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Sanders Stuns Clinton in Michigan; Exit Polls Help Explain Results; Trump Reflects on Victories, Looks Ahead. Aired 7-7:30a ET

Aired March 09, 2016 - 07:00   ET

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[07:00:03] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I can be more presidential if I want to be.

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: People are beginning to reward a positive campaign.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Running for president shouldn't be about delivering insults. It should be about delivering results.

TRUMP (via phone): The wins last night were very, very big ones.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let's show the world democracy is alive.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You believed in me once. I'm asking you to believe again.

TRUMP (on camera): Every single person that's attacked me has gone down.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald, it's not about us.

CLINTON: They seem to have forgotten what made us great in the first place.

TRUMP: Do you know how much money was spent in the last week on me?

SANDERS: They may have all of the money. We have the people.

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY. Michaela is in New York this morning, and Chris and I are coming to you live from the University of Miami. Bernie Sanders stunning the political world last night, defying the polls and pundits with a stunning upset over Hillary Clinton in a Michigan primary. Clinton now forced to refocus her efforts towards Sanders for a second and away from her GOP rivals.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: On the Republican side, Donald Trump winning three states. You're going to hear from him. We talked to him this morning. You'll heard what he had to say, his first interview after the win. Different messages coming out of him. And news of what he called a very good phone call with Paul Ryan. What was it about?

Cruz also had a decent night. He got Idaho on his side. He finished strong seconds. Marco Rubio took another beating. We have this race covered the way only CNN can.

Let's begin with CNN anchor John Berman on who won where and why and how. What do you got?

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, Chris.

Well, right behind me, this is the result that everyone is talking about this morning. The Democratic race in Michigan. Bernie Sanders edging out Hillary Clinton. This is a result that really few people saw coming, a 20,000-vote margin right now. A big moral victory for the Sanders campaign.

But a big delegate victory for the Clinton campaign in Mississippi. You can see the huge, huge spread right here. As a result, Hillary Clinton won more delegates in last night's voting.

Let's take a look at the delegate race right now, because that's what it's all about. Hillary Clinton leads with more than 1,200. Bernie Sanders, a little bit less than 600. This does include super delegates, but even without super delegates, she leads by more than 200. And again, she extended that lead last night.

Let's talk about the Republican race right now. Donald Trump with big wins in Mississippi, Ted Cruz in second there. In Michigan, much the same story: Donald Trump out in front, Ted Cruz in second, edging out John Kasich, who badly wanted a second-place finish there or better.

Ted Cruz did win a state. He won the Idaho primaries. You can see Donald Trump in second place there. Importantly, Marco Rubio below the 20 percent threshold. He wins no delegates in the state of Idaho. That's a little bit of a blow to him.

And Donald Trump, in the wee hours of the morning, he won the Hawaii Republican caucuses. Ted Cruz again in second place there. In the delegate hunt, Donald Trump out in front. He extends his lead, Ted Cruz in second. This is all in advance of the big winner-take-all primaries next week. All the Republican side, all eyes on Florida and Ohio on the Democratic side, it's proportional. But again, Florida the big, big prize there next week -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right, J.B. Thank you very much.

There's no question that there were so many surprises in last night's results. Certainly Bernie Sanders pulled off a big win in Michigan. The question becomes why, and how, and what does it mean going forward? So we've got CNN senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny, live --

live in Cleveland with more. What a night, my friend.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Chris. Good morning.

Well, this means, first and foremost, the Democratic race is going forward and going forward with gusto. Here in Ohio, Florida as well, and those other states next Tuesday.

You can't think of a better state than Michigan to sort of be a laboratory for these dueling economic messages. And last night Bernie Sanders got a resounding yes.

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ZELENY (voice-over): A surprise upset over Hillary Clinton in Michigan.

SANDERS: What we have done is created the kind of momentum that we need to win.

ZELENY: Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders clinching a narrow win, breathing new life into his campaign. In an expected but sweeping victory in the Deep South, Clinton easily taking Mississippi.

