Return to Transcripts main page

New Day

Trump, Bush & Kasich Appeal to Voters in CNN Town Hall; Trump Blaming Media for War with Pope Francis. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired February 19, 2016 - 06:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm pro-pope, OK? Put me down in the pro-pope column.

[05:58:47] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He also talked about having a wall is not Christian. He's got an awfully big wall at the Vatican.

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I just don't think it's appropriate to question Donald Trump's faith.

TRUMP: He has a problem with the truth. He holds up the Bible, and then he lies.

BUSH: I would be ready to serve on day one as commander in chief.

TRUMP: Going into Iraq may have been the worst decision any president has made in the history of this country.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We will not allow the Trumps and others of this world to divide us up.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am going to fight for you.

SANDERS: I do not represent the billionaire class.

CLINTON: I know what I'm against.

SANDERS: I do not represent Wall Street or corporate America.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota, and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Big drums like "The Lion King" this morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Friday, February 19, 6 a.m. in the east. Alisyn is off. J.B. is here. We have a lot of news for you this morning.

We are now just hours away from the next two contests in the 2016 race. Six Republican hopefuls making this final push in South Carolina ahead of tomorrow's all-important GOP primary. So you have Trump, Bush, and Kasich last night with Anderson Cooper delivering their closing arguments to voters at the town hall.

All of it was overshadowed by Trump's war with Pope Francis, after His Holiness was suggesting what makes someone Christian versus not Christian, and that putting up walls and not building bridges is not what the gospel demands.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Meanwhile, a razor-tight race for the Democrats in Nevada going into tomorrow's caucuses. Hillary Clinton seeing her double-digit lead over Bernie Sanders completely evaporate. They're now in a virtual tie. Can Sanders pull off another win?

We begin our campaign coverage with CNN's Athena Jones. She's in Spartanburg, South Carolina, on the Republican race -- Athena.

ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Michaela.

Last night we saw a more demure, more toned-down Donald Trump, at least when it comes to this dust-up with the pope. And while the candidates have been battling it out for undecided voters here, last night was less about direct attacks on each other and more about each other making the case for why they should be the nominee.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JONES (voice-over): On night 2 of CNN's GOP town hall, Donald Trump toning down the rhetoric in his feud with the pope but turning up the heat on former president George W. Bush.

TRUMP: He started something that destroyed the Middle East. It started ISIS.

JONES: The billionaire questioning Bush's reasons for going to war in Iraq but dancing around a previous claim that Bush's administration lied about their knowledge of weapons of mass destruction.

TRUMP: Well, a lot of people agree with what I said. And I'm not talking about lying. I'm not talking about not lying. Nobody really knows why we went into Iraq.

I don't know what he did. I just know it was a terrible mistake.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: It was a mistake for you to say in that debate that you thought he lied?

TRUMP: I'd have to see the exact quote. Look, I would probably say that something was going on. I don't know why he went in.

JONES: Trump dismissing an interview with Howard Stern in 2002 where he made comments supporting the war.

COOPER: He asked you, "Are you for invading Iraq?"

You said, "Yes, I guess so. You know, I wish the first time it was done correctly." Is that accurate? You remember saying that?

TRUMP: No. But I mean, I could -- I could have said that. Nobody asked me. I wasn't a politician. It was probably the first time anybody asked me that question.

JONES: The front-runner backtracking after calling Pope Francis disgraceful for questioning his faith. The pope criticized Trump's continuous calls to build a wall as not Christian.

TRUMP: And he also talked about having a wall is not Christian. And he's got an awfully big wall at the Vatican, I will tell you.

I think it was probably a little bit nicer statement than it was reported by you folks in the media. I have a lot of respect for the pope. I think he's got a lot of personality.

JONES: His rivals, Jeb Bush and John Kasich, having mixed reactions to the pope's remarks.

KASICH: Here's what I will say: we have a right to build a wall. But I've got to tell you, there are too many walls between us. We need bridges between us if we're going to fix the problems in Washington. Because all they do is have walls.

