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GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm not going to be anybody's vice president.

[05:58:18] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's a rigged, disgusting, dirty system.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When people vote against you, they're stealing the election. It's a really odd notion.

KASICH: They're too divisive; they're too negative. It's very hard to turn negatives around.

TRUMP: Should we do the flag (ph)?

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have noticed under the bright spotlight Bernie Sanders has had trouble answering questions.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Secretary Clinton and I have some very strong differences of opinion.

CLINTON: New York values are not just good for New York. They're good for America.

SANDERS: I will be damned if we're going to see the American dream die.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Former Saints football player Will Smith gunned down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some guy looked pretty frantic. Looked like things were escalating.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a real strategy.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota, and Michaela Pereira.

CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Tuesday, April 12, now 6 a.m. in the east. The fix is in. Donald Trump insisting the Republican Party's delegate system is rigged. That's his word. Why? Because Colorado awarded all of its delegates to Cruz without a single vote being cast.

Cruz firing back, accusing Trump of whining.

The biggest prediction yet: "I will win it in three." That's Ohio Governor John Kasich saying at a CNN town hall last night that this race isn't going to be decided until the convention, and he will win it in the third round vote.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: As for the Democrats, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders sharpening attacking against each other just two days ahead of the critical CNN debate in Brooklyn. We've got this 2016 race covered the way only CNN can.

Let's begin with Phil Mattingly. Hi, Phil.

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Alisyn, well, they are the rules. You might not like the rules. You might attack the rules. But most of the state Republican parties set them last year. Some of these rules have been guiding the national Republican Party for decades. That doesn't mean Donald Trump is not going to attack them over and over again.

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TRUMP: It's a rigged, disgusting, dirty system.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): Donald Trump sounding off.

TRUMP: It's a fix. They said they're going to do it by delegate. Oh, isn't that nice?

MATTINGLY: Criticizing the primary system in Colorado after losing all 34 state delegates to Ted Cruz over the weekend. RNC Chairman Reince Priebus taking to Twitter to defend the process, writing, "The rules were set last year. Nothing mysterious. Nothing new. The rules have not changed."

Ted Cruz also responding to Trump's frustration at a rally in California.

CRUZ: Donald, it ain't stealing when the voters vote against you. It is the voters reclaiming this country and reclaiming sanity.

MATTINGLY: And blaming the frontrunner's losses on the failures of Trump's own campaign.

CRUZ (via phone): Their team is not remotely organizing on the ground. It's not based on the people. Donald is about Donald.

MATTINGLY: John Kasich acknowledging the complex delegate rules in a CNN town hall last night.

KASICH: It is a bizarre process. I'm not really in the middle of it.

MATTINGLY: Colorado just the latest state where Trump has been out- maneuvered by Cruz in key delegate fights. TRUMP: When everything is done, I find out I get less delegates than

this guy who got his ass kicked, OK? Give me a break.

MATTINGLY: Trump looking to New York to shifts the tide back in his favor.

TRUMP: He's Lyin' Ted Cruz. Remember that. And he does not like the people of New York. And that came out loud and clear.

MATTINGLY: Even though his own children missed the registration deadline and won't be able to vote for their father in his home state.

TRUMP (via phone): They were, you know, unaware of the rules. I think they have to register a year in advance, and they didn't. So Eric and Ivanka, I guess, won't be voting.

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MATTINGLY: So no help for his kids. But the New York primary not just one party only. Donald Trump also attacking Hillary Clinton yesterday, calling her life one big fat beautiful lie. That coming just a day after Hillary Clinton's campaign released an ad attacking Donald Trump, so New York primary just seven days away. Already some cross-party action going on at this moment, guys.

PEREIRA: You couldn't write some of this stuff in the script. People say it's implausible.

CAMEROTA: It's over the top. It's over the top.

