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Aired June 17, 2016 - 06:00   ET

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[05:57:52] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was texting with his wife when he was barricaded in that bathroom.

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: The harrowing moments in the club.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can smell the blood. It was so much blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had information that he was going to put explosive vests on four people.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Grieving family members ask why does this keep happening?

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I'm going to save your Second Amendment, folks.

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D), NEW YORK: Donald Trump talking the talk, but he ain't walking the walk.

TRUMP: President Obama. He's blaming guns.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We don't act, we will keep seeing more massacres like this.

REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Is going after the Second Amendment how you stop terrorism? No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was not doing well. We could tell.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Meatloaf collapses onstage.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.

CAMEROTA: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY. it is Friday, June 17, 6 a.m. in the East. Chris is off today, and look who's here. David Gregory, who let you in?

DAVID GREGORY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: You know, I was delivering Chris's laundry to him, as I do most mornings. And he said, "Listen, can you fill in this morning, as well?"

It's great to be here with you, obviously. I wish it weren't on such a horrible week...

CAMEROTA: me, too.

GREGORY: ... at such a difficult time. But good to be here.

CAMEROTA: I know you will add some levity to all this.

GREGORY: I'll try.

CAMEROTA: We do have a lot of news this morning. First up, new details about the Orlando terrorist. A law enforcement source tells CNN that the deranged killer and his wife texted during the gay nightclub rampage. And we're also learning more about the killer's long history of behavioral issues.

GREGORY: This, Alisyn, as President Obama rips gun control opponents after meeting with the victims and families of Sunday's attack. So now, will Congress get anything done when they vote on several measures next week?

Let's begin our coverage with Polo Sandoval. He's live in Orlando with the very latest on the investigation.

Polo, good morning. What do you have?

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, David, right now, there are several families that are preparing to say a final farewell to their loved ones, some of the victims in last week's shooting.

Meanwhile, that search for answers continues as day six of the investigation is getting ready to get under way. Meanwhile, some investigators are now learning that the killer not only used his mobile phone to browse Facebook, but to text his wife, as well.

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SANDOVAL (voice-over): Two hours into the three-hour Orlando shooting terror attack, while holed up in a bathroom in a standoff with police, investigators say the killer exchanged text messages with his wife, Noor Salman, asking if she had seen the news. Authorities say she also tried calling him several times during the rampage, but he didn't answer.

This, as chilling new video from inside the gay nightclub surfaces. It was taken by a survivor as the killer passed inside one of the club's bathroom. Frightened club-goers huddling together, hoping they wouldn't be next.

Miguel Leiva recorded the grainy video. He was shot in the foot and in the leg.

MIGUEL LEIVA, SURVIVOR OF PULSE SHOOTING: There was about 17 of us in there. Only, like, five or six of us made it out. SANDOVAL: Captain Mark Canty describes the moment the SWAT team

breached the wall to rescue the victims inside.

CAPTAIN MARK CANTY, ORLANDO SWAT COMMANDER: While gun fire is still going on, you know, or just as our officers are engaging him, other police officers are running in there with no disregard -- with no regard for their safety, and they're pulling some of those victims out.

SANDOVAL: President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden spent the day in Orlando, meeting with victims and their families.

OBAMA: I held and hugged grieving family members and parents. And they asked, "Why does this keep happening?" And they pleaded that we do more to stop the carnage.

SANDOVAL: Obama's presidency challenged by dozens of mass shootings, forcing him to be consoler in chief. Many asking, could this massacre have been avoided?

Investigators are now piecing together the killer's past. CNN has obtained documents showing that the killer had behavioral issues dating back to elementary school. St. Lucie County school records show he was disciplined 31 times between 1992 and 1999 for rude and aggressive behavior.

A former elementary school classmate tells CNN that the shooter once threatened to bring a gun to school and kill everyone.

ROBERT ZIRKLE, CLASSMATE OF OMAR MATEEN: He was always a little out there, didn't really have too many friends.

SANDOVAL: Robert Zirkle and other classmates also told CNN that, in the days following 9/11, the killer claimed Osama bin Laden was his uncle. And that he also joked about the attacks.

