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MARILYN ALVERO: He throws sensational comments out there to get the attention of the people. It's almost like entertainment. So that he can get those kind of soundbites that he needs so that people will think that he is saying what they want to hear.

[07:00:15] So folks today are basically just looking for anything that sounds like a change, but basically, they're buying into fraud. Just like Trump University.

CUOMO: But it's a desperate environment right now, and people are sick of the system.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People are desperate.

CUOMO: But people like Frank, so last word to you, sir. What matters most to you, and why are you voting the way you are?

FRANK AGUILAR, SUPPORTS DONALD TRUMP: Jobs. Bringing back jobs to the United States, and increasing our national security, and strengthening our defenses.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's not...

AGUILAR: But you have to give the man an opportunity.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have...

AGUILAR: I'm looking at Hillary, a Democrat years ago, and...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For the establishment and the jobs...

AGUILAR: But I -- but I tell you, give the man the opportunity. Give him a chance.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris...

FERNARDO UMBE, SOCIOLOGY & POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR: Let's be fair, too. I'm sorry, frank. Let's be fair, too. The reason Trump is doing as well as he's doing is in national polls against Hillary. It's because, and let's be very fair, Hillary Clinton is not trustworthy. She doesn't look believable. And I'm sorry to break that to supporters -- sorry, Marilyn. But the reality is she's not believable, and it's no coincidence

that that variable itself is why Trump and her are virtually tied.

CUOMO: Doesn't matter what the ethnicity is. We hear this with every voter panel. One of the biggest brains in journalism here, Tom Friedman the other day, who just said the same thing. Do I love my choices? No. We all have a choice to make regardless.

But let's leave it there right there. A lot of news to cover at the top of the hour. We're on the verge of history with Hillary Clinton if she can close off this nomination. Could it happen tomorrow? Let's start.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I want to finish strong here in California.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The process allowed Secretary Clinton over 400 super delegates before any other Democratic candidate was in the race.

CLINTON: I will have a significant majority of pledged delegates by the close of voting on Tuesday.

SANDERS: We're going to fight to become the nominee.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's of Mexican heritage, and he's very proud of it. I think he should recuse himself.

SEN. MITCH MITCHELL (R-KY), MAJORITY LEADER: I couldn't disagree more with what he -- what he had to say.

NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: I think it's inexcusable.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he were a Muslim judge would you also think they wouldn't be able to treat you fairly?

TRUMP: Ah, it's possible, yes.

MUHAMMAD ALI, FORMER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION: I am the greatest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Muhammad Ali was much more than the boxer. He was ambassador of peace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He'll be remembered as a man that really changed the world.

ALI: Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee!

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota. CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY.

Alisyn's off. My friend Brooke Baldwin is here.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT/ANCHOR: Good morning.

CUOMO: Very good to have you with us. Up first, Hillary Clinton poised to make history. Her win in Puerto Rican's primary putting her just 29 delegates from clinching the Democratic nomination. Tomorrow's final Super Tuesday, six states voting. The expectation is that will put her over the top, making her the first woman to become a presidential nominee in U.S. history.

Rival Bernie Sanders, he's not about the history. He's about his campaign, and he launched a new line of attacks and is pushing for a contested convention.

BALDWIN: We will get to the Dems. We will get to Republicans, as well, growing fear on the Republican side that Donald Trump's attacks on the judge's Mexican heritage could come back to fight him. Could Donald Trump cost the Latino vote in November and is he doing now, with these comments? Is he doing irreparable harm to the party?

We have the 2016 race covered for you as only CNN can. Let's begin with Chris Frates, live in Los Angeles.

Chris, good morning.

CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Brooke.

And I'll tell you. With one day to go until this final Super Tuesday of the primary season, Hillary Clinton is within striking distance of clinching the Democratic nomination and making history. But Bernie Sanders is not done. He's vowing that no matter what happens in Tuesday's contest, he's staying in the race until the convention.

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FRATES (voice-over): Hillary Clinton's win in Puerto Rico over the weekend puts her on the cusp of an historic nomination.

