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Rubio & Kasich Fight to Stay Alive on Super Tuesday; Can Bernie Sanders Replicate Michigan Upset?; Polls Open in Most of Florida; Voters Head to Polls in Ohio; Anti-Trump Ad Shows Women Reading Trump Insults; Car Bomb Kills One in Berlin. Aired 7-7:30a ET

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SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There isn't a viable path, it's time a candidate to move on.

[07:00:02] SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Do we really want to live in a country where (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let's make sure we have a huge voter turnout.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY, with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CAMEROTA: Morning, everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Super Tuesday No. 3. And for some candidates, it is Survival Tuesday. Voters in five delegate-rich states head to the polls today. Florida Senator Marco Rubio and Ohio Governor John Kasich looking to stay alive with wins in their home states, critical winner-take-all contests in Ohio and Florida.

Donald Trump, meanwhile, looking to lock in his path to the nomination.

CUOMO: Super Tuesday No. 3 just ain't getting it done, Alisyn. We've got to get something more dramatic. That's why I'm going with the ides of March thing. Caesar. Who kills? Who's going to be Caesar? Who's going to do the killing?

CAMEROTA: I like the dramatic literary allusion.

CUOMO: Right. No. 3, I mean, what movie would you watch that's No. 3?

CAMEROTA: Other than "Animal House," not many.

CUOMO: That's a good call.

All right. So now, on the Democratic side, you don't have this ides of March rationale that I'm jumping on so vigorously on the GOP side. But even though it's proportionate, today could really take the race in one of two paths. Hillary Clinton could really pull away if she's able to hold the Midwest. But Bernie Sanders could pull another Michigan and turn this into a

race that goes all the way to the convention.

We have Super Tuesday coverage from every angle the way only CNN can. Let's begin with Phil Mattingly. He's in Columbus, Ohio -- Phil.

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, good morning, Chris. For Republican candidates, March 15 has been circled on the calendar for months. The first day of winner-take-all primaries. Crucial, crucial contests in Florida and Ohio. For one candidate in particular, an opportunity to separate himself from the field. For two others, just an opportunity to survive.

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TRUMP: We're going to have a great day. I think we're going to have a phenomenal day.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): Donald Trump looking for another Super Tuesday sweep.

TRUMP: Florida's looking fantastic.

MATTINGLY: A big day at the polls for the front-runner could mean the end of presidential bids for Florida Senator Marco Rubio and Ohio Governor John Kasich.

RUBIO: We're going to shock the country, and we're going to do what needs to be done.

MATTINGLY: On this do-or-die day, Rubio and Kasich both fighting for victories, hoping to just stay alive in their home turf.

KASICH: Ohio should send a message to the country. Everybody's watching us now. You know that? And they're not just watching us in the country. They're watching us in the world.

MATTINGLY: As Ted Cruz, a handful of wins, pushes Republicans in Illinois to unify as the only alternative to Trump.

CRUZ: After tomorrow, it will be officially a two-man race, because no other candidate has any plausible path to 1,237.

MATTINGLY: Trump's still dealing with the fallout from days of raucous protests at his events.

TRUMP: You know how many people have been hurt at our rallies? I think, like, basically none, other than, I guess, maybe somebody got hit once or something. But there's no violence.

MATTINGLY: His rivals' response to their own protestors, a blatant jab at the front-runner.

RUBIO: Look, a Bernie Sanders sign. Don't worry: you're not going to get beat up at my rallies.

CRUZ: One difference between this and a Donald Trump rally is I'm not asking anyone to punch you in the face.

MATTINGLY: But Trump supporters New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and Sarah Palin, showing force for Trump in this final push to today's big contests, Palin with choice words for disrupters.

SARAH PALIN (R), FORMER VICE-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: What we don't have time for is all that petty, punk-ass little thuggery stuff that's been going on.

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MATTINGLY: While there's no shortage of attention on that Florida contest, all eyes have really focused here in Ohio over the last couple days. Donald Trump and John Kasich in a pitched battle, Trump really attacking regularly on rallies, on TV, and of course, on Twitter.