BUSH: But I don't question people's Christianity. I think that's a relationship they have with their -- with their Lord and Savior and themselves. So I just don't think it's appropriate to question Donald Trump's faith. He knows what his faith is. And if he -- if he has a relationship with the Lord, fantastic. If he doesn't, it's none of my business.

JONES: Bush taking an apparent dig at Trump later, while listing the good things about being a self-proclaimed introvert.

BUSH: Listening allows you to learn, and then you have a chance to lead. And rather than, you know, being a big blowhard and just -- just talking all the time. What are you going to learn when you're talking? Nothing.

JONES: With his mother, former first lady, Barbara Bush, in the audience, Jeb gushed about his family.

BUSH: It's a blast being with George, because I love him dearly. I realized pretty quickly in my life if I could be half the man my dad was that that would be a pretty good goal.

JONES: And so did Kasich, the Ohio governor sharing how he grew in faith after losing his parents in a car accident.

KASICH: It's really where I found the Lord. Life is -- it's so rocky; it's so fragile. We have to build our homes, our lives on solid ground not on sand. And I have found that, even though the pain still comes, there's where I have to go.

JONES: So Kasich's compassionate side on display there last night. And if you watch him, it's interesting to see that some of Jeb Bush's most passionate remarks were about his family. Fitting on this final day, as the candidates are crisscrossing the state, making nearly two dozen spots among them. Bush will be hitting spots like this restaurant here in Spartanburg with his popular mother, the former first lady, Barbara Bush -- John.

BERMAN: All right. Athena Jones, thank you so much. If you crack that window just a little bit, you begin to see inside maybe a little bit of the real person. Just maybe.

Now, as we said, Donald Trump seems to be dialing back his war with Pope Francis, now blaming the media. Trump initially called the pope's comments questioning his faith disgraceful but seems to have changed his tone at a town hall last night.

CNN's Rosa Flores, she was on the plane when the pope made the comments. Rosa, you have been in the middle of this controversy from the beginning. You are now in Rome. What's going on?

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think context is important, John. And so I want to take you through the question and through the answer so that you can get a full picture.

[06:05:04] Here's the question. Pope Francis was asked, quote, "Republican Donald Trump, in an interview recently, said that you are a political man, and he even said that you are a pawn, an instrument of the Mexican government for migration politics. Trump said that if he's elected he wants to build 2,500 kilometers of wall along the border. He wants to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, separating families, et cetera. I would like to ask what do you think of these accusations against you and if the North American Catholic can vote for a person like this?

Now, here's what the pope responded, saying in part, "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be located, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel."

Now, Pope Francis also said that he can't tell people whether to vote or not to vote. But Chris and John, he also did not utter Donald Trump's name. Again, Donald Trump's name was in the question. So the pontiff was not exactly pointing a finger but speaking generically.

CUOMO: Rosie, good for you. I mean, we're both admitted Catholics and, you know, pope lovers. You don't have to be a Catholic to love the pope. And we both heard the pope say things like this a lot of times, about what is and what is not Christian, as opposed to someone, whether or not they are qualified as Christian or not. It's about the action.

Rosa, thank you very much.

Let's discuss. Let's bring in CNN political commentator and political anchor of Time Warner Cable News, Mr. Errol Lewis; and CNN political commentator and senior contributor for "The Daily Caller," who we were told would not have a shot up, but there he is, Matt Lewis. Good to have you both, my friends. So John was right. The headline last night was what happened

with the pope.

Errol, is Donald Trump right? He's wrong about the Vatican having a big wall around it. It's not entirely...

ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You can just walk in.

CUOMO: But let's put that to the side, because nobody is going to care whether he's right or wrong about that. Is he right that this is blown out of proportion by the media: Pope Francis wasn't coming at Donald Trump, saying he's not a Christian, and Trump wasn't being openly abusive of he pontiff?

LOUIS: Oh, no. I think it's a big deal. When the...

CUOMO: I tried. I tried to leaven it.