ZIRKLE: He was acting like a plane, like, he had his arms out. He was, like, making a plane noise, and like he would -- he made a boom sound or like an explosion type of sound, fell in his seat. He was, like, laughing about it.

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SANDOVAL: And even more new information now surfacing and coming from Jensen Beach, Florida, which is not far from where the gunman lived, about two hours south of here.

An employee at a gun shop there now saying that he initially called the FBI in the days before the shooting, reporting that this individual had actually stopped by their shop to try to purchase level 3 body armor.

However, when FBI agents asked to see, perhaps, more documentation or at least more information and a possible sales documentation, it was not available. And when asked if there was any possible surveillance video, well, that also was not available. David, what this does, it really does speak to the fact that

investigators want for anybody that sees something to say something.

GREGORY: They have a lot more to learn as the investigation continues. Polo Sandoval down in Orlando for us this morning on the investigation.

From the investigation to the politics now. Donald Trump and John McCain are teaming up against President Obama to attack his anti- terror strategy, while the gun control debate heats up on Capitol Hill after the Orlando massacre. The Senate now set to vote on several gun-control measures as early as next week.

CNN's Manu Raju live in Washington with more on what's happening on the Hill -- Manu.

MANU RAJU, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, David.

That's right. Actually, bipartisan talks over gun legislation have actually stalled on Capitol Hill, that despite Democratic Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut leading a nearly 15-hour filibuster this week.

Nothing really has changed on Capitol Hill, other than perhaps intensifying tensions over this red-hot issue.

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TRUMP: It's almost like they gave up on ISIS.

RAJU (voice-over): Donald Trump taking on President Obama, joining fellow Republicans in framing the Orlando shooting as an issue of terrorism rather than guns.

TRUMP: To a large extent, he's blaming guns. And -- and I'm going to save your Second Amendment, folks.

RAJU: Top Republican John McCain striking a similar tone, laying blame for the massacre squarely at the president's feet.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: Barack Obama is directly responsible for it. Because when he pulled everybody out of Iraq, al Qaeda went to Syria, became ISIS. And ISIS is what it is today thanks to Barack Obama's failures.

RAJU: The 2008 Republican nominee clarifying within minutes that he, quote, "misspoke," saying in a statement, "I did not mean to imply that the president was personally responsible. I was referring to President Obama's national security decisions, not the president himself."

[06:05:06] Democrats quick to pounce, with Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid's spokesman telling CNN, "Senator McCain's unhinged comments are just the latest proof that Senate Republicans are puppets of Donald Trump."

This blame game happening as the gun debate continues to rage on Capitol Hill.

RYAN: Is going after the Second Amendment how you stop terrorism? No. That's not how you stop terrorism.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), MINORITY LEADER: The Republicans are going to have to explain to the American people why they are just plain handmaidens of the National Rifle Association.

RAJU: Both sides of the aisle presenting competing legislation aimed at keeping suspected terrorists from acquiring guns, with Democrats calling for an outright ban of sales to those on a terror watch list, something Republicans say could unfairly target innocent Americans.

And Republicans proposing to delay gun sales for three days to allow the FBI to investigate, an idea many Democrats call meaningless.

SCHUMER: It's a fake. It's a way for them to say they're doing something when they're doing nothing.

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RAJU: Now, as we expect the four gun bills to fail in the Senate Monday evening, watch for this fight to actually become a wedge issue in Senate races across the country, especially in a handful of blue states where incumbent Republican senators are battling to hang onto their seats.

Some Republicans are already beginning to insulate themselves. In Pennsylvania, Republican Senator Pat Toomey, who helped draft a universal background checks bill that failed in 2013, opposes the Democratic bill to prevent suspected terrorists from getting guns. And he has his own bill on this terror issue, but Democrats have already rejected his effort to compromise.

So Alisyn and David, this issue very quickly being wrapped up in election-year politics.

CAMEROTA: OK, Manu, you've given us a lot to think about.

So let's talk more about the political battle over guns, as well as the criticism about President Obama's terror response. We want to bring in CNN's Phil Mattingly and Errol Louis, CNN political commentator and political anchor of Time Warner Cable News. Guys, thanks so much for being here.