CLINTON: I want to finish strong here in California. It means -- it means the world to me.

FRATES: Now just a few delegates shy of hitting that magic number, becoming the first ever female presidential nominee. Clinton's looking to Tuesday's final round of Democratic primaries to seal the deal.

CLINTON: On Tuesday, I will have decisively won the popular vote, and I will have decisively won the pledged delegate majority. You can't get much more than that out of a primary season.

FRATES: Clinton telling CNN's Jake Tapper that after Tuesday's contest she's pushing for party unity. CLINTON: I expect Senator Sanders to do the same, and that we

will come together and be prepared to go to the convention in a unified way.

FRATES: But Clinton's rival Bernie Sanders argues that Clinton's super delegates shouldn't be counted just yet.

[07:05:04] SANDERS: Hillary Clinton will not have the requisite number of pledged delegates to win the Democratic nomination at the end of the nominating process. The Democratic National Convention will be a contested convention.

FRATES: Vowing to take his campaign all the way to the convention, he's banking on delegate-rich California to give him momentum. Sanders even elevating his attacks on Clinton Sunday, saying the foreign government donations to the Clinton Foundation are a conflict of interest.

SANDERS: If you asked me about the Clinton Foundation, do I have a problem, when a sitting secretary of state and a foundation run by her husband collects many millions of dollars from foreign governments, governments which are dictatorships? Do I have a problem with that? Yes, I do.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: Do you think it creates an appearance of a conflict of interest?

SANDERS: Yes, I do. I do.

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FRATES: Now Sanders concedes he will have an uphill battle after Tuesday, because really, the numbers don't lie. Clinton has around 500 more delegates than Sanders, 400 of which, Sanders says, you know, backed Clinton before Sanders even got this race. And he wants a chance to make his case to the super delegates before they vote at July's convention.

But if Clinton wins big tomorrow, that's an argument that gets even harder for Sanders to make, Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Mr. Frates, put a lot of issues on the table. Thank you for that. Let's discuss them now with chief strategist for Hillary for America, Mr. Joel Benenson.

Joel, good to have you on the show.

JOEL BENENSON, CHIEF STRATEGIST, HILLARY FOR AMERICA: Thank you.

CUOMO: So history. This is history that your candidate is on the cusp of. I feel like we don't hear about it enough from the campaign. Why? Is that a calculation?

BENENSON: Well, because you just mentioned it.

CUOMO: If you depend on us to toot your own horn, you're going to have trouble.

BENENSON: It's been talked about throughout the campaign. I think the reality is brought up from time to time. She talked about, you know, what it would mean for her to win from the first day she was out on the stump that some day every parent would be able to say to his or her daughter: she can grow up to be anything she wants. And she'll be able to see that palpably when Hillary Clinton is the nominee of a major party, first time ever in history. Obviously, tomorrow night that will be pretty clear. And hopefully go on and be elected president of the United States.

CUOMO: What's your best sense? You think you win California?

BENENSON: It's like a lot of states. It's close; it's competitive. I think we win a tight race, I do, and I think we're going to win New Jersey. I'm pretty confident about that. Earlier in the evening, no matter...

CUOMO: That will do it? That will do it? After New Jersey?

BENENSON: You see where we are right now. We're, you know, within reach, obviously, having the majority of pledged delegates. We're ahead by 289.

CUOMO: Do you think you get the pledged, as well as the overall number?

BENENSON: It looks like, you know, with the number, we've got 700 out there tomorrow night. We're over -- I can't remember our exact number right now. You know, it's a 289-, 290-delegate lead. Even if you split those in half tomorrow night, I think it probably puts us over a majority.

CUOMO: You guys have been saying all along, Sanders should be in this race. He should run his campaign. He should do what he thinks is right. Do you still feel that way? Because we're now very close to the date in 2008 where Hillary Clinton stepped aside for Barack Obama. That does not seem to be the case here. In fact, it's not the case.

BENENSON: Well, remember, Hillary Clinton did that after all the primaries were closed.

CUOMO: Yes.

