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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have to be honest.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If you guys say -- ask one more mean question, I may have to leave the stage.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When you're treated badly, you have to stick up for your rights.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Ted, throughout this campaign, you've been willing to say or do anything in order to get votes.

SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I just don't think Marco can have it both ways.

MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Rick Santorum, Donald Trump and I may be competitors in a presidential race, but tonight we are colleagues in unison.

TRUMP: We wouldn't have even been here if it weren't for our vets. And our vets are being mistreated.

CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: She continues to lie to the American people. You see it's called the Clinton way.

DR. BEN CARSON (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need people who think out of the box and can solve problems.

TRUMP: Isn't that better than this debate that's going on? They're all sleeping.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CAMEROTA: Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to your NEW DAY. Donald Trump sitting out the final Republican debate before Monday's Iowa caucuses. His absence leaving the stage with more substance, a few dust-ups. So the candidates still -- did have some over immigration and authenticity.

CUOMO: Where was Trump? You know the answer to that. He spent his night taking his own stage just a few miles away. So who emerged the big winner? And what are the caucus goers thinking this morning, just three days before voting begins? We're going to speak with two presidential candidates, Mike Huckabee, who joined Donald Trump at his event, and Dr. Ben Carson. We have comprehensive coverage.

We start with John Berman live in Des Moines. He has the highlights of the debate. Give them to us.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Chris Cuomo, be careful what you wish for. That is the headline of this debate. Every candidate on this stage, I think, has imagined a world without Donald Trump. Last night they got a debate stage without Donald Trump. But let me show you the headline of "The Des Moines Register" this morning: "A Rough Night for Ted Cruz.

Without Trump there, a lot of the attention was focused on him. And the paper of record in this state, they don't think he handled it all that well.

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BERMAN (voice-over): For a debate stage absent of Donald Trump, it was hardly a debate absent of Donald Trump. From the very first question...

MEGYN KELLY, CNN ANCHOR: Before we get to the issues, let's address the elephant not in the room tonight.

BERMAN: ... to the very first joke...

CRUZ: Let me say, I'm a maniac, and everyone on this stage is stupid, fat, and ugly. And Ben, you're a terrible surgeon. Now that we've gotten the Donald Trump portion out of the way...

BERMAN: ... to a completely changed dynamic, where with no Trump lightning rod, other candidates had to dodge bullets.

CRUZ: I would note that the last four questions have been, "Rand, please attack Ted. Marco, please attack Ted. Chris, please attack Ted. Jeb, please attack Ted." Let me just say this...

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: It is a debate, sir.

CRUZ: No, no, a debate actually is a policy issue, but I will say this: Gosh, if you guys say -- ask one more mean question, I may have to leave the stage.

BERMAN: And some candidates got flat-out more attention. This was Rand Paul questioning Hillary Clinton's values relative to her husband's infidelities.

PAUL: I do think that her position as promoting women's rights and fairness to women in the workplace, that if what Bill Clinton did, any CEO in our country did with an intern, with a 22-year-old, 21-year-old intern in their office, they would be fired. They would never be hired again.

BERMAN: The most extraordinary moment of the night even came on an issue Donald Trump put front and center: immigration. It led to an all-out melee: Jeb Bush versus Marco Rubio.

BUSH: I'm kind of confused, because he was the sponsor of the Gang of Eight Bill that did -- did require a bunch of thresholds that ultimately allowed for citizenship over an extended period of time. I mean, that's a fact.

And he asked me to support that. And I -- I supported him, because I think people, when you're elected, you need to do things.

RUBIO: Interesting that Jeb mentions the book. That is the book where you changed your position on immigration, because you used to support a path to citizenship.

BUSH: So did you.

RUBIO: Well, but you changed it in the book.

BUSH: But so did you, Marco.

RUBIO: You wrote a book where you changed your position from -- no, you wrote a book where you changed your position from a path to citizenship to a path of legalization.

BERMAN: Rand Paul versus Ted Cruz.