LOUIS: When the pope whispers, you know, it has a great deal of impact. And he knows that as well as anybody. And when he makes these pronouncements about actions that are or are not Christian, he's speaking with great authority. I mean, that is the whole meaning, in many ways, of his office. He has a very pastoral sort of job, as well. But in a lot of ways, he's just trying to guide people and say, "Look, this is what it is, and this is what it isn't."

And the reality is, and I'm glad she played the full quote, he has been under attack. Conservatives have been going after the pope for quite a while. They don't like his immigration policy. They don't like open borders. They don't like the way he cares for refugees.

Now, you know, he's a Christian -- he's a Christian leader. He doesn't care what most people think about that. but that's where he's coming from. And he's come under quite a lot of attack, including from Trump. It

was only a matter of time before some kind of answer came, some kind of clarity. Because these folks have been saying that this papal pronouncements, the papal policies, papal suggestions about what to do with refugees and immigrants is not to their liking. So OK, fine. If you want to pick a fight with the pope, the pope will answer. And he can whisper, and it sort of feels like a hurricane. And I think that's what Donald Trump discussed.

BERMAN: You know who can't whisper? Donald Trump. You know, he called what the pope said flat-out disgraceful. And Matt Lewis, if the lines are as clear as Errol makes them here, that this is a fight and that the pope is making a clear statement to the world, why then, is every other Republican candidate running for president, maybe save John Kasich, running away from this, refusing to get involved?

Marco Rubio says, "Well, you know, there is an issue with the border here."

Jeb Bush saying, "Yes, you shouldn't question someone's faith."

Ted Cruz saying, "Yes, I'm not getting involved in this."

Why are they all so scared?

MATT LEWIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I think part of it has to do with the fact the next primary is in South Carolina, which is not known for a large Catholic population, and where most of the Republican primary voters are probably with Donald Trump on the border issue.

So I think some of it is sort of immediately self-serving. I also think some of it frankly is. I mean, in all honesty, I think there is a sincere and legitimate objection to questioning somebody's faith. Even though he has questioned the faith of people like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson himself. So I think that all those factors play into it.

I would say that I am a little bit concerned, though, in general. You know, there was a time, obviously, when -- when a lot of evangelicals and Protestants were anti-Catholic. In recent years, a lot of those wounds have healed on the right in the conservative movement and the Republican Party. There have been a lot of bridges built between Catholics and evangelicals.

And obviously, you have Pope John Paul II and Ronald Reagan working very hand-in-hand to take down communism in the Soviet Union, ultimately. So it's sort of a troubling trend that we're seeing here. Thank you, Donald Trump.

CUOMO: Well, look, there's no question that what it means to be Christian in America is different than what Pope Francis envisions the love and mercy mandate of the faith. That's a much bigger discussion for a different day.

One of the things that gets drawn in the contrast here, Errol Louis, is the difference between a man who is all about humility and one who is openly anti-humility. Right? That's Trump's thing. We saw it last night on the war, OK? He backed off the proposition that George Bush lied. That's where he started in this. That's why he got resonance from us in the first place. This is what he said last night. Let's play the sound where Coop pushes him on it, and he takes a new take.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: One more chance. Either you believe he either lied or did not lie. Are you willing to say?

TRUMP: I don't know what he did. I just know it was a terrible mistake.

COOPER: So was it a mistake for you to say in that debate that you thought he lied?

TRUMP: I'd have to see the exact quote. Look, I don't know. I would probably say that something was going on. I don't know why he went in. I don't know why he went in. (END VIDEO CLIP)

CUOMO: This is a forensic event that we're seeing here right now. You don't get to do that in politics. When I catch you lying, and that's what it is. You say that this guy lied. Then you back off. Now you're lying about it, right, if you don't own it. He doesn't have to do that. Why?

LOUIS: Well, he doesn't have to do it, because he's never sold consistency as why you're supposed to support Donald Trump. And he doesn't make any pretense about it. He wiggles this way. He wiggles that way. He says he was -- you know, he was against going into Iraq in the first place. Nobody can find any statements to that effect. He says, "Well, I was a business time at the time. I talked to a lot of my friends about it." You know?

