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Sanders Attacks Clinton On Wall Street Ties; Growing Concerns About Zika Virus; Tight Security For Super Bowl 50. Aired 7:30-8a ET

Aired February 05, 2016 - 07:30   ET

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: What happens when a race gets close? The candidates get close, and by that, we mean there is some friction. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders has certainly seemed to take gloves off. It's not ugly yet, but it's certainly more intense. What are we going to see going forward?

Let's get some perspective on what works and what may not work. CNN political commentators, Hilary Rosen and Sally Kohn. Hilary is a Democratic strategist and Sally is a "Daily Beast" columnist. Good to have you both there in New York.

Let's talk about this idea of money. Sally, you start with the suggestion of what Sanders means when he's talking about money. For factual purposes, through December 31st, you have about $114 million has come into Clinton's campaign, $43 million of it from allied super PACs, about $17 million from financial sources. What is the implication?

SALLY KOHN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, the implication is -- first of all, everybody has to remember, the larger implication is Bernie Sanders is trying to make a point about our political system, our election.

When we have a political system bought and sold by big money, that taints the outcome of politics, period. You can't be independent. You can't be a voice for the people who you are being paid for literally when your life blood depends on big money, including Wall Street.

So that's the larger point he's making. The particulars here is how can you guarantee an independent voice who will hold Wall Street and big money accountable when your campaign is being bank rolled by those special interests.

CUOMO: Hilary, what's the other side?

HILARY ROSEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, the truth is they're both right, which is Hillary Clinton has never been bought or sold out. And she has a tougher Wall Street plan, as I thought Governor Granholm was pretty articulate in talking about before.

But the system is corrupt. Bernie Sanders is right that ultimately there are enough members of Congress, there are enough people in the system that are essentially bought and do slow things down and do stop reform.

[07:35:06]And I think Hillary Clinton ought to say, yes, you're right. The system is corrupt. You know, that there is no down side in her going out there and saying that.

My take last night is that Bernie Sanders was so great at articulating the problems of this country. And Hillary Clinton is really pretty great in articulating the solutions.

Because she does have policy proposals that take on significant problems that Bernie Sanders is outlining and so it's fascinating to watch these two where he is giving this amazing stump speech and she is having a policy conversation. The two of them really kind of in that way talk past each other.

CUOMO: Sally, do you accept that rationale?

KOHN: No. I mean, look, I think words do have to have meaning and candidates have to have positions. The one point I will make and I thought it was so well articulated by both candidates last night is it is so refreshing and important to see both Democratic candidates having a substantive policy discussion rather than mudslinging on the Republican side and kindergarten circus.

But beyond that, there's substantive differences. There are differences between how Bernie Sanders would hold Wall Street accountable. There are differences in the priorities he places.

And progressive centrist they have to have meaning. What I'm surprise by is, look, Hillary's best argument is I am the middle of the road, reasonable, pragmatic person who can get these sorts of things done. She can't say that and also say, yes, but I'm a progressive, one or the other.

CUOMO: Well, Hilary, labels aside, because the labels frustrate me. It seems to me that Hillary's big case is you can't do this job when you haven't been within a mile, 100 miles of any really important decision.

That's a shot across the bow of the freshman senators on the right and of Bernie Sanders on her left. How compelling do you find that case to be and why?

ROSEN: You know, I thought it was interesting last night when the question was about experience and working across the aisle. Bernie Sanders started to talk about his 25 years in Congress. To think about that he is the outsider.

He has been in Congress 25 years. I guess that record is going to start to be evaluated a little more, what actually has he done? How actually has he worked with other people to make progress?

I thought one of Hillary Clinton's best line was a progressive is actually someone who makes progress. We're going to see that I think as this goes forward. We're going to take this conversation to each other. KOHN: See I think the values of what you're actually working for matter too. Go ahead. Sorry, Chris.

CUOMO: No. I think -- that's what I'm asking you to do, is make that point. Sally, please way in. I say labels frustrate me. Make the point you want to make and also can we be honest? Progressive means liberal.

The left doesn't like the word liberal anymore so they created progressive. That's what frustrates me about it. Just call yourself what you are. But also make the case about why his time in the Senate, in terms of the number of years isn't reflective of what his disposition has been.