So, on Capitol Hill, is this just going to be a pathetic deja vu of everybody wringing their hands and nothing happening? Is there any way that these competing bills -- Phil, I'll start with you -- could get some traction?

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No. It sounds sad to say no, but this has become a very politicized issue. And I guess the response is, of course; it's in Congress. It's on Capitol Hill. Everything is politicized right now.

But I think the key thing from Manu's piece that you listened to is what Nancy Pelosi said and what Paul Ryan said. Nobody believes the other party's motivations are genuine. The Democrats believe it's a sop (ph) to the NRA. The Republicans believe you're using a terror issue, a massacre, to push your political values, your political beliefs on guns. And as long as there's no trust there, as long as there's no legitimate negotiations.

There are a few lawmakers on both sides of the aisle who this week have negotiated in good faith. But party leaders on both sides are more or less trying to shut down those negotiations. They don't like this issue. They don't like where it's going. And so no, Monday will be four votes on four amendments randomly to an appropriations bill, and all four will fail.

GREGORY: I would argue that we're in a slightly different moment, in part because you have the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump, opening the door to close what's called this terror loophole, which is if you are on a watch list, can you still buy a weapon? You currently can. And they want to close that here.

You see, Errol, Democrats saying, look, let's not go after the big things. Let's not try to ban automatic weapons. This was done back in the '90s. Let's focus on background checks, or in this case, let's try to pass a law that says, if you're on a watch list of some kind, if you're being investigated, you can't buy a weapon. Isn't there some room for that to move forward?

ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I've got to think so, in part because this is literally the lowest hanging fruit you can imagine.

From the point of view of ordinary people, outside of the Beltway, the notion that, yes, you can't get on a plane, because we think there's something unusual or suspicious about you. But if you want to go buy a gun, sure, go buy a gun, a high-powered gun at that.

So I think the factor that could change all of this -- and you know, I think we should hope that this could happen -- is that the public gets involved. You know, because what's so striking about all of this is that, if it plays out as Phil suggests, and you know, there's no reason to suspect otherwise, the reality is, it's very much at odds with what they tell -- the public tells the pollsters they actually want.

GREGORY: Right.

LOUIS: The voters say it in state after state.

CAMEROTA: Ninety percent They want expanded background checks.

LOUIS: And the notion that it somehow gets insulated from all that sentiment, I think, is really a matter of people not picking up the phone. And, you know, we know how this works on Capitol Hill. It's worth telling the audience, as a matter of fact. Is that there are people, probably the summer interns, who have to record all of those calls. How many people call for or against this idea or that bill?

And this really would be a good time. If people really cared about this issue, to spend a couple of minutes today and over the weekend to let their representatives know, especially in the Senate, how they feel about these things.

CAMEROTA: Manu, Donald Trump is an interesting wild card. Oh, sorry. I'm going to ask Phil. Manu has left the stage.

[06:10:07] Donald Trump is an interesting wild card here, because he's going off message in terms of the Republicans. And his first supporter in Congress, Senator Jeff Sessions, and one of the most ardent, seems to be bristling at Donald Trump's position that, "You know what? I'm going to sit down with the NRA and say that terrorists -- people on terror watch lists shouldn't be able to get their hands on guns."

So this is what Jeff Sessions said: "There's nothing wrong with Donald Trump trying to energize the discussion on it and work out something that would be healthy that we can all agree on. I think that's positive."

But, Senator Sessions said, the gun control issue is, quote, "not the greatest issue in the world" and that congressional Republicans should not take cues from Trump on this subject.

MATTINGLY: Uncomfortable, right? What he's saying publicly there is what I heard in a series of e-mails and text messages shortly after Donald Trump's tweet hit a couple days ago from Republicans aides.

This is a difficult position, because their leaders, their members have sided with the NRA on this issue up to this point. The NRA's position is very firm. When it comes to banning people on terror watch lists from purchasing guns, the answer is no. They will be opposed to that every single time. Excuse me.