[06:05:05] CLINTON: I want to be the president for the struggling and the striving, for people who have a dream.

ZELENY: Expanding her delegate lead after scoring huge with a large turnout of African-American voters. But it's the battleground state of Michigan, Sanders' biggest victory yet, that's keeping the Democratic fight alive.

SANDERS: The political revolution that we are talking about is strong in every part of the country. And frankly, we believe that our strongest areas are yet to happen.

ZELENY: Secretary Clinton projecting an air of confidence at a rally in Detroit just Monday night.

CLINTON: The sooner I could become your nominee, the more I could begin to turn our attention to the Republicans.

ZELENY: But failing to go campaign as aggressively as in other states and looking around the corner to the Republican fight ahead may have distracted her campaign. As Sanders held massive rallies on college campuses across the state...

SANDERS: If you come out to vote here in Michigan on primary day, we're going to win here in Michigan.

ZELENY: ... his support from younger voters and his economic message paying off in a big way.

(END VIDEOTAPE) ZELENY: Now, whether Hillary Clinton underestimated Bernie Sanders or misread the electorate, it's certainly going to be discovered and looked into deeply by the Clinton campaign. But they believe it's not a message problem as much as unique to Michigan turnout problem.

They know, though, going into the next week, this is critical for Hillary Clinton not mathematically, because she's ahead so far in the delegates but politically speaking here, to show that she can win in some of these industrial states where white voters make up the majority of the electorate -- Chris and Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK, Jeff, let's dig a little deeper on that topic. What went wrong for Hillary Clinton in Michigan? Christie Romans has a look at the deciding factors in the exit polls. What are you seeing, Christine?

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN SENIOR BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, guys.

We're seeing that Hillary Clinton misunderstood the electorate in Michigan. That's exactly how her campaign put it. Let's look at what issues voters say mattered most. Forty-three percent said it is the economy and jobs. And Michigan voters aren't feeling great about the economy. Eighty-one percent -- 81 percent said they are worried.

In Michigan, it's all about the auto industry in the last Democratic debate here at CNN. Clinton's attack on Bernie Sanders about the auto bailout simply didn't work. But Sanders's attack on Clinton's past support of free-trade agreements, that really, really resonated with voters. A majority of voters said trade, international trade kills American jobs. And Bernie Sanders has tapped into that. Fifty-eight percent of those who say that international trade takes away U.S. jobs, 58 percent said Bernie Sanders is their pick.

Let's look at the racial breakdown of voters. Among African-American voters, about a quarter of the electorate there, Hillary Clinton won 65 percent of the vote. That is a much, much narrower margin than she did in Mississippi where she had 85 percent of the vote, you guys.

CUOMO: All right, Christine, thank you very much for going through the numbers.

Let's bring in right now deputy communications director at Hillary for America, Kristina Schake. It's good to have you with us this morning. What is your take on the results?

KRISTINA SCHAKE, DEPUTY COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, HILLARY FOR AMERICA: Hi, Chris. It's great to be with you this morning.

Well, you know, we had two contests yesterday. Michigan was hard fought. We congratulate Senator Sanders on the win there. But, you know, Hillary had an overwhelming win in Mississippi. We saw she won by more than 80 percent of the vote. She won every county. She won every demographic. And so she came out of last night actually netting 20 delegates because of her substantial win in Mississippi and Michigan was closer. We actually feel really good, because she came into yesterday because

of her huge wins on Super Tuesday, with almost a 200-delegate lead. And we come out last night with 20 more delegates. So we're feeling very good about that.

We're also feeling very good about the enthusiasm for Hillary. You know, more than 1 million people voted last night, and she won than 100,000 more votes than Senator Sanders did. So we're really seeing a lot of enthusiasm for her candidacy, and she's really put together a winning coalition that's important to win the Democratic primary but also for Democrats to win the White House. She won overwhelmingly with women, with African-Americans. She's won with Latinos and Asian- Pacific islanders. So we feel really confident coming out of yesterday. And so the race continues, and she will fight to win every vote for the five states that vote next Tuesday.

