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Ted Cruz Wins Republican Iowa Caucuses; Donald Trump Comes in Second in Iowa Republican Caucuses; Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders in Dead Heat in Iowa Democratic Caucuses. Aired 8-8:30a ET

Aired February 02, 2016 - 08:00   ET

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[08:00:00] SEN. MARCO RUBIO, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When I am our nominee we are going to unify this party.

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Iowa, we love you. We thank you. I think I might come here and buy a farm. I love it, OK?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota, and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. This is NEW DAY. It's Tuesday, February 2nd. Michaela is in New York. Alisyn and I are at the Waterworks Cafe in Manchester, New Hampshire. And boy what a new day it is. The focus in the 2016 race for president shifts to right where we are. The Iowa caucuses is in the books, kind of. Not actually resolved. Why? Well, the Iowa state Democratic Party hasn't called its winner yet. Hillary Clinton's campaign is declaring victory in this historically dead heat that they have there. CNN has not yet called the race. Why? One precinct yet to report. The margin between Clinton and Sanders less than one-half of one percent.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: It is squeaker. On the Republican side, Ted Cruz leads Donald Trump in second place. Evangelical voters propelling Cruz to the top of the pack. Another big headline coming out of Iowa, a late surge by Marco Rubio who came in a very strong third. So we will speak with two candidates, Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz, coming up. But let's begin our coverage with our senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar. She is live in Des Moines with all of the breaking details in the Democratic race. High, Brianna.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey there alisyn. Can you imagine if we had this snow last night during caucus night? so this is what Hillary Clinton's campaign is saying, this is what her Iowa state director is saying. Hillary has won the Iowa caucus. After thorough reporting and analysis of results there is no uncertainty that Secretary Clinton has clearly won the most national and state delegates. Statistically there is no outstanding information that can change the results in no way that Senator Sanders can overcome Secretary Clinton's advantage."

Perhaps there is not complete certainty as the Clinton campaign would like for us to believe, but look at what the Iowa Democratic Party chair is saying, really highlighting just how close this is, the results tonight the closest in Iowa Democratic caucus history. And here are the numbers, amazing -- 699.57 state delegate equivalents for Clinton, 695.49 for Sanders. Outstanding at this point is one precinct. That is Des Moines 42. We're waiting to figure out and we'll see what happens there this morning. But at the same time it is worth 2.28 state delegate equivalents, and right now you see it spread between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders of four. And that is why her campaign is saying that there is nothing -- that he will not be able to overcome that.

Some really interesting numbers we got from entrance polls that tell you a lot not just about what happened here in Iowa but what is going to happen going forward. Democratic caucus goers asked who do you think is honest and trustworthy? Check this out, 83 percent Sanders, only 10 percent Hillary Clinton. And showing that Sanders is getting people who don't normally participate, 59 percent of first time caucus goers to him, 37 percent for Clinton, guys.

CUOMO: Huge numbers. But first things first. Brianna Keilar, you get the tiger tough award for perfect elocution while frozen in the cheeks.

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BOLDUAN: I know. She looks like she's frozen in front of the Kremlin.

CUOMO: Wow, very strong. CNN strong right there.

BOLDUAN: And they predicted that a big snow storm would be coming, and it gave enough time for the caucuses to unfold.

BOLDUAN: Keilar is not joking around. My nose would have broken off and fallen on my feet if I were in there. Thank you, Brianna. Get inside.

All right, so, Senator Sanders says this is a victory no matter what the Iowa state party says, that his campaign is real. He'll take this raiser thin margin in the Iowa caucuses and come basically home to New Hampshire, where he is very strong. Here is his take on the election just steps from his plane early, early this morning.

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CUOMO: What is the party telling you right now? We know that they were releasing some information, nothing final. There seems to be some flux about which delegates, which votes are still outstanding.

BERNIE SANDERS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Chris, I think you probably know more than I do. We just got off the plane. We haven't studied it, but obviously we'll be in contact with the party tomorrow.