What Donald Trump has done is basically given a new line of attack to Democrats. And David made the point. I think this is very accurate. He brought this issue to the forefront of a presidential campaign. An issue that Democrats have been trying to repeatedly push to the forefront. Now, the presumptive Republican nominee is doing just that.

I do think, though, the issue becomes for Jeff Sessions, this is also a protection issue. There are 24 Republican senators who are up for re-election in November. Manu made the point in his piece. Twelve in bluish to purplish states right now. This is a wedge issue they don't want to be talking about, heading into July.

GREGORY: But here's what's so interesting I find about this, that Donald Trump is actually consistent in his world view. Right? If he wants to abridge the freedom of religion by having a religious test for Muslims who come into America, he's OK with perhaps abridging Second Amendment freedoms by, if you're on a watch list, then you shouldn't be able to buy a gun, even if you don't get due process, which some Republicans want. There is some consistency there.

But a lot of Second Amendment advocates are saying, "No, no, no, we may be with you on that thing. We're not with you on this thing." LOUIS: Well, that's right. This is, in fact, why the "National

Review" and some of the other respective conservative voices have been saying all along, not Trump, because he has a very interventionist, activist side to him in some of his policies. This is just one example.

I mean, this is -- this is pretty heavy handed stuff. And, you know, look, he's just talking about having a conversation in order to advance his own politics. You know, he's trying to sort of redraw the map. And he's trying to redraw the map in ways that some of the Senate Republicans don't necessarily want to see him try.

GREGORY: Aren't comfortable with.

CAMEROTA: Maybe it's also just called common sense. I mean, maybe he, you know, he doesn't -- maybe he's not sort of navigating all the political waters here. And he's just giving his gut response. And, oh, yes, people on terror watch lists shouldn't have guns. You know, that's his first gut response.

MATTINGLY: He's had this position before. He was asked about this in the wake of Paris. He was asked about this in the wake of San Bernardino. And he said, yes, no, people who are on the watch list shouldn't get this. This isn't a shift of position for him.

The difference is, he's now the NRA's endorsed candidate, the earliest endorsement in the history of the NRA, and he's still holding this position.

I think one of the most interesting things is it's just a tweet. He hasn't elaborated on it. I was with him in his rally in Atlanta. He didn't talk about this at all. Nobody knows what he means, where he's coming down on policy. And so I think that's the confusion right now with the Republicans and also the Democrats.

CAMEROTA: But I did talk to Sam Clovis this week, who echoed it. He said, "Yes, I think we're fine with people on the terror watch list not having guns." So his policy director seems to be echoing what he was saying.

GREGORY: We've got just a few seconds left. I want to bring in the issue of Senator McCain, who went after President Obama in rather personal terms and walked a statement back.

Let's play the shorter version of what Senator McCain said, trying Orlando to the president's national security strategies. Listen.

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MCCAIN: Barack Obama is directly responsible for it, because when he pulled everybody out of Iraq, al Qaeda went to Syria, became ISIS. And ISIS is what it is today thanks to Barack Obama's failures, utter failures.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GREGORY: And initially had said, so therefore, you know, he's

responsible for Orlando. He walked that back. It was unfortunate that he said it. He meant to indict the president's policies and not go to the president individually.

CAMEROTA: He says now.

GREGORY: Aside from that, that unfortunate piece of it, what he's bringing up is the president's foreign policy, his inaction in certain areas. That's controversial enough in terms of what he's saying and what he's arguing.

LOUIS: Yes. And look, actually, it may or may not even apply to the Orlando massacre. I mean, this is the thing. There are some people -- apparently Senator McCain is one of them, who thinks that this is all inspired by ISIS overseas and that that's where the focus should be.

There are others who think that this is an immigration question. That's what Donald Trump has been talking about. There are those that think that it is a hate crime. Some of the president's remarks suggest that it was inspired by that. And frankly, from everything we now know about the killer, there's a mental health side to all of this stuff that...

GREGORY: And there's an all-of-the-above aspect to this, as well. Yes.

CAMEROTA: Guys, thanks so much for being here. Have a nice weekend.

