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Trump, Cruz Battle for First in Iowa; Democratic Race Too Close to Call in Iowa. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired February 01, 2016 - 06:00   ET

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We want to make America great again. That's what we want to do.

[05:58:17] HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I hope you all fight for me. I will fight for you in the White House.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We will defeat Hillary Clinton.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Join the political revolution!

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I will unite the conservative movement.

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You need to have a president who knows what he's talking about.

TRUMP (via phone): Ted Cruz is a total liar.

RUBIO: I think as more people learn about his record, they'll realize what he really is, is very calculated.

BUSH: Shame on Donald Trump.

SANDERS: The email situation, this is a very serious issue.

CLINTON: This is very much like Benghazi. It's pretty clear they're grasping at straws.

TRUMP: We're going to have a winner. You better believe it.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: The Mars Cafe. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. This is NEW DAY. It is Monday, February 1. Mick is in New York. Alisyn and I are coming to you live from Des Moines, Iowa.

Show then the headline, my friend. Where is it: "Caucus." That's the headline word. We were supposed to have it orchestrated.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Well, I know. And it has an exclamation point.

CUOMO: There it is.

CAMEROTA: "Caucus!"

CUOMO: One word says it all. Sixteen hundred and eighty-one precincts to canvas. A massive ground game going on right now in the most unpredictable presidential race we've ever witnessed to this point. Now, the hype is over. The question is: who makes history tonight?

CAMEROTA: So candidates making their final push across Iowa's 99 counties before the caucuses, which get under way 14 hours from now. Turnout tonight, of course, will be the key, because this race is razor thin on both sides.

Can Donald Trump show his strong showing in the polls into actual caucus goers? Can Hillary Clinton fend off Bernie Sanders? We will speak with Secretary Clinton in our next hour.

But first we have the Iowa caucuses covered the way only CNN can. Let's begin with Sunlen Serfaty. She has a look at the Republican field.

Hi, Sunlen.

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Alisyn.

Well, this is very much a race for first here in Iowa, between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz. They are so close in the latest polls.

But equally as important to watch tonight is the battle for third. If Marco Rubio is able to close the gap and make a strong showing, that can go a long way to alter this race and change the dynamic going forward.

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TRUMP: You haven't had a winner in Iowa in 16 years. We're going to have a winner; you better believe it.

SERFATY (voice-over): Republicans in Iowa are waking up to the final pitches from 12 GOP hopefuls.

CRUZ: I want to ask everyone here to vote for me 10 times.

SERFATY: The presidential candidates in red spreading across the Hawk Eye State, arming themselves with pointed criticism and humor.

CRUZ: Next cycle, I think Lady Gaga is running.

SERFATY: Donald Trump is only five points head of Senator Ted Cruz in the most recent "Des Moines Register" poll. And the front- runner is feeling the heat.

TRUMP: He wants to pretend he's Robin Hood. He's going to protect everybody from Wall Street.

SERFATY: Continuing to suggest Cruz has it in with big banks.

TRUMP: He forgot to mention that he's borrowed a lot of money at almost no interest from Goldman Sachs and from Citibank.

SERFATY: And may not even be eligible for the presidency.

TRUMP: If you become the candidate, it's possible he can't even run, according to a lot of people.

SERFATY: Cruz rolling out conservative celebrities to strike back.

PHIL ROBERTSON, STAR OF REALITY TV SHOW "DUCK DYNASTY": All you ladies, that would be a duck call.

SERFATY: From "Duck Dynasty" star Phil Robertson.

ROBERTSON: Let's try one more time to get Trump. Let's call Donald Duck to come meet with Cruz and debate.

SERFATY: To radio host Glenn Beck, begging Iowans not to vote for Trump.

GLENN BECK, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: For my children's sake, please, dear God, if you're thinking about it, go to the bar tomorrow instead.

SERFATY: With so many other candidates polling in the single digits, there's still a large percentage of Iowa voters who, if swayed, could turn the tide for one of the front-runners.

RUBIO: We cannot win if we are divided.