BENENSON: That happens tomorrow night.

CUOMO: Yes.

BENENSON: And I think after that, the voting is done. The people have spoken. Hillary Clinton will have a lead in the popular vote over Senator Sanders by over 3 million. She'll have a majority of delegates. I think a majority of the pledged delegates.

I think by every measure, it's time to recognize what happened here, which is that Hillary Clinton won more states, more votes, more delegates. And she's going to be the nominee, and we hope he'll do what he said he'll do, which is work as hard as he can to make sure Donald Trump isn't president.

CUOMO: Well, what do you do at the convention, if it is, in fact, contested? If he's still making his case? What do you do?

BENENSON: Look, we want to have a convention that unites the party, that energizes the party, because the stakes in this race are pretty high. There will be a lot of conversations will happen beginning after the votes are counted tomorrow night.

Remember, Hillary Clinton, when you mentioned the date, it was about a week after the primaries concluded last time.

I think there's a reality here. Senator Sanders has run a spirited campaign. He's enthusiastically got his supporters out. But so did they in 2008. And they came together, because the Democrats have to stand together to defeat Donald Trump and the risk he poses.

CUOMO: The things that you need to do to win. Let's check some of them off. One, this is a small one, but it will help with this current audience that you have here. More press conferences. More press. Get out there. Don't hide. Don't let it all be about Trump. Are we going to see more of her?

BENENSON: Look, you've seen a lot of her. She does a lot of interviews.

CUOMO: Not enough. Press conferences, have been over 15 years.

BENENSON: I'm a former reporter, Chris. I can tell you that I've never been in a press corps or heard a press corps that didn't complain they weren't getting more of the candidate.

You know, what the voters want to hear is hear from the candidate directly. They love town halls. They love when they're out there meeting with voters, and they hear real people asking questions.

Books have been written about the kinds of questions, by the way, that voters ask as opposed to what reporters ask. A guy named James Fallows (ph) wrote one called "Breaking the News" many years ago. And what they looked at was that voters asked questions that are about their lives, and reporters ask questions that are all about the process. And what voters want to hear is the questions that are going to affect them, which candidate is going to do more to make a difference in their lives. Because that's what they're voting on.

CUOMO: All right. Then when we talk to voters, here's what we're hearing right now. With Trump, temperament is becoming an issue. With Clinton, trust has always been the issue, from "A" to "Z." Doesn't matter who we're talking to. And it's as true now as it was at the beginning.

The I.G. report cemented that. The spin out on your side, or the arguments out of your side is that I.G. report said no law was broken. It said a lot of things, like she never asked permission. Like nobody ever did this with a server. She shouldn't have deleted those e- mails. And all of that goes to trust. How do you combat that?

BENENSON: Well, look, you address the questions. She has repeatedly. Some of the things you just said are absolutely correct.

CUOMO: All of the things I just said are correct.

BENENSON: The I.G. report actually also said that the State Department has to clarify and modernize the communications about what rules exist. Secretary Kerry is the first secretary of state to have a state dot gov e-mail address.

But what's going to go on here, there are going to be positives and negatives that each candidate is going to speak about themselves and about each other. What's going to happen here is that there's going to be a campaign of issues and ideas, because that's what voters care about.

At the end of the day, which of these two people can I count on to make sure my income is going to go up? That this economy is going to work for me, not for people just at the top? Which candidate has a real plan to create jobs? Modernize our infrastructure, including power grid and make us the clean energy power, clean energy superpower of the 21st Century? As opposed to Donald Trump, who calls himself the king of debt and wants to add trillions of dollars in debt, which economists will say could put us in a permanent recession.

CUOMO: You can have a pedigree and have the ideas, but you do have to have the mandate. And that comes with the trust of the voter. What do you do on these issues, whether it's the I.G. report, whether about the email, whether it's about the Clinton Foundation? How do you go at them, or is the strategy to avoid them?

BENENSON: No. I think you address the questions. Look, she's addressed these questions over and over again, going back almost a year now. They came up before the I.G.'s report. They've come up since the I.G.'s report, which is you address them. And you get back to talking about what matters to people.