John Kasich rolling out Mitt Romney, the 2012 nominee, yesterday, not an endorsement, but Romney telling Ohio voters to turn out for Kasich. Kasich has a 77 percent approval rating among Republicans in this state. Trying to turn that into a major win that not only helps stop Trump's momentum but also keeps Kasich's campaign alive, Michaela.

PEREIRA: Big day. Big day indeed.

All right, Phil, thank you.

Meanwhile, Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton is hoping to rebound and all but seal the deal tonight. But polls show rival Bernie Sanders is closing the gap in some key states. Can he repeat that stunner he had in Michigan?

Senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar is live in Charlotte, where the polls are now open.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, there, Michaela.

This really could be a pivotal day for Democrats. If Bernie Sanders does well, this could keep him in this race more viably. And if Hillary Clinton does very well today, this could cement her status as the presumptive Democratic nominee. It's interesting, though. Both of them with the same message, leading into this big day, positioning themselves as the alternative to Donald Trump.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have to stand up to hateful, divisive rhetoric that is pitting different groups of Americans against each other. I believe that's what Americans will do. I believe we are better than what we are hearing every night on television.

[07:05:17] SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This campaign is telling Donald Trump and others that we will not, we will not accept for one second their bigotry and xenophobia. (END VIDEO CLIP)

KEILAR: Now if Bernie Sanders does do well, does beat Hillary Clinton in either Ohio or Illinois or Missouri, that will put wind in his sails, but when you look at the map, he's still trailing considerably in delegates behind Hillary Clinton, and these are not winner-take-all states like you're seeing on the Republican side. So it's easy to see how they would split delegates. And it's hard, it's really difficult to see, Alisyn, how Bernie Sanders could really close the gap with Hillary Clinton or even catch up. That would be much more difficult.

But nonetheless, his campaign, his aides are saying he's going all the way to the convention in July. And Hillary Clinton didn't get out 2008 until June. So it's really difficult for her to call on him to get out, even if he does not do well today.

CAMEROTA: And look, I mean, this whole election cycle has been nothing if not surprising. So anything is still possible. And we'll see what happens today, Brianna. Thanks so much.

Well, polls now open in most of Florida. Marco Rubio hoping for some hometown love to keep his hopes for the Republican nomination alive.

CNN's Kyung Lah is live in Florida with more. How's it going there, Kyung?

KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the polls have just opened as you said, and Rubio's certainly hoping for a lot of love. We've just seen the first couple of voters come to this fire station, a polling station. The voting booths are set up. This is the heart of Rubio's stronghold here, Miami-Dade County. He has got to win this county.

So how is it looking? If you look at some of the weekend numbers that we crunched with a political strategist, these weekend numbers, this is early voting, absentee voting. What we are seeing is, yes, turnout is high in this county. This county expected to go for Rubio.

But here's the rub. To the north of us, much of north Florida, many of these counties, anti-establishment places that didn't vote in 2012. The turnout there is especially high.

So strategists are saying that's looking very good for Donald Trump. Rubio looks so far looking at those numbers. If those trends continue, could have a very tough day -- Chris.

CUOMO: Kyung, spot on. I spent the weekend down there, moving around South Florida. There's no question, especially with that Cuban population, Rubio very popular.

But you're right: Florida is like three states. You have Southern Florida Central, and then the Panhandle area. And they all break different ways, different demographics. We're going to have to watch that very closely.

Now, the other big race that's winner-take-all in the GOP side is Ohio. Governor John Kasich is not hedging the way Rubio is. The Republican candidate saying he will reconsider his run if he does not win his home state.

CNN's Dan Simon live from North Olmstead. Voting already under way. What are you seeing?

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning, Chris, just a trickle at this point. You can see some of the voters behind me. We are just outside of Cleveland here in Cuyahoga County. The main story line here for this area is whether voters who twice elected John Kasich to statewide office will send him a lifeline.