But bottom line for us, look, we started our campaign 40, 50 points behind. Whether we lose by a fraction of a point or whatever, we're very proud of the campaign. And I think the significance is that for folks who think Bernie Sanders could win, that we could compete against Hillary Clinton, I hope that though is now gone. We're going to fight really hard in New Hampshire, and then we're going to Nevada and South Carolina. We look forward to doing well around the country.

[08:05:09] CUOMO: Do you take this as a victory regardless of what the margin is?

SANDERS: Absolutely. Look, what you're talking about is one way or one the other, a couple of delegates. We're going to need 2,300 delegates to win this thing. So maybe we lost by two, maybe we lost by one, maybe by zero, whatever it may be. But what this shows is that this campaign has started in a very forceful way, starting way, way back and coming to a virtual tie. And we are going to fight here in New Hampshire. Look forward to winning here, and doing well around the rest of the country.

CUOMO: Two things seem clear in the exit polls. I want your take on them senator. First is there was an expectation this would be a national security election because of recent events and just the state of affairs. It steams that the idea of economics and what the security for the future is economically and as a country seems to loom as large if not larger.

SANDERS: Look, national security is always a major issue when we're dealing with barbaric organizations like ISIS. But on the other hand, the truth is the average American understands that there is something wrong when the middle class continues to decline in almost all new income and wealth is going to the top one percent.

And I'll tell you something else, Chris. What I found in Iowa, and not just from Democrats but from conservatives and Republicans, there is profound anger at a campaign finance system which allows billionaires to buy elections. Nobody likes that.

CUOMO: What does it mean to you that as voters get younger and as their income moves more into the middle class, your numbers got bigger and bigger in the preliminary information?

SANDERS: I am -- well, number one, in terms of working class people who are gravitating to our campaign, that is what this campaign is about. It's asking working people and middle class people to stand up and fight for their rights, help us take on a billionaire class who's greed is doing so much damage to our economy.

Second of all, in the last election, the midterm election, 80 percent of young people didn't vote, 80 percent. I am very proud that we're bringing a whole lot of young people all over this country into the political process, that we're revitalizing American democracy. And if we're going to change America, that's what we got to do.

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CAMEROTA: OK, over on the other side of the aisle, Senator Ted Cruz stealing the show in Iowa, winning the Republican caucuses, upsetting GOP frontrunner Donald Trump. What does this mean going into New Hampshire? CNN chief political correspondent Dana Bash spoke with Cruz after his big victory. She joins us now. Dana, thanks so much for being here. What did he say?

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: He has been so robust about the ground game that he has, the structure that he has, the volunteers that he has not just in Iowa but around the country, especially in key states, a little bit here in New Hampshire but much more going forward in South Carolina and beyond. And we talked about that and more just moments after he won in Iowa.

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BASH: Senator, congratulations.

SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you. It has been a remarkable victory here in Iowa and really a victory for the grassroots. It is breath taking to see what happens when so many Americans stand up and decide they are fed up with what happens in Washington and they want something different. They want a leader they can trust. They want someone who will stand and fight for them against the corruption of Washington. And Heidi and I are overwhelmed and we're gratified and we're encouraged going on into New Hampshire, going on to South Carolina, and going on to compete and win this primary and win the general election and turn this country around.

BASH: Have you already sent Marco Rubio flowers a bouquet of flowers for taking Donald Trump's votes away? That was a help for you.

CRUZ: I recognize that folks may want to talk about the third place finisher, and that's fine. You can talk about that.

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CRUZ: I'm focused on our victory tonight and the fact that courageous conservatives across Iowa, all across the country, generated the most votes ever given to any Republican victor in a Republican primary. That is an unbelievable grassroots army. You know we had over 12,000 volunteers in Iowa. We've got over 200,000 volunteers nationwide. That is the strength of this campaign. It is a grassroots campaign. That has been where our fundraising has come from. It has been where our energy has come from. It's where our passion comes from. And if you want to know who I'm accountable to, that is to whom I'm accountable. It is the men and women of the grassroots.

BASH: Let's look ahead. What do you think your biggest competition is given the results tonight? Is it Donald Trump, or is he still a factor?