CUOMO: You have two very different story lines, though, right? Out of Mississippi, you see the Clinton campaign's strength in the South, specifically with African-Americans.

But in Michigan, it's something different. That is a state that is not only representative of the next big state, which is winner-take- all, Ohio, but is representative of a lot of that region of the country. What do you think was different than expected that accounts for Sanders winning and not Clinton, which was shown in the polls and still is in the preference polls?

SCHAKE: You know, we knew going into Michigan that it was going to be a lot closer than the public polls showed. But I will say this was a hard-fought race, and it was a must-win for Senator Sanders. His campaign said that repeatedly. So they outspent us, and they worked really hard to win. We congratulate him on that win.

[07:10:14] But we feel confident going into next week that Hillary is going to do what Hillary does, which is get out there and do the hard work and try to earn every vote. So we understand that the races that are coming up are important, and you know, she's so focused on these races, and she's going to do everything she can to win.

CUOMO: So what I'm hearing from you is this is not about us mis- judging the electorate. We know who they are and what they want. Well, then it comes down to your ability to give it to them, whether it's Trump or Sanders. Yes, they're very different men. But they're tapping into the same ethos. They're tapping into the same mood in the country. What does Hillary Clinton need to do more of, better. Pick your word. But to tap into the mood and be seen as an agent for it?

SCHAKE: You know, I have to say that Hillary understands. She spent months and months out talking to voters, really listening to them, listening to their concerns, what they need the next president to do for their family to get ahead and stay ahead.

So she understands there's a lot of frustration out there. But Hillary believes that the right answer to that is to put together a real plan that will make a difference in people's lives. So she's the candidate out there talking about how to grow manufacturing jobs, how to raise wages, how to make college more affordable. She is going to be out there talking to people about what she would do as president to really answer their frustration and their concerns.

She believes that you've got to put together real plans. It's not enough just to talk about what needs to be fixed. But it's -- you've got to talk about what your real solutions are to people's problems today. She's the candidate out there doing that. You're going to see her do that tonight on the debate at Univision. And we feel confident that people -- that will really resonate and mean something.

And you know, I have to say, Chris, also really important to Hillary, is you've got to talk to people about how your plans add up. How you are going to pay for it? And so that's what she's out there doing. And she's going to do the hard work in the states coming up to really earn people's vote.

CUOMO: One more question for you this morning. The idea of the auto bailout as it played out in the debate. At the time, many people read it as a good shot from Clinton against Sanders. Now people looking at it differently. Hindsight is always 20/20 when you have a negative outcome.

But do you think that it might have been a little unfair for Secretary Clinton to paint the TARP deal as the auto bailout deal in terms of making that case that Bernie Sanders wasn't in favor of the auto bailout. Do you think people caught onto that and maybe it hurt her in Michigan?

SCHAKE: No, you know, I don't think so Chris. It's a really important piece of information for voters to have, not only in the Michigan. But in the upcoming states, too, in Ohio. You know, you can't just stand on the auto industry when it's convenient. And in the vote that really mattered, the vote of January of 2009, when President-elect Obama asked every Democrat to stand with him to save the auto industry, Senator Sanders voted no and voted against releasing that money to save the auto industry...

CUOMO: Right. But that was the TARP vote.

SCHAKE: Yes, but...

CUOMO: Kristina, that was the TARP vote. That was about the banks. That had some money for the auto bailout, but the real vote had come before and Sanders was on the side of the auto industry.

SCHAKE: But that vote didn't go forward. The vote that actually gave the money that saved Detroit was the vote in January 2009. And Bernie Sanders voted against it. And so I think that's a fair thing to point out for voters.

CUOMO: All right.

SCHAKE: But you know, I have to say, Chris...

CUOMO: I appreciate you making the case here. SCHAKE: I have to say, Chris...

CUOMO: Yes.

SCHAKE: ... that's just one part of her economic plan. I mean, Hillary Clinton is the candidate out there talking about real plans to solve the problems of today. And so we think that voters will really listen to that.

