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Prince's Family Heads To Court; CNN Special On Raid That Killed Osama Bin Laden; Women Voters On The "Woman Card" Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired May 02, 2016 - 06:30   ET

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[06:31:03] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: This morning, Prince's family heads to a Minnesota court to figure out how to handle his considerable estate. The late megastar did not leave behind a will, but CNN has learned he did leave behind a vault where those unreleased songs all could be.

CNN's Stephanie Elam live outside of Minneapolis with more -- Stephanie.

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, John. Yes, we are outside of the justice center here in the Carver County. This is the county where Prince lived and this is also where he passed away.

So today we are going to have this probate hearing that we'll be attending today. This the first step in trying to decide how Bremmer Trust, who's been charged as being the agent for all of his estate, how they will move forward with breaking down all of his assets and dividing them.

Now he has one full-blooded sister, Tyka Nelson, and then he also had seven other siblings. Two of them have already passed away. So the question is how do they break it up between all of the siblings and whether it goes on to the deceased siblings' children?

As you might guess, this could be a mess, because he owned a lot of property. There is that massive vault of music released and unreleased. There is Paisley Park, all of that has to be decided.

And, Chris, if you get the impression that this is going to be a long, drawn out arduous process, you'd be correct.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: You know, this is tough. Every family seems to go through it. It seems like nobody's immune from the least sophisticated to the most sophisticated, but there's just so much charity here to be had as well. This is going to be tough and we'll follow it. Thank you for covering it, my friend.

Let's take a quick break. It's hard to believe it was five years ago today that the U.S. killed Osama Bin Laden. It's been five years. So how did it all go down?

President Obama and key staff members reveal what it took to pull off that mission. This is a CNN exclusive you've not heard these answers before.

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BERMAN: Today marks five years since Osama Bin Laden was killed in a raid by U.S. Special Forces in Pakistan. In a CNN exclusive that airs tonight on "AC 360," President Obama and key members of his inner circle talked to CNN's Peter Bergen about the planning and preparation that went into hunting down the world's most wanted terrorist. Look at this.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: On decisions like this, you're leaning in a certain direction. I had been inclined to take -- take the shot fairly early on in the discussions, but you hold back the decision until you have to make it.

And in the end, what I very much appreciated was the degree to which we had an honest debate. One of the lessons I drew from that was that good process leads to good results.

I could honestly say by the time I made the decision that everybody had had their say, that we had all the information and we were going to be able to get, and we had not looked tat through rose-colored glasses.

We knew the risks involved. We had prepared as well as we could, and it was in that way emblematic of -- of presidential decision-making.

You're always working with probabilities, and you make a decision, not based on 100 percent certainty, but with the best information that you've got.

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BERMAN: The special is called "We Got Him, President Obama, Bin Laden, and The Future of the War on Terror," airs tonight. CNN national security analyst, Peter Bergen joins us here with a preview.

Peter, fascinating interview, from the very position where you did the interview, which was in "The Situation Room," which you told me is not a room, it's a complex of rooms, and it's where the iconic photo was taken during that raid.

We've all seen it so many times, the president sitting there with advisers. What did you learn about the emotions going on in this room at this moment that the photo was taken?

PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: President Obama, of course, the helicopter went down. I asked him, what were you thinking? He said, well, it wasn't a really good start. Sort of a little bit of dry humor here.

Clearly, Hillary Clinton told us that it was the most intense 30 minutes of her life. You know, they were -- a lot of the people who had made this decision had visions of Jimmy Carter.

Of course, the failure to rescue the hostages in Iran essentially made him a one-term president. You know, we know how this turned out, but it wasn't clear to the participants how it's going to turn out when they are actually making the decision and in the room.

[06:40:09]BERMAN: The president talked to you so much about the decision-making process and he said waited until he absolutely had to make the decision to do so. What was that moment? What put him over the edge in terms of having to decide?

BERGEN: Well, one thing was the lunar cycle. There was no moon around the time they were making this decision and that was very important. Obviously, if you had to wait another month, the possibility of the information leaking.

We now know from the Bin Laden documents that were recovered in the compound that Bin Laden and his body guards were having a dispute.

So much so that they were thinking, people were thinking of leaving the compound and President Obama said, you know, he just thought this was the best shot that they might have.

BERMAN: And time was running out. He's talked so much to you and we've heard him speak before about the differing opinions there, and how much he appreciated hearing them all.

Was there one person or a group of people more persuasive than others or ultimately was the discussion, the debate really inside the president's head, but he was just letting people speak their minds?

BERGEN: Maybe a little of both, John. I mean, at the end of the day, it's his decision. It's a very lonely place to be. I mean, people who came in and said there is a 40 percent chance that Bin Laden's there, 60 percent, 80 percent.

At the end of the day, he's either there or he wasn't. Secretary Gates, who after all had become, worked in the Nixon White House when Obama was 13. Vice President Biden, who became a senator when Obama was 12 both said, don't do the raid.

