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Gunmen Open Fire In Tel Aviv, Killing 4 People; Mark Cuban On Donald Trump; Outrage Over Rape Sentence. Aired 8:30-9a ET

Aired June 09, 2016 - 08:30   ET

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[08:33:13] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Time now for the five things to know for your NEW DAY. President Obama sitting down with Bernie Sanders at the White House this morning, Obama trying to unify the party behind Hillary Clinton as the Democrats' presumptive nominee. House speaker Paul Ryan and RNC Chairman Reince Priebus attending a summit with Mitt Romney today amid growing questions of whether Donald Trump can get past his attacks on a federal judge.

Israel beefing up presence in the West Bank and revoking 83,000 entry permits for Palestinians after four people were killed in a terror attack in a Tel Aviv market. Hamas is praising the attack by two Palestinian gunmen.

In a few hours, a Muslim prayer service for Mohammad Ali in his hometown of Louisville. It's open to the public. More than 18,000 expected to attend. President Bill Clinton will be among those eulogizing Ali at his funeral tomorrow.

The Cleveland Cavaliers, a surprise to me. Back on their home court jumping back into the NBA finals. Lebron James, 32 (ph) points, 11 rebounds, the Cavs rout the Warriors, 120 to 90. The Warriors do lead the series two to one, game four again in Cleveland, Friday night. For more on the five things to know, please go to newdaycnn.com for the latest. Alisyn --

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Oh, what's that, Chris? I'm sorry, the producers are just telling me you've been called out on assignment, so they need you to leave right now, and we've been upgraded here --

CUOMO: There he is. Look at him.

CAMEROTA: He's ready to go.

CUOMO: Where is your tie?

CAMEROTA: Do you know how to anchor a news show?

MARK CUBAN, CHAIRMAN, AXS TV: Oh, yes. Donald Trump says he does not need to raise a ton of money, but he wants his campaign to speak to one of the Koch brothers anyways.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Koch!

CUBAN: Yes, I know.

CAMEROTA: We'll edit that out.

CUBAN: We'll talk about the 2016 race with another billionaire, me, joining us next.

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[08:39:05] CUOMO: Provocative for sure, but provable as well. The proposition is this -- does Donald Trump have money problems in the campaign? There are reports that top campaign officials are asking for a meeting with the Koch brothers as Trump himself says that he doesn't need to raise much money because he can rely on us in the media. Is that a smart move for the billionaire? Who better to ask, entrepreneur and businessman himself, Mark Cuban. Thank you for being in the studio, as always.

CUBAN: Are you correcting my pronunciation?

CUOMO: I don't think you mispronounced it, that's the problem with you, Cuban. All right, so, you have talked about this on Twitter. You've said, yes, I think cash flow is an issue.

CUBAN: Yes.

CUOMO: Help us understand that, because we thought the man is made of money.

CUBAN: Well, net worth, we'll put that aside. That's really not important. What's important to Donald, to every candidate, like it is to either of us, is cash. Money plays. And so with the FEC filings, he can't misrepresent how much cash he has. And he had, at most, $165 million.

[08:40:03] He hasn't raised a lot of money. The RNC has to report how much -- the campaign has to report how much they've raised, and it's expensive to run a campaign, so the cash has to come from somewhere. The question is, where.

CUOMO: And you don't think he's going to put up all the cash that he could --

CUBAN: Oh, hell, no.

CUOMO: He has been putting money in as loans.

CUBAN: Loans -- he's probably not going to get paid back. There are rules there too, right. So, give him credit. He's put in as much -- I went and looked at Mitt Romney's filings, too -- Mitt put in like $45 million in 2012. Donald's put in that amount now. So he gets credit for that, right, but as his cash declines, he's not going to want to run out of cash. That's his life right there.

CUOMO: So do you go to the Koch brothers, if you were him? Do you go to the big pockets?

CUBAN: He has no choice. Now I know he says --

CUOMO: What's the problem with that?

CUBAN: Nothing. I guess you could say, depending on your perspective. He said he's not going to be beholden to donors, and that's changed.

CUOMO: You say your concern is that he could wind up being even more beholden than a Clinton. How?

CUBAN: Well, because, if you have no cash, or you're not willing to contribute your own personal cash, you're late in the game to raise money, you're going to have to give favors, right. Nobody is going to give him $100 million just because they like Donald Trump, right. They're not going to do it so they can maybe get a guest slot on "The Apprentice". So there's always a quid pro quo, and as he said, that's what he did when he gave cash. So he's going to do the same thing, in terms of requesting cash, that he did when he gave cash. He's going to ask for favors.

CUOMO: The assumption that he makes, that, I'm getting a lot of free media time -- but now we see what happened -- general election is different. Everybody else is out of the field now. There's an examination of him looking backwards and forwards that's different. Do you think this is the kind of free media that he's anticipating, what's happened since he made these comments about the judge's heritages and misstated the facts of his own fraud case?