CUOMO: Well, we look forward to hearing her make the case tonight. We thank you for making the case this morning. And as always, the secretary is invited onto NEW DAY to talk about what matters to the voters. Please extend our invitation, as always.

SCHAKE: Thank you so much, Chris.

CUOMO: All right. And as we said, tonight could not be better timed for you and for your use. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, facing off in Miami. CNN will simulcast the Univision Democratic presidential debate. Set your calendars: 9 p.m. Eastern.

CAMEROTA: I'm so glad I planned it that way.

NEW DAY was the also the first to speak with Donald Trump following his big wins last night. The front-runner not holding back about the rough rhetoric on the stump and his rival, Marco Rubio. Take a look at his conversation with Chris.

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TRUMP (via phone): Well, I would say at that point it's pretty tough for anybody to do anything, and I know we have a big lead in Florida; and I hear we have a pretty good lead also in polls in Ohio.

And you know, again, I'm going to Ohio. I'm going to Florida. I'm in Florida right now, actually. I'm going to North Carolina today. I'm going to be all over the place over the next week. So, you know, hopefully, it will all work out. I would love to see the party come together and unify.

[07:15:09] You know, Chris, we've done something that's never been done. The biggest story of all is the kind of massive turnouts the Republican Party is getting. And we're taking from the Democrats. We're taking from independents. You're reporting on it really well. The Democrats are down 35 percent. There's no enthusiasm for Hillary. How can you have enthusiasm for Hillary? There is none. And then you hear her speak.

CUOMO: Do you think that last night means -- do you think last night means more about her campaign than even it does about yours? Do you think she's in real trouble and why?

TRUMP: No. I think she'll get the nomination, assuming she's allowed to run, which she probably will, because the Democrats will make sure nothing happens to her. Assuming she's allowed to run legally, I think that, yes, she'll definitely get the nomination. This is just a bump.

But losing Michigan is more than a bump in the general, because it says the people don't want her. She's not going to bring back trade. You know, Michigan has been devastated by bad trade deals, and she's in favor of trade deals. She's not going to bring back trade. She's not going to bring back businesses. She's not going to bring back all of the employment that's gone, all the factories that are closed. I've seen those factories. Let me tell you, it's disgusting to look.

CUOMO: You've been saying more lately you can be more presidential; "I can be more presidential than anybody." And then last night you said, "I really hope we can bring this party together." You have not been perceived as a uniter. Is this part of this metamorphoses of you that you've suggested in the past that you can change; you can say different things? Are you going to try to shift strategy now from being more of a hammer to more of someone who wants to unite? Are you going to change message?

TRUMP: Well, I am a uniter, Chris. You know me. I mean, you know me well, and your family knows me well. I am a uniter. I have to finish off the project.

You know, I can't all of a sudden stand there and let people -- you know, Marco was very, very nasty to me, I have to tell you. He was very, very nasty to me, and I guess he made a mistake, because I was more nasty to him. You have to finish off what you have to finish off. I can't say all of a sudden, you know, "Let them make statements."

I do think this. I think the debate tomorrow night will be a softer debate. I really do. I believe it's going to be a softer debate. I hope it's going to be a softer debate. I can tell you that I go in much more as a uniter than as a -- I think the wins last night were very, very big ones and very decisive ones.

CUOMO: Many people look at you as a person who set the tone of negativity in this race. Is it time for you to say, "You know what? Enough with the negative. Stop attacking me. I'm not going to attack you. We need to unite. We need to be something better"?

TRUMP: Well, Chris, I didn't set the tone of negativity. What I did was I fought back. I mean, they attacked me viciously, and I fought back. And don't forget, we started with 17 people. So I've been doing this now for a while. And the nice part is everybody that's attacked me so far has gone down. Wouldn't that be nice for our country? Because we don't win any more as a country. So wouldn't it be nice to have somebody that could do that? We're getting millions and millions of people that have never voted before. Millions of people from the Democrats, millions of people from the independents. And I honestly, I had such a great talk with Paul Ryan. He called the other day. He was so great.