PAUL: I was there, and I saw the debate. I saw Ted Cruz say, "We'll take citizenship off the table, and then the bill will pass. And I'm for the bill. But it's a falseness. And that's an authenticity problem, that everybody he knows is not as perfect as him, because we're all for amnesty.

BERMAN: Ted Cruz versus Marco Rubio.

CRUZ: You know, John Adams famously said facts are stubborn things. The facts are very, very simple. When that battle was waged, my friend Senator Rubio chose to stand with Barack Obama and Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer and support amnesty. And I stood alongside Jeff Sessions and Steve King, and we led the fight against amnesty.

RUBIO: This is the lie that Ted's campaign is built on, and Rand touched upon it. That he's the most conservative guy, and everyone else is a -- you know, everyone else is a RINO. The truth is, Ted, throughout this campaign, you've been willing to say or do anything in order to get votes.

[07:05:17] BERMAN: Chris Christie versus everyone.

CHRISTIE: I feel like I need -- I feel like I need a Washington- English dictionary converter.

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BERMAN: Particularly on the issue of immigration there it was going in all directions. The one person not hit in that exchange was Donald Trump. And I think one of the most interesting questions this morning and heading into the weekend IS, what does Donald Trump do for the next debate? There's a Republican debate next week in New Hampshire. Does he go to that one -- Chris?

CUOMO: That's a good question. I think I will steal it. Thank you, J.B. So as his rivals debated whether compromising on immigration is

basically political treason in the GOP, Donald Trump held a rally just a few miles away, raising money for veterans, two of his competitors, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, even joining the party.

CNN senior political correspondent, Brianna Keilar, spoke with Trump before the rally. She's live at Des Moines, as well. How did the interview go and what was the plus/minus on the night?

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning to you, Chris.

Well, Ted Cruz definitely took some incoming fire from the Republican field there at the debate. He also took it from someplace, maybe he wouldn't have expected just a few days ago on Donald Trump's plane sitting on the tarmac of the Des Moines airport.

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KEILAR (voice-over): Inside a packed auditorium at Drake University in Des Moines.

TRUMP: Look at all the cameras, like the Academy Awards. This is like the Academy Awards.

KEILAR: Donald Trump boasting about the big turnout for his veterans' event and the millions of dollars he says he raised.

TRUMP: This is a special night for me, and I had no idea this was going to happen. We started out literally 24 hours ago, maybe less. We had no idea, and we went out. We set up the website. I called some friends. And we just cracked. The sign was just given -- we just cracked $6 million, right, $6 million.

KEILAR: Just a few miles away, GOP candidates onstage squaring off at FOX's primetime debate, with Trump out of sight but not out of mind.

BUSH: I kind of miss Donald Trump. He was a little teddy bear to me.

KEILAR: The businessman with FOX on the brain, too, addressing the feud before the crowd.

TRUMP: When you treat it badly, you have to stick up for your rights. FOX has been extremely nice and -- the last number of hours, actually. And they've wanted me there. And they said, "How about now? They called a few minutes ago. How about now? Can you come over?"

I said, "Hasn't it already started?"

KEILAR: And just hours before his event, in an interview on his plane, he told me....

TRUMP: By the time they apologized, I said, "Look, the problem is we now have a big event scheduled."

KEILAR: They, on the phone, apologized? Is that what the phone call was about? TRUMP: Yes. And they could not have been nicer.

KEILAR: Trump largely holding back jabs at the debating candidates. Instead, touting his own poll numbers and speaking about the problems veterans face.

TRUMP: Our vets are being mistreated. Illegal immigrants are treated better in many cases than our vets. And it's not going to happen anymore. Not going to happen anymore.

KEILAR: Earlier that night, Trump knocking his biggest rival, Senator Ted Cruz.

(on camera): Ted Cruz has been -- he, not just Ted Cruz, but also those who support him have been hammering you when it comes to your previous views on late-term abortion.

TRUMP: Well, I'm hammering him on his views where he was born. And he's weak, by the way, he's very weak on illegal immigration.

KEILAR: You said to my colleague just recently, Dana Bash, you said, "I don't want to talk about that" when you were asked about your previous support for late-term abortion.