PEREIRA: All right. Meantime, Ohio Governor John Kasich say -- says he is stepping up his delegate game while calling the process itself bizarre. During last night's CNN town hall with Kasich and his family, he told our Anderson Cooper he is staying in no matter what Trump and Cruz say.

Our White House correspondent, Michelle Kosinski, is here now with more.

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, guys. What a different venue this was, right? There was no fighting, no back and forth slams. Nobody trying too hard. Nobody trying to sound presidential. This was a candidate with his family. No fights broke out, although, hey, with family, you never know what could happen.

And so for the voter, to the viewer, this was a much more personal look at the person. For an hour-long show, there was a lot that came up. Listen.

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KAREN KASICH, WIFE OF JOHN KASICH: I'm the grill master in the family.

KOSINSKI: The entire Kasich family center stage at a CNN town hall. J. KASICH: I'm not that great. OK? Honestly. I'm doing the best I

can.

K. KASICH: You're pretty good at respecting us.

J. KASICH: Well, yes. I surrendered to you long ago.

KOSINSKI: The Republican presidential candidate joined by his wife Karen and twin daughters Emma and Reese, giving voters an intimate look at their life together.

REESE KASICH, JOHN KASICH'S DAUGHTER: He is just really godly and really, really fun. And sometimes a little silly. He's really loving. He's always checking up on us.

KOSINSKI: And speaking glowingly about him and his bid for president.

K. KASICH: I'm super proud of the way he has run this campaign and the way he's behaved. And I'm proud of the way people react to that.

KOSINSKI: Kasich taking the opportunity to reiterate his confidence that he'll win the nomination at a contested convention in July.

J. KASICH: I'm the only one that consistently beats Hillary in the fall. And also, they're going to try to figure out who has the record and the experience to be president. So it will become a very serious, heavy matter when we get into that convention, and it's all about the delegates.

KOSINSKI: And rejecting talk that he could be tapped for Donald Trump's V.P.

J. KASICH: I would be the worst vice president the country ever saw. You know why? Because I'm not like a vice president. I'm a president.

KOSINSKI: The Ohio governor explaining his position on the so-called religious freedom bills making their way across the South.

J. KASICH: I may not appreciate a certain lifestyle or even approve of it. But I can -- it doesn't mean I've got to go write a law and try to figure out how to have another wedge issue.

KOSINSKI: While his 16-year-old daughters reveal some of their father's quirkier habits.

[07:05:00] EMMA KASICH, DAUGHTER OF JOHN KASICH: He just tries to tell jokes that he thinks are funny. But they're mostly just funny to us because they're dumb.

R. KASICH: And he also thinks he's a really good dancer.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Uh-oh.

R. KASICH: So North, South...

COOPER: Wait, North, South? That's his move?

J. KASICH: Well, you've got to go north and south. You can't do this, over. You have to do the north, south, and I'm really, really good. Just kidding.

What do you think, Reese? I've gotten better.

R. KASICH: Yes. But you're not going to go on "Dancing with the Stars".

KOSINSKI: The Kasichs opening up about issues confronting all families, like bullying.

J. KASICH: I tell my daughters you need to stand up against it. and I think, Reese, there was an occasion where you did, didn't you? This is a big, big deal and a big problem. And we've got to look out for our kids, even when they are not our kids.

KOSINSKI: In an emotional moment, Kasich revealed how his family has changed his life.

J. KASICH: Marrying Karen, she's been just fantastic and such a great supporter. With the girls, you know, I love -- I love all of them so much. And that's where faith has to come in, because you know, they're now driving. And it's every -- and, you know, Reese had a boyfriend. Emma has a boyfriend. Is that a boyfriend that you have? I don't know. OK.

You know, at some point you have to let them go, right? You have to let them lead their own lives, and you have to have faith that you did it the right way.

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KOSINSKI: A much different look at the candidate there. Very interesting to hear from two 16-year-old girls, who say they don't see the negative parts of this campaign, because they're just not watching it; they're not paying attention to it.