CRUZ: Every candidate is going to have to decide what they do next in the campaign, and I like and respect everyone in this race. I like and respect Donald Trump. I like and respect Marco. I like and respect everyone. Donald and Marco both had a good night. I congratulate them in their second and third place finish. Ben Carson had a good night. There are a lot of -- everyone in this field I like and respect. We're going to stay focused on making the case to the American people that we can't have another campaign conservative.

[08:10:05] BASH: I'm not taking anything away from your victory. You had a very solid, well-deserved victory given how much you guys worked.

CRUZ: Thank you.

BASH: But Iowa is kind of tailor made for Ted Cruz. If you look at the entrance poll, let me just give you an example, 85 percent said that they were conservative, 15 percent say they were moderate, and of the moderates you only got like nine percent. So how do you translate what you did here to other states that don't have such a conservative electorate?

CRUZ: I have to admit I'm kind of amused hearing that Iowa is tailor made for us. Last night I was watching the news, and on every station, every media pundit was saying Cruz is going to lose. I heard that over and over and over again. Trump will win. Trump will win. Trump will win, every media pundit.

And then suddenly when the grassroots proved the media wrong, then suddenly of course it was a foregone conclusion Ted was going to win. This is the power of the conservative grassroots, and there is a silent majority in this country. One of the great lies that gets told on the airways over and over again is that this country has somehow embraced Barack Obama's big government failed liberalism. That is not true. This is center-right country. This is a country built on Judeo-Christian values. And the heart of my campaign is based on commonsense principles -- live within your means, don't bankrupt our kids and grandkids, follow the constitution.

BASH: Do you think the nominee could emerge by the middle of March, and do you think that you have the path to be that person?

CRUZ: Look, I think it is entirely possible that we will know our nominee by the end of March. If you look at the states, the states are frontloaded. A great many of the delegates are chosen by the end of March. And winning Iowa is a good first step. You've got to do more. that doesn't do it on its own. But winning Iowa particularly, it is interesting, if you look at the past two Iowa caucus winners, very good men, people of principle. But when they came out of Iowa they were broke. When they came out of Iowa they didn't have the national infrastructure to be able to compete effectively enough to win the nomination.

We're in a very different position. The finance reports that were filed last night showed that at the end of December 31st, that we had almost as much money in the bank, our campaign, as the campaigns of Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, and Chris Christie combined. That is an incredible testament. Usually the conservative is broke. In this case because we've had over 800,000 contributions at TedCruz.org, we've got resources. We've got over 200,000 volunteers and a grassroots army. I believe we have the national campaign and infrastructure to capitalize on this victory, to keep working to earn those votes. And I hope and believe that if we continue to be effective building that grassroots army that we're going win the nomination and then win the general election and beat Hillary Clinton in November.

BASH: Senator, congratulations.

CRUZ: Thank you.

BASH: Thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

CRUZ: Thank you very much.

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CUOMO: So Ted Cruz giving a real strong assessment of why he won, saying it is not a coincidence. We're going to see more of it. He says he likes and respects Donald Trump, especially when he beats him.

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CUOMO: As for the number two finisher, he is now in New Hampshire. Actually he is now in New York, but he's going to be shifting gears here in New Hampshire, hoping to fulfill the promise of polls that have him up here significantly right now. Marco Rubio finished a very strong third. He was a surprise, same number of delegates as Trump. So statistically just about in second place a tie there.

So CNN senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta is live in Manchester this morning. This is where the world turns in this election now, my friend.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That's right. And Donald Trump is uncharacteristically quiet this morning, Chris and Alisyn. No tweets. He's not on the air. And I think that's because in terms of disappointment, this was huge, huge for Donald Trump. In the end the unconventional Trump may not have been conventional enough. We were there in Iowa with him. He didn't go to the retail campaigning that Iowans crave every four. He didn't go to many ranches in Iowa, instead opting for those big, splashy rallies. And Trump was simply outdone by Ted Cruz's impressive ground operation as he was not able to move those swarms of supporters we see at these big events to caucus sites to register their support. But the brash billionaire was uncharacteristically measured in his words last night, almost soft spoke in in defeat. Here is what he had to say.