CUOMO: Give me a taste. Why was it a good conversation with Paul Ryan?

TRUMP: He was -- it was just very conciliatory. We -- we get along well. I like him a lot. I respect him a lot. I think he respects me. I think he really does respect what I've done. I mean, he said it, it's amazing. He said it's amazing.

They're talking about it all over the world. We're bringing in 65 percent more people than they did four years ago. People coming in -- do you know how many people told me, "Mr. Trump, I've never voted before"? And they're, like, 50-year-old people, 60-year-old people. They said, "I've never voted before, and I'm voting for you." And they have Trump shirts and Trump hats. And these are people that were never proud enough or never -- they said, "I've never had a candidate that I've wanted to vote for, Mr. Trump." And they're great Americans. And they've never voted, because they've never had anybody they want.

We have something that's going on that's absolutely unique and special. We have millions -- millions and millions of people like this. We have massive numbers, Chris.

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CAMEROTA: Wow. So that was your interview with Donald Trump. Very interesting. And we're going to analyze some of the things he said with his supporters and with one of the leading sort of anti-Trump voices.

CUOMO: And a big example of change is him being on the show. You know, he wasn't been on for two months. He's saying this is a new phase. Now he's coming back to a place where he knows he's going to get tested. Let's see how it continues from here.

CAMEROTA: All right. So that's the latest on the campaign trail. Lots of big news overnight. Also, we want to get to New York now for a look at some other stories making news. There's Michaela.

Good morning, Michaela.

PEREIRA: There you are in Miami. Thanks, guys. We'll be back to you in a moment, but I am going to look at some headlines now at 19 minutes past the hour.

Two days after a shooting attack on an Idaho pastor, the alleged gunman was arrested outside the White House. The Secret Service taking Kyle Odom into custody right after he threw items of the White House fence. Hazmat and bomb teams on scene found nothing hazardous. Odom is suspected of shooting Idaho pastor Tim Remington Sunday, a day after he led prayers at a campaign rally for Ted Cruz.

[07:20:] Music producer George Martin, known as the fifth Beatle, has died. He passed away peacefully at home. Martin's career spanned some five decades. He signed the Beatles and produced more than 700 records. Ringo Starr paid tribute to his friend in a tweet, thanking him for his years of hard work. Sir George Martin was 90 years old.

All right. Those were the headlines at this hour. I'll head back to in beautiful and, I'm guessing, warm Miami -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: It is warming up, now that the sun is up. So true, Michaela. Great to see you.

Well, another big night for Donald Trump. So are the attacks from the establishment actually fueling Trump instead of hurting him? We're talking to one of the leading anti-Trump voices ahead.

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CUOMO: Well, look, Donald Trump is not exaggerating. And that's saying something. When he charges that the GOP establishment, the candidates have been coming at him with everything, what would they think was going to happen? They thought that by going negative, they would change the race. It hasn't happened.

[07:25:00] CUOMO: Let's talk to one of the architects of this movement, the communications director for the anti-Trump super PAC Our Principles, Tim Miller. Tim, you may remember, served as communications director.

Al right, Tim. So you came at him. You have people that went after him, and you spent a ton of money. You're spending a ton of money here in Florida.

Saying Trump stinks and you're wrong to like Trump didn't work last night. May have worked against people who were doing that.

Your take?

TIM MILLER, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, OUR PRINCIPLES SUPER PAC: I have to disagree with that, and for starters, we didn't spend any money in Mississippi or Michigan last night. Those were states that were always going to be good states for Donald Trump.

CUOMO: Money was spent. Maybe not by you. But there was a lot of money.

There wasn't a whole lot of anti-Trump money spent in Michigan or Mississippi. The only place money we spent was Idaho. I think there was a little bit from other groups in Michigan. But not a significant amount. Where we've been focusing our attention is March 15: Florida, Illinois, Ohio, Missouri, North Carolina. Those are the big delegate states.

And -- and we're seeing Trump's numbers softening there and softening nationally. The only place where we spent last night was Idaho. Trump was up ten in the polls. He lost big last night. Donald Trump is trying to make himself seem inevitable. The numbers really don't bear that out.