One important thing to point out: when voters come to the desk, they can pull either a Republican ballot or a Democratic ballot, and it's believed that you will see a lot of crossover votes.

So if you are a Democrat and you want to vote for Kasich or you want to vote for Trump, you are free to do so. We should also point out that Ohio is an early voting state, and voters have been able to cast ballots for the past several weeks, and right now the edge goes to the Republicans for the amount of ballots cast. At least in the early dawning, it will be interesting to see if that trend continues here at the polls today.

Chris and Alisyn, I'll send it back to you.

CAMEROTA: It sure will, Dan. Thanks so much for that.

But here to discuss all of what might happen today, CNN's political commentator, former Reagan White House political director and Trump supporter Geoffrey Lord. And CNN political commentator, Republican consultant and former George W. Bush staffer, Margaret Hoover. Great to have both of you this morning.

Margaret, you live and breathe this stuff. You look at the numbers. What do you think is going to happen today?

MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: If I had to put my money on it...

CUOMO: You must.

HOOVER: OK. I'm going to say Trump wins Florida. Kasich wins Ohio. Proportional, as you know, everywhere else.

CUOMO: Who's winning in the other states?

HOOVER: I think Trump and Cruz.

CUOMO: And all three?

HOOVER: Trump and Kasich in Illinois.

CAMEROTA: OK. So with that delegate stew, then what happens?

HOOVER: The muddled mess that is to block Donald Trump to the 1,237 continues to the convention, and we don't -- I don't think we get a huge amount of clarity. Look, if Trump wins Ohio, I think it's game over. I think then, after

that, Trump has to win just slightly more than 50 percent of the remaining delegates, and he has, I think, not just the delegate count that has the nomination but the momentum to get through the rest of the states that block Trump movement really slows down.

[07:10:13] You know, it's interesting to hear from the Cruz campaign. They say they really want a two-man race, but Geoffrey, take off your partisan hat for a second and just put on your old venerable smart-guy hat.

And where do you get -- where does he get the confidence to want a two-man race if Trump, even if he doesn't win Ohio? Where's the confidence for Cruz that he gets 1,237? I just heard his guy, Nearing (ph), say, yes, Cruz can get there. Where do you see it? Pennsylvania, New York, all these big states that are coming up where Trump would have a presumption of dominance?

GEOFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Right, in truth, I don't see it. As you know, I live here in Pennsylvania. I haven't seen any sign of a Cruz campaign here at all. And Donald Trump would have, as a New Yorker, would have a, you know, sort of neighboring state advantage here in Pennsylvania.

So to be frank, I'm a little baffled as to where and how they see this. I mean, I generally would be curious to know.

CAMEROTA: Trump has really laid off -- go ahead.

HOOVER: To answer Geoffrey's question, I think the way they're counting on it. First of all, they've pulled out their super PAC adds from Florida, the Cruz people. So what they're trying to do, what's that a play for? That's a play for Marco Rubio's delegates.

What they hope is that they can consolidate the Kasich support, which would go throughout the northeast, maybe get a Kasich. I mean, they're -- I don't think this is realistic, but that's what they're hoping. They're hoping they're getting the other guy...

CUOMO: So a lot of people say they pulled the money out of Florida because they weren't getting the traction. The original plan was to try to stick it to Rubio, make sure that he lost it in Florida by gobbling up and trying to split some of his vote there.

LORD: Let me add -- let me add one thing. Here in Pennsylvania we have a dual track system. To show you how this works, in 1980, George H.W. Bush won the Pennsylvania primary. But our delegates are elected on a congressional district -- by congressional district basis. And you're on there just, for example, Chris Cuomo, not Chris Cuomo, Trump person or Cruz person, et cetera.

So frankly, it all depends on whether or not the campaign in question, whoever that is, has recruited somebody to run in that district that has enough name recognition on their own to get elected as the delegate, and that's a whole different thing than the beauty contest, and that counts more. CAMEROTA: Donald Trump hasn't been laid off John Kasich. He hasn't

made Kasich a target throughout this campaign up until now. So because he knows that Ohio is so pivotal, he has begun going after Kasich.