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TRUMP: I was told by everybody do not go to Iowa. You could never finish even in the top 10. We finished second, and I want to tell you something, I'm just honored. I'm really honored.

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ACOSTA: Now, why did Donald Trump seem to lose steam at the end? It's because of "Marco-mentum" as people are calling it. It didn't who up in the polls but it did show up on caucus night. If you look at our entrance polling it appears those last minute, undecided voters opted for Marco Rubio and Cruz over Trump.

[08:15:03] Many of those voters determining that Rubio is more viable to take on Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.

Now, the question in this race now comes to whether New Hampshire is going to be the next step for Marco Rubio. Whether that third place finish, very strong for Rubio in Iowa gives him momentum here.

Trump's challenge is proving that Iowa is a fluke. He's riding high in the polls in New Hampshire but he looks beatable here.

One final thing: there was speculation that he was going to get the endorsement of Huckabee tomorrow in Arkansas but Huckabee's spokesman Hogan Gidley says that is not happening. And, guys, the Trump campaign has to think whether or not appearing in Arkansas is a good idea at this point tomorrow given what happened last night in Iowa -- Chris and Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Hmm. OK, Jim, you've given us so much to talk about. Thank you for all of that.

Let's bring in our panel. Joining us this morning is David Gregory, he's the former moderator of "Meet the Press", Maeve Reston, CNN national political reporter, and Mark Preston, executive editor for CNN Politics.

Great to have you here at the Waterworks Cafe with us.

OK. There's so much to dissect here. Let's talk about the big headlines, David.

Ted Cruz wins Iowa and this morning what he credits his win is the attacks on Donald Trump's New York values. He thinks that really resonated with people.

DAVID GREGORY, FORMER MODERATOR, "MEET THE PRESS": I think you have to give Cruz his due. I mean, great organization, retail politicking in Iowa. It turns out those evangelical voters gets all the new voters to come and gets a good share of those.

And he understood something that these other Republicans don't seem to understand, which is you have to go hard at your opponent. And everybody gave him a hard time about the New York values thing, it was too cute by half.

He knew who his audience was. It was Iowans who get it when you say New York values. And all they're talking about -- it's not a slight against New York. Maybe it's a little bit.

But it's mostly to say he's liberal on issues like abortion. That he's much more willing to do deals with Democrats. And to a hard core rock-ribbed Republican electorate that is going to play well.

He took an ideological fight to Trump and it worked, and these other Republicans didn't do it and they probably regret.

CUOMO: So, what does it mean for Ted Cruz going forward? Is the message in Iowa enough to get him anywhere near the nomination?

MAEVE RESTON, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER: No. I don't think so. I mean you have to --

CUOMO: Next question. No.

Why? Why do you say that?

RESTON: Ted Cruz have taken, I mean, he is so far on the other side of the spectrum from a lot of the voters here in New Hampshire. A lot of them are middle of the road, the states beyond South Carolina going forward.

I mean, I think, though, the big question now for Ted Cruz is how he demonstrates appeal beyond evangelicals in Iowa. Clearly, he had a very, very strong showing there and he's argued that he is going to be the guy who won't make deals, who won't compromise. But I don't know that that plays as well in other parts of the country. Particularly when he's up against someone like Marco Rubio who perhaps looks to someone a little more like someone who would be a good general election nominee, particularly against Hillary Clinton.

Ted Cruz is really going to have to make the case now that he would be the strongest nominee up against Hillary Clinton.

CAMEROTA: Mark, that's the next headline. Marco Rubio's finish. He almost tied Trump. He came in a really solid third.

MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: He did. And something we actually saw several days out. And you could feel it on the ground. You would talk to operatives, not just his own campaign, the other campaigns starting seeing it and feeling it as well, starting to get a little concern.

Going into late afternoon yesterday, the Rubio campaign was trying to tamp down expectations. Now, there has been a lot of criticism on the Rubio campaign that they have not put a super strong infrastructure on the ground in Iowa, nor had a super strong infrastructure here. They have a very good political operative running the show here. The question is now, can he build upon it?

