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SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: What I saw literally shattered me.
[05:58:30] HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let's have some facts instead of some rhetoric for a change.
SANDERS: Well, let me tell you. I don't want to break the bad news. Democrats are not always right.
CLINTON: America didn't stop being great.
SANDERS: Some of your friends destroyed this economy.
CLINTON: You know...
SANDERS: Excuse me, I'm talking.
SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Someone keeps punching people in the face, eventually someone will have to stand up and punch them back.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I call for them to drop out of the race.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Our campaign has beaten him not once, not twice, not three times.
TRUMP: I'd love to take on Ted one-one-one.
JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Today the world is mourning the loss of Nancy Reagan.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was a good, good lady.
NANCY REAGAN, FORMER FIRST LADY OF THE UNITED STATES: When you balance it all out, I've had a pretty fabulous life.
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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to NEW DAY. It is Monday, March 7, 6 a.m. in the East.
Up first, a fiery showdown in Flint, Michigan. Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton exchanging their sharpest attacks to date during last night's CNN debate. The tone more heated than ever. The candidates clashing on the economy, guns and ties to Wall Street.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Sanders and Clinton also taking on Donald Trump, each claiming they are best suited to take him down in a general election.
But first, tomorrow, that's when some big prizes are up for grabs. We have all the angles covered, starting with senior political correspondent, Brianna Keilar. She's live in Detroit.
Good morning, Brianna.
BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.
Because of the location of this debate, certainly, Flint, Michigan, and its water crisis was a big focus. But Michigan is also a labor stronghold, and you saw Hillary Clinton landing some punches on the auto bailout. Bernie Sanders landing some punches on the trade agreements that Hillary Clinton supported in the '90s.
But it was also the tone that got a lot of attention.
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CLINTON: It is raining lead in Flint. And the state is derelict enough coming forward with the money that is required.
KEILAR (voice-over): With Michigan's primary looming, contaminated water and lost jobs dominated.
SANDERS: Children in America should not be poisoned.
KEILAR: Senator Bernie Sanders and Secretary Hillary Clinton sparring more aggressively than ever before over Wall Street ties and the economy.
CLINTON: I voted to save the auto industry. He voted against the money that ended up saving the auto industry.
SANDERS: If you are talking about the Wall Street bailout where some of your friends destroyed this economy...
CLINTON: You know...
SANDERS: Excuse me, I'm talking.
CLINTON: If you're going to talk, tell the whole story.
SANDERS: Let me tell my story. You tell yours.
CLINTON: I will. KEILAR: Sanders supported a stand-alone auto bailout bill that
failed, but voted against a larger bill that included money to bail out Wall Street and money to bail out the auto companies. Sanders cutting Clinton off a second time to make his point.
SANDERS: I said let the billionaires themselves bail out Wall Street. Shouldn't be the middle class of this country.
CLINTON: OK.
SANDERS: Wait a minute. Can I finish? You'll have your turn.
KEILAR: Clinton optimistic about growing the economy.
CLINTON: We're going to the stop this kind of job exporting, and we're going to start importing and growing jobs again.
KEILAR: Only to be slammed by Sanders over trade agreements she supported two decades ago.
SANDERS: I am very glad, Anderson, that Secretary Clinton has discovered religion on this issue. But it's a little bit too late. Secretary Clinton supported virtually every one of these disastrous trade agreements written by corporate America.
KEILAR: And butting heads again over gun control.
SANDERS: Essentially your position is there should not be any guns in America, period.
CLINTON: That is like the NRA...
SANDERS: Can I...
CLINTON: No.
SANDERS: Can I finish, please?
KEILAR: Post-debate, Clinton's campaign chair telling me Sanders's performance was a disappointment.
JOHN PODESTA, HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN: He repeatedly said he wants to run a positive campaign. In recent days, it seems a little more negative, a little more desperate. And I thought his tone tonight bordered on the disrespectful.
KEILAR: The Sanders campaign dismissing the charge as a distraction.
JEFF WEAVER, BERNIE SANDERS CAMPAIGN MANAGER: They don't want to talk about her bad trade record. They don't want to talk about her record of taking Wall Street contributions. They don't want to talk about these things. It was really a bad night for the Clinton people.
(END VIDEOTAPE) KEILAR: So here on the eve of the Michigan primary, how is this
race shaping up? The latest NBC News/"Wall Street Journal" poll shows Hillary Clinton with a 17-point lead among likely primary voters.
But Michaela, I was talking to a Sanders aide who says their internal polls show things a lot closer. And this is not a winner- take-all primary. This is delegates awarded proportionally tomorrow night. And that's why he's been fighting so hard, trying to get closer to a split in those delegates for Hillary Clinton.
MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, they both had some fight in them over the weekend. Brianna, thank you for that.
As she mentioned, four states up for grabs tomorrow, following a weekend of split decisions. Bernie Sanders is hoping to build that momentum after capturing three of four contests from Hillary Clinton. Ted Cruz, meanwhile, keeping pressure on Donald Trump with two big wins this weekend. Can he make it a two-man race after tomorrow?
Here to break it all down, Mr. CNN anchor, John Berman, no sleep for you.
JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, Michaela.
This weekend was a little bit like a kids' soccer league. Everyone won something. Bernie Sanders here, he picked up three states: Kansas, Nebraska, Maine. Hillary Clinton's only win came in Louisiana, but that was the state with the most delegates at stake, and she won by a very big margin. She now has 12 states total under her belt. Bernie Sanders has eight. This puts Hillary Clinton pretty far ahead in the delegate count: 1,147 for her, 498 for him.
Yes, this does include super delegates. But even without the super delegates, Hillary Clinton about 200 delegates in front right now. She's about halfway to the total she needs to clinch the nomination.
As for tomorrow 188 delegates at stake: Michigan, the biggest prize. Mississippi also votes.
Now, Republicans: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, they both won two states this weekend, although Ted Cruz's margins were very, very big. Donald Trump's very, very small.
Marco Rubio won in Puerto Rico. He picked up all 23 delegates there. Puerto Rico could vote in the primaries, of course, not the general election.
Donald Trump now has 12 total state wins. Ted Cruz has six. Marco Rubio has won in Minnesota and Puerto Rico.
Ted Cruz is creeping up in the delegate race. He now has 302 to Donald Trump's 389. Ted Cruz won the most delegates this weekend. That is important to note.
[06:05:10] Looking ahead, a total of 150 delegates up for grabs tomorrow. The biggest prize in Michigan, also Mississippi, Idaho, and the state of Hawaii. They all vote tomorrow.
And then, one week from tomorrow, Chris and Alisyn, everyone's heads explode, because you have Ohio. You have Florida. You have all these winner-take-all states. It starts to get a little bit serious pretty soon.
CAMEROTA: Very soon. All right. Let us know when that happens.
BERMAN: All right.
CUOMO: Look, it is a big change when you go from proportional to winner-take-all. There's no question. You're trying to get ready for it if you're a contender at this point.
So let's tackle all of this. Let's start with breaking down of the key moments from last night's Democratic debate. So let's bring back CNN's Brianna Keilar. Let's bring in CNN political commentator and political anchor at Time Warner Cable News, Errol Louis; and CNN political contributor and senior contributor for The Daily Caller, brother Matt Lewis.
All right. So it's good to have everybody here this morning. Just in case you did not have your eyes stuck to the TV for the hours of the debate last night, here is a good look at what you're going to hear talked about all morning long we'll call the digs last night. Here's the whole debate in one minute.
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SANDERS: Secretary Clinton supported virtually every one of these disastrous trade agreements written by corporate America.
CLINTON: If everybody had voted the way he did, I believe the auto industry would have collapsed, taking 4 million jobs with it.
SANDERS: One of us has a super PAC. One of us has raised $15 million from Wall Street for that super PAC. One of us has given speeches on Wall Street for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
CLINTON: Here in Michigan, there's been $11 billion in recent years used to support exports primarily from small businesses. I favor that. He's opposed it.
SANDERS: I don't think it's a great idea for the American taxpayer to have to subsidize through corporate welfare, profitable corporations who downsize in the United States of America.
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CUOMO: You got a good look at the two different cases being made. Errol Louis, your take?
ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I thought it was a refutation of what we normally assume, which is that elections are about the future. It was like a walk down memory lane, going back to the bailout, going back to the trade agreements from the 1990s. CUOMO: Good. I had no gray hair. It was great.
LOUIS: So 20 years of history, and I'm sure that anybody who was under, say, 50 years old was probably mystified by why this is the main debate. And frankly, it's not entirely clear that the voters are going to respond to any of this stuff. I mean, it is a big part of the case that's being made by Bernie Sanders.
But I think this might be why he's having problems catching up in the delegate count, having some problems winning in some key sectors. People do not want to talk about the '90s.
You know, the bailout, I thought was devastating for her to talk about how he had posed the auto bailout. I mean, that was, sort of game, set and match.
CUOMO: For him.
LOUIS: For him.
CAMEROTA: For that audience in particular in Michigan.
Brianna, speaking of the audience and how it all played there, you know, the gloves came off, as we've been saying during this debate. And he tried to silence her a few times when he felt she was interrupting him. And some people read that as condescending. How did it play in the room?