But let me just play for you some of the things that he said. You can tell me, Margaret, if you think this is effective. Listen to this.

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TRUMP: Kasich cannot make America great again. Can't do it. He can't do it.

Your Governor Kasich, if you look at him, and I'm being totally impartial. He goes to New Hampshire. He's living in New Hampshire. Living. Where's Chris? Is Chris around? Even more than Chris Christie, who was there. Go home. Go to sleep. Get a good rest. Go out tomorrow. You've got to beat Kasich. He's not going to be a great president. He's not going to be strong. He's weak on the borders.

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CAMEROTA: It doesn't seem like he's honed the message very tightly there, Margaret, what do you think?

HOOVER: See what sticks. And, you know, it's the same line of messaging and reasoning that he used for Marco Rubio, calling him an absentee senator. The difference is that John Kasich was elected by -- by 1 million votes only 16 months ago in his state. He runs a party apparatus. He has a political ground campaign.

CUOMO: Trump just said he's not that popular in Ohio, but he's known as a favorite son.

HOOVER: He's not only a favorite son, I mean, he has -- he's like an 80 percent approval rating. I mean, he's a very popular governor. So that's not -- that's not going to work. This is going to be the one place where Donald Trump really gets beat.

CUOMO: That's true. Favorite son in my family only gets, like, 20 percent approval. So maybe you get a different feel in Ohio.

But what's his method here? What's he trying to do, Geoffrey, just kind of spread it around on Kasich? He did come out with an unusually substantive op-ed today in "The USA Today," Donald Trump, using the trade package of the TPP and saying that Kasich was for it, this is a problem. He's for NAFTA. That was on the substantive side. What is this going on, on the political side?

LORD: On the political side, Chris, I have to say, and we've said this. I said this before. We saw this in Texas with Ted Cruz, in Florida with Marco Rubio. If you can't win your own state, you shouldn't be the nominee. But if you do win your own state, I mean, the obvious question is, well, duh, I would hope so. I mean, I don't understand the notion that, if John Kasich wins Ohio,

this makes him viable somewhere else. Of course, he should win Ohio. This should be a given.

CAMEROTA: Margaret, you were talking about what would happen to the "never Trump" movement if Trump rolls through today. And there's a new -- today they're really pulling out all the stops. There's a new anti-Trump ad out. It's from an anti-Trump PAC, and it uses Trump's own words about women against him. Let's play a portion of this.

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[07:15:14] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, it really doesn't matter what they write, as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That must be a pretty picture, you dropping to your knees.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her -- wherever.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Women, you have to treat them like (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is how Donald Trump talks about women...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... our sisters...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... our daughters.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: Effective, not effective? What do you think of that?

HOOVER: It's extraordinarily powerful and a preview of what you will see in a general election match-up if Donald Trump is the Republican nominee, running against Clinton, the Clinton campaign has already telegraphed that that's going to be one of their three-pronged strategy.

And the reason is that independent women, single women, college- educated women, non-college-educated women, these are part of the sort of secret magical sauce that Republicans have to get to the polls to vote for them if they're going to win a general election, and Republicans have lost them in 2008, 2012, even in the off years, and we have a hard time getting women to the polls. That is how Hillary Clinton will get them and not Donald Trump.

CUOMO: Defense, Geoffrey.

LORD: Defense is Hillary Clinton has got women coming out for Donald Trump, saying that she was an enabler of her husband's sexual abuse of them. And Juanita Broaddrick, who was -- widely accused Bill Clinton of rape and said that Hillary Clinton threatened her. I mean, you know, for her to get into this again, if we're going to get into this alone, you know, that's going to be a big problem.

CAMEROTA: And that will be Trump's defense. I mean, I think you two have just illustrated what we would see in a general election on this topic.

HOOVER: And who wins that argument, Geoffrey? Hillary Clinton, because then she -- everybody is reminded of the sort of terrible thing that she was put through.

