big leads everywhere. I mean, nationally big leads. In New Hampshire very, very big. In South Carolina, amazing. So Iowa is very important to me.

BLITZER: What do you have that Ted Cruz doesn't have?

TRUMP: Well, look, I don't want to knock anybody, but he's got a lot of problems. He's got a problem with his Canadian birth. He was born in Canada. It's a real question. And as you know, Laurence Tribe from Harvard and many other lawyers are saying he can't do what he's doing. He's not allowed to run. And you have some lawyers that say definitively he cannot run.

BLITZER: Is that why his numbers have gone down in Iowa?

TRUMP: I don't know. I think it has an impact, because I think they said 36 percent of the people agree that he can't run for president. He was born on Canada -- in Canada, and he was born on Canadian soil.

Now, he can run for prime minister of Canada, but I don't think he can -- I honestly don't know if he can run.

And there's a question Mark. And you know, if he ever got the nomination, the first thing that will happen the first day, the first week will be he will be sued by the Democrats. And that's going to be it. I mean, you know, what are they going to do, go two years and nobody's going to know? It would take years to go through the court system.

So he should solve that problem. In addition to that, he has the Goldman Sachs problem, where he borrowed a lot of money and never said it. Then he borrowed money from Citibank. He never told anybody. He never disclosed it.

BLITZER: He did disclose it to one entity of the federal government but not to another.

TRUMP: He didn't put it in his personal disclosure form, OK, financial disclosure form. And you've got to do that. And you've got to do it. He's got two banks. But he didn't do it for a reason. He didn't do it, because he doesn't want people to see that he's borrowing from banks that he's supposed to be regulating.

BLITZER: The establishment Republican candidates, basically four -- Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, John Kasich -- who do you see as your biggest threat?

TRUMP: I don't really view anybody. I just want to do my own thing, Wolf. I mean, I could say this one, that one, what difference does it make? I just want to do my own thing.

We're really resonating. We're doing great with evangelicals in Iowa, as an example. And nationwide, I'm leading with evangelicals by a lot. And we're doing fantastically with the Tea Party. They're terrific people. We're doing great with the Tea Party. We're doing great with everything.

I mean, I'm leading every national poll by a lot, and now I'm leading every single state. And in most cases by a lot.

BLITZER: You just posted a Facebook video. You say the establishment is against you. Why do you say that?

TRUMP: Well, I think the establishment actually is against me but really coming online, because they see me, as opposed to Cruz, who is a nasty guy who can't get along with anybody.

You know, look, at a certain point you've got to make deals. We can't have a guy who stands in the middle of the Senate floor and every other senator thinks he's a whack job. Right? You know, you have to make deals; you have to get along. That's the purpose of what our founders created.

And Ted cannot get along with anybody. He's a nasty person. You don't see that. And even when he was supportive of me, I kept saying watch what's going to happen; he's a nasty guy. And he brought it up at the debate. He started it; I finished it. But he brought it -- you know, he started getting very bad at the debate.

And then he tells lies. I mean, he said I knocked down some woman's home; I bulldozed it. I never knocked down her home. She didn't want it. And the words "eminent domain." You wouldn't have roads. You wouldn't have airports. You wouldn't have hospitals. You wouldn't have schools. You have to have eminent domain.

By the way, the Keystone Pipeline is all based on eminent domain. You wouldn't move that thing ten feet without taking that land on which it sits.

And by the way, all those people get paid a lot of money. It's not like they take it. They take it and pay a lot of money. But he makes a big deal out of eminent domain. You wouldn't have a country. You wouldn't have one highway in this country if you didn't have that. You wouldn't have a railroad. You wouldn't have anything.

[06:20:09] So they make it eminent domain, because most people don't know what it is.

Then they have me taking a woman's house. I never took the woman's house. I never knocked down anybody's house. But they show a bulldozer knocking down a house. It's really false stuff.

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CUOMO: Here with us again, Ron Brownstein, Mark Preston, and joining us now, CNN national political reporter, Maeve Reston. Good seeing Maeve, gentlemen again.

Let's tee up what the significance of this interview is by how his main opponent has been handling Trump in recent days. Senator Ted Cruz was talking about what Trump could mean if he wins in Iowa. Listen to why he says the stakes are so high.

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CRUZ: If Donald wins Iowa, he right now has a substantial lead in New Hampshire. If he went on to win New Hampshire, as well, there's a very good chance he could be unstoppable and be our nominee.

Even if you're thinking about another candidate, the simple reality is there is only one campaign that can beat Trump in this state. And if conservatives simply stand up and unite, that's -- that's everything.

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CUOMO: Senator Ted Cruz argued before the U.S. Supreme Court on multiple occasions for a reason, a compelling case he puts together there for that audience.

MAEVE RESTON, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Right. And he -- this is clearly what he is trying to do in these final days is consolidate conservatives around him. He has done a good job of that, as to some extent in Iowa and now he is depending on his ground game to get things out.

But I think that Donald Trump's attacks clearly are weakening him. You know, that one-two punch of Cruz is a nasty guy, on top of the questions about birthright citizenship and so forth. And it's just -- you see people in the crowd, particularly within Trump's crowd, who are deciding between the two men, starting to have more and more questions about Cruz and whether he can really win a general election.

