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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: ... no matter who the Republicans nominate.

[07:00:03] SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're doing something very radical. We're telling the truth.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CAMEROTA: Good morning, everyone. Welcome back to your NEW DAY.

So much to talk about, even during commercial breaks. The Republican race getting uglier and stranger. The GOP debate in Detroit last night looking more like a frat house food fight. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz exchanging insults and personal attacks with Donald Trump, who even bragged about the size of his manhood.

CUOMO: The candidates stopped fighting long enough to agree on one thing. Despite the fact that they were all calling each other basically the worst people to ever run, they each vowed to support the eventual nominee, even with all these efforts now ramping up to keep Trump from being that nominee.

So what do you hear? What do you believe? Let's give you all the facts the way only CNN can. Let's start with Phil Mattingly in the Motor City -- Phil.

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris.

A remarkable day in the history of the Republican Party, starting with a battle between Mitt Romney and Donald Trump and finishing with a raucous and unwieldy schoolyard fight, basically, here in Detroit. One thing is certain: there is serious urgency for the three candidates not named Donald Trump.

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MATTINGLY (voice-over): Off-color.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He hit my hands. Nobody has ever hit my hands. I've never heard of this one. Look at those hands. Are those small hands? And he referred to my hands, "If they're small, something else must be small." I guarantee you there's no problem. I guarantee it. MATTINGLY: Then off the rails.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: I have a policy question for you, sir.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let's see if he answers it.

D. TRUMP: I will. Don't worry about it, Marco. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it, Little Marco. I will.

RUBIO: All right, well, let's hear it, Big Don. Big Donald.

D. TRUMP: Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it, Little Marco.

MATTINGLY: In mere minutes, Thursday night's Republican debate turned into a personal affair and stayed that way all night.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Count to 10, Donald. Count to 10.

MATTINGLY: Three candidates desperate to stop one: Donald Trump. Florida Senator Marco Rubio on full attack, just trying to stay alive with a big March 15 win in his home state of Florida.

RUBIO: And he's asking us to make him the president of the United States of America. This is not a game.

MATTINGLY: Texas Senator Ted Cruz joining the fight, pushing for a one-on-one match-up with Trump.

CRUZ: But if, in fact, you went to Manhattan and said, "I'm lying to the American people," then the voters have a right to know.

D. TRUMP: No, no. You're the liar; you're the lying guy up here. You're the one.

CRUZ: You've lied too many times. Why don't you release the tapes? Release the tapes.

D. TRUMP: You're the one. Now let me just tell you -- let me just tell you, excuse me, I've given my answer, Lying Ted.

MATTINGLY: Ohio Governor John Kasich continuing to believe his lower volume pitch will get him through his own must-win March 15 contest in his home state.

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have never tried to go and get into these kind of scrums that we're seeing here on the stage. And people say everywhere I go, "You seem to be the adult on the stage."

MATTINGLY: Time running out for all of Trump's challengers; attacking in an effort to stop his momentum, targeting his political donations.

CRUZ: Donald Trump has written checks to Hillary Clinton not once, not twice, not three times. Ten times.

Donald Trump, in 2008 wrote four checks to elect Hillary Clinton as president.

MATTINGLY: His business practices.

RUBIO: Ever heard of Trump Steaks? You ever heard of Trump Vodka?

D. TRUMP: You know what, you know what? You know what? Take a look at Trump Steaks.

RUBIO: All of these companies that he's ruined.

MATTINGLY: And even his character.

RUBIO: He has spent a career convincing Americans that he's something that he's not in exchange for their money. Now he's trying to do the same in exchange for their country.

MATTINGLY: Everyone, from candidates to moderators, attempting to pin Trump down, citing two interviews with CNN's NEW DAY, where Trump appeared to flip-flop.

CUOMO: What about in Afghanistan? Do you believe that American boots should stay on the ground in Afghanistan to stabilize the situation?