CUBAN: Well, no, obviously that's not what prefers, and obviously the Republicans don't prefer it. In the past, when he said something, it was, well, there is 16 other candidates, or there's some other number of candidates and we're not going to have to deal with him much longer. Now he's the nominee. The challenge, the dichotomy is, you know, the more he is teleprompter Trump, the less interest the media is going to have. And so it used to be that any time he did a live event, there was a camera there to cover him. Whenever he wants to call in, there is somebody willing to take his call or take an appearance. But if he is going according to script, what's the point? You already have the script, so he's not going to get as much media. That's the dichotomy.

CUOMO: Now, you are not as concerned of a lasting effect that this, the comments about the judge and how Trump has been stating or misstating what happened in his trial before that judge, as others around him. That this was the metaphor effect, this is going to stick. You say no.

CUBAN: Yes, I mean, this is who he is, right.

CUOMO: But then why do we see the GOP standing up in a way they haven't before, using the word racist, whether or not it applies?

CUBAN: Because they all need to get reelected. Their constituency is far different than Donald Trump's constituency. Whoever Donald Trump's followers are, it's a whole new -- like he brags about it, he's brought in a new group of people to the Republican party to vote for him and they're not the same. And so the traditional Republican politicians still need to get reelected. CUOMO: If he sticks to form, and doesn't make his campaign about how

he will do what he believes is right for America, and instead, he says, I will prove that Hillary Clinton is a bad person, which is what he is doing, do you think he can win on that election?

CUBAN: No. And the reason is more about the ground game than anything else.

CUOMO: So it's not the message, it's the machinery.

CUBAN: It's the machinery, right. Because he talks about having gotten 13 million votes, and that's a record, right. But when you compare it to previous records, right, I forget which of the -- the first George Bush got 12 million votes, right? So Donald --

CUOMO: He says that was against 16 people, though. Those guys were against one or two.

CUBAN: And that's a good point, and that's fair, right. But still, it's not like he's brought so many people that will vote for him that he can win the general election. He's going to have to go back to the blocking and tackling at some point, because you still have to get people out of their house, to the polls, and actually placing votes, and that's not easy to do.

CUOMO: Are you serious when you say that you would want to be a vice- president? Would you want people like me digging into everything you've ever done on a regular basis? Not giving you this nice, you're a smart guy treatment, but giving you the beat down that you would sorely deserve?

CUBAN: Well fortunately, vice presidential candidates typically don't get the full beat down --

CUOMO: You would. Let me tell you something right now, you would get the full focus of my attention. (laughter)

CUBAN: Yes, look, I mean, my life has been crazy and I've done enough crazy things -- most of those things are online. There's plenty of those pictures already, so it's not like --

CUOMO: What's the upside to the service that you want people to remember about in this process? Because in truth, you're smart as hell when you talk about this stuff, and you care about it as well. You don't need to do this.

CUBAN: Well, I mean, I am a citizen like everybody else, and what's happening is scaring me, right. And it's not so much who will get elected, but it's what happens after they get elected. We've been picking on Trump, but Hillary is not absolved of blame, either.

[08:44:57] As much as we've said, they've turned Hillary into a nonperson, right. They've not treated her like a human being -- a lot of that is her fault. The customer is always right. The voter is always right. She hasn't done a good enough job of humanizing herself, and as a result, post election, if Hillary wins -- if we think gridlock is bad now, if we think approval ratings for congress are bad now, it's going to be 1,000 times worse.

CUOMO: You don't buy the Clinton argument that, I've been there before, these people know me, they'll work with me?

CUBAN: No, of course not. Because if you look at the obstructionism that the Republican Party has offered to Obama, it will be 1,000 times worse for Hillary Clinton. And so the argument, if I had to make an argument for Donald Trump, the argument is, I think right now, he would do a better job of crossing the aisle and reducing gridlock than Senator Clinton would. And I think that's a reflection of the fact that Senator Clinton has done a horrible job of communicating and humanizing herself. I mean, it's horrible to say for a presidential candidate, we're talking about humanizing, right, but they made her not human. They've demonized her so bad with Killary and all this name-calling that she has got, if she has any hope of accomplishing anything if she wins, she is going to have to get out there and really connect.

Now, in terms of me being vice president, the fact that I'm an independent, fiercely independent, I haven't given a penny to any candidate in more than a decade -- I have friends on both sides. I've worked with them, I get brought in for discussions and advice all the time -- I truly do get along with both sides of the aisle. I have no legacy feelings. I don't have any adherence to either party. And so if there is somebody who can be in the middle and connect the dots, that would be me.

CUOMO: Well, I hope you don't do it, because I want you here because I love talking to you about this and I think you help us every time.

CUBAN: Thanks, Chris.

CUOMO: Mark Cuban, everybody. Alisyn --

CAMEROTA: All right. There's national outrage after a convicted rapist gets just a six month jail sentence for a brutal attack on a college campus. We will ask student leaders at Stanford how they think this case was handled, that's next.