KEILAR: You know, what I understand, because I actually was not in the room, but from my colleagues who were, they say that people sort of sat up straight. I think they did take note of that.
And certainly, people who are observing their onsite thought, wow, that's a moment.
What I think is that the Clinton campaign thinks that's something that might play worse with women, that they might be less of a fan of that. But talking to Bernie Sanders supporters, they think that it's -- it's a distraction. They think that basically, it is sort of a way for the Clinton campaign to allege sexism here.
But back to Errol's point on the auto bailout, nuance is lost on that. What really surprised me about Bernie Sanders's answer was that he didn't defend himself very well. Because he actually did vote for the stand-alone auto bailout bill. It failed.
And then, when the money was carved out of the Wall Street bailout, which was something George Bush did, there was another vote on this larger package. He didn't vote for it, because most of it was the Wall Street package. And it was something that he was not in favor of.
Debbie Stabenow, for instance, the senator from Michigan, she voted in first against the Wall Street bailout. She then wanted the auto bailout funds. It failed. And then she voted for the bigger part of the Wall Street bailout that had the auto bailout funds in it. All of that, of course, gets lost. There should have been a way
to assert that he was behind the auto bailout. This is something that does play in Michigan. Barack Obama took Mitt Romney down on this after his op-ed, titled, "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt." So it is something that certainly resonates with a lot of people here in this labor stronghold.
[06:10:04] CUOMO: Fair point. Matt Lewis, was last night one of the only times in your life that you've been just a little bit jealous and desirous of being a Democrat just because of the nature of the discourse on the stage?
MATT LEWIS, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Yes. No talk about Bernie Sanders's hands, or how big or small they are. It was, you know, an elevated debate comparatively.
I think it's interesting, though, because if Donald Trump is the nominee, you could see some similar dynamics there. You could Trump hitting Hillary in a general election debate about trade deals and coziness with Wall Street. And you could see the potential -- go back to Rick Lazio invading Hillary Clinton in that New York senate debate years ago. You could see there the dangers of debating a woman if you're a man and, you know, how you can potentially overstep. I think Bernie Sanders came very close there. And I would love to see how that played among female Democratic voters who were watching.
CAMEROTA: Errol, let's talk about the races that happened this weekend. Bernie Sanders won Kansas, Maine, Nebraska. Hillary Clinton won Louisiana. Does this give him the argument that, yes, of course he presses on?
LOUIS: Sure. I mean, the momentum argument is one that I think Sanders has every right to make. And he has a right to make that, frankly, going into Michigan, where he has closed -- or is closing a 28-point vote gap down to 11 in the latest polls. I mean, and that's just the last couple of weeks.
Over the weekend I thought he did -- as usual, he does well in states that are wider, in states that have caucuses. But he had blowout numbers in some of those states. These are people who are very, very enthusiastic for Bernie Sanders. They're not going away. He's going to go into that convention with tons of delegates and with a real case that there are a lot of people who want his version of the Democratic sort of future.
And, you know, this open question about does he want to start a new trade war. You know, what do we do with his positions? How do we sort of actualize them? That's the big weakness; that's the big open question.
But he's performing as well as he could have expected.
CAMEROTA: Panel, thank you very much. Appreciate you guys talking about the Democratic side. Of course, we will talk about the Republican side next -- Michaela. PEREIRA: We sure will. In fact, we'll do it now. It is a four-
man race for now heading into contests in Michigan and three other states tomorrow.
Front-runner Donald Trump says he wants Ted Cruz one-one-one, calling on Marco Rubio to drop out. Our Jason Carroll is live in Tampa, Florida, with that.
Jason, good morning.
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And Michaela, as you know, Rubio was not planning to drop out any time soon. He wants his shot at Florida. They're going to be aggressively campaigning here on the ground.
The campaign knows that there is no path forward for them unless they can win this state. It's going to be very interesting to see when he has his rally here in Tampa a little later on today. If he continues to go after Trump, especially regarding this new controversy surrounding torture.
As you know, Trump initially said that he would obey the laws regarding torture, then seemed to change his position over the weekend.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Why, did somebody tell ISIS, "Look, we're going to treat your guys well. Will you please to us a favor and treat our guys well"? They don't do that.
We're not playing by -- we are playing by rules, but they have no rules.
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CARROLL: Well, Trump will not getting the support from one of his own. Former governor from California, Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is now at "Celebrity Apprentice," is going to be throwing his support behind John Kasich, to which I'm sure Trump would simply say, "Look, what difference does it make?" This is now a two-man race that does not involve him -- Michaela.