CAMEROTA: Well, here are the latest polls. We have the new CNN/ORC polls out this morning. Let's just look at Florida as an example.

Trump has 40 percent. Rubio, who has always said that his big play is Florida -- he expects to win it, he promises to win it -- he's at 24 percent. Cruz, 19 percent. Kasich, 5 percent.

CUOMO: A ton of money also spent here in Florida. CAMEROTA: There's mailers. There's robocalls, TV ads. What evidence

do you have that it's working?

MILLER: Look, our internal numbers on Florida have it much closer than that. It's about five -- it's about a five-point race between Trump and Rubio.

If you look at the other states: Ohio, Illinois, we're seeing Trump losing in Illinois, by the way. Really close race in Ohio. Look at the number from the poll last night that came out in the states that are remaining. If you look at all the states. In a head to head race, Ted Cruz versus Donald Trump, Ted Cruz plus 13. Marco versus Donald Trump, Marco plus eight. They didn't test Kasich versus Trump. But I suspect Kasich would be ahead as well.

This is not like Mitt Romney, John McCain, George W. Bush. Over the course of the primary, they gained steam. They were getting 50, 60, 70 percent in head to head.

Donald Trump is opposed by over half the party. He had an OK night last night. But the big-delegate states are ahead of us. He had a really bad weekend. You know, we all have a very quick memory -- amnesia here. He lost Kansas, was upset in Maine, which should have been a good state for him. So this He is not nearly as strong a position as he wants you to think.

Winner-take-all these big states coming up. That means, even if they're able to get close, if he wins by 2, 3 percent, he gets all the delegates. As the math starts to fall in his favor, what do you do?

MILLER: Look, I think there are two paths towards the median, right? One of the paths is that one of Cruz, Kasich, or Rubio is able to gain momentum, particularly starting next week, and end up getting a plurality of the delegates. There's very clear path to that left still. A lot of these things...

CUOMO: Explain that.

MILLER; ... to beat Donald Trump, to have more. Not just anybody.

CUOMO: You're not saying someone else can get to 1,237.

MILLER: I think someone else could. It's more likely someone else beats Donald Trump and has the most delegates, but not 1,237. I think that's the most likely. The other thing is a fractured race, where nobody gets to 1,237, where Trump might have slightly more than someone else, and then we go to Cleveland. And look, there's a lot of stuff that these voters haven't learned about Donald Trump.

CAMEROTA: Let's talk about that. What is there still left to learn, because basically, his supporters have heard it all. And they don't care. They don't care that he was married three times. They don't care that some of his businesses may have gone bankrupt. They don't care. I mean, they have rejected that.

MILLER: I don't know that that's the case. If they didn't care, why was Donald Trump up during his press conference hawking his failed infomercial products. And his Trump Steaks that taste worse than hot dogs. The Trump Water that people said tasted like paint. This is a failed guy.

We're coming to Florida. You're going to see advertising in the next -- in the next week. He tried to build Trump Tampa. Total failure. People, regular people, were left with $50,000 that they had to eat, while Donald Trump used the bankruptcy laws to enrich himself.

CAMEROTA: So you're going to have testimonials. People who say that they have somehow been disadvantaged.

MILLER: Yes. And they don't say it. They have been. The Trump University people we've heard about. There are more examples from Atlantic City, from the Trump hotels down here. His hotel failed. His apartment building failed. And people were left holding the bag. Donald Trump paid himself, but he didn't pay the regular people.

CUOMO: They've already got high negatives on Trump anywhere you look at it.

MILLER: Yes. Astronomically high.

CUOMO: Don't you think it speaks to the fact that people believe he want they want something better. He's tapping into that. Isn't the only way to beat it that by offering something better, as opposed to trying to tear him down.

MILLER: Well, no. No. Look at the general election. Right now, a poll came out yesterday where he was 29 favorable, 67 unfavorable. I mean, I'm joking, but seriously, Bashar al Assad's negatives are about 67 percent.