All right. We do have some breaking news to get to right now, because Iraqi troops reportedly recapturing a key government building from ISIS in central Fallujah. The head of the Iraqi federal police force announcing that his troops have raised the Iraqi national flag over Fallujah's mayoral building. The Iraqi military also claims its counterterrorism forces have recaptured an entire central Fallujah neighborhood.

[06:15:22] GREGORY: Meantime, Secretary of State John Kerry speaking a short time ago, calling a memo from his own diplomats, blasting President Obama's policy in Syria, an important statement. More than 50 State Department officials taking a stand, calling on the president to order air strikes against Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria. They say getting tough with Assad is the only way to force him to the negotiating table.

More than a quarter of a million people have been killed during the past five years of civil war in Syria.

CAMEROTA: England is in shock over the murder of a member of the British Parliament. Forty-one-year-old lawmaker, Jo Cox was shot and killed Thursday outside of a library as she was leaving a meeting near the town of Leeds. A 52-year-old suspect has been arrested. He's being linked to a neo-Nazi organization here in the U.S.

GREGORY: Disney World planning to put up signs warning park-goers of alligators. It comes just days after 2-year-old Lane Graves was killed in a gator attack at a Disney resort. An autopsy determined he died of traumatic injuries and drowning. The Graves family released a statement saying they are devastated and, quote, "Words cannot describe our sudden loss."

CAMEROTA: Well, we sure wish those signs had been up earlier. Because, you know, people don't think, even though it says, "No swimming." The sign said, "No swimming." You don't think when you're wading in six inches of water, that there might be something lethal.

GREGORY: Well, not only that, but don't have -- when you have kids, you don't have control over your kids in an environment like that to keep them so close or far away from something that might be that dangerous.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

All right. Meanwhile, we have much more ahead on the Orlando terror attack. The killer texting his wife during the rampage. What did she know about what he was doing?

And a survivor who lost six friends in the massacre joins us next.

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[06:21:03] CAMEROTA: New details emerging about the Orlando killer and his wife. Law enforcement officials tell CNN they exchanged text messages during the massacre that left 49 dead and 53 others hurt.

We want to bring in now CNN law enforcement analyst and former assistant director for the U.S. Marshals Office, Art Roderick; as well as a survivor of the attack at the Pulse nightclub, who lost six of his closest friends, Ivory McNeal.

Ivory, thank you for being here. And before we get to your story, I do want to just talk about the latest developments in this case.

Because Art, there are several things that we've learned this morning. No. 1, the text messages. What do we know about what the killer was trying to communicate or what his wife knew was happening while this was unfolding?

RODERICK: Alisyn, not only the text messages, but also the FBI has come up with several inconsistencies in her statements during her interviews. I mean, that to me, alone, is enough to file some charges.

But having said that, I'm mean, it's going to -- obviously, the bureau does have the electronic devices, the phone that was used by the shooter. And they've got all those text messages. It's going to be very interesting to see what the back and forth was. I know we've heard some of it. I'm sure there was more.

It sounds like he was communicating with her, trying to find out if his story on Facebook was trending, you know, what's going on, on TV. So I mean, she... CAMEROTA: Yes.

RODERICK: ... could have called 911 at that particular point. Instead, she decided to call him back or attempted to call him back.

CAMEROTA: Art, there's another development, and that is that a gun shop owner in that area of Florida says that he tried to alert the FBI before this happened, because somebody suspicious came in and was trying to buy a load of ammunition and body armor. He says that, basically, the FBI never followed up.

Listen to this gun shop owner from Lotus Gunworks in Jensen Beach, Florida.

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ROBBIE ABELL, CO-OWNER, LOTUS GUNWORKS: When he was on his cell phone, he had a conversation in a foreign language that was even more concerning. Then, he came back, and he was requesting ammo. So he wanted bulk ammo only.

So, at that time, he declined any business, and he left the store. We had no link, no contact. We had -- didn't know who he was. But we did contact authorities and let them know we just had a suspicious person that was in here.

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CAMEROTA: Art, why wouldn't the FBI have followed up on that one?

RODERICK: Well, there's some confusion in the story. I've heard two or three different versions of it. And one of the stories I've heard is that they did attempt to follow up on it. And apparently, there was two situations going on. There was some police officers from the Middle East that were there, trying to buy some police equipment, and then this incident with, supposedly, allegedly with the shooter.