TRUMP (via phone): We made a terrible mistake getting involved there just in the first place. That thing will collapse about two seconds after they leave. Just as I said that Iraq was going to collapse after we leave.

CAMEROTA: About Afghanistan, you said we made a terrible mistake getting involved there in the first place.

D. TRUMP: We made a mistake going into Iraq. I've never said we made a mistake going into Afghanistan.

CAMEROTA: Our question was about Afghanistan. That day when our...

D. TRUMP: OK. I never said that.

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MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: How is any of this telling it like it is?

D. TRUMP: Well, on Afghanistan, I did mean Iraq. And that one, if you notice, I corrected it the second day.

MATTINGLY: In fact, CNN's reporting was prevalent in the debate. D. TRUMP: CNN just came out with a poll. Excuse me, a national

poll, a national poll where he's at 15; he's at 14. And I'm at 49.

Are you at 15 in the new CNN poll? Do you believe in CNN?

CRUZ: I watched a CNN interview Donald did. MATTINGLY: This network being brought up a dozen times. The clock is

now ticking for Trump's competitors, to stop him before he moves on to the next battle.

D. TRUMP: I beat Hillary Clinton in many polls. The Pew poll just came out. I beat Hillary Clinton in a recent FOX poll. I beat Hillary Clinton in "USA Today." I beat her today in a poll in Ohio. I'm the only one that beats Hillary Clinton. And I haven't -- I have not started on Hillary yet. Believe me, I will start, too. I haven't even started.

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[07:05:06] PEREIRA: Our thanks to Phil Mattingly.

Meanwhile, CNN's Dana Bash caught up with Trump right after the debate; got his take on the night.

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DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: What did you think of the debate?

D. TRUMP: I thought it was great. I think they did a very good job. And I thought it was very fair. I actually thought it was going to be tougher. I thought it would be more violent. But it was good. I thought...

BASH: Thought it would be more violent than it was?

D. TRUMP: Well, I thought it was tough. But I thought it was going to be worse.

BASH: I can't believe I'm going to ask you this question. But do you realize that you're probably the first person in American history, maybe even world history, to make a joke about your you-know-what on a debate stage?

D. TRUMP: No, I only made a joke about my hands. I have very powerful hands.

BASH: You went a little further than that.

D. TRUMP: Look at these hands. Aren't they beautiful? I have very powerful hands and large hands, relatively large hands. And a politician was -- said I didn't have large hands. It's the first time anyone has ever said that one. So no, I think it was a very -- I think it was a good moment.

BASH: Mrs. Trump, what did you think of that moment?

MELANIA TRUMP, WIFE OF DONALD D. TRUMP: It was a great moment. OK? No, it was fine. You know, he was attacked. And Marco Rubio attacked him, and he responded.

BASH: What was going through your mind when Ted Cruz said more than once that you should breathe?

D. TRUMP: I didn't even know if he said that. Did he say that?

BASH: Yes.

D. TRUMP: I really don't know. I don't think Ted had a very good night. But I think that -- and I think we did have a very good night. But I found it to be very interesting. I did not find it to be as tough as I thought.

BASH: Mr. Trump, can I just ask you one more question about Mitt Romney? You were very clear in saying that you opposed him personally and politically and so on and so forth. But what about the concept of him saying that people should vote for anybody but you? It seems as though he wants to take it all the way to the convention.

D. TRUMP: Failed candidate. He failed horribly. It's an election that he should have won. He choked. I mean, it's pure and simple. And when a person chokes, once they choke, they always choke.

Marco choked. That means he's going to choke. When Chris Christie was grilling him, it was a total joke.

When Mitt Romney got -- I don't know what happened. He got the nomination, and he just choked like a dog. And he knows I know that. and I said it to him very loud and clear. I was very unhappy. I spent a lot of time with him. I spent a lot of money on him and a lot of effort. And he went away for, like, the month prior. He wasn't anywhere. Nobody could find him. And the last person we need running is Mitt Romney. So he knows -- he knows how I feel about it, and obviously, he's not too happy.

