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ISIS Claims Credit for Istanbul Airport Attack; Identities of Istanbul Airport Terrorists Released; Donald Trump Criticized by U.S. Chamber of Commerce; Trade Policy Takes Center Stage in 2016 Race. Aired 8-8:30a ET

Aired June 30, 2016 - 08:00   ET

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[08:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We heard people yelling.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop, stop.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Somebody is killing somebody.

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Bernie Sanders cannot stand Hillary Clinton.

HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We know that the economy would be badly damaged if Donald Trump had his way.

TRUMP: There is one thing that Bernie Sanders and I are in complete accord with, and that's trade.

BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's not the measure of populism. That's nativism, or xenophobia, or worse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The public needs to be told the truth about contamination in their water supply.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Citizens should be very concerned.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why the EPA is not doing more to protect our drinking water.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone, welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Thursday, June 30th, 8:00. And Victor Bblackwell joins us again this morning. Great to have you. We have a lot of news including breaking news to get to right now. This is out of the terror attack at the Istanbul airport.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: We're learning more about the suicide bombers, the details of who may have directed them as well. So let's get right to Brooke Baldwin. She's live at the airport with breaking details. Brooke?

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, good morning. So, number one, we now know the nationalities of these three different bombers, one man being from Russia, specifically the Dagestan region. If that sounds familiar to people in the U.S., that is where the Boston bombers, the Tsarnaev family had lived just before coming to the United States from Russia, number one. Number two, Uzbekistan, and three, Kyrgyzstan.

What's also striking, we're getting new information as far as how this plot, this triple suicide attack might have been directed. CNN is in touch with a Turkish, senior Turkish source, telling us there is strong evidence here, strong evidence that the bombers came specifically from the ISIS, the de facto capital in Syria being Raqqa, that they had entered Turkey about a month ago and that they were specifically directed by ISIS leadership.

In addition to that, according to the senior Turkish source, we are learning that one of the men here, one of the bombers, the Russian left his passport in his apartment here in a neighborhood in Istanbul, and they have recovered his passport there from Dagestan specifically.

We also, this morning, have new video here showing just outside in the periphery of the airport, one of these bombers, this is a local Turkish TV channel, showing this video reportedly of the attacker shooting one of the security guards outside of the airport here in Istanbul as this bomber was asked to show his identification. So we now have that piece, that visual piece for you this morning.

And finally, as far as raids, it has been an extraordinarily busy morning here in Istanbul as far as special operations. Police have been concerned. They have been detaining total here, the latest number we have, 22 people detained, 16 specifically in different neighborhoods around the Istanbul area, and a number of others detained in a western coastal city here in Turkey. And finally, the last update, 43, the number of dead. The death toll has risen to 43. And we know 94 people, Chris and Alisyn and Victor, are still in the hospital.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Brooke, thanks so much. Let's talk about the airports here in the U.S. Officials beefing up security at the nation's airports in the wake of the terror in Istanbul. The high alert coming after the -- or rather ahead of the 4th of July holiday, and law enforcement weighing an extension of security perimeters at airports. CNN aviation correspondent Rene Marsh live at Reagan national airport with more. Rene?

RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Victor. It's going to be a very busy travel holiday. Leading up to the 4th of July, it's estimated some 43 Americans will travel. The majority of them will drive, but some 3 million will fly. And this is the concern area. All of this, the area before you get to the TSA checkpoint. It's called the soft target area. It's filled with passengers, but not nearly as secure. And as we've seen overseas, terrorists are looking to take advantage of that.

This here, this TSA security checkpoint, this is the first line of defense at airports across the country. What we're seeing now is conversations happening within the Department of Homeland Security as to whether this first line of defense needs to be extended. Perhaps what does that look like? Maybe that first line of defense is at the front door, perhaps at the parking lot. The agency has not come up with an effective way to extend that perimeter line.

But what I can tell you in the meantime is we're seeing some airports around the country stepping up their security presence on the perimeter of the airport because of that concern about protecting the soft target. Back to you, Chris.

CUOMO: All right, I'll take it. Thank you very much.

[08:05:00] Let's bring back Brooke Baldwin and let's bring in counterterrorism analyst and former CIA counterterrorism official Philip Mudd, and CNN global affairs analyst and contributing writer for "The Daily Beast," Kimberly Dozier. Great to have you.