I got to say one thing about Donald Trump now. Donald Trump last night was very gracious in that loss.

CUOMO: Yes, he was.

PRESTON: And I was up here with Ted Cruz and talked to a lot of the other operatives for the campaigns. They said if Trump lost and came in second and he came here blazing out of Iowa saying the Iowa voters didn't know what they were going to do, that will really hurt him. But coming out gracious might actually help Trump.

CUOMO: Iowa is like the starting gate busting open at the beginning of a horse race. And then it becomes about big moments. We actually lived one this morning. These two Maeve and Preston were part of it.

Tell me the scene that was there when I found you guys this morning.

PRESTON: Is there anything more surreal than leaving Iowa before a snow storm, landing here at 4:00 a.m. airplanes stacked up against once another. Hillary Clinton's plane, the press plane, Bernie Sanders, everybody coming off at the same time. And who do we see but Cuomo sitting there all dressed up saying, hey, how are you guys?

But even more surreal is we didn't know what was going on. There was no Wi-Fi on the airplane. These planes were built way before Wi-Fi was invented. The Sanders campaign didn't know what was going on. We had to tell them what was going on.

And, then, Chris, we have to sneak around for the other side of the hangar and get Bernie Sanders for what was a pretty amazing interview at a time, you know, it was critical to find out what he was going to do.

[08:20:02] RESTON: And it was amazing that Bernie Sanders was still going. This morning, you know, out there in the dark, talking to his people.

CUOMO: Preston lying in front of his SUV faking an injury was very helpful --

GREGORY: And you being willing to drive people into the town. You got a big SUV.

But, you know, one other point, I think if we really pull back, I think your pointed is really right. First of all, the strength of Rubio is he ultimately can draw off Cruz's strength. And, look, the country writ large in the general election is going to be asking, who can lead us in this new America, in this 50/50 divide? Who's got the ability to do that kind of work in Washington?

Ted Cruz is letting everybody know he by design is not that guy. He's not there to get things done. He's there to stand on principle.

And I think that message starts to hurt. But he can certainly occupy that very conservative wing for a while.

CAMEROTA: Is this a new field today, Maeve? I mean, is it a more open field?

RESTON: It is. I think the race was completely reordered last night in the sense that Donald Trump has been such the dominant force the entire time. And look how little we've talked about him this morning and somehow he's going to have to come back and prove that he wasn't the loser last night.

You have such an opportunity for Marco Rubio here. Ted Cruz has a lot to prove. It just once again feels like it is anyone's game.

CAMEROTA: That's great.

Maeve, Mark, David, thanks so much. Great to talk to you, guys.

CUOMO: You know what? It could all happen again. In New Hampshire you have a new set of players who may bubble up and become relevant, certainly on the GOP side.

CAMEROTA: Things are getting more and more interesting.

CUOMO: Right?

And on the Democratic side, you've got a clear two-person race. Governor O'Malley is suspending his campaign. So, it's now just them. And they want at each other more than ever because they know how close it is.

And guess what? They are going to get a chance right here on CNN as soon as tomorrow night. They are going to be taking questions. Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, right from the presidential town hall in Derry, New Hampshire, moderated by Anderson Cooper, real questions from real voters, Wednesday night, right here on CNN.

CAMEROTA: Also, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders finishing within a hair of each other in Iowa. Is that very tight race a harbinger of what about to happen here in New Hampshire? We're live from Manchester. We'll be right back.

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CUOMO: (AUDIO GAP) victory in Iowa, but it is not a done deal yet. We are still waiting for the official word from the state Democratic Party. No question it is a dead heat, a historically close race between Clinton and senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders.

Let's discuss the implications for the party and the race moving forward.

CNN political contributor Michael Nutter joins us. He is a Hillary Clinton supporter and, of course, the former mayor of Philadelphia.

It's good to have you with us, sir.

MICHAEL NUTTER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Thanks, Chris.

CUOMO: Congratulations joining the CNN brood on this election.