BASH: One last question: If, for some reason, you don't get the magic number of delegates you need, 1,237, before the convention, do you feel confident that, if there is a contested convention, you'll be the victor?

TRUMP: No, I don't feel confident, but I think there's certainly a good chance. I will certainly have the most delegates by far. I already do. I'm way in the front. And I think I'm going to have a very good Saturday. We're going to have is a very good Tuesday. We'll see what happens. I certainly had the best super Tuesday before. You know, and I think even you would even admit that, right?

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CAMEROTA: Joining us now is Sam Clovis. He's co-chairman and policy adviser for the Trump campaign. Good morning, Sam.

SAM CLOVIS, CO-CHAIRMAN/POLICY ADVISER, TRUMP CAMPAIGN: How are you, Alisyn?

CAMEROTA: I'm doing well.

So what a debate last night. Analysts are calling it all sorts of different... CLOVIS: If you want to call it that.

CAMEROTA: What do you call it? How do you describe it?

CLOVIS: If you want to call it that. Well, I don't know. I think it's really, you know, sad when we degenerate into that -- that kind of activity up there. And because I think, really, it cheats the American people. The ball's not going to move. I mean, it didn't move the needle for anybody. And I think we're still out in front, way out in front. And I think we're going to stay out in front.

So...

CAMEROTA: But Sam...

CLOVIS: ... this is what happens. I think when you get to -- listen, this is what happens. When you have the 12th debate or whatever number it is, there's only so many ways you can ask questions. There's only so many ways you can ask gotcha questions. There's only so many ways you can confront people up there. And after a while, it's tiresome.

CAMEROTA: But Sam, you're making it sound as though the moderators are the people who made degenerate. Donald Trump was the person who talked about the size of his hands. Let me play that moment for you.

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TRUMP: He's really not that much of a lightweight. And as far as -- and I have to say this, I have to say this, he hit my hands. Nobody has ever hit my hands. I've never heard of this one. Look at those hands. Are they small hands? And he referred to my hands. If they're small, something else must be small. I guarantee you, there is no problem. I guarantee you.

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CAMEROTA: Sam, that's your candidate. He went there.

CLOVIS: Well, it was the start of the issue there. And I think he brought it up, and I thought it was a light moment for me. I thought it was funny. And it was probably, at that point in time, it was probably the right way to go with that. Because it just puts it on the table and said, "If we're going to talk about this stuff out on the campaign trail, let's get it out here on the stage and let's talk about it."

[07:10:08] And so it was over, and then they moved in.

I think what we really -- what we see here and what I've talked to you about and what I've talked to a lot of other commentators about, is that I don't think that the donor class, the media class, or anybody else, I don't think they're getting what's going on in this country or they're in utter denial of it. And I think last night or yesterday when we watched Mitt Romney, we

saw a classic case of that. They're in total denial of what's going on in this country. Thirty years the establishment of either party has failed the American people, and the American people are upset about it. And they're tired of being told -- patted on the head and told to go stand in the corner; we'll take care of it. Well, you haven't fixed it. You haven't fixed any of it. So why should we believe you?

We have a guy who shows the leadership and the style that is necessary out there. And people are flocking to him. We've had record turnout in every state so far. Record turnout.

Now, that doesn't happen by accident. So this is all because we have a person who shows the leadership skills and who is tapping into what's going on in this country like no one else has in a long, long time.

I haven't seen anything like this since Ronald Reagan.

CAMEROTA: Sam, we have heard from all sorts of Trump supporters that they do feel betrayed and sort of shunted aside by the GOP establishment. And that is part of his appeal.

What's happening now is that the establishment seems to be coalescing to point out to voters that Donald Trump has some inconsistencies, at best, in his positions. And this came up last night. The moderators tried to point this out.

Go ahead, Sam. Let me hear you, and then I'm going to show you illustrations.