He doesn't really want any kind of consistency. He doesn't want any kind of a trail. I think, frankly, in the town hall format it really worked against him, because you could see how other people answered. And all of his rivals for the office, the highest office in the land, tried to be consistent, tried to be sort of forthcoming, tried to sort of, you know, acknowledge that they're trying to put together a coherent package of policies and statements and history so that voters can make a rational choice. Donald Trump never does that. And it's one thing to do in a big arena when there's a thousand people screaming your name. To do it in the kind of format that we saw, I thought was -- did not serve him well.

BERMAN: It's not consistent. It's not coherent. The question is: Do voters care? And Matt Lewis, as Errol is saying, it happened again with Donald Trump on this issue. He's claimed in debates, he's claimed in public repeatedly that he opposed the Iraq invasion, is the only candidate on the stage -- he always says that -- to oppose the Iraq invasion beforehand.

Well, it turns out -- and Anderson read him the quote last night -- that's not true, that he did not oppose the Iraq invasion in 2002. Let's play this exchange.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: I literally was just handed this. There's a report now out tonight on BuzzFeed that include -- I have not heard it. It includes an audio clip of what appears to be you on Howard Stern talking on the radio on September 11, 2002. He asked you, "Are you for invading Iraq?"

You said, "Yes, I guess so. You know, I wish the first time it was done correctly." Is that accurate? Do you remember saying that?

TRUMP: No, but I mean, I could -- I could have said that. Nobody asked me. I wasn't a politician. It was probably the first time anybody asked me that question.

COOPER: But does that...

TRUMP: But by the time the war started -- that was quite a bit before the war...

COOPER: Yes, this was 2002. The war began in 2003.

TRUMP: By the time the war started, I was against the war.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BERMAN: 2002, by the way, was when the actual vote was to authorize the war. That is when the time for choosing was, when you lined up and took sides on the Iraq invasion. I think both the magic and the outrage, Matt, of being Donald Trump is it doesn't matter. The record doesn't matter, and whether he says something, or true or not doesn't seem to matter. Why? Shouldn't it?

LEWIS: It doesn't, because he's a historical revisionist, and reality is what Donald Trump says. It's the Trump reality distortion field in full effect.

But look, there's no surprise he's inconsistent. What I find really interesting is this pattern that we're seeing, this sort of M.O. that Trump -- what Trump does. So he will come out and say something provocative and really outrageous. And what that does is, that causes us like catnip to sort of follow him. We're not talking today about Nikki Haley endorsing Marco Rubio. We're not talking about Justice Scalia, which that might help, maybe Ted Cruz. We're talking about Donald Trump and the pope a lot today, because he said this outrageous thing.

Then 24 hours later, he almost always walks it back a little bit, tones it down, sounds much more conciliatory, much more moderate. And people go, oh, what a nice guy. Oh, he's just -- you know, boys being boys.

This is really a pattern. And I think we fall for it because it's great. Donald Trump is irresistible to talk about, and he's utterly fascinating.

BERMAN: We fall for it. Just one last point I want to make, is people always say, why doesn't the media call him out on the fact that he's inconsistent or he's saying things that he didn't say? We do. I mean, it happens. We just did. It's happened before. It happens repeatedly. It just doesn't seem to matter.

LEWIS: And it's our -- I agree, and it's our responsibility. Like if we ignored it and didn't cover it, that would be, you know, worse, probably. He's basically manipulating the system. He's a master P.R. pro.

[06:15:05] CUOMO: Right. Except you just have to be careful about the pronoun. It's not we, the media; it's we, the people. The people are the ones who are keeping Trump up. The media are giving him a lot of attention, but they're the ones who are going to judge.

LEWIS: I consider -- I consider myself, certainly, part -- part of the problem. Look at how many things I have written about Donald... CUOMO: So do I. You're taking all this time in my segment.

LEWIS: About Donald Trump.

BERMAN: You are definitely part of the problem, Matt Lewis. No doubt on that.

CUOMO: Zip it up. Matt Lewis, Errol Lewis, thank you very much for being with us. We'll have more discussion on this this morning.