PEREIRA: All right. Jason, thanks so much for that.
So stay with CNN for the most comprehensive political coverage. Tomorrow is Super Tuesday No. 2. Wednesday brings another Democratic debate in Miami. Thursday, a Republican debate in Miami. It is a full week of political events right here on CNN.
Sad news: Nancy Reagan will be laid to rest next to her husband at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. The former first lady died Sunday of congestive heart failure at the age of 94.
She's being remembered for her crusade against drugs and for her fierce devotion to her husband during his presidency and later during his battle with Alzheimer's.
CNN's Stephanie Elam is live from the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Good morning, Stephanie.
STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.
Nancy Reagan played many roles in her long life, but she said the most important role was being Ronald Reagan's wife.
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ELAM (voice-over): A country in mourning for one of the most influential first ladies of the 20th Century. During a campaign that has so invoked Ronald Reagan's legacy, the Republican presidential candidates quick to express their condolences.
Donald Trump called Mrs. Reagan, quote, "an amazing woman." Ted Cruz said that she will be "remembered for her deep passion for this nation and love for her husband."
A moment of silence for her at the Democratic debate Sunday. The president and first lady Michelle Obama say they're grateful for her life and pray she and her beloved husband are together, again.
Born in New York City and raised in Chicago, Nancy Reagan began her career as an actress in Hollywood, where she met fellow actor Ronald Reagan in 1949.
[06:15:07] The two married in 1952, beginning one of Hollywood's and Washington's most enduring partnerships.
REAGAN: Everything just fell into place with Ronny and me. We completed each other.
ELAM: Nancy played a pivotal role in the rise of her husband's political career, from governorship to the presidency, always by his side, gazing adoringly.
REAGAN: I don't remember thinking anything except for, "My gosh, here he is and he's president."
ELAM: As California's first lady, she focused her efforts on helping Vietnam veterans. As America's first lady, she championed the fight against drug abuse, bringing national attention to the issue with her "Just Say No" campaign.
She had her own special grit, President Reagan's fiercest protector, never leaving his side after an assassination attempt.
Later in life, she nursed her husband during his battle with Alzheimer's and became a leading activist, raising millions for research.
REAGAN: It's sad to see somebody you love and have been married for so long, and you can't share memories.
ELAM: After his death in 2004, she remained committed to preserving her husband's legacy, a symbol of the Republican Party.
REAGAN: When you balance it all out, I've had a pretty fabulous life.
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ELAM: and people have already begun bringing flowers here to the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. We do know that there will be a time for people to come and pay their respects. And this is also where Nancy Reagan will be laid to rest, right next to her husband.
I'll send it back to you in New York.
CAMEROTA: Thanks, Stephanie.
CUOMO: Thank you for the respectful tribute. Well-deserved. Nancy Reagan well ahead of her time on several different issues, especially on fighting drugs, especially on Alzheimer's. Many, many years ago, she said this is something more and more people are going to have to deal with, not just presidents. She was right.
She said the medicine cabinet is going to become the drug dealer of tomorrow. She was right. She was right.
CAMEROTA: She also, obviously, took on the controversial issue of stem cell research in terms of Alzheimer's.
PEREIRA: And she tended (ph) to take a stand on AIDS. It was interesting how strong -- you know, they always say behind every good man is an even stronger woman, and that was -- that was evidence of that, certainly.
CUOMO: Clearly right by his side.
All right. We'll take a little break. When we come back, Ted Cruz scoring two big victories this weekend. How's that going to impact tomorrow's contest? And is there any chance that Donald Trump changed his status as frontrunner after tomorrow? We'll break it down.
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[06:21:33] CAMEROTA: Republican candidates setting their sights on four contests tomorrow. Ted Cruz putting a dent in Donald Trump's delegate lead over the weekend. And Marco Rubio also claiming to slow Trump's momentum.
So let's bring in CNN politics executive editor Mark Preston; and back with us, CNN political commentators Errol Louis and Matt Lewis. Gentlemen, great to see all of you.
Let's walk through what happened this weekend. So Mark, let me start with you. Let's look at the math, because Trump won Kentucky and Louisiana. Cruz won Kansas and Maine. Rubio won Puerto Rico. The delegate count, Trump has 389. Cruz is now in the 300s, at 302. And you can see there, it goes down to 149 and then for Kasich, 37. So Mark, I mean, it's still game on? You know, doesn't Cruz --
can't Cruz say, Trump isn't running away with it? I'm also in the 300 delegate count.