CLOVIS: Do you think -- OK. Do you think for a minute that the Trump supporters are going to listen to people who have lied to them, who now suddenly realize that this man might be human, that there might be consistencies, that as he's grown older, he's matured and changed positions on issues as he becomes more informed, he becomes more solid in his positions? Does this really -- does this really think that this is going to change anything? I think this goes right to the heart of why he appeals to so many people and why the chattering class and the media and the donors and the establishment out there, they're still not getting it.

And the fact of the matter, they're calling the American voters stupid by saying that they support Donald Trump. That's in essence what Mitt Romney did yesterday.

CAMEROTA: Sam, there was a moment last night where the moderators pointed out that Donald Trump seems to have shifted positions on support for Afghanistan and what to do about Afghanistan. Let me play this moment based on a NEW DAY interview.

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CUOMO: What about in Afghanistan? Do you believe that American boots should stay on the ground in Afghanistan to stabilize the situation? TRUMP (via phone): We made a terrible mistake getting involved there

just in the first place. That thing will collapse about two seconds after they leave. Just as I said that Iraq was going to collapse after we leave.

CAMEROTA: About Afghanistan, you said we made a terrible mistake getting involved there in the first place.

D. TRUMP: We made a mistake going into Iraq. I've never said we made a mistake going into Afghanistan.

CAMEROTA: Our question was about Afghanistan. That day when our...

D. TRUMP: OK. I never said that. OK, wouldn't matter. I never said it.

KELLY: And there are many other examples. So how is any of this telling it like it is?

TRUMP: Well, on Afghanistan, I did mean Iraq.

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CAMEROTA: OK, Sam. So you say that these shifting positions are human. People are allowed to change. But don't voters deserve to hear where their candidate really feels about health care, about the war? Things like that?

CLOVIS: I think they have.

Again, I go right to the heart of this. You're saying the American voters don't know this, that the American voters haven't seen this for the last seven months, that the American voters are not aware of any of this, that the fact we've had a record number of people turn out in all of these primaries and caucuses, that you think they don't know or they don't care?

I can't believe this. And the whole issue here is that you're -- what we're saying here is the American voters are stupid. And I don't think that's what you intend, because I know you better than that. But that's certainly the way the message comes across. We don't know any better. We're not smart enough. We can't figure this out for ourselves. So yes, I'm glad somebody came along and told me how dumb I was for supporting Donald Trump.

Is that really the message we want here? I know that's not your message, Alisyn. But I think that's the message that comes across when we start to hear all of these other people chattering about this.

CAMEROTA: And so, Sam, your point is that, despite fluctuating positions some might call flip-flop, that voters still like Donald Trump, because they believe he's a leader?

CLOVIS: They believe he's a leader. They believe he's the -- the fact of the matter is, he's the only one that's not taking money from everybody that Christ died for out here. And that all of this other stuff is going on out here. He's the person that is going to stand up for them.

They have found a champion in Donald Trump, because they have asked in 2010 to have the House put back in the hands of the Republicans. And what happened? Mitt Romney lost miserably in 2012. We gave the Senate to the Republicans in 2014, and what happened? We now have this incredible, horrible spending bill we have out here. We've seen no movement on any issues. We see a cowering and timid Republican leadership, and we also see a totally in effectiveness of Congress in general.

[07:15:24] And why? Why? We've told them what we want. The American people have told them over and over what we want done. And yet nothing happens. And yet they tell us, "Yes, we'll fix it." All these politicians standing up on the stage saying, "Yes, we'll fix it." Well, why haven't you? You've had 30 years. Why haven't you fixed it?

CAMEROTA: Same, we would sure love to ask the candidate, Donald Trump, some of these questions. He hasn't been on NEW DAY for eight weeks. Please give us -- please give him the invitation from us to come on any time.

CLOVIS: I will.

CAMEROTA: Thanks so much, Sam. Great to talk to you.