SERFATY: Still, no candidate is giving up hope.

BUSH: I believe I'm going to win the nomination.

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SERFATY: And these final moments, the candidates will be out in full force, making final pitches to voters. Donald Trump will visit a few caucus sites. Ted Cruz plans to rally evangelicals at church.

Chris, where they're focusing these last pitches in the final hours really speaks volumes at where they both need the vote -- Chris.

CUOMO: Absolutely. They know where their strengths and weaknesses are across the street. Sunlen, thank you very much.

Let's discuss. We have some panel for you this morning. David Gregory is with us. You remember him from "Meet the Press" and as chief White House correspondent for NBC News. He's also the author, "How is Your Faith," an appropriate proposition for what we're dealing with in Iowa. We also have CNN national political reporter Maeve Reston; and CNN political commentator and author of "Too Dumb to Fail," Matt Lewis.

Brother Gregory, it is good to have you with us.

DAVID GREGORY, AUTHOR, "HOW IS YOUR FAITH?": Thank you.

CUOMO: Let me start with you. So we have the headline this morning, which Alisyn refused to show earlier on. Says "Caucus."

CAMEROTA: No problem.

CUOMO: Jeb Bush finally found a way to be first. Alphabetical order puts Jeb first in the lineup.

When we look at these last-ditch efforts, you know the ground game here very well. You always say it's important. Why this year are all the big brains saying it is even more important than we've seen in the past?

GREGORY: Well, for one thing, we have the real prospect of Donald Trump completely blowing up the political equation here. And so turnout becomes important, because it will tell us whether he has changed the electorate. I mean, that's the real prospect. Can he bring out new voters who haven't voted before? His team is putting a huge emphasis at his rallies on teaching people exactly how to caucus.

So there's a prospect of new people coming out. And if you're Ted Cruz, you don't have a lot of momentum. You've got a rough couple of weeks. You have really got to outperform. And your base, that evangelical base. You look at that "Des Moines Register" Poll, here is what is shocking. I mean, Cruz, who has run a good, ideological hit campaign on Trump, relying on Christian conservatives, is splitting that evangelical vote with Donald Trump. So it really says something about the strength that Trump has, that it's confounding everybody.

CAMEROTA: Maeve, I was boning up on my caucus knowledge last night, and was surprised to learn that tonight there will be 3,362 individual caucuses held. So despite the polls, that suggests there can be surprises ahead.

MAEVE RESTON, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: There absolutely can. And I think to David's point, particularly on the Republican side, whether these Trump voters turn out, whether Ted Cruz's ground game really pumps out the people that they've been talking to over the last couple of days, can be so key.

And of course for Bernie Sanders, to see whether or not, you know, his people turn out, particularly the college-age students, to -- you know, to replicate the Obama coalition.

[06:05:06] So there are lots of opportunities for surprises. Who knows what Donald Trump might do today, his final stunt to get voters out. So -- so I think we'll have to watch and see.

CUOMO: All right. So let's put these questions that we're getting from David and Maeve through the lens of how it gets interpreted within your party, Matt. When we're talking about these people on the edges of each party may make a bigger impact than usual, what is the dynamic it played on the Republican side here?

MATT LEWIS, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I think really in a sense we're playing over the future of what the Republican Party brand is right now, and you know, what happens in Iowa is going to set a tone.

And you know, on one hand, you have Donald Trump. And I think if Trump ends up winning, you have a party that is more working-class, white, you know, sort of doubling down on the Republican base and the Reagan Democrats Trump is bringing in. On the other hand, I think it's someone...

CUOMO: Is that fair? By the way, do we all agree with that term? Do we think that Trump is bringing in Reagan Democrats?

RESTON: I think we're going to have to wait and see until...

CUOMO: I mean, we'll all see today. Right? Because I mean, obviously, they're going to be in the party, but why do you say that? We keep hearing that. Why would Trump motivate Reagan Democrats?