TRUMP: He did a big commercial. He said I ripped down a person's house.

KEILAR: But what does that have to do with...?

TRUMP: It has a lot to do with it.

KEILAR: ... you wanting to talk about this issue of late-term abortion?

TRUMP: Excuse me. It has a lot to do with it. Because he's very dishonest in what he's doing.

KEILAR (voice-over): Two other rivals, Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee, actually showed up at Trump's event.

SANTORUM: Not to be offensive, I'll stand a little bit over here so I'm not photographed with the Trump sign.

KEILAR: The two former Iowa caucus winners standing alongside the current frontrunner.

HUCKABEE: Rick Santorum, Donald Trump and I might be competitors in a presidential race. But tonight we are colleagues in unison, standing here for the people who let us breathe every breath of free air we breathe, the veterans of the United States of America.

KEILAR: Trump's competing event was meant for veterans, but it's playing out amid an all-out war for the attention of voters and viewers.

TRUMP: Isn't that better than this debate that's going on where they're sleeping? Right? They're all sleeping. They're all sleeping. Everybody.

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KEILAR: And you could see there were some issues there, Alisyn, that Donald Trump did not want to talk about. Late-term abortion, his support for it that he voiced as recently as 1999. He said that he supports abortion, basically, all the way. He said he hates abortion, but he is pro-choice.

[07:10:14] He now, of course, says that he is pro-life. Also the issue of immigration, something he really did not want to talk about, as well instead, hitting back on Ted Cruz on really unrelated issues than the ones that I was asking him about.

CAMEROTA: Yes, we heard that. There were a few issues that are important to voters that he didn't seem to want to talk about, Brianna. Thanks so much for bringing us that.

Well, the newspaper of record in Iowa declaring that it was a, quote, rough night for Ted Cruz. How will that affect him three days before the caucuses?

Let's bring in Republican Congressman Steve King from Iowa. He endorsed Ted Cruz for president and serves as his campaign's national co-chair.

Congressman, thanks so much for being here.

REP. STEVE KING (R), IOWA: Good morning, and thanks a lot for having me on on this nice, brisk morning here.

CAMEROTA: Where is your coat, sir? All right. All right. Let's talk...

KING: I'll put it on when I need it, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: I know. You guys, you Iowans, I've seen this in action. You're so hardy you refuse to even wear your coats. Let's talk about "The Des Moines Register" front page, "Rough Night for Ted Cruz." Basically, they are saying that he became a punching bag for everyone else. In the absence of Donald Trump, people were able to go after him for his sometimes shifting positions. What do you think about that?

KING: Well, I actually -- I had predicted in some of the interviews yesterday before the debate that all guns would be aimed at Ted Cruz. It is a -- it is a game of political king of the hill. And it was clear that Ted Cruz is on top of the hill. But everybody didn't turn their guns on Ted Cruz. A few did. And I noticed that Chris Christie declined that opportunity on at least one occasion.

So I was surprised. It was news to me when I saw the headline in "The Des Moines Register." Not the first time that's happened, though, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Well, Marco Rubio and Rand Paul both went after Ted Cruz for what they say is his shifting position on amnesty for illegal immigrants. So listen to this moment.

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PAUL: What is particularly insulting, though, is that he is the king of saying, "Oh, you're for amnesty." Everybody is for amnesty except for Ted Cruz. But it's a falseness, and that's an authenticity problem. That everybody he knows is not as perfect as him, because we're all for amnesty. This is the lie that Ted's campaign is built on and Rand touched upon it. Everyone else is a rhino. The truth is, Ted, throughout this campaign you have been willing to say or do anything to get votes.

Ted, you worked for George W. Bush's campaign. In the committee you said I want to bring people out of the shadows. Now you want to trump Trump on immigration.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: What about that, Congressman? Wasn't Ted Cruz at one time for a path towards legalization?

KING: No. no. I don't -- I'm listening to this dialogue here and I'm wondering how Marco Rubio is going from a strong rule of law, border security candidate for the United States Senate to the leader of the Gang of Eight Bill. And I've watched as Ted Cruz has can come in to congress at the same time as Marco Rubio, and I've seen Ted Cruz step up every time and stand on the right square on the amnesty issue.