KOHN: Look, I think you can be -- it is possible to be an outsider on the inside, to have the sort of politics of being, you know, look how much the left likes an Elizabeth Warren who was a Harvard professor and now a senator. The two don't necessarily go hand in hand. It is about principles.

Look, labels do matter. I don't think it's fair to, sort of, judge Hillary by her husband. It is fair to note, though, that the reason liberalism got tainted was because of Bill Clinton, when he passed the anti-gay defensive marriage act.

When he was the person who shepherded through welfare reform -- no, I'm saying but that's why it became such a, quote/unquote, "dirty word." Progressive means something. If Hillary is a progressive then I'm Trey Guevara (ph).

I mean, it has to actually mean that you're standing for a sort of more extreme reform in the system and real economic justice and --

ROSEN: That is silly. I actually thought Hillary last night won that point when she talked about the various members who have kind of gone there. She was the liberal senator from New York. This is not about Bill Clinton.

CUOMO: All right, Hilary, not Shea, thank you very much for being on the show with us. We will keep going over these issues as they pop up down the road. Appreciate it.

Reminder to the rest of you, we are taking the show on the road. We will be where we need to be to cover the election. That is in New Hampshire, Monday and Tuesday at the Waterworks Cafe. If you're in the area, please stop by. Alisyn will be paying for breakfast for everybody.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: I heard that. That's awesome from San Francisco to New Hampshire. That's awesome, Chris. Quite a voyage for you. Thanks so much for that.

[07:40:07]So concerns are growing about the Zika virus. It's mostly being track in Latin-America. But could you be at risk here in the United States? We'll ask the good Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

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PEREIRA: Well, the Zika virus is now in about 30 countries and counting as the Centers for Disease Control confirms the first known case of the virus being locally acquired in the U.S. in Dallas, Texas.

Joining us now is CNN chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, with what you need to know. Almost 30 countries and counting, in fact, we can pull up a little list, a gigantic list for people who are wondering about this.

They've been hearing it in the headlines, Sanjay, but I think it bears repeating, what is Zika, who does it most affect?

SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Zika is a virus that is spread primarily by mosquitos. It started from the Zika forest in Uganda, got its name there. It traveled to many places around the world.

Most people who get this infection will not only not get sick, they will probably won't even know that they got the infection because they will have no symptoms.

The 80 percent of people will fall on that category. People that it most affects, most concerned is women who are pregnant, in the early parts of their pregnancy.

[07:45:04]The concern is not as much for them as it is for their babies. There has been a correlation between this virus and a certain birth defect known as microcephaly.

PEREIRA: What are the symptoms then? You said that most people won't even know they have it. Are there any physical symptoms?

GUPTA: Yes. It might feel like you have a milder flu. You may get some rash around your body, joint aches, or red eyes. You're just not going to feel well for a couple of days. Again, if you get symptoms at all, you might think I caught a bug somewhere. But most people certainly would not have thought of Zika virus until recently.

PEREIRA: Those are symptoms describe most of the people on our staff these days just from working these hours. We have some viewers that have actually been taking part in the conversation about this because I think people are wondering about it.

So let's take some of the question from you and thanks for submitting those. The first one is from Facebook, David. Does it affect children and women only?

GUPTA: Well, you know, it can affect anybody, but, again, most people won't have any symptoms. The women, particularly pregnant women, this is the emotional punch, right? It is really remarkable how -- you can imagine what it's like.

If you're a pregnant woman and you live in one of these areas where Zika is circulating, you must be sort of wondering every day, did I get an infection? How will this affect my child? But it is those pregnant women.

PEREIRA: Some 4,000 babies have been born with the virus in Brazil. So that is seriously a big number. OK, next question from Facebook, how can we protect ourselves? Will repellant be enough?

GUPTA: Well, the -- what's happening in many of these places, they are certainly encouraging mosquito repellant, and encouraging people to wear long sleeves, simple measures like that.

The real trick is to get rid of the mosquitos, which they are trying to do as much as they can. These things can breed in a small bottle cap with a little bit of water in it. Getting rid of all standing water.

They are doing preparations around Carnival which starts today. The Olympics which starts in August so we are going to hear more and more about that.