And Kasich was also able to forecast a big speech he's giving this morning. But he's going two paths. He's contrasting what his opponents are putting out there that he says is fomenting fear, with what his path is. He's saying that is to unite people.

Back to you guys.

CUOMO: You had to love that Muhammad Ali-type prediction: "I'm going to win it in three, Howard," or in this case, Anderson, talking about the third round of votes at the convention.

We have CNN Politics executive editor Mr. Mark Preston; and CNN political analyst David Gregory.

So the state of play, Mr. Preston. When we're looking at the state right now, it seems that Donald Trump is pushing a vibe of being cheated, that he saw it in Colorado and New York as a chance to make right. What do you think the play here is, the plus minus?

MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Well, certainly, the play for Donald Trump is to try to act as this populist Republican that is being gamed by the insiders in Washington, D.C., and to some respect, he will get support from that. Certainly, from those who are backing him, but the fact of the matter is, whether you like the rules or you don't like the rules, as Phil was saying earlier, the rules were established. The rules were set. You've got to play by the rules. If you want to change the rules, go ahead and change the rules, but you can't change them mid-game.

CAMEROTA: But David, here is the irony. This system that Donald Trump calls this rigged, disgusting, dirty system is actually working to his favor. I mean, notwithstanding Colorado. Look at the numbers. It's been pointed out that he's won 37 percent -- just give me a minute here. He's won 37 percent of the raw vote...

CUOMO: Man. Big enemy (ph).

CAMEROTA: Let's pull it up for you. There it is, 37 percent of the raw, you know, popular vote, OK? But he's got 43 percent of the delegates. So other than Colorado, which is where this sort of came into stark relief for him, the delegate system appears to be working for him.

GREGORY: Can I see your calculation on that, Alisyn?

CAMEROTA: Yes. It's on the screen. Please.

GREGORY: I want to see the actual envelope. No, I think it's an important point that you make, and it says something else.

Look, Donald Trump sees obvious value in going after a difficult-to- understand delegate system. Because it's been a while since we've had to get to the point where We are looking daily at the ins and outs of securing delegates for the nomination fight.

But I think what all of this underscores, as much as he's a Republican populist and he's going to run against the system, if he's being challenged, the first ballot at the convention is the game for Donald Trump. And he does have the ability.

You know, he may be railing against Colorado, railing against the party, but he's also got some people in his corner now. Maybe a little too late, but people who are now coming in, trying to run a more traditional campaign and secure the delegates and negotiate where they have to, so that if he is close on the first ballot, maybe he can still secure it and get to that magic number. If he gets into these later votes, a second and a third ballot, he could definitely be in trouble.

CUOMO: Second and third ballot. Again, this is -- these are big ifs. OK. This is unusual that we would see that. But what do you make, Mark, of the Kasich prediction, that "it's going to go three, and that's when I take it"?

PRESTON: Well, look, I think that it very well could go three.

CUOMO: Really?

PRESTON: It perhaps could go four. But I don't know if John Kasich is going to be the one who survives and comes out on top.

You know, we saw John Kasich at the town hall last night, making the case that he is the person who should be leading the party. What he's hoping for is a mutual destruction to occur between Trump and Cruz that they just battle so hard against one another that he comes out as the uniter.

[06:10:09] The problem for John Kasich is a couple of things. One, he got into the race too late. Two, he got into the race where there was too many people that were like-minded or had the same kind of political resume.

CUOMO: Hasn't won a delegate in a month.

PRESTON: He has only won one state throughout this whole process but still is chugging along. You know, last night he said, "Listen, I'm still here." Yes, of course he's still there. You know, anyone can still be there. Having said that, though, if you're John Kasich, why get out of the race?

GREGORY: I agree with that. Why get out of the race, because you look at the polling for a general. I think at some point the party looks really hard at electability in a year where it had been hampered by this campaign so far. They've been hindered by it. And look, he's also trying to put attention on Cruz, not just Trump as Cruz as a flawed alternative. Cruz doesn't always get attention for his views that are going to alienate some of the Republican Party as well as Trump, and I think Kasich wants to be that last many standing, understanding that the idea of someone coming in and there's a white horse here at the end is -- is something of a fantasy. Whether that's a Romney or whether that's a Ryan.