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Right. And this really is about a game of momentum right now, Ted Cruz having those two victories on Saturday critical to his campaign. And it was also critical not only because he won delegates but because he won geographically. He's a senator from Texas. You know, we expected Donald Trump to do better in the northeast. However, Ted Cruz in that caucus wins Maine, which is -- which is in some ways very amazing. But it does give some fuel to the idea that Ted Cruz is the better alternative to Donald Trump.
Having said that, Marco Rubio got a bit of a life line yesterday when he won the Puerto Rico primary, picking up 23 delegates, which was extremely important. Had he lost that, it really would have been continuing the downward slide for Marco Rubio.
CUOMO: Puerto Rico, saving Marco Rubio. There's your headline. That is a problem -- that is a problem, in and of itself.
So Matt Lewis, when you look at what happened there, to Preston's point, let's test his analysis a little bit there. Did Cruz make the case that he is an alternative to Trump? Or did he make the case that he's the alternative to Rubio? And do you think Trump was very helped by being in that first open race in Louisiana and doing so well?
LEWIS: Well, look, I think Ted Cruz is making the case that he's a serious candidate, that he's to be taken seriously. I still think that this is not about beating Donald Trump any more. I still think it's about stopping Donald Trump from getting the, you know, 1,237 delegates, one thousand two hundred and thirty-seven delegates. He needs to be the nominee.
Donald Trump really wants a one-one-one race with Ted Cruz. I think, for very smart and personal reasons, Republicans would be much smarter to not let that happen. And I think March 15, I hate to downplay what's happening, you know, this week. But I really think March 15 is the do or die. If Rubio wins Florida, if Kasich wins Ohio, this thing, I think, goes to a contested convention.
If Trump gets Cruz one-one-one, I think Trump becomes the nominee.
CAMEROTA: And in fact, Errol, Trump was calling on having Cruz one-one-one. He says that that's what he actually wants. Listen to him talk about why Marco should exit stage right. Listen to this.
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Trump: He comes in third. He comes in fourth. Every time he comes in third or fourth, he says you've got to be able to win. And he has not been able to win. And I think it's time that he drops out.
I would love to take on Ted one-one-one. That would be so much fun. Because Ted can't win New York. He can't win New Jersey. He can't win Pennsylvania. He can't win California. I want Ted one-one- one, OK?
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CAMEROTA: So, Errol, is that the strategy that he wants? Ted wants, but that Republicans might want as many people to stay in the field as possible, those who hurt Donald Trump.
LOUIS: Exactly right. I bet if he had his druthers, in fact, Trump would rather have Marco Rubio one-one-one.
But the reality is, for the Romney strategy to work, to deny a majority of delegates to Donald Trump, everybody has to pull their own weight. You know, Rubio is going to have to win Florida. Kasich is going to have to do very well, not only in Michigan, but he's going to have to win Ohio. I mean, and you can start to see, because the fact that Trump didn't win most of the delegates that were available over the weekend tells you that this can work. That in contest after contest, you start draining out the delegates.
And let's keep in mind, those delegates go to the convention with instructions. Marco Rubio's -- you know, even if he sort of drops out, he sends his delegates to the convention with instructions to vote one way or another. We're already starting to see the contours of a possible brokered convention. The path for Trump is to win outright. And that's what he's got to do.
And the more candidates that are in the race, the harder it is going to be for him to do that.
CUOMO: Mark, that's why Louisiana was so important, right, as a race. Everybody was waiting to see how would Cruz do there. Many people felt, by the way, in early polling he had a chance to win that state. Then it wound up being Trump.
What's your take-away of why that state mattered?
PRESTON: Well, it matters for a lot of reasons. You have evangelicals down in Louisiana. That played an important role in the primary process was able to win Louisiana and was able to win another state in the south, which Ted Cruz months ago was saying was his firewall.
Here's the problem with the Republican establishment's plan trying to split the vote. And Errol is absolutely right. Matt is absolutely right. That would be the best way to try to stop Donald Trump. You're talking about an unholy alliance between gentlemen that do not like each other. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich would not go out and have dinner together. They are not friends.
The idea that this could work, it is plausible, the fact that you could have this unholy alliance. It is probably very unlikely. What's interesting over the weekend is that you start to see thought leaders, not just the Republican establishment but Erick Erickson, who is one of the thought leaders in a socially conservative movement who is now calling for a Ted Cruz/Marco Rubio ticket. He thinks that that is the best way to try to take out Donald Trump. That is when you get the unholy alliance. I just don't think people can see it.
CAMEROTA: OK. Mark, Matt, Errol, thanks so much. Great to see you guys this morning.
All right. North Korea threatening to reduce the U.S. and South Korea to flames and ash with a nuclear strike. How seriously should the U.S. take that threat? We'll talk about that next.
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