BROWNSTEIN: Cruz's analysis has the added benefit of being true. You know, first of all, in the modern primary era, there's only been one Republican candidate who won both Iowa and New Hampshire. That was a sitting president, Gerald Ford. He won them both narrowly over Ronald Reagan.

The reality is the Republican, I wrote in October, and I still believe the Republican race can be defined in two sentences. Donald Trump has consolidated the blue-collar wing to an incredible degree. He's at 47 percent in your new poll among Republicans without a college degree.

In a field this big, almost half of them are with one candidate. The white-collar wing of the party remains fragmented. Trump is only at 26 percent, so there's room. But no one is consolidating. And if Trump wins Iowa and prevents Cruz from consolidating evangelical support and then goes to New Hampshire, which is the place that it's predicted -- usually, take the kind of more centrist candidate and wins that, too. It will be difficult for anyone else. PRESTON: That is expected, too. Ted Cruz is speaking directly

to evangelicals. Right? I mean, that is what he is doing. And when -- by him saying, if we don't stop him here, he's going to go to New Hampshire. Guess what? Those New Hampshire Republicans are not like you; they're not like me. He is really making a hard push for those evangelicals.

And to Maeve's point, they've worked very hard now in Iowa to try to consolidate other people to join in. Rand Paul -- Rand Paul supporters that have come their way. He's trying to get the fiscal conservatives. But make no mistake about it, these are evangelicals who are his...

BROWNSTEIN: And -- and his key problem, as we talked about before, is that Trump's appeal to blue-collar Republicans crosses that religious boundary. You look at many of these other states: Georgia, South Carolina, even some of the Midwestern states like Ohio, the biggest single block in the Republican electorate of voters who are both evangelical and blue-collar.

And Trump is preventing Cruz from getting the numbers he needs among those voters and thus preventing him from getting the after advantage among evangelicals that he requires...

RESTON: They're even pulling even among evangelical voters in...

CUOMO: This goes to Ron's point that it's not just their faith they're voting on. Very often, people of a particular faith, that winds up coming with a basket of predilections.

All right. Now, is -- there's something to this, just smack it aside as you often like to do with me, Maeve. Senator Ted Cruz, in making that pitch, if he wins this one, then he's going to win that one. So even if you're for someone else, you have to remember what the implications are.

Doesn't he kind of sound like an establishment guy there? You know, saying, "Remember what we're trying to protect. This guy is going to come from the outside; he's going to ruin what's going on"? Doesn't that sound a little bit like a pitch that usually he would go after and attack?

RESTON: Yes. That's an excellent point. It doesn't sound very...

CUOMO: Wow. Hold on. I'm like 0 for 20 for you in accepting any credit.

RESTON: It doesn't sound very Cruz-like. And again, this is why Trump's attacks on him have been so effective in saying, you know, this guy can't lead. He doesn't get along with anyone.

So it will be really interesting to see. There's so much loathing for Ted Cruz in the Republican Party, whether he can actually consolidate the vote here. And he looks somewhat weak beyond Iowa. You know, he's not doing that great in some of the later states. [06:25:13] CUOMO: This was supposed to be his stepping stone.

RESTON: Yes.

CUOMO: This was supposed to be he wins in Iowa where, you know, the insiders said, well, you know, he did have some advantages. But it's momentum into the next one now it's compromise.

PRESTON: Right. And so here's the situation from Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz, if he comes out of here strong, if he doesn't win. Look, he very well might not win. The numbers continue to matter, no matter what Donald Trump says, the numbers continue to go up for Donald Trump.

Ted Cruz is strong here, though. He still has a fighting chance to take out Donald Trump. We're going to -- if he wins, New Hampshire now becomes a state that Donald Trump aren't going to win by a very large margin. He's probably still going to win by a smaller margin.

CUOMO: So you believe, Ron, that even if Senator Cruz comes in second, that this is a win for him. It puts him in a top echelon going into New Hampshire.

BROWNSTEIN: No, I don't. I don't. I think, look, the pathway has been, in the last several cycles, the winner of the evangelicals in Iowa, which is 60 percent of the voters, the evangelicals, wins the state. He comes, kind of gets the tape on the shoulder, becomes the favorite candidate of evangelicals; goes to the south and has that stronghold. That would be the option available.

And if he doesn't win here, I don't think that consolidation fully happens. He is not a candidate built for New Hampshire. In fact, what we see in New Hampshire is Trump with a lead, because everybody else is clumped together. And particularly, you have this muddle in the middle.

The big question for me is why so many established Republicans have been willing to take the risk of undercutting Cruz here in the final days and knowing that that gives a big advantage for Trump going forward. Perhaps they hope if Cruz gets out of the way, the consolidation in the center happens faster, but there's a risk it goes the other way.

PRESTON: It is worth noting, though, we're talking about winners and losers out of Iowa. I still think we have to look at the margin of victory. And if the margin of victory is still slim, slim, slim, the race is over.

CUOMO: Not over.

BROWNSTEIN: No, no.

CUOMO: Ron, Mark, Maeve, thank you very much.

John, back to you in New York.

BERMAN: Thanks, Chris.

A Texas grand jury turning the tables on two anti-abortion activists who made secret videos, trying to discredit Planned Parenthood. Surprising details, next.

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