It's funny also that I remember listening carefully to some speeches of Rand Paul on immigration, wanting and pleading internally that he could at least say I don't want to legalize people that are in America illegally. It always couches. It always was couched. It always was calculated. It never was definitive. But that was a poison pill amendment.

I've argued that before, and in a way you're trying to tease the Democrats on the other side, your opposition, into voting for your amendment. That's what Ted Cruz was doing. He was dangling information out there, saying, "I want this bill to pass. If you vote for my amendment, the bill will pass." And he's just giving them bait so they'll take the bait. Of course, they didn't.

CAMEROTA: Yes, I understand that that's what he says now. But when you listen to his words at that time where he was making the case, it didn't sound like a poison pill. It didn't sound like he was doing it with irony. He said, "I really want this to pass." They need to come out of the shadows.

KING: But I have made these kind of debates in the past, myself on that issue and different issues. I know what the tone of that is like. You have to -- you have to turn it up in that fashion and make it sound as genuine as possible. That's the temptation.

How do they argue against that? Then they have to go back and say, well, you know, you don't really want this bill to pass. They didn't do that. They didn't challenge him on that. And Ted Cruz has been -- his record has been clearer. And by the way,

you know the immigration policy is signed off by myself and Jeff Sessions. Jeff Sessions voted with Ted Cruz every time. So Chet Astley (ph). So did Mike Lee. I think that says where things were on that. And I had no concern back then about that amendment being offered when I was watching this drama in the judiciary committee of the United States Senate.

CAMEROTA: As you know, there's another issue that may hurt Ted Cruz. That's what's going on with ethanol. Your governor, Governor Terry Branstad, has said that he believes that Ted Cruz should be defeated and that he would be very damaging to Iowa. What does your governor know about Ted Cruz that you don't feel?

[07:15:11] KING: Nothing. There's a lot of things that he has said that don't hold up. And a lot of that that doesn't hold out has been pushed out by his son, who has been well-paid since November to make allegations against Ted Cruz, to misrepresent Ted Cruz -- Ted Cruz's record on ethanol. And at a certain point they understood that, in Cruz's bill that phases down the renewable fuels standard. They acted like that was a surprise, that they had just learned that. He had filed that March 27, 2013, 2014, and so there have been a lot of misrepresenting this going on. They dug in. They raised money in the summertime. They dug in.

Once they decided to deliver their negative message, they changed their flyer and they moved candidates around and only left Rand Paul down on the bottom of the list of the bad category. Moved the people that were in the "needs work" category up to the good on ethanol and turned all their targets on Ted Cruz.

That looks to me like that was set up to attack Ted Cruz in the first place. And by the way, a lot of this benefits Donald Trump, just like the governor did. A de facto endorsement of Donald Trump by attacking Ted Cruz.

CAMEROTA: In our last few seconds, Congressman, what did you think of Donald Trump skipping the debate?

KING: Well, actually, I thought of Michele Bachmann skipping the debate that Donald Trump moderated four years ago and what Donald Trump thought of that, which was he claimed that that was one of the reasons she didn't do well here in the caucus four years ago.

And so I think Iowans, with high -- with high undecided rates, maybe in the 40 percent or so category, were waiting for the debate between Cruz and Trump. They wanted to make their decisions. They didn't get to see that confrontation between the two. And I think that's going to help Ted Cruz. And I think it will help him a lot on Monday night.

CAMEROTA: OK. It will be interesting to see what happens on Monday. We'll see you out there, Congressman Steve King. Thanks so much for being on NEW DAY.

KING: Thanks, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Let's get over to Chris.

KING: Appreciate it.

CUOMO: He is Iowa strong. Boy, did you see that? There wasn't even any smoke can coming out of his mouth, and it's freezing there.