So, you say Hillary is the right candidate, but in the polls yesterday, statistically dead heat.

[08:25:03] Younger people, middle class people in Iowa going for Bernie Sanders.

What do you think the plus/minus is on the race and why it should be Hillary Clinton?

NUTTER: Well, Chris, I think we've seen a number of things just turned upside down in the results from last night and the build up to yesterday.

First of all, a fundamental principle, polls don't vote. People do. And we saw changes in the various polls. We know that Iowa pretty much a tailor-made state for Senator Sanders and his message, when you have 45-plus percent of Democrats in Iowa identifying themselves as socialist. And so, he starts with that kind of base.

Senator Clinton has taken this race. There is nothing in politics that we know of at least in America called a virtual tie. I think that is a diplomatic way of Senator Sanders saying we did come up short.

You go back to the fundamentals for Senator Clinton. She has experience. That is what voters are looking for. She has the ground game, that is what you need to win an actual election. And she clearly is the person that voters believe can win in November and beat back the Republicans from ripping up virtually everything that President Obama has done.

So, Iowa, you know, that race is done, basically. And now of course on to New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina and then all of the March elections. By the end of March, seven of the 10 largest states in the United States of America, those voters will have voted and this race will change pretty dynamically.

CUOMO: Well, point of order -- as we both know the Iowa state party, the Democratic Party hasn't even called the race yet. That is how close. It is literally a few tenth of a percent.

So, it is statistically basically a tie. Few delegates are going to separate them. Now, you can see that as the plus or minus for Clinton because as you are saying, many believe that's Iowa is set up better for Sanders. Let me ask you about why.

Knowing Philadelphia and knowing inner city socioeconomics so well, why do you think it is that Senator Sanders' message about income inequality doesn't play as well with minority voters?

NUTTER: Well, whether it is minority voters or non minority voters, the fact of the matter is you are just going to always just in the interview that you showed earlier, Senator Sanders is always going, no matter what the question, we're going to talk about breaking up the big badge banks, we're going to talk about, from his perspective, broken campaign finance system and rail against millionaires and billionaires.

A person walking down the streets of Philadelphia is not necessarily running down the street chanting about any one of those three things. It is still the fundamentals on the ground which play to Secretary Clinton's strengths.

She knows about cities. She understands cities. She can talk about public safety and crime nationally and internationally -- jobs, families, kids, education, poverty, reentry. All of these are the serious issues that people in Philadelphia and in many cities all across the United States of America are really focused on and really care about.

And so, we find no matter what the question is to Senator Sanders, you are going back to one of those three fundamental issues. Those are the issues that he raises. He's going right for the hearts of people.

Secretary Clinton talks about the issues that are practical and are in the heads and minds of people on a daily basis. And that in essence is really what this contest is really all about.

But to use a sports analogy, when we talk about winning and ties and all that, a team is going to win the Super Bowl this upcoming weekend. And even if you come one point close you don't get the trophy. At some point, you know, you have to walk off the field and there is an actual winner.

Senator Clinton has won ultimately this Iowa caucus and now, we're moving on to New Hampshire and the other races.

CUOMO: The difference is obviously you have a domino effect working a little bit with elections. One race kind of leads into the next.

NUTTER: Sure, yes.

CUOMO: We'll see where the momentum takes this one into New Hampshire and beyond.

NUTTER: Yes, in the game, you have a kickoff and then you have the rest of the game.

No one is calling the game in the first five minutes. And so, this was the start. There is a long campaign season to go.

Senator Clinton gets stronger as the fight goes on because she's a fighter and talks to people about the issues they really care about on a day to day basis in their kitchens, on their streets in their community meetings. These are the kinds of things that people are talking about.

CUOMO: Michael Nutter, thank you very much for the perspective. Appreciate the metaphor, especially with the Super Bowl coming up. Appreciate it.

So, how do we know where the race stands beyond our understanding of what just happened? We're going break down what the numbers show. How many and who came out in the primaries and what were they looking for? We've got the man who knows the numbers. John King, coming up.

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