And when questioned, one of the stories I heard when questioned, the gun store owner by the FBI, he was unable to provide any type of identifying information, name, photographs. There was no surveillance. They didn't get a license plate number. So it was pretty difficult for the bureau to follow up on that if, in fact, that's the case. Is this another red flag? It could be. But the details are kind of mixed at this point.

CAMEROTA: I hear you.

All right. Ivory, I want to talk with you about how you're doing. You lost six of your friends that night?

IVORY MCNEAL, PULSE NIGHTCLUB SHOOTING SURVIVOR: Yes.

CAMEROTA: How are you coping today?

MCNEAL: It's a little difficult. It's very hard for me to enjoy a lot of the things that I used to enjoy. CAMEROTA: Of course.

MCNEAL: Just feeling guilty about doing certain things like listening to music or, you know, just being young and, like, posting a lot on social media, like feeling like I look at other people's posts now. And it's like if I see them posting something happy about like being at the beach or doing something fun like it upsets me, especially if they're a part of the LGBT community or if they live in Orlando. Like, I'm like, why are you posting about happy things?

[06:25:09] CAMEROTA: And, you know, we've heard this from so many of the survivors, this phenomenon of survivor's guilt, that why did you make it out when six of your friends didn't? I mean, that's a completely natural reaction. But I don't know that there is any answer to that.

MCNEAL: I don't think that there will ever be. Like I said, I mean, I just thank God that I made it out. You know, this is just something like -- we were so confused at the moment, like I don't even really know what this is. Like, it doesn't make sense to me. I don't even know if this guy is, like, a terrorist. A part of me feels like he's a bit of a narcissist, and he just wants to do something that's bigger than him.

CAMEROTA: Yes. I mean, in fact, we have learned more about his behavioral issues that started from the time that he was a child. There are all sorts of reports from teachers that he was violent then.

Are you trying to make sense of this?

MCNEAL: I am. And like I said, like I feel like he's more of a -- more on a psycho, like he's a bit of a psychopath. I feel like this was just something to show, like, "Look what I can do." You know?

CAMEROTA: Did you see the gunman?

MCNEAL: I didn't see him.

CAMEROTA: Do you know how you made it out alive?

MCNEAL: Just quick reaction. Like, I've always been one of those people, like, if I hear a loud noise, I'm just -- I'm gone. And I don't, like, stick around to kind of figure out what it was or make sense of it. You know, I feel like the noise was too loud to ever be mistaken for anything else but gunshots.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

Art, what Ivory was saying, you know, there has been information that has emerged about this gunman's profile. And teachers from the time of kindergarten were saying that he had behavioral issues. He was angry. He used inappropriate language. There are -- I mean, there was flags a mile long in his school records. What could law enforcement or anyone have done about that?

RODERICK: Well, I mean, I think we have to dismiss the juvenile record. I mean, even from a legal perspective, we don't use juvenile records to look at, unless there's something that's a connection.

Here, there's a connection. But I mean, we can just put that aside as juvenile type behavior.

I mean, you could just go back to his adult life, and there's flags everywhere. He's got the classic syndrome that you see where he could -- he tried to be a law enforcement officer and couldn't make it and then took every job that was under the position of law enforcement officer, whether it was security guard.

He was just a disenfranchised individual that was looking for some place to land.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

RODERICK: And unfortunately, he landed in -- in the jihadist camp.

CAMEROTA: Yes. Art, thank you.

Ivory, take care of yourself. Are you reaching out for help?

MCNEAL: I am.

CAMEROTA: It's going to be a long road, but we're happy that you survived. And I know that your boyfriend was out of town, and you're very grateful that he was not there that night.

MCNEAL: Yes.

CAMEROTA: Ivory, thank you for sharing your story.

To find out how you can help survivors and victims' families of the Orlando attack, go to CNN.com/Impact -- David.

GREGORY: Alisyn, some frightening moments at a concert caught on camera. Rock star Meatloaf collapsing on stage. Pretty shocking video here. So what happened? We're going to have the latest on how the singer is doing, coming up next.

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