So I think he just wants to be there as an alternative in case someone wants to turn to him.

CAMEROTA: Mark, how about this other hiccup that was revealed in the Trump campaign yesterday? That being that his children, Eric and Ivanka, will not be able to vote for him in the upcoming New York primary. They put out a statement that read, "New York is one of the most onerous states in terms of time frame to change party affiliation for a closed primary, and the deadline unfortunately passed in October of 2015."

Does that mean that they were registered Democrats?

CUOMO: They could have been independent.

PRESTON: They could have been independent. Or perhaps they weren't registered at all.

But you know, interestingly enough, you look at that statement, they were putting the blame on the state and not accepting blame for themselves. Although Trump yesterday basically put the blame on his children.

Look, this is just another small, embarrassing thing that Donald Trump is having to deal with at a time when his campaign, while doing well when he goes out and gives his flourishing rhetoric to try to get support, didn't build the infrastructure underneath it to ensure that he had more delegates.

CUOMO: Or be smart enough to not let this get out. You know? Why people have to know -- why do they have to know?

What do you think about the latest salvo, both of you guys? Let's play what Donald Trump is saying about Hillary Clinton. He's looking at what's happening in his party, but he's looking ahead, as well.

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TRUMP: I'm millions of votes ahead, which they don't even talk about. They never even mention it. They talk about delegates. And I'm hundreds of delegates ahead. But the system, folks is rigged. It's a rigged, disgusting, dirty system. You talk about liars.

I think Hillary might be worse than Ted. Her whole life has been a big, fat, beautiful lie. It's been a terrible, terrible lie. Everything about her is a lie.

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CUOMO: So David, this is exactly what is going to be said about him in a general election. Is it easy to get out there first?

GREGORY: Well, it just shows you how ugly the tenor of the campaign will be in a general election. And because Donald Trump is not going to shy away from going personal. We know that.

But look, he's also going to be really fast to go where Bernie Sanders has not wanted to go. And that's the real vulnerability that Hillary Clinton has on honesty and trustworthiness among voters that she's already experiencing that among Democratic voters. He's going to go there.

I think those two clips juxtaposed also shows something else. Donald Trump has relied on who during this campaign? Donald Trump. The insurgency aspect has servedhim incredibly well, his media strategy, his showmanship. He has not really, really buckled down to pay attention to how you run a traditional campaign, whether it's knowing his mind, knowing issues of foreign policy or really knowing how to secure delegates.

CAMEROTA: All right, guys, stick around. We want to talk to you about the other side, as well, in one moment.

CUOMO: Thank you for David Gregory for knitting those two sound bites together, which I played by mistake.

CAMEROTA: I know. You hit the button right here, and I knew that was wrong.

CUOMO: I know. Well, that's what my...

CAMEROTA: When you hit that red button.

CUOMO: That's what my nose is. People think it's this big for no reason, but it actually activates what you see at home.

CAMEROTA: Sound bites.

CUOMO: Tonight at 9 Eastern, first it was the Kasichs. Now the Trumps in full effect: wife Melania, daughters Ivanka and Tiffany, and sons Eric and Donald Jr., and of course, Papa Donald, all taking questions from New York voters in our next CNN Republican presidential town hall, hosted by our main man, Anderson Cooper.

Then tomorrow night, Texas Senator Ted Cruz and wife Heidi have their turn.

Again, tonight at 9 Eastern right here on CNN.

PEREIRA: I have to smack the button and -- to change the screen to what I need to do.

CUOMO: That's what happens. You smack my nose.

PEREIRA: All right. Now to the Democrats. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders sharpening their attacks ahead of Thursday's crucial CNN debate. Clinton is holding on to a double-digit lead in New York's primary a week from today. Chris Frates is live in Rochester with more.