CLOVIS: I will. Thanks, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right. Next week is March Madness on CNN. Tomorrow, tune in for Super Saturday coverage anchored by Chris. Then Sunday, the next Democratic debate, in Flint, Michigan, followed by the premier of the new CNN series, "RACE TO THE WHITE HOUSE." Next Tuesday is the next Super Tuesday night. Wednesday brings another Democratic debate in Miami. And Thursday, a Republican debate in Miami. We have a full week of political events right here on CNN -- Chris.

CUOMO: You can't say you're not getting enough chances to look at these candidates and make a choice. The question is what are they doing with these chances? Personal attacks and insults certainly hit new lows in last night's "GOP debate," in quotes. How's that going to play in a general election? Is this the start of the party breaking up on the GOP side?

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[07:20:45] CUOMO: All right. Couldn't let your kids watch it. Not even my soon-to-be teenager. Not really. She actually walked away from it. But last night's Republican debate was certainly showing you which way this campaign is headed.

Donald Trump is certainly at the top. And last night he went over the top in terms of what he said defending his own manhood. But he was really a pinata for Rubio and Cruz last night. This ugliness is actually a means to an end. So let's discuss what that means.

CNN political analyst and presidential campaign correspondent for no less than the "New York Times," Maggie Haberman. So general headlines, please.

MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I don't know where to begin. There's no general headline. There's five general headlines. There's the one about a major presidential candidate talking about his genitals on stage.

CUOMO: He says it was about his hands.

HABERMAN: Or whatever. Right. OK. I mean, so it wasn't, and we all know it wasn't. And he volunteered it. It wasn't even as if this was asked of him. He just sort of mentioned it.

CUOMO: The crowd went wild, Maggie. Don't forget that.

HABERMAN: No question about that. There is the fact that you had Rubio and Cruz basically tag-teaming against him. If they were not coordinating, it sure looked like it. You had Kasich sort of running his own happy, positive debate, although he still wouldn't answer any of the direct questions put to him.

And at the end of the day, all I could think was Mitt Romney made -- for Republicans who were trying to stop Trump and make a negative case against him, Mitt Romney did a much more effective one several hours earlier, because it was clear and it was concise.

This was kitchen sink invective. This was everybody throwing, you know, different things across the stage at Trump. The moderators, the other candidates. And I'm not sure how much anyone took from it, other than, you know, the hands line at the beginning and then some vague references to Trump University, which I do think broke through a bit.

CAMEROTA: The backdrop leading up to this was incredible. I mean, all day the high drama leading up to it. Because you did hear from Mitt Romney. You heard from John McCain. Establishment Republicans were coming out, sort of with a bull horn, saying, "You need to see what this man is promising." So let's just play a little portion from what Mitt Romney said yesterday before the debate.

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MITT ROMNEY (R), 2012 PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing the members of the American public for suckers. He gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: OK, Maggie, good line. None of Trump's supporters care what Mitt Romney says. They don't care. In fact, it only energizes him. He represents everything that they're voting against: the establishment, the false promises, the hypocrisy. They don't care what he says.

HABERMAN: I think Sam Clovis said something interesting to you before that I think is true, which is that there is a difference between criticizing Trump and sounding like you're criticizing Trump's supporters or what people are upset about. And I think that has been a real problem for the party.

I do think what Mitt Romney did was different. And it's being lumped in with what Trump's opponents are doing. And it's not the same thing. Mitt Romney is a former party nominee who gave a major speech and basically stood there, did not address the fact that he himself asked for Trump's endorsement in 2012, a point that Trump made on Twitter.

CAMEROTA: Right.

HABERMAN: And he's right.

CAMEROTA: Hypocrisy?

HABERMAN: And something that Romney could have addressed and probably should have if he wanted to speak...

CUOMO: You know why he didn't address it.

HABERMAN: I do know why.

CUOMO: One word that gets applied to him in this current environment: loser. That's what he is. He's discounted. We know from polls 75 plus percent of people who say they're for Trump say they will not change their mind.

HABERMAN: Yes.

CUOMO: So all right, you're not going to drain all of his supporters. That's the fact.