We have a quick programming note. Despite what I just said, we're taking NEW DAY on the road for the Iowa caucuses. We're going to live the hashtag "Go there" motto of CNN. We're going to be at the Mars Cafe in Des Moines. If you're anywhere in that area, you know this place really well. It's awesome. CNN is going to have live coverage of the Iowa caucuses all day Monday.

CAMEROTA: And then on Tuesday, after the caucuses, we'll be live from Manchester, New Hampshire. You can stop by to see us at Waterworks Cafe as the race moves to the Granite State.

CUOMO: I'm going to have my fill of pancakes. One of the best parts of primary season.

All right.

So during Donald Trump's rally he was joined by two previous Iowa caucus winners, Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee. Huckabee joins us live next.

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[07:21:48] HUCKABEE: Thank you, Donald Trump, for asking Rick Santorum and me. And I think he would have let any of the other candidates come. And for reasons that maybe I don't understand, they're not here. Some of them because they have a slot at 8 p.m. I have nothing to do at 8 p.m. tonight. This worked great for me.

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CUOMO: A good line there from Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee at Donald Trump's veterans benefit last night in Iowa after his undercard performance last night in the debate. He was joined by fellow rival, Rick Santorum.

Now what makes their appearance even more interesting is that Huckabee won the Iowa caucus in 2008. Santorum won it in Iowa just four years ago. So Trump was flanked by Iowa caucus winners last night.

We do have former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee with us this morning.

Gov, good to have you with us. I must say Steve King stood where you are right now, he had no jacket on, and there was no frost coming out of his mouth. Is he not human, sir?

HUCKABEE: I don't know what he is. But I know it's 25 degrees here. I'm wearing a coat, my friend. I'm not coming out here and freezing to death on your terrace.

CUOMO: You are a smart man. There is no question about that.

So I wanted to understand something about the event last night. You went; it was gracious of you to go. You said it was nice of Donald Trump to ask you and Rick Santorum to come.

Trump had tweeted this. I just want to -- I want your take on it. "Candidates called. They said they wanted to come to the event last night at Drake University."

Did you have to ask for permission from Trump, or did he ask you and tell you about the event?

HUCKABEE: Some of our campaign people had been already in discussion when they heard he was not going to be at the debate and was going to do a veterans event. Honestly, I couldn't tell you who contacted who first. But we were invited. We accepted the invitation. We were delighted to be there.

It was a great opportunity to stand up for veterans of America, many of whom are getting gut-punched every day by a system that does not give them what they not only deserve but what they desperately need. And none of us want to see veterans end up with a suicide rate of 22 a day, which is just disgraceful in this country.

CUOMO: Do you understand the skepticism of some of the vets group saying don't use us as part of politics. Give us real policy reform. But don't use us this way. Do you understand that skepticism?

HUCKABEE: No, not really. Because last night over $6 million was raised for veterans groups, $6 million going toward helping these very people the government should be helping.

You know, the truth is there shouldn't have to be any outside veteran groups to help veterans. There shouldn't be any. That's a responsibility of the United States of America. They should be getting the first fruits of our treasury. Everybody else ought to wait in line until the veterans get served and then everyone else lines up behind them. That's not how it's working right now, Chris.

We've got people waiting three months, six months to get treated. Many of these folks are coming back. Some of the wounds are not visible. Some of the wounds are deep within their soul. And PTS is a very serious issue that's facing so many of these heroes who are coming home.

And one of the most powerful moments of the evening was when John Wayne Walding (ph), who is a Green Beret, lost his leg in combat, and he spoke eloquently and brilliantly about how two words changed the veterans' life. The simple words, "Thank you." And so last night I stood on that stage to join other people -- it wasn't a political event -- but to say to those veterans, "Thank you."

[07:25:17] CUOMO: Understood. And you also know that the need is very great, as you just articulated. And the veterans' groups and the rest of the voters will be very anxious about how candidates are going to actually help them. Because everybody's emotions and sentiments are clear. So what did you make of Trump's decision to be on the stage last night.

You did your duty to the process. You went there last night, acquitted yourself well, I might add. Trump chose not to, because he doesn't like FOX News right now. Is that the right thing to do?