Who's going to create the jobs that are going to pay us enough to support a family? Who's going to make sure we raise wages and income in America? Who's going to make sure my kids is going to get a great education, no matter the ZIP code we live in? Those are the things that are going to matter to people. That's about their future. That's about the kind of America we want to build. And lastly, they want a president who understands that our diversity is a strength, and we are stronger when we act together as a country.

Not the kind of divisive, bigoted comments we've been hearing from Donald Trump. Not just about Latinos. Not just about Mexicans. We're talking about a guy who mocked the disabled reporter on camera, and then lied about it and said he never met the guy.

I was a reporter with Serge Kovaleski. Trump covered him for several years and everybody should see that video out that, as well as his comments that he's been making that divide Americans and pit us against each other. We've got big problems in this country and challenges that we have to solve. The only way we're going to do that is working together. They're not pitting each other against each other.

CUOMO: Joel Benenson, good luck tomorrow night, as we wish you the campaign, always a pleasure to have you on -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: All right, gentlemen, thank you very much.

As for the Republicans, there is growing fear inside the Republican Party, specifically about Donald Trump. A number of party leaders and donors, as well. They're worried that Trump's attacks on this judge's Mexican heritage will drive voters away this fall, but Donald Trump showing no signs of backing down.

CNN's Phil Mattingly is live at New York's Trump Tower. Phil, good morning.

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Brooke.

Donald Trump has had no shortage of opportunities to walk those attacks back, and no shortage of Republican officials telling him both publicly and, sources say, privately to do just that. He hasn't. And at least at this point, it appears he won't, and that is only raising fears inside the GOP.

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MATTINGLY (voice-over): Donald Trump now musing that a hypothetical Muslim judge might not remain neutral, if presiding over the case against Trump University.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it were a Muslim judge, would you also feel like they wouldn't be able to treat you fairly because of that policy of yours?

TRUMP: It's possible, yes. Yes. That would be possible.

MATTINGLY: And doubling down on his attacks against the Mexican- American federal judge he said should be disqualified from the trial.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: If you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism?

[07:15:08] TRUMP: He's proud of his heritage. OK? I'm building a wall. He's a Mexican.

TAPPER: You're invoking his race when talking about whether or not he can do his job.

TRUMP: I'm building a wall. OK? I'm bidding a wall.

TAPPER: Trump's comments increasingly raising sharp concerns inside the Republican Party.

NEWT GINGRICH (R), FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: This is one of the worst mistakes Trump has made and I think it's inexcusable. This judge is not Mexican. This judge is an American citizen.

MATTINGLY: Interviews with a series of top GOP officials, donors, fund-raisers and congressional aides making clear Trump has crossed a major line.

RYAN (via phone): I completely disagree with the thinking behind that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't condone the comments, and we can press on to another topic.

CHUCK TODD, HOST, NBC'S "MEET THE PRESS": Do you think it's a racist statement?

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MAJORITY LEADER: I don't agree with what he had to say. This is a man who was born in Indiana.

MATTINGLY: It's a line of attack the Republicans fear could endanger their majority in the Senate. The GOP is defending 24 seats this cycle, and it could threaten the future of the party. Something Senator McConnell hinted at in an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper last week.

TAPPER: Do you worry at all that your nominee now, Donald Trump, will do to Latino voters what Barry Goldwater did to African-American voters?

MCCONNELL: I do. I do.

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MATTINGLY: And, Chris, one of the big issues you hear from Republican officials is that this is just another instance of Republicans having to answer for Donald Trump's comments. Whether it's Paul Ryan, who's seeking to push his House Republican agenda, or endangered candidates in the Senate or House, every day is now dominated by answering to Donald Trump. That is problematic as they try to get their message out.

One other note: David French, the conservative writer, Iraq War veteran who had been considering a third-party candidacy, writing last night in "National Review" that he will not run for president. All of those conservatives continuing to look for a third-party option. So far, none has emerged -- Chris.