Good morning, Chris.

[06:15:07] CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Michaela. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are fighting like two cats in a bag, slamming each other on guns, Wall Street and their record, Clinton putting a new spin on an old dig, saying that a lot of guns that come out of Sanders' home state in Vermont are used in New York City crimes and questioning Sanders's ability to handle the famously aggressive New York City press.

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CLINTON: I have noticed that, under the bright spotlight and scrutiny here in New York, Senator Sanders has had trouble answering questions. He's had trouble answering questions about his core issues, mainly dealing with the banks. He's had trouble answering foreign policy questions.

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FRATES: No Sanders is firing back, slamming Clinton for giving six- figure speeches at Wall Street firms and questioning her judgment, including her vote for the Iraq war, which Clinton has since said is a mistake. Now, Clinton is ahead by double digits in polls here in New York, and

she is already starting to focus on Republicans, running an ad against Donald Trump yesterday and starting to sound more and more like a general election candidate.

Alisyn, back to you, my friend.

CAMEROTA: Lively there at this hour, Chris. Thanks so much.

FRATES: It is.

CAMEROTA: It really is.

Well, Bernie Sanders hoping to pull off an upset in New York. But of course, New York has a closed primary, meaning only Democrats, registered Democrats can vote here. So will that actually hurt Sanders? We discuss that next. .

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[06:20:34] CAMEROTA: All right. The war over policy is heating up between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders ahead of Thursday's debate and next week's New York primary. Listen to this.

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CLINTON: I started co-sponsoring the DREAM Act back in 2002 or '03. And I consistently did that.

Senator Sanders, by contrast, was supporting vigilantes.

SANDERS: Secretary Clinton and her State Department worked to export fracking throughout the world. In my view, that is unacceptable.

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CAMEROTA: All right. Let's discuss all this. We want to bring back Mark Preston and David Gregory.

ark, those attacks, those comments, are those fair? She says he supports vigilantes. Sanders says tried -- sending fracking out to the world. Are these fair?

PRESTON: It goes to show you right now where the state of play is right now in the Democratic Party. For the most part we haven't seen these kind of attacks. And these aren't policy attacks. These are personal attacks.

CAMEROTA: Are they? I mean, aren't they talking about each other's policies?

PRESTON: They are. But the tone and tenor of how they're doing it is really what is resonating through and what we're talking about right now. It's not so much that -- that we're talking about whether Hillary Clinton was for fracking or not for fracking. It's how Bernie Sanders is presenting it. On the flip side, the way that she's doing it, as well.

This has largely been eclipsed, though, by the Donald Trump phenomenon. We're so focused on this Republican side. What's interesting is that, if you saw Hillary Clinton just recently go after Donald Trump with this new ad here in New York, very smart play on her part. Because what it did is allow her to direct her fire at somebody else, at the same time, not alienating those Bernie Sanders liberal voters.

CUOMO: What -- David Gregory, the Minuteman thing, that's what this is about. Sanders was part of an effort that would have supported the effort to these Minutemen. I mean, is that political esoterica? I mean, you can throw out there he supports vigilantes, but like, where does that land?

GREGORY: Well, I think it lands to something larger here, right? Here's people who have been in public life for a long time. There's some touch, you know, hot button issues that Democratic voters are going to respond to. And they want to -- they want to hit those buttons where they can.

Just to highlight the question of qualifications and judgment, that's what's been carried back and forth here for about a week now. Who's got the most judgment? Who's got the kinds of qualifications?

So you hear him bringing up not just immigration matters or fracking but, of course, the Iraq War to vote on the Iraq War to remind Democratic voters where she was on these big issues that were big dividing lines between the parties.

CAMEROTA: Let's talk about the New York primarily. The latest polls show Hillary Clinton winning handily. She has about 51 percent to Bernie Sanders' 39 percent.