Hillary Clinton said, do the raid. If they'd all said don't do the raid, that would have caused some pause, but, you know, quite a lot of people other than the people I just mentioned were also advocating for the raid.

BERMAN: In that picture that we keep on looking at and seen so many times, was he always going to be in the room for this or was he supposed to be there?

BERGEN: Not at all. In fact, that room, no one was supposed to be in that room. You can how jammed up it was with people. You know, the -- they could watch video in the small room. They could only hear in the situation room. People wanted to watch what was going on. You know? BERMAN: That's amazing. It's an amazing thing to see still to this day five years later. Peter Bergen, thank you so much for being with us. Really appreciate it. Looking forward to seeing the show tonight.

Join us tonight for the CNN special "We Got Him: President Obama, Bin Laden, and the Future of the War on Terror." It's on "AC 360" at 8:00 Eastern only on CNN -- Alisyn.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: OK, John, Donald Trump claims Hillary Clinton is playing the, quote, "women card." How do female voters feel about Trump and Clinton and their battle over gender? We ask them next.

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CUOMO: Oh, no, what's going to happen to the Warriors? They don't have Steph Curry anymore. It doesn't matter. He sat out game one of their playoff series against the Trailblazers. Coy Wire has more in the morning's "Bleacher Report." Coy, it's all about the team. Can't be one player deep, can you?

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: You know it. They come at you in droves. Steph curry out with a right knee injury. Who was going to step up in their series against Portland? Klay Thompson? Tries to d him up, but it didn't matter.

He was on fire early. First quarter, 18 points when the entire Trailblazers' team only had 17 in the first quarter. Klay Thompson finished with a career high 37 in the game. Check it out.

Anderson (inaudible) sweeping the leg of Henderson. OK, now we're going to get into it a little bit. Chest bumping and everything. Both players get a technical foul. Later it would be ejected in the game when they continued to talk trash. Warriors go on to take the win, though, game one, 118-106.

Pacers and Raptors game seven in Toronto. Check it out. Don't blink you'll miss the spin. Wicked. Look at that. Whew! Can't defend what you can't see. Ellis gets owned by Derozan who finished with 30 points. Raptors win 89-84. It's their first best of seven series win in franchise history.

Alisyn, two more playoff games on TNT. Hawks and Cavaliers start their series at 7:00 p.m. Eastern followed by Thunder and Spurs, game two.

CAMEROTA: I knew that. Thanks so much, Coy.

WIRE: You're welcome.

CAMEROTA: Appreciate the report.

So what is the woman card and how do you play it? Real women, female voters from both sides of the aisle here to tell us what they think of Donald Trump saying the women card and whether Hillary is playing it. That's next.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Look, she's a strong person. She's going to have to be able to take it. The fact is, the only card she has is the woman's card. She's done a lousy job in so many ways and even women don't like her. If she were not a woman, she wouldn't even be in this race.

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CAMEROTA: All right, that was Donald Trump blasting Hillary Clinton for playing the so-called woman card. This morning we have a panel of women voters, Republicans and Democrats from around the country.

What do they think about Trump's views on women and how gender is playing out in this campaign? Let's ask them. Ladies, thanks so much for being here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good morning.

CAMEROTA: Great to have you all here. Edith, let me start with you. You are a small business owner. You are a mother of two. What does the woman card mean to you?

EDITH SUTTLES, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, it doesn't mean anything to me. I don't need a card, and Hillary doesn't need a card to be a woman. Maybe we should be asking Mr. Trump where's his man card and why is he so thin skinned?

CAMEROTA: And are you a Hillary supporter?

SUTTLES: Yes.

CAMEROTA: OK.

SUTTLES: I deliberately registered as a Democrat so that I could vote for Hillary Clinton.

CAMEROTA: Though you had been an independent?

SUTTLES: I had been an independent all my voting life.

CAMEROTA: Maricelly, let's pass the mic. You support Donald Trump.

MARICELLY VELEZ-DELGADO, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: I do.

CAMEROTA: What do you think of his argument that she's playing the woman card? VELEZ-DELGADO: I feel as a woman she has privilege because she is a woman, so it's an advantage to her, but I don't necessarily think that just because she's a female she'll get all the female support.

CAMEROTA: What do you think of his tone about her and about women? Has that bothered you at all?

VELEZ-DELGADO: No. I just butter it up and let it roll. I'm so focused on the issues, Alisyn. The issues are still we need jobs, border protection for this country, and I've been doing my research on Sharia law, which is House Resolution 569 that the Democrats passed on New Year's Eve. Sharia law does not protect women. Under this Muslim law a man can marry a 9-year-old woman.

CAMEROTA: So you're much more focused on the issues than on the tone of the race?

VELEZ-DELGADO: Absolutely.

CAMEROTA: OK. Katie, you support Hillary?

KATIE BLAIR, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Heck, yes.

CAMEROTA: What does the woman card mean to you?