LEWIS: Well, look, if you look at -- if you believe the polls -- and by the way, let me say, I think we're probably -- something is going to surprise us tonight. That's the one thing that almost always happens. Who thought Rick Santorum was going to win the Iowa caucuses last name? Who thought Hillary Clinton was going to win New Hampshire in 2008?

And we're usually surprised, so I expect something to surprise us.

But if you look at the polling in the cross tabs, Trump supporters are more moderate, more liberal, less religious by and large than the rest of the Republican electorate. So Trump has a potential to expand that base, but it's in a direction that Republicans don't necessarily strategically want to go. I mean, if you look at the autopsy, they wanted to bring in, you know, women, Hispanics, more urban, cosmopolitan voters. This would be the other direction.

CAMEROTA: How do you think these high-profile surrogates, endorsements like Sarah Palin, like Glenn Beck, have played here in Iowa?

CUOMO: And Falwell.

GREGORY: You know, I think Falwell is probably the most important, because Trump has taken advantage. This is not a deeply religious guy. But he's basically sent a message to evangelical voters, saying, "Look, you may feel left out. You may feel left behind in this political debate, but I get you. I may not be religious like you. I may not be able to quote scripture like you in a way that please, but if you feel the culture is passing you by and that your values are no longer valued in this country, I'm here to tell you that I will value you again." And I think that message, that bluntness, has been surprisingly strong.

LEWIS: Along with a couple of these endorsements.

RESTON: It was so important this weekend, I was in Davenport with Trump and Falwell on Saturday night. And not only did Trump say, you know, that he was a faithful man, et cetera, but Falwell talked about how his own father made his decision to endorse Ronald Reagan, a Hollywood actor who had been divorced. And he said that, you know, his father decided that he wasn't looking for, you know, the Sunday school teacher in the race. He was looking for the person who could be the best president. And it was just kind of an amazing endorsement of Trump in front of all of these people who really aren't sure or are agonizing over this decision, because they know that their head is with Ted Cruz, but their heart is with Donald Trump.

CUOMO: You also gave him a couple of good blows, Trump to Cruz. You hit him on the eligibility, which raised the question. Even their internal polls have it at a quarter in the Cruz camp, a quarter of the people say, "Well, this is something I have to think about." That margin matters here. And then the loans from Goldman Sachs weren't helpful either when they wound up being true, which is the worst type of attack to get hit with, is one that's actually true.

LEWIS: I've been picking Ted Cruz to win Iowa for a long time. I'm going to stick with that. I'm going to stick with that pick, because I think Cruz has, I think, a great ground operation. I think he's tailor-made for Iowa in terms of biography. And I think he has run a textbook campaign of everything we know about how you win Iowa.

Having said that, Cruz seems like he might have peaked a few weeks too early. And I think that Donald Trump has been very -- almost surgical in going in and raising doubts about Ted Cruz.

You know, the whole thing about his eligibility, that's not a constitutional debate. That's about reminding us he's from Canada. He's other than us. He's other.

CUOMO: Right.

LEWIS: The other thing that you mentioned about Goldman Sachs. I mean, the other thing that you mentioned about Goldman Sachs. I mean, how many people know that Ted Cruz's wife is a Goldman Sachs executive and that he got a million-dollar loan. That doesn't sound like a lot of average Iowans probably.

RESTON: Not just that. It's a likability factor, too. I mean, it was amazing getting out with Cruz yesterday. Every single surrogate that gets u- there, before he gets onstage, particularly Cruz, talks about how likable he is. You know, cutting straight to those Trump attacks, trying to blunt them, knowing that they have really inflicted some damage over the last couple of weeks. GREGORY: You know, the thing that Trump does is that he takes

your weakness and really exploits it. You know, Jeb being low-energy really hit him where it hurt and where people got it.

And with Ted Cruz, he's a nasty guy. I mean, that is Cruz's reputation for anybody who's ever worked with him and in the Senate. And Trump really knows how to zero in on that.

I think the other thing for Cruz, look, if you're Ted Cruz, if you can't win Iowa with a strong, ideological hit on Trump, relying on evangelical voters who are the disproportionate amount of voters here, compared to their place in the population in Iowa, I want to make the argument that maybe he becomes irrelevant moving forward.