PEREIRA: Yes, and when you think of standing water, you don't think of a coke bottle lid having enough water in it. This is crazy. Another question, this is from Antoinette. She wants to know if once you get the virus, can it lay dormant and then spring up again and will you build up immunity?

GUPTA: I think the answer to this is some good news and that it really appears that this isn't one of those viruses that hangs out in your body. According to Dr. Frieden, who is the head of the CDC, he told me about seven days and then it's gone from your body.

So keep in mind what that means because women who are -- I get this question all the time, women who are thinking about getting pregnant. And they say, I had a Zika infection in the past.

Will it affect my pregnancy going forward in the future? And the answer is no. The virus seems to leave your body, you can have a safe pregnancy afterwards.

PEREIRA: That is going to be a relief to many women and families I'm sure. Then lastly, Adam has a question regarding the treatment, when do the vaccinations start?

GUPTA: Well, we wish we had a vaccine, right? I mean, look, this was a virus that no one thought about for a long time. It just laid in the tiny forest in Uganda. We are starting to pay attention to it now. Scientists are starting to work on vaccines.

But you know, Michaela, we've talked a lot around this, around Ebola, it takes quite some time. Even after you had the vaccine. You have to do trials.

PEREIRA: Sure.

GUPTA: It's not going to happen any time soon. Three to five years, probably, is the short time frame for this.

PEREIRA: Well, look at the things that we have learned. It can be sexually transmitted. We are learning about Zika seemingly by the day. Thank you so much for answering the questions and thank you to all of you out there at home for the questions for Sanjay Gupta. Chris, back to you in San Francisco.

CUOMO: All right, Mich, we're out here why? Super Bowl 50, I mean, it is about history, but it's also about security, and that's a big reason we are here, 70,000 people expected to pack Levi's Stadium for Sunday's 50th Super Bowl, major city. Big threat concerns as well. What do you do to keep fans safe? We have the inside word when we come back.

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CUOMO: Just two days from the big game, Super Bowl 50. You got your chili cooking yet? The hype machine is already cranking up. Let's bring in captain handsome, Cory Wire, with more on an unexpected member of the media. Tell me about this, my friend.

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Chris, after a long week of events and the same questions over and over, the players and coaches spoke to the media for the last time yesterday and boy, did they get a special treat. A guest reporter, the bow to the wow, Snoop Dogg and the players loved it. Listen.

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JARED ALLEN, PANTHERS DEFENSIVE END: Look to your right you see Snoop Dogg asking a question about media. The fact that Snoop Dogg knows my name, that's pretty awesome.

DEMARYIUS, THOMAS, BRONCOS WIDE RECEIVER: I never thought I'd get interviewed by Snoop. It was cool. He got great questions.

SNOOP DOGG: Can I get a 50 percent discount on Papa John's pizza when in the state of Colorado?

PAYTON MANNING, BRONCOS QUARTERBACK: Absolutely. Absolutely.

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WIRE: Nice treat for the guys and they needed it on the last day of media day. Now it's time to zoom focus. Super Bowl 50, just two days away.

CUOMO: Strong street cred with knowing how to introduce "The Dogg." Well done, Coy Wire. All right, so we go from a lot of the fun surrounding the game to something that is all too serious. We had terror attacks in Paris. We had them right here in California in San Bernardino.

So this is very fresh on everyone's mind. Security is going to be tighter than ever, at Super Bowl 50. You have more than 50 federal, state, and local agencies, working together on it. We have someone who can give us the inside as to the how and the why. All right, a massive security undertaking. So we have law enforcement analysts for CNN, Mr. Steve Moore. He is a former supervisory special agent for the FBI.

Steve, always a pleasure. Thank you very much. So, first of all, fair statement. Security at Super Bowl 50 will be more and different than we've ever seen?

STEVE MOORE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Biggest thing I've ever seen security wise. I mean, bigger than the political conventions I've seen before. This is huge.

CUOMO: Now, let's not scare anybody. Is it because of a known threat or because of preparing for what is unknown?

MOORE: No. It is because of unknown. The only thing that scares the FBI more than seeing something that might be planned is a blank screen in front of them because then they're planning for everything.

[07:55:11]So, yes. That's what they've got, a blank screen. So don't think there's anything they're working on now, but that's what scares them.