BLAIR: I think it's pretty ridiculous and I think it's pretty offensive that Mr. Trump used that language. Hillary doesn't need a woman's card. She's by far the most qualified candidate, and the fact that she's a woman, yes, I think it's cool. We could have our first woman president, and, yes, it makes me -- that makes me happy, but I think that this kind of language needs to stop.

[06:25:05]CAMEROTA: Christy, you already have on a microphone. Nobody has to pass it to you. You're undecided. So what do you think of the tone and the subject matter of women during this race?

CHRISTY MURPHY, UNDECIDED REPUBLICAN VOTER: I don't mind Hillary picking up the woman card and playing that, so to speak. What bothers me is the way that she is playing that. It's one thing to use it to get elected or to create conversation in the election. It's another thing to make promises like, half of my cabinet will be women if I'm elected.

CAMEROTA: Why does that rub you the wrong way?

MURPHY: That rubs me the wrong way, because I feel like, I wouldn't want her making decisions based on just women. It sounds like middle school to me. Although for you, because you're a girl and I'll hire you because you're a girl.

I would hope she would put the very best people in place. So -- and then the rebounding rhetoric of men that are off the reservation. To me, then, she's playing the very same game that Trump has been playing.

CAMEROTA: When you heard her say that men -- I've worked with some men who are off the reservation. That was playing a gender card in a different way, you thought?

MURPHY: I felt like it was, and immediately her husband came to mind. That was the first thing that popped into my head and so --

CAMEROTA: Not the conversation that she, perhaps, wanted to plant there?

MURPHY: Probably not. And I understand. They're talking every day and under fire. I guess -- in a nutshell, I feel I'd rather have an unpolished candidate who makes mistakes sometimes with his words than a polished candidate who seems to have a lot of cover-ups and a lot of mistakes that are being shoved under the rug.

CAMEROTA: If you could hand the mic to Cheryl. Cheryl, how are you feeling about this?

CHERYL LAUX, UNDECIDED DEMOCRATIC VOTER: Well, I started out being a Bernie supporter, mainly because my 5-year-old granddaughter, Sosily (ph), is on Team Bernie and got grandma fired up, but as this rhetoric has heated up I have found the needle moving me closer to being a Hillary supporter.

CAMEROTA: So in other words what Donald Trump is saying is actually inspiring you to vote for Hillary?

LAUX: Yes. Absolutely.

CAMEROTA: How does that work?

LAUX: Well, the first time that it really caught my attention and gave me pause was when he said women should go to jail for having an abortion. That's a constitutional amendment.

CAMEROTA: Should be punished. Yes.

LAUX: Yes. And that -- that just really got me listening and paying attention to everything that was being said, and, of course, we have a very extreme governor in Mike Pence, who was doing, making, and signing legislation that is very close to that, and so it really -- it really got my attention.

CAMEROTA: Kristina, you support Donald, if you could hand the microphone over, you support Donald Trump.

KRISTINA MINIEAR, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Yes, I do.

CAMEROTA: Has the rhetoric bothered you that he uses?

MINIEAR: Actually it doesn't, because I love the way he speaks out on every issue, no matter what, and whether you're a man or a woman, we need to look at the truth, and of the exact real deal that's really going on here.

And I don't think there's been any other kind of races before that they put so much emphasis on it, and, frankly, I don't believe that, because he is saying that, that this means that every woman is blanketed with this.

Do I need to go find a library card and stamp it and say, hey, this is how I got to be with this?

CAMEROTA: That's the woman card?

MINIEAR: Yes.

CAMEROTA: Got it.

MINIEAR: Yes.

CAMEROTA: All right, ladies, thanks so much for all of the diversity of opinion here. Stand by, if you would, because we want to talk to you more. We're following a lot of news this morning, but we will be bringing back our panel in the 8:00 hour to talk more. We also have a live interview with Donald Trump. So stick around for that. Let's get right to it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I couldn't see. I can't breathe, nothing.

CAMEROTA: Violent protests breaking out on the streets of Seattle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When it becomes violent we have to do something.

TRUMP: In the two last ones they're like hanging by their fingertips.

SENATOR TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are campaigning through the end.

TRUMP: First time in the history of politics. A man who cannot win chose a vice presidential candidate!

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The leading Republican contender is the man who led the birther movement.

TRUMP: It's a mandate for change. Not Obama change. Real change.

CLINTON: We cannot let Barack Obama's legacy fall into Donald Trump's hands.

BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The evidence is extremely clear that I would be the stronger candidate.

CLINTON: Senator Sanders, you have to look at the reality.

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CAMEROTA: Good morning, everyone. Welcome back to your NEW DAY. John Berman is with us this morning. Great to have you.

So up first -- one day away from voters heading to the polls in the high stakes race in Indiana. Will the underdogs, Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders, stay alive after tomorrow? Donald Trump says the nomination is his if he wins Indiana. The Republican frontrunner joins us live here on NEW DAY in just a few moments.

CUOMO: But first, we do have breaking news. Violent protests breaking out on the streets of Seattle overnight.