And in the 8 a.m. hour, we're going to bring on a presidential candidate. We have John Kasich with us. Why? Because he talked about things differently than a lot of men in this race do last night, and we're going to flesh it out some more. Stay with us -- Mick.

PEREIRA: The body of the late justice, Antonin Scalia, will lie in repose today at the Supreme Court. In just a few hours' time, a private ceremony will be held, followed by an all-day public viewing. President Obama and the first lady will pay their respects, but they will not attend Scalia's funeral tomorrow. That mass will be led by the iconic conservative justice's son, Father Paul Scalia.

BERMAN: All right. Caught on video: the moment a tour helicopter in Hawaii crashed near Pearl Harbor with five people on board. Four passengers surfaced within minutes. A fifth person was trapped underwater by a seatbelt; was cut loose by an eyewitness and a naval officer. This is just terrifying video. Oh, my goodness.

The passenger, a 16-year-old boy, is now fighting for his life in critical condition. The NTSB is now investigating the cause of the crash.

CUOMO: The battle for Nevada. We're going to take a break. We're going to talk about it when we come back. It is a metaphor for what's going on in the Democratic race right now. Why did it come down to being literally a hair separating these candidates? We're going to look at it and what it means for the race going forward.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[06:20:40] BERMAN: ... Hillary Clinton are neck and neck heading into the Nevada caucuses, which are tomorrow. Democrats vote tomorrow in Nevada. This race is so, so crucial. A lot has happened the last 24 hours. Bernie Sanders suggested that Hillary Clinton is using President Obama to secure the black vote. What did he mean?

Let's bring back CNN political commentator Errol Lewis and senior politics editor for "The Daily Beast," Jackie Kucinich.

I want to play some sound, Jackie, of Bernie Sanders in an interview with Marc Lamont Hill, who's our friend, whose interview then aired on BET. Actually, it's a full screen. I'm going to read it aloud, a dramatic reading from this interview that Marc did with Bernie Sanders. Let's put it up so we can see it right now.

It says, "Hillary Clinton is now trying to embrace the president as closely as she possibly can. Everything the president does is wonderful. She loves the president. He loves her. And all that stuff. And we know what that's about. That's trying to win support from the African-American community where the president is enormously popular."

"We know what that's about." Jackie, is that being dismissive of, first of all, Hillary Clinton's ties to President Obama? And is that being dismissive of the African-American vote?

JACKIE KUCINICH, SENIOR POLITICS EDITOR, "THE DAILY BEAST": I don't know if it's being dismissive of the African-American vote. But it -- Hillary Clinton certainly has her eye on South Carolina. And she certainly, in recent weeks, has been pulling the president close. So it's not inaccurate what he's saying. Maybe the spirit is a little cynical. But, you know, he's saying that she's trying to appeal to the African-American vote, and she certainly is.

CUOMO: Well, I mean, it's not a little anything. He's pandering, and we get what the play is. That's what he's supposed to do in this situation.

Here's the risk, though, Errol. Is that it makes it seem like Bernie Sanders is saying he's not that close to President Obama. He's not as embracing of him as Hillary Clinton is. That may or may not been his intention. But do you think it is read that way? And if so, the impact?

LOUIS: Well, I mean, that's certainly true. I also, you know, sort is of wonder why Bernie Sanders, the day after New Hampshire, flew down to Harlem to have breakfast with Al Sharpton at Sophie's.

KUCINICH: Right.

LOUIS: Right? I don't think that was some sort of a mistake. Right?

So I mean, when he travels around with Cornell West or he gets Ben Jealous, the former head of the NAACP, to endorse him, you know, yes, the appearance of politics and even, God forbid, ethnic and racial politics in the middle of a political campaign should not be all that surprising.

And, you know, when Bernie Sanders goes and sort of creates, you know, Latinos for Bernie or, you know, again, meets with Al Sharpton, he's doing exactly the same thing. And...

CUOMO: Is there something in this message where it seems like he's saying implicitly, "I don't believe in Obama as much as she does. I'm not going to do that"?

LOUIS: I think he's saying implicitly he doesn't have the same kind of hold. Right, exactly. He doesn't have the same claim on the administration as she does.