CUOMO: So now you said, this is like the Super Bowl of security also, in terms of how they're preparing. Tell us.

MOORE: Think about it like a team preparing for a game. They're going to watch films. The FBI, Homeland Security, all the locals, are going to see how these attacks happened in the past. Then they are going to scrimmage.

They are going to get into practice events, practice terror attacks. They are going to be at the stadiums doing tabletops. They're doing everything, getting ready for game time.

CUOMO: Now how will the people who go to Levi's Stadium recognize this new level?

MOORE: The new level is just amazing. First of all, it's going to be more -- if you're thinking about the same security as getting on an airplane. Forget it. You can't bring a purse.

If you want to bring something in you're looking at a quart, clear zipper bag. You might get a clutch in about the size of my hand, but nothing else. I mean, cameras with lenses more than six inches. Don't bring them.

CUOMO: Really?

MOORE: Yes.

CUOMO: And in terms of getting into the stadium, is it going to be the same kind of metal detector and going through that kind of deal or something else?

MOORE: Yes. If you like metal detectors, if you enjoy being frisked, this is your game.

CUOMO: Really?

MOORE: Yes.

CUOMO: It's always good. So if you like the human touch, this is where you want to be. What else can you tell us in terms of what they are bringing in as tools?

MOORE: They have a system in place that would boggle your mind. They are going to be flying aircraft over looking for the types of materials that might glow in the dark. They are looking for anything that could be happening.

They are going to have F-15s in the air ready to intercept anybody who breaks the temporary special flight rules area. So they are going to have every single -- single tool available to them deployed.

CUOMO: Now obviously you know more than you want tell us and we don't want to do anything to frustrate OPSEC, operational security, but it is fair to say, as a deterrent, they are going to have teams on the ground that is unlike what we've seen in the past?

MOORE: Yes. Even in San Francisco, 30 miles away, I'm seeing three to six cops a block in uniform. That's just the outer perimeter. Think about it that way. You have the outer perimeter, clear out to the airports, and each successive inner layer until you get to the stadium itself.

Frankly, by the time a person gets to the magnetometers at the stadium, they're at the inner perimeter. It's not wince you get in. The stadium itself is ground zero.

CUOMO: And we've heard the word that nowadays it's no longer just about prevention. It's about the ability to respond. So not only will they be ready like never before to stop something before it happens, but once it does.

Steve Moore, we never want you to give away too much, but thank you for letting us know that everything is being done to keep these 70,000 and beyond safe.

MOORE: Absolutely.

CUOMO: All right, a quick programming note for you, another reason that we're out here is to do a special. We are going to be with hall of fame quarterback, Dan Marino.

Can you believe it? Me and Dan Marino, tomorrow, we got the "Kickoff By The Bay," that's the name of the special. All access covered of Super Bowl 50 from Levi's Stadium starting at 2:30 Eastern and Pacific right here on CNN.

A lot of news, the state of play in the election has changed. We'll tell you how. Let's get to it.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I never sent or reserved any classified material.

BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You can't be a moderate. You can't be a progressive.

CLINTON: Enough is enough. If you have something to say, say it.

SANDERS: Not only talk the talk, but walk the walk.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And number one in New Hampshire, will you, please, keep me there. This is ridiculous.

SENATOR TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump is very rattled right now.

TRUMP: We're going to win with the military. We're going to knock the (inaudible) out of ISIS.

BARBARA BUSH, MOTHER OF JEB BUSH: He's everything we need in a president.

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Mom, my crowd size is not normally this large. I wonder why?

CUOMO: The Denver Broncos and the Carolina Panthers face-off at Super Bowl 50.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Super Bowl 50 is on track to be the most expensive sporting event in U.S. history.

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CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It's night time here in California still, the early, early morning on this Friday, February 5th, 8:00 in the east. You see my smiling friends in New York.

We are in San Francisco for the countdown to Super Bowl 50. We have more on that in a special we are doing for you tomorrow in just a few moments.

But let's talk about the matter at hand, the race for presidents, specifically on the Democratic side, the debate between Clinton and Sanders has taken a fierce turn.

Clinton voicing her frustration with the senator from Vermont in their only one-on-one debate before the New Hampshire primary coming up. Telling Sanders to end what she calls an artful smear of her record.