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[08:50:38] CAMEROTA: National outrage over a judge's six month sentence for a convicted rapist at Stanford, and obviously, students at the university are very angry. They say the mood on campus actually could be -- it could color Sunday's commencement. Let's ask two students, Jackson Beard and Amanda Edelman, president and vice president of the Associated Students of Stanford. Ladies, thanks so much for being here. Nice to have both of you on to talk about this. I know that this case has sent a shockwave across campuses, nowhere more so than Stanford. Amanda, what angers you most about this?

AMANDA EDELMAN, VICE PRESIDENT, ASSOCIATED STUDENTS OF STANFORD: I think that's a tough question. There are a lot of things about this that anger me. I think just looking broadly at the case, the first thing is that it happened. That is completely unacceptable. So A, the first that this incident occurred. Second, the impact that this has left on the survivor is incredibly damaging. I mean, yes, and then also, just if you look at the handling of the case --

CAMEROTA: Yes. Let's talk about that. Because obviously people are angry about the judge's handling of the case. This perpetrator could have gotten 14 years in prison, but in fact, was given six months, below the minimum suggested sentence, so Jackson, how do you think beyond the judge that Stanford could have done something different here?

JACKSON BEARD, PRESIDENT, ASSOCIATED STUDENTS OF STANFORD: Right. So it's kind of difficult to take a critical look at the legal system, given that we're still students at Stanford, our focus and obligations are to the student body, and so for us, this is the moment of deep reflection. I know the graduating class is reflecting deeply on their time at Stanford and what that means, and they have plans for their commencement ceremony in line with that, and for the students that remain on campus, thinking about how we can improve the community for the incoming freshman class and the incoming class of graduate students as well. And so what can we do as students, at the very least, moving forward, to create a safer, more inclusive community, where something like this cannot happen and is not tolerated by the student body.

CAMEROTA: Do you think this will come up at commencement?

BEARD: I think there's a lot of evidence, and there's a lot of lot of buzz going around the graduating class about demonstrating in some way. Obviously, these are all plans. It isn't Sunday yet. But I would not be surprised if there was some sort of demonstration in support of the survivor and against the type of assault and sexual violence that occurs on our campus.

CAMEROTA: You know, the victim in this case gave one of the most extraordinary impact statements in a courtroom that anybody has ever heard. She talked about the effect that this has had on her life, the pain and lingering effects. The perpetrator also gave a statement to the judge, and let me read a portion of that to you both. He said -- his name is Brock Turner. He said, coming from a small town in Ohio, I had never really experienced celebrating or partying that involved alcohol. However, when I came to school in California, it had become what I expected when spending a Saturday with friends. I began to champion the idea of relieving the stress of school and swimming by consuming alcohol on weekends with people. Amanda, you know, people often talk about the culture on campus of binge drinking and whether or not that contributes to sexual assault. Where are you on that?

EDELMAN: Yes, I think that a lot of people tend to conflate this idea of binge drinking with sexual assault. The reality is that they're not the same. I think it's remiss to think that alcohol doesn't play like a tiny part in sexual assaults, however, they are very separate. If you look at Brock Turner's statement, he kind of embodies this conflation of again, binge drinking with assault. Binge drinking does not create sexual assault. Sexual assault is created by individuals, and we have to change kind of the society and the systemic interactions between individuals that create sexual assault. Again, it's not about binge drinking.

CAMEROTA: Jackson, you're calling for better security on campus. What do you want Stanford to do differently?

BEARD: Right. I think there are -- there is a very long list of things that Stanford I think can do to improve the safety situation on our campus. I think some very obvious things are that our campus is very dark, and I think it's very appropriate to add more lighting. I think it is more appropriate to have patrol officers around our campus at night. Oftentimes they exist only on like the main street when there are a lot of other areas that get a lot of foot traffic from students in the evenings that are not patrolled. I think that would go a long way in improving the safety situation, and those are just like very simple steps. Illuminate and patrol.

[08:55:14] CAMEROTA: Well we'll be watching this closely, as we have been, this entire case. We'll see if Stanford takes up any of your suggestions as well as what happens this weekend. Jackson Beard, Amanda Edelman, thanks so much for coming on with your perspective.

BEARD: Thank you.

EDELMAN: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: We have the good stuff for you, that's next.

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CUOMO: This is the good stuff that shows what it should all be about. Eleven-year-old Kate Heller. She's in class, she sees a picture of African-American women walking barefoot. She looks at it and she says, you know what, I don't like this. I want to help this. So she starts spreading the word with friends and family and made a school presentation to get the word out.

CAMEROTA: These are African women.

CUOMO: That's right. What happened? More than 250 pairs of shoes.

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KATE HELLER, STUDENT: I didn't think I was going to get that much because like one day I just came to school and I saw bags and bags and I was like really surprised.

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CUOMO: Not African-American, African women there, walking with no shoes. So she spreads the word -- 250 pairs that she got to give to people in need. One kid, one idea, change.

CAMEROTA: So great. People are generous when you ask for it. Time now for NEWSROOM with Carol Costello. Hi, Carol.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: They are generous when you ask about it. Thanks so much, have a great day. NEWSROOM starts now.