CUOMO: Well, Phil, if they were all going out there, hoping that what they say will influence Trump, to change what he's saying, they should prepare for disappointment. He's out there this morning, and he's saying they all have it wrong.

Thank you for the reporting.

We're going to give you the latest on what Trump's response is to calls that he shouldn't be talking about this judge's heritage as any kind of excuse. He's ready to fight, all the way to the finish. Next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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[07:21:19] TRUMP (via phone): For a jury, the good news is I go before a jury. So -- but it shouldn't even be a case. This case should have been thrown out on summary judgment, and if somebody else, this would have been thrown out at summary judgment. As far as Newt is concerned, I saw Newt; I was surprised at Newt. I thought it was inappropriate, what he said.

BRIAN KILMEADE, CO-HOST, FOX NEWS CHANNEL'S "FOX & FRIENDS": He really believes that it's a -- it's a -- you can't bring up someone's ethnic background if they were born here in this country and that they are a federal judge appointed -- he was appointed by Governor Schwarzenegger originally.

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BALDWIN: We just wanted to turn that around for you, as you just heard the word "inappropriate." That's with Donald Trump and calling in to FOX referred to former speaker of the House and a huge Trump supporter, Newt Gingrich. We're hearing from him in the wake of this whole story, the California judge, who's a district court judge, Gonzalo Curiel, Trump repeatedly saying he has a conflict of interest because of the Trump University case, because of his Mexican heritage.

Let's begin there. Carl Higbie, spokesman for the pro-Trump Great America PAC, a former Navy SEAL. And Tim Miller is with us, too, former Jeb Bush spokesman who does not support Donald $ump.

Fellows, good morning.

CARL HIGBIE, SPOKESMAN, GREAT AMERICA PAC: Good morning.

BALDWIN: Happy Monday to you both.

TIM MILLER, FORMER JEB BUSH SPOKESMAN: Good morning, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Let me set it up. You just heard, Carl, begin with you, Mr. Trump responding to Newt Gingrich from over the weekend. So in case you haven't heard this, here is Newt Gingrich being asked about Donald Trump's comments pertaining to this judge.

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GINGRICH: This is one of the worst mistakes Trump has made, and I think it's inexcusable.

First of all, this judge was born in Indiana. He is an American, period. If a liberal were to attack Justice Clarence Thomas on the grounds that he's black, we would all go crazy.

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BALDWIN: So, Carl, add to the list of very prominent Republicans, Newt Gingrich, Bob Corker, Paul Ryan last week, Mitch McConnell, all repudiating what your guy has said about this judge.

CARL HIGBIE, SPOKESMAN, GREAT AMERICA PAC: But also, you've got to look at the fact that these prominent Republicans weren't always onboard with Trump. The American people got behind...

BALDWIN: But they are now.

HIGBIE: They are now, but, look -- Trump does things in a pretty unique way. There's no doubt about it, but it's working. It's winning. People are excited to see somebody outside the box.

And the other way, too, to look at this. His comments on the Mexican bias against him about the wall and things like that, fine. The real thing to look at is this judge is a member, affiliated with a firm that gave half a million dollars to the Hillary Clinton side.

We need to be looking deeper at the fact that this is a Hillary supporter, and, you know, as was said in the Federalist Papers by Madison, you can't be a judge in your own trial. So we need to really look at his bias against Trump because of that.

BALDWIN: Schwarzenegger pick, Obama pick. I understand looking back at his previous politics, as well, is important. But bigger picture, Tim, do you think that this helps Mr. Trump? What do you make of those comments? Do you think they're racist?

MILLER: Absolutely they're racist and this is the thing that Donald Trump takes advantage of is, in our P.C. culture, a lot of time, there's a social media outrage mob that attacks people who -- who were unintentionally making comments that are deemed un-P.C.

So let's be explicitly clear about this. Attacking someone who can't do their job because of their race or their religion is absolutely racist. It's wrong.

And this is the thing. It's at the core of Donald Trump's campaign when he went down that escalator, and he made his announcement on June 16. He attacked Mexicans in an inappropriate and purposely demeaning manner, and this is the thing. It's his entire campaign.