HUCKABEE: You know, that's a decision he had to make. I showed up. I don't have a beef with FOX News. I worked there six and a half years. They don't treat me any --any way special, because I was there. Sometimes I feel like they go out of their way to make sure that it doesn't look like I'm getting special treatment.

But I love those guys. They're good friends. I wasn't going to not show up at my debate. But as I said, I had nothing going on at 8 p.m. I offered, by the way, Chris, I offered to take his podium last night, which I think they should have let me do. Very generous. Unfortunately, that didn't go over so well. And so I went to Donald Trump's veterans' event last night.

CUOMO: Very generous. And we do know that they did have an extra podium there last night, just in case. That, of course, is -- Trump said they called and apologized. They put out a statement saying he asked for money for the veterans in order to go first. They couldn't do a quid pro quo. Let's leave that to the side.

Something that happened at 7 but much more so at 8 last night in the debate was the idea of the immigration. Help us understand something, Governor. The idea that, if you changed your position on immigration to move towards what seems like what might be a more doable compromise, this is political perfidy. You can't be trusted, to paraphrase one of the questioners last night.

Is that fair that, if you try to do something, to get something done on immigration, as opposed to just holding one hard line, you can't be trusted?

HUCKABEE: No. I don't think trust is over whether a person has what I would call a changing understanding of an issue that itself may change. It depends on have we secured the border. What process do we have in place for the people who are here? Are we going to give them amnesty? I don't think anybody's for amnesty. I think trust comes into question when that person starts changing their views, override images, and they do it for political expediency.

They don't do it with any explanation of convention. Or when people change their views, depending on the geography of where they happen to be. If they say one thing in Manhattan and another thing in Marshalltown, Iowa, that's when you start wondering about whether you can trust them.

So if a person six years ago or ten years ago had some comment, and now he sees things maybe differently, not dramatically differently. I don't think you can be this person who has, you know, 180 degree turn. And if you do, you've got to explain it. But when a person changes views, time after time, it is always moving with the political wind bank.

When a person is a thermometer instead of a thermostat, that person's not a leader. And no, you can't trust them.

CUOMO: Who are you talking about right now? You talking about Trump, Rubio or Cruz? Who falls into that category most, in your opinion?

HUCKABEE: Well, of the three, look, Ted Cruz has changed his position on ethanol, immigration, H-1V visas. He's changed it on whether marriage is a state or a federal issue. He's changed it on whether or not he's going to be a real champion for religious liberty, on whether that's going to be, way down the road, it's not important.

So you know, I think it's pretty clear that, while Ted Cruz has questioned the integrity of a lot of different candidates on the stage, you know, if you look at how many different things, including trade -- he wrote an op-ed for "The Wall Street Journal," saying it was the greatest thing since toothpaste. Then he came out when the political wind shifted. They said he was against it.

So you know, when you talk about trust, it's a matter of consistency in beliefs. You don't change him geographically. Chris, if I go onto Bill Maher's show, which I've done many times, and I like Bill, believe it or not, or I've done "The Daily Show" with Jon Stewart when it was still on, or Stephen Colbert, I've said the same things about the sanctity of life that I would say at a right to life rally.

So you know, nobody's going to find me going and soft-selling it there, taking a different position elsewhere. That's the kind of consistency I think voters look for.

CUOMO: Colbert gave you an ice cream flavor of Life Begins at Confection, which was very funny but also true to your position and your conviction, for sure.

HUCKABEE: It is true to my position, absolutely.

CUOMO: Governor Huckabee, thank you very much for sucking it up in the cold. Appreciate it. I know what it's like out there. Come to the Mars Cafe on Monday. NEW DAY is going to be out there. I owe you breakfast. Thank you, sir.

HUCKABEE: I'll take you up on it, Chris. Thank you.

CUOMO: All right. You take care.

Now in our next hour, we're going to have another presidential candidate, Dr. Ben Carson, joining us live -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: You're going to be buying a lot of breakfasts.

CUOMO: I'm telling you, you already said so.

CAMEROTA: All right. So Donald Trump absent, which candidate stood out the most? We'll debate the big winners and losers next.