CUOMO: How damaging is it? LOUIS: Well, I don't know if it's damaging because, frankly, I

don't know whether -- we don't know whether or not it's temporary. We have to look at the political map. And we might find Hillary Clinton maybe migrating to some other constituency as she tries to work her way through this primary process and scoop up some delegates.

I mean, she's not going to be necessarily talking about this when she's campaigning, say, in Massachusetts. Right? I mean, her relationship to the president matters right now this week in South Carolina when she -- while she needs to stave off Bernie Sanders. What it will mean a week after that, who knows?

BERMAN: Yes, and talking about her campaign in South Carolina, what might help her there -- she's about to pick up an endorsement today, we believe, from Jim Clyburn, the senior Democrat in the state of South Carolina, key member of the Black Caucus, someone who has held out his endorsement for quite some time. He will give that endorsement at 11 a.m. today, on the show that I happen to anchor, "AT THIS HOUR." Eleven a.m. Tune in for that.

CUOMO: An excellent show.

BERMAN: But Jackie, the significance of this endorsement. Again, South Carolina for the Democrats is a week away. Can this help her in Nevada? Does this help her in general?

KUCINICH: I don't know if it helps her in Nevada. I was -- I was curious why it was coming a week out. But she has a pretty wide lead in Nevada -- or I'm sorry, in South Carolina. And she wants to keep that. She doesn't want to be fighting for her life in South Carolina next week, like she is in Nevada, which frankly, a couple weeks ago was on lock for Hillary Clinton. She definitely doesn't want to be doing that next week, as well.

CUOMO: Let me ask you something we haven't really talked about yet when it comes to Nevada. There's a weird part of the system in that state where you can vote in both caucuses. You can vote for the Democrats, and then you can go vote for the Republicans.

[06:25:10] And yes, they have same-day registration. But this is even more odd, that you can, you know, take a bite out of both apples. What can that mean in terms of strategic voters and how people may be being pushed to vote in both? I mean, that is a new factor that we haven't seen at play.

LOUIS: Yes, in fact, it's brand-new. And I don't know if anybody has figured out, certainly, in the campaigns, how to sort of manipulate that. You know, I mean...

CUOMO: But it does mean that, if you're a Republican, because they go second, you can have somebody vote for Bernie to take a shot at Hillary in Nevada. Why am I bringing it up? People in her camp are coming out with heavy theories that this is why you see it narrowing, because the Republicans are motivating people to Bernie's side to hurt her and then to help them, because they get to vote twice. LOUIS: Yes. I think of it as much more straightforward. You

know, I mean, I looked it up, and the average blackjack dealer in Las Vegas makes about $16,000 a year. So a Bernie Sanders raise, if he should get his $15 an hour minimum wage, would actually be a substantial increase for them. Hillary Clinton says, well, $12 an hour. To us, 12 versus 15 doesn't mean that much. Twelve versus 15 is something like a 25 percent increase. I think that's really where her problem is. Not some process question that her campaign is trying to spin.

He has a direct appeal to some of those low-wage workers. Again, the blackjack dealers, the chamber maids, the food service, the taxi drivers, they have a lot to -- they have a lot of reasons to be attracted to Bernie Sanders. And the fact that he's been spending a million dollars a week on ads is really sort of helping to bring that home.

BERMAN: It's hard enough to get people to vote once, let alone twice.

CUOMO: Right. Absolutely. But it is an odd thing. Check it out for yourself. Go online. You'll see it's a very usual thing. We'll see how it plays out. Thanks to both of you for being with us.

Remember, you want to join us Tuesday. We're going to have another CNN town hall. Why? Because they work really well. You get to see candidates. It's different when they talk to us. It's different when they talk to real voters. And you get this exchange of humanity, not just talking points.

Next Tuesday, 8 p.m. Eastern. The Democrats are up. South Carolina will be down there. And we really do suggest you get a different version there, Mick.

PEREIRA: All right. We'll look forward to that.

Meanwhile, will a planned cease-fire take effect in Syria today? What could delay critically-needed deal? We have a live report for you next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)