LEWIS: That's why Marco Rubio, with a strong third-place finish, is much more important.

GREGORY: And here's the other thing for Cruz. If you think about who won here the last couple goes, Huckabee, Santorum, they're not doing much here. But maybe they have 5 percent in the polls. I'm also surprised that it's snowing inside the building.

CUOMO: I wish it were snow. Let's take a quick break and be sure that we're not being taken down from above.

GREGORY: My point is, even if they don't have too much support, those two, 5 percent, that's the spread between Cruz and Trump right now. Where does that vote go?

CAMEROTA: Stick around. We'll rely on you throughout the morning.

CUOMO: All right. In the 8 a.m. hour, we're going to talk to a Republican presidential candidate. We're going to have a real player for us, Senator Rand Paul. We'll see what he's doing, speaking of spoilers. He could factor in, even if he doesn't finish in the top.

CAMEROTA: OK, so the Democratic race also too close to call in Iowa. So we will be exploring that. Bernie Sanders trying to persuade voters here in the Hawk Eye State to start a political revolution. Hillary Clinton making the case that she's simply more electable. Whose message is resonating most? We'll explore that. We'll be right back.

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[06:15:37] CUOMO: We are live in Des Moines, Iowa. The Democratic field starting to really close ranks. Now, this is the last push. Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, and, yes, Governor O'Malley. But this is really a two-person race for a final push for votes in Iowa. O'Malley, of course, could be a big spoiler here, based on some of the rules. What will his caucus results be?

We have to follow all of this late into the night as it goes on here. We have a great top panel to discuss. And we have full coverage. CNN senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny joins us with the state of play -- Jeff.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris.

You could feel the energy and that anticipation at those rallies that went on into the night. Hillary Clinton is closing this campaign very strong. Most top Democrats here believe she has a slight advantage going into the evening. But Bernie Sanders last night urged his supporters to start fighting the establishment right here in Iowa.

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CLINTON: And I think we can have...

ZELENY (voice-over): A furious fight to the finish.

CLINTON: I will fight for you in the White House.

SANDERS: It sounds you want to make a political revolution.

ZELENY: Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders circling Iowa one last time. The closing stretch is all about campaign mechanics.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are just calling to make sure we have your support.

CLINTON: Let's start a storm of movement toward the future that we want to make together.

ZELENY: It's the Super Bowl of politics. But the season isn't over. It's just beginning. The test of campaign organization will set the tone for the rest of the 2016 race.

Sanders announced a Sunday bombshell. He raised $20 million in January, an average donation of $27. Big crowds throwing their support behind their candidate.

SANDERS: Never in a million years would I have thought this possible.

ZELENY: Soaring crowds for Clinton, too. Even as the State Department e-mail investigation hangs over the campaign.

CLINTON: This is very much like Benghazi. Republicans are going to continue to use it to beat up on me. I understand that.

ZELENY: The race could be decided by one key demographic: women voters. Sanders holds a large lead among women under 45. Clinton has the same edge among women over 45.

Amy Geider (ph) supporter Clinton eight years ago in Iowa. Now, she's leaning Sanders.

(on camera): So do you think she would be disappointed to hear that? I mean, someone who caucused for her eight years ago is now unsure if -- if they're going to caucus for her this time. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, yes, she'd probably be disappointed.

I mean, I would be.

ZELENY (voice-over): But Marcel Nicola (ph) says it's time to shatter that glass ceiling.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's history in the making, and I hope we're part of it.

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ZELENY: So the question, of course, is turnout tonight. If this is more like a traditional caucus, about 140,000 people or so turning out, that benefits the Clinton campaign. But if it is much more than that, if we see new people lining up to vote tonight, that is a good night for Bernie Sanders.

And the snowstorm coming also a question here. But both sides watching the weather. They believe it will happen after those caucuses begin at 7 p.m. tonight here in Iowa -- Alisyn and Chris.