Mark, this is a closed primary, meaning independents cannot vote in New York. And Republicans can't vote, so only Democrats. Does that hurt Bernie Sanders?

PRESTON: Well, certainly, he's been helped by the fact that the majority of the primaries up to this point have not been closed.

I think what's going to happen here in New York is Bernie Sanders has won seven of the last eight contests, but they have split the delegates. Right? That very well could happen here in New York. Hillary Clinton could win New York. But Bernie Sanders could come in just a few delegates behind. It will be an interesting twist on how the campaign plays that, saying, "Look, we won New York," and at the same time the delegate math doesn't change.

Now in the end, the fact of the matter is Sanders is way behind Hillary Clinton in the delegate math. I believe she only needs about 35 or 37 percent of the remaining delegates in order to win the nomination.

But like we're going to see on the Republican side, although not entirely -- we will certainly see some kind of a roll call and some kind of fight, I believe, on the Democratic floor. Hillary Clinton, you know, looks like, of course, she'll be the nominee. And it will not be nearly as contentious as the Republican Party. But it's not going to be an easy walk for her.

GREGORY: Let me just add, what's difficult about the New York primary is that there is no same-day registration, and if you are an independent or third party who wants now to vote as Democrat, you had to do so by last October. And if you're a first timer you had to register, I think, by March 25. So this is where Sanders has to rely on a surge of Democratic voters.

That has been a weakness for him. He needs young progressive Democrats to come out in New York.

CUOMO: Also, look, the reason that this is a big litmus test in this state is because it's got such a big minority population.

GREGORY: Yes.

CUOMO: And this is the big proving ground for Bernie Sanders to show, you know, "I can broaden the tent." How big a deal do you think the gun issue and manufacturer liability is going to be here in New York state with that population? The Clinton team is working very hard. And obviously, the left part of the party, especially New York state, pretty much pronounced being anti-gun.

[06:25:14] GREGORY: Yes. I think it's a pretty big deal. And I think it's the kind of issue that can get voters to turn out. I think combining that with what was only a few days, but he hasn't completely backed off of it, the notion that she's not qualified to be president, I think, can alienate some of those voters and make Clinton appear to be besieged. He can certainly turn out some voters.

I think, look, he's got a lot of enthusiasm on his side, even in New York. But as you say, he's got to prove in a bigger, more diverse state that he's got an ability to turn out his people in really big numbers.

CAMEROTA: Mark, back to your point about how Bernie Sanders continues to win states, but he doesn't really eat into her delegate count. This is exactly what Donald Trump was talking about with the disgusting, rigged system. Listen to Donald Trump on Bernie Sanders.

Listen to this.

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TRUMP: I see the results come in. Bernie Sanders wins. And he wins, and he wins. And then these people are saying he can't win, because the system is rigged.

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CAMEROTA: Donald Trump comparing himself to Bernie Sanders.

PRESTON: Yes. Interesting, right? Look, in many ways what we've seen in this fight for the Republican and Democratic nomination really has lifted the veil about how this happens.

You know, most people think you win a state, you win the state, you add it to your column. But there's such a complex formula that, in many ways, is designed to help the insider, in many ways, is designed to help the best funded candidate.

Look at someone like John Kasich. We were talking about him last segment. John Kasich got into the race too late. He doesn't have enough money. He's no longer really considered an insider. He's a governor outside in Ohio. Makes it very difficult for him to a play in the game at this point. We're seeing the same thing on the Democratic side.

CAMEROTA: Mark, David, thank you. Thanks for walking us through this.

And a reminder that we're just two days away from the CNN Democratic presidential debate in Brooklyn. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders face-to-face for the first time in more than five weeks and the last time before the crucial New York primary. That's Thursday, 9 p.m. Eastern, right here on CNN -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right. There are new developments in the shooting death of former NFL star Will Smith. The alleged gunman is now claiming to be the real victim. There's new video, as well, from just seconds after that deadly confrontation. You'll see it next on NEW DAY.

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