HABERMAN: No.

CUOMO: So what is going on here? Arguably, the dissolution of the GOP as we know it. Hostile takeover by Trump.

HABERMAN: Absolutely.

CUOMO: And we're headed to a convention. Now, what are those dynamics at play? Because that's the story.

HABERMAN: No question. Your point about the dissolution of the party as we know it is the big headline. And that's why what Romney did is so significant. They're trying to do two things. They're basically trying to burn down the village in order to save it, No. 1.

I mean, essentially, you look at where Trump's support in. And I know in national polls, he's approaching 50. In the contest that he's been in, with the exception of places like Massachusetts, where he did incredibly well. But in some of these states where you had ads run against him, he did

stay below 35 percent in Iowa where there were ads against him. He didn't win. And so that's where the anti-Trumps are casting their hopes, to try to keep him below a certain number and keep this going to the convention

CUOMO: An RNC guy explained it to me this way. You'll like this. He said, "Right now, we're going full chemo on this. We're trying to obliterate the area."

HABERMAN: That's exactly right.

CUOMO: "Then we're going to amputation at the convention."

CAMEROTA: That is awfully graphic. Here's another graphic example.

HABERMAN: Wishful thinking, maybe.

[07:25:05] CAMEROTA: I mean, this is -- to your point of the scorched-earth philosophy, this came from Rick Perry's senior director. Rick Perry, of course, ran for president, unsuccessfully. This is from Jamie Johnson, who says, last night during the debate: "My party is committing suicide on national television."

I mean, do these terms of chemo, and amputation and suicide get any more stark of how the party feels about this?

HABERMAN: No. I mean, but on the other hand, this is the -- this is what was amazing, watching last night. Ted Cruz, who was a very, very skilled debater, as we know and have heard for a long time, showed that last night. He stayed calm. He was sort of condescending to Trump...

CUOMO: Very.

HABERMAN: ... in a way that people normally are not.

And all you can think, watching this, is again, what took you so long? If people had been trying to do this months ago, people who are now saying he must be stopped, he must be stopped, now that he's won 10 states.

CUOMO: There's a reason that you usually do this early.

HABERMAN: Right.

CUOMO: The personal disqualifying attacks generally do come early. You know, Alisyn will go then, you know, "Cuomo shouldn't even be in this race. Here's 10 reasons why."

HABERMAN: Well, she said that before.

CUOMO: And there's a lot of merit to that. And if it were me, you could keep it thematically consistent, and it would be fine.

But here they're not doing what they need to do to make any progress in this. They're not offering anything better than Trump.

HABERMAN: That is right. It is all...

CUOMO: They're saying Trump sucks. That's the case right now.

HABERMAN: It's all a negative case. I totally agree.

CAMEROTA: But aren't they -- they're also spelling out their plans. I mean...

CUOMO: What did you hear last night? What did you hear from anyone on that stage, except Kasich?

HABERMAN: Yes. No, I agree.

CUOMO: Which is where "Donald Trump wants this. I want this." It was either a label -- "He's not a real conservative; I am" -- or it's "Me, because you're terrible."

HABERMAN: That's right. There's no -- there's no affirmative case that anybody is making. Although a Cruz person just took issue with me on Twitter for saying that. But I do think that that is the truth.

CUOMO: Not last night, though.

HABERMAN: Kasich is making -- Kasich...

CUOMO: It wasn't there last night.

HABERMAN: No, it was not. Kasich did make an affirmative case. It just wasn't an affirmative case that's actually based on answering some of the questions put to him. But it's a positive message at the very least, delivered with a smile. That is not what you're seeing with Rubio and Cruz at all.

CAMEROTA: Maggie, always great to get your insight.

HABERMAN: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Thanks so much for being here.

Let's get over to Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right. Marco Rubio on the attack against Donald Trump but says that he would support Trump if he becomes the nominee. So what is Rubio's strategy to keep that from being necessary? We're going to talk with one of his advisers, next.

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