CAMEROTA: OK, Jeff, thanks so much.

Here again with us, our panel: David Gregory, Maeve Reston and Matt Lewis.

Maeve, let me start with you. Let's talk about the women supporters for Hillary, as Jeff was just talking about. So older women lean towards her. Younger women, not so much is what we're hearing.

You know, Gail Sheehy has this long piece in "The New York Times" yesterday about something called Clinton fatigue. And that even women in the past who have supported her, somehow this time around are just feeling tired by this campaign.

RESTON: There are a lot of these women out there. And I've met a lot of them on the campaign trail. And so often they actually have not shown up in the polls.

But I remember talking to a woman in New Hampshire, you know, late last year who said, "I'm just ready for -- I just want to say to her, just let someone else run the world for a while." You know, that kind of fatigue, the feeling that she's been in Washington for too long, that she's a creature of the establishment.

Whoever expected that Bernie Sanders would be able to generate this kind of excitement and enthusiasm? And she took a long time to try to start cutting into that. With Bill Clinton in Iowa this week. And he, over and over again, was using the same phrase, that she's a proven change maker, a different change agent. Just 45 different ways to say that phrase, trying to drive home that she can, you know, bring about...

CAMEROTA: A kind of revolution.

RESTON: Right.

[06:20:05] CUOMO: Gender matters. Energy is looking to matter more right now.

RESTON: Yes.

CUOMO: And if you just compare the smoke: Bernie Sanders, "Revolution." And Hillary, "Electable."

RESTON: Right.

CUOMO: On the street enthusiasm output, you're going to wind up coming from behind, which is what Hillary's doing on that level.

Let me ask you this. We saw an eerily similar dynamic to what Maeve is describing right now in 2008.

MATTINGLY: Yes.

CUOMO: What do you see as any distinguishing characteristics of what Hillary was saying and doing then, versus now?

GREGORY: Well, I don't think there is -- there is a lot of difference. I mean, you know, she's making the argument that she can get things done: "I'm electable. I can actually make change happen." She's not a revolutionary. And people aren't going to fall in love with her in that same way, a way that certainly they did with Obama in 2008.

And in a different kind of way, Sanders, remember, what did that "Des Moines Register" poll tell us? Two-thirds of Democrats in the state think that the political economic system is rigged against the little guy. They are looking to really have a fundamental change against the system.

CUOMO: ... a socialist.

GREGORY: Yes. You know, so there's also the momentum thing. That ad that Sanders is running...

CUOMO: The America ad.

GREGORY: Yes, the America ad gives you the sense of some kind of movement, some kind of populist movement. She's not going to tap into that in the same way, and that's where momentum could really be on Sanders' side right now.

CAMEROTA: Maeve, can we talk about Bernie? Because I think it's very hard for the American public to figure out what's going on. She has said, "There's nothing there. This is Benghazi all over again. I'm used to these targeted attacks."

And then we hear from other media outlets the FBI is actually talking and speaking and planting these stories, that something is ramping up.

LEWIS: Right.

CAMEROTA: How are voters tonight to figure out what's happening?

LEWIS: First, I want to say, going back to what you just said about the difference is 2008 was an open seat. Right? And so being just being a change agent, being a revolutionary mattered when you were changing from George W. Bush. Right now, if you're a revolutionary, what are you revolting against? Barack Obama? I mean, to Democrats, once somebody like Bernie Sanders is going to say the Obama years weren't good enough, right?

GREGORY: That's what the wing does, right? They think Obama didn't go far enough.

LEWIS: But speaking to the e-mails, the e-mails are a really big deal and a huge problem, and she's parsing it and saying, well, they weren't classified at the time. Of course they weren't. You're the secretary of state. You were -- you were the one who would have been classifying them, or your team would have been.

But I don't think it matters tonight. I don't think that any Democratic caucus there is going to say that they're worried about the e-mails. I do think it's a huge story. I just don't think it is a big story tonight.

CUOMO: Why do you disagree?