So when I see people like Newt Gingrich, who are all of a sudden kind of outraged about Donald Trump, that want to have it both ways, want to support him but wag their finger at him? No. We need to embrace Donald Trump or reject him.

[07:25:00] These racist, demeaning remarks are at the core of his campaign. It's not right for the Republican Party. It's not in line with Reagan's shining city on the hill, and we need to say no to Donald Trump clearly.

HIGBIE: How is it racist to express a concern? I mean, this guy is obviously...

BALDWIN: He was born in Indiana, though. Born in Indiana.

MILLER: He's not a Mexican, for starters, Carl.

HIGBIE: Right. But he's...

MILLER: He's not a Mexican. Donald Trump is saying...

HIGBIE: Why is that pertinent?

MILLER: If you say someone...

HIGBIE: That's not racist to raise the question.

MILLER: If you -- if you are raising the question, can somebody make a clear-eyed judgment because of their race, because they are Mexican, they are inherently biased, that is a racist statement that Donald Trump is making. That a Mexican judge cannot be impartial, because he is Mexican. Or excuse me, a judge of Mexican descent cannot make an impartial judgment, because of his racial origin.

BALDWIN: Let me -- let me just jump in. Because that's one question that a lot of people are asking and even some of these prominent Republicans. None of it. Some of them. They're speaking around the notion of bigotry or racism, but they're not calling it that specifically. Beyond that, though, with the shifting demographics in this country, you want the Latino vote? Right? You need the Latino vote?

So in addition to what he said about building a wall and calling out multiple times, Judge Curiel's ethnicity, you know, what he said yesterday on CBS about it. And I wouldn't be OK with a Muslim either. You don't want to alienate those voters. In terms of sheer numbers, and if he wants to be the next president of the United States, how is this not going to hurt him?

HIGBIE: Well, I think he's not alienating these people in large numbers. There are certain numbers of people that he is in. But what he's speaking out against is the people like the people at his rallies, throwing rocks at the Trump -- at the pro-Trump people, burning American flags...

BALDWIN: Not talking about the rallies. I'm talking about a large part of the country whose votes you would like to have.

HIGBIE: I know dozens and dozens of Hispanics, and they're all pro-Trump, because they came here legally. They love his policies. In fact, they're like, look, we need a businessman who's going to get the process going to become legal more easily.

But also the fact that we don't want illegal immigrants here in the first place unless they're part of the system, and they've come here legally. So that's what Trump has...

BALDWIN: Tim, you know Florida. You know, jump in on, you know, what you know, how this is resonating, how important the Latino vote is. This is something that the Senate majority leader was really concerned about, Mitch McConnell talking about this over the weekend, as well. MILLER: Sometimes it feels a little silly to just be talking

about the political implications of this because just of how morally repulsive what Donald Trump is doing is. He's attacking somebody that is not a protestor, that -- he's attacking a judge. And when Carl says that he is critical of illegal immigrants, well, that's not -- not even true when it comes to Muslims. He wants to ban legal immigration for Muslims who want to come to this country.

So sure, yes, you're right, Brooke. Politically speaking, this is a disaster.

BALDWIN: I'm just putting out the multiple layers at stake here.

MILLER: Yes, absolutely. And if you look at South Florida, where Jeb is from, the Congress and Carlos Carvello (ph), Iliana Ros- Lehtinen, who are from South Florida, can't even support Donald Trump.

They're one of the few Republicans who are standing up against him, because he's -- his brand is so damaging in South Florida, which is absolutely a key swing area of the country that we're going to need to win if we want to win national elections.

BALDWIN: Tim Miller, I appreciate both perspectives. Thank you both so much.

Chris, to you.

CUOMO: All right.

Look, what is this going to mean to voters? At the end of the day, everything else is just talk. Right? Well, we have one of Judge Curiel's colleagues. The first Latino president of the California state bar. He's joining us live to say what this means to him as a person but also what he thinks this means for the campaign. Next.

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