CUOMO: Here's what we know. That's the fight. We know for sure who doesn't win: the American voter. Because if that's the basis of comparison, we have a real ugly show ahead of us.

CAMEROTA: Geoffrey, Margaret, thank you. Thanks so much.

Stay with CNN all day and night for coverage of Super Tuesday, and of course, we'll have all the outcomes and analysis on NEW DAY tomorrow morning, Michaela.

PEREIRA: Meanwhile, we're following breaking news. One man is dead. There was a car explosion that rocked Berlin this morning during the commuter time. CNN's Atika Shubert is live at the scene with the breaking details, learning more. What are you seeing?

ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is something we've never seen in the last few years, but that is the car several hundred meters behind me. It apparently was driving down the road right around rush hour when it just blew up before people's eyes.

Now police are saying they know there were explosives inside the car, and they're treating this at the moment as a criminal investigation, a homicide investigation. They are not considering, yet, as a terror investigation. So there are no counter-terror police here.

They're not ruling it out at this point, but they haven't found, they're still sort of sifting through the forensic evidence. It only killed one person, the driver of the car. What they're trying to figure out now is whether the driver was targeted in the explosion or whether the car was carrying explosives.

So a lot of this will depend on the forensics evidence they're able to gather, which they're doing right now, Michaela.

CUOMO: All right. I'll take it. Thank you very much. Let us know what else develops in that. We know it's early in the investigation.

Also developing overnight, three veteran Chicago officers are recovering after being shot during a narcotics investigation. Police say the male shooter opened fire when officers approached and tried to speak with him and a woman he was with. That shooter was killed in the exchange of bullets, and the woman was not hit. Authorities are interviewing her at this hour. All the officers are expected to be OK. We'll give you updates on their condition as we receive them.

CAMEROTA: Well, Donald Trump says his rallies are, quote, "lovefests," but we have seen violence at recent events. Does Trump need to tone down his rhetoric? We weigh both sides, next.

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[07:22:54] CUOMO: OK. There is no question that Donald Trump's events have often been interrupted by protesters. There's a lot of passion at them. But in the last week, it does seem to have been elevated at these large-scale rallies. There does seem to be violence more often than not. The scale, the situation, the impact, those are all debatable.

But what about the responsibility and how much of it is on Donald Trump to calm the temperature at his own rallies? Let's discuss. CNN political commentator and professor of Morehouse College, Marc Lamont Hill, and CNN law enforcement analyst, former FBI special agent, Jonathan Gilliam. Gentlemen, thank you for being here.

Professor, make the case. What do you see going on at these rallies, and who do you think is responsible?

MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: What I see is democracy in action, right? Which both sides are arguing. You have the opportunity in America to come and protest and to say whatever you want, within certain limits and boundaries and with certain penalties.

So I see people resisting Donald Trump's message. I see people protesting Donald Trump's message.

But what I see now is a kind of violent response from Trump supporters that is egged on by Donald Trump. I'm not making a legal argument that Donald Trump should be held legally liable. But I am saying, though, that there is an ethical demand, an ethical standard on any decent human being to not tell people to punch people in the face, to not suggest that you'll pay people's legal bills if they get arrested for punching somebody in the face. It just seems like a pretty basic rule of common decency.

CUOMO: The pushback is, what if they're not just there as protesters, they're plants to disrupt, to infringe on Donald Trump's ability to get out his message to start fights with his protesters, to make Trump and his supporters look bad.

HILLS: That's a fair point. I've been doing activism for 20 years. I've been on the ground as a resister to these things for 20 years. And every political movement, every political candidate has plants from the other party there to make them look bad.

The difference is the candidate historically has not said punch people in the face. Because even if people are there to cause problems, telling your supporters to punch them in the face only makes things worse. The goal of a politician should be to de-escalate these situations, not escalate it.