RESTON: Because getting straight back to the Clinton fatigue factor, when you talk to Democratic voters who are for Sanders about the e-mails, they bring this up independently. And they talk about, you know, being tired of this constant series of investigations. Everything that she has said is, you know, the Republicans targeting her. People want to move beyond that. They don't want to talk about it anymore. And I think it contributes to the fatigue that people are feeling from her.

GREGORY: It's the trust issue. Trust and credibility. I don't think it hurts her among Democrats except those who say is this a drag on her? Can she not win? It becomes a general election issue. I think there's a lot of Democrats who are -- believe what she's saying. And, look, "This is like Benghazi. This is an argument by critics against me, by Republicans against me. I don't think it has the same resonance.

By the way, Sanders has not made the kind of deal about it that he could have. Only a couple days ago.

CAMEROTA: He's starting to. He's changing his tune.

CUOMO: We'll see if that's real. We'll hear how it would be used usually.

CAMEROTA: He has -- he has gone from "enough about the damn e- mails" to "it's a serious issue."

CUOMO: It's an FBI investigation. If he says this is nothing, well, then that seems like he's a little bit, you know, off base also. It's a tricky situation. And as long as it's out there, it's real for the voters.

CAMEROTA: It is.

Coming up in the next hour, Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton will join us live. Obviously, we'll ask her all about this and so much more.

CUOMO: Now you know how we look to get ahead of ourselves. Here we are before the caucus starts, and we're already talking about what happens after Iowa. You have to, because why Iowa is most important, it's not about picking your eventual president. The history is not so great there.

But it is about predicting momentum into New Hampshire. So we're going to have a very special event in the Granite State. Listen to this: all three Democratic presidential candidates -- Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley -- in a live presidential town hall Wednesday night moderated by our man Anderson Cooper at 8 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN.

People like the format. They felt that they got the candidates talking right to go voters in a way that exposed them a little bit better. So we're doing it again.

All right. So here we are in Iowa. This is the big day. The hype is going to be removed by history here. Ted Cruz, as we have been saying here this morning, Iowa was supposed live his big state to start the momentum. He finds himself under siege, though. Rivals questioning credentials and credibility.

[06:25:04] Can he come out on top in Iowa? We'll give you the plus/minus when we come back.

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CUOMO: Welcome back to NEW DAY, live from the place to be in American presidential campaign. That is Des Moines, Iowa. It all starts here.

So what's the state of play on the Republican side? Donald Trump in recent polls has momentum; seems to be widening his lead against Senator Ted Cruz. Anything can happen. Many believe that this is Cruz's state to win as a caucus. One person who believes that very deeply, Representative Steve King, Republican from Iowa. Serves as national co-chairman of the campaign.

Great to be on your home turf.

REP. STEVE KING (R), ILLINOIS: It's great you could come to Iowa, Cruz.

CUOMO: All right. So this -- you're pushing them hard. This was supposed to be Ted Cruz's good, strong start, the evangelical base, people looking for a conservative purist. He's been taking some knocks from Donald Trump. Now he's taken a

knock from himself. Let's put up the mailer. This was brought to attention not by a politician specifically but by the secretary of state. Of course they're a politician as well.

But this comes out. What have they said about it? It seems to have legalistic language, voting violation. You know, it seems to be scaring people that if you don't come out and caucus, you're breaking the law. The secretary of state says it is deceptive to the point of being a violation almost. Do you accept that analysis, and what so you think is going on with the mailer?

REP. STEVE KING (D), ILLINOIS: It's either a violation or it's not. If it was a violation, I think the secretary of state would have said so. And we also know that Marco Rubio has almost an identical document that's been mailed out there, another one of those shaming documents. And we're still waiting for the secretary of state to issue a similar statement. So politics couldn't play a part at all in what's going on here in Iowa.

CUOMO: You think the secretary of state is anti-Cruz?

KING: I don't know that. I just think that if you put out a statement like that, if that was his professional opinion, he has an obligation to do the same thing when Marco Rubio has a similar document out.

CUOMO: Did the mailer go too far?