CUOMO: Chicago was the ugliest we've seen so far. Officers, at least one guy hurt there. Turned into a near-riot situation, had to cancel the event. How do you see it? [07:25:07] JONATHAN GILLIAM, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I

understand what Marc is saying about our right to speak over somebody and right to free speech.

But, when we have a right to assemble, especially inside a private place and actually meet up and discuss peacefully what we're trying to discuss, to have people come in, in an organized fashion, with the intent of disrupting, causing intimidation and potentially inciting violence.

Now what we're starting to see is far beyond one individual or one candidate saying something in particular. And more upon -- we're putting the emphasis, or should be putting emphasis more upon this group or groups of people that are coming in to do this. Because what we're doing now, both sides are skating the ethical line. There's no doubt about that. And legally, it's going to be very difficult to prosecute anybody. There's no record, really of a lot of people being prosecuted for this.

But the powder keg that is being built right now, that is the thing that we all have to start looking at, because as we were talking before we came on camera, this is something that could turn completely violent, and blood could be shed. And that is where, because both of these groups are very charged. That's where we're going to see things change.

CUOMO: If you were security adviser to Donald Trump's team, would you tell him to calm it down when these things are going on in the crowd? Don't egg it on? Forget about your legal responsibilities? Would that be your advice?

GILLIAM: Well, it's a very difficult question, because Donald Trump is running on the platform of standing up to these protesters and standing up to the status quo politically.

So I would definitely say those particular words of punch somebody in the face and getting involved and saying that "I'm going to pay somebody's legal bills," you're setting yourself up for maybe not being prosecuted but definitely a lot of heartache.

On the other hand, I would definitely start to look at these different groups and the organizers of these groups. Because everything's changed. Everything they do when they go online to organize these things, and they always do, now you have a trail.

And not that we would ever prosecute anyone under a RICO status or something similar to that, if we start to show large groups of people organizing for the sheer purpose of inciting violence, of rioting and causing sheer intimidation, we're not just looking at protesting. Now we're looking at something that is organized and really does go against the civil rights that we have.

CUOMO: The private venue, Professor, is what makes it a little bit complicated -- complicated for your side of the analysis, that when he actually buys a venue to hold an event, in terms of what's allowed to go on in there, it changes in terms of the favor of the event. HILL: To some extent. Let's not forget these are public figures who

are having public events so that the public will vote for them. So if we start to privatize the critique here, that leads us on a dangerous path.

Another thing that I want to make sure we don't do, since we're on national TV, is pose a hypothetical that's also counter-factual. These people aren't organizing for the purpose of violence or inciting violence. There's no evidence of that.

I've been around these movements, again, for decades. And if you look closely at them, even right now, this current moment in history, they're not organized to incite violence. There's no organizing to cause problems or intimidation or harm. They're protesting what they consider to be an aggressive and violent rhetoric.

We saw these same protesters come to Hillary in Atlanta. I saw them at Bernie Sanders in Seattle. I've seen them all over the country. The only difference between what happened there and what's happened here, is that Hillary and Bernie haven't said, "Hey, punch them in the face." And somehow, it seems to be you get a better result when you don't tell people to punch people in the face, which I'm glad we both agree on.

CUOMO: Final word, Jon.

GILLIAM: Well, I think you have to look at the actions of both groups, and you have to look at the actions and their reasons that both groups are there.

And I just think right now, especially in the media, we have to be very careful, and we have to set ethical standards and follow those ethical standards, because we're all a match that could easily set this powder keg off.

And so I guess the last thing I'll say is that, during these things in Chicago, I saw a tweet where a woman said that, "If I was just watching them make the big three networks, I wouldn't know what's going on."

I think it's very important that the media takes the lead in tamping down the pressure that's going on here, regardless of what people are saying.

CUOMO: Understood. Gentlemen, thank you very much. Appreciate both sides of the analysis, as always -- Mick.

PEREIRA: We know Bernie Sanders is campaigning hard in the Midwest with the same message that delivered the surprise win in Michigan last week. Can he do it again? We're going to talk to a top Sanders supporter, next.

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