We have a lot of headlines. Let's start with the new information that we're getting about this. The raids, they picked up about two dozen people from about just as many raids. We don't know whether that's connected to this incident or they're just doing a sweep, as you suggested earlier, Philip. We know that the nationalities are going to sound strange to the American audience. They're not from the Levant. They're not from Syria, Iraq, the Middle East. They're from Russia and the Dagestan region. Explain that to us.

PHILIP MUDD, CNN COUNTERTERRORISM ANALYST: Couple things you've got to think about here. These are traditional areas that supply fighters to the old warzones, places like Afghanistan, western Pakistan. We've seen Islamic extremism before. That's why the Russians are so heavily involved in Syria. They're worried about their citizens going down to Raqqa.

The second message you've got to take away, Chris, is simple and it relates to America. When you look at the tradition terror organizations, it takes a lot of effort for a terror organization to say I want to use foreign fighters coming in, not to serve as cannon fodder here in Syria and Iraq, but instead to train them over the course of time go home. What this is telling us is that the foreign fighter element of ISIS is focused on saying these guys might be helpful in a fight in Raqqa. They're more helpful if they go to Paris, to Turkey, and maybe to a city in America.

CUOMO: Raqqa, what's happening there, and why does matter?

KIMBERLEY DOZIER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: This is a message from ISIS to Turkey -- stop cooperating with the United States. Turkey has started tightening up its borders, increased patrols, built fences, turned some people back who are trying to reinforce ISIS' ranks inside Raqqa. ISIS is also under pressure there militarily by U.S. backed rebels from the north and also by Russian backed Syria forces coming in from the west. This is a way to distract attention from those imminent military losses on the battle field.

CUOMO: Kimberly, let's let people in on a conversation we were having before this segment. When people will see this attack and they hear that there are other countries involved other than the ones they're familiar with, and they hear the CIA saying there are going to be more of these attacks, and it seems like ISIS is everywhere, it seems to suggest that we are losing against ISIS. How is this winning?

DOZIER: ISIS is suffering on the battle field, losing in places like Fallujah, losing territory inside Syria, but its pushing its operations to other ungoverned spaces across Africa. It's like pushing air in a balloon. If you push it from one area it just extends elsewhere because there is still the fertile ground among people in those regions, governments that are unstable, security forces that are weak, people without opportunities. ISIS is a banner that they want to follow.

CUOMO: Brooke, on the ground there, what you're hearing from the officials about the numbers they're racking up in detentions, you say be careful about contributing or connecting that to this event specifically. What other explanation is there, then?

BALDWIN: You know, I think in the wake of a horrific attack like this, be it here in Istanbul, Brussels, or even Paris, I people are on even a higher alert, right, in the wake of 43 people being killed in the airport. So then immediately in the aftermath, you have special operations police forces hitting certain neighborhoods and rounding up people. You know, whether or not they are connected to these three bombers who as we're getting guidance from the senior Turkish official actually came, you know, via south and central Asia, Russia, through then Syria and back into Turkey.

Let me just add one other nugget as you've been discussing. We have new information also as far as the suicide vests and the explosive devices that were used here in the Istanbul airport. We know that those devices specifically came from outside of Turkey, right. So they were brought in, and a lot of terror attacks where you have these devices, you have the bomb maker, and then you have those who carry out the attacks, two different sets of people we know again. So Chris, those devices came outside of Turkey and these three had been living in Turkey, in Istanbul, for about a month.

CUOMO: OK, Brooke. Relevance?

MUDD: When you're having a presidential campaign with a discussion about what happens in Syria, there is a question I think among Americans about why do I care? Let me tell you why. It's the question of time. A terror group goes through stages of graduation to sophistication. Initially let's go against a local police station, the local government. As they mature, as ISIS matures, they're going to have elements that say now we have bigger fish to fry, as Al Qaeda did 15 years ago. We have enemies in places like London, in places like Washington and New York. We're going develop not only the infrastructure to bring in hundreds from North America, thousands from western Europe, who can go back, but also they'll develop infrastructure for sophisticated devices like suicide vests that they can use. This is about the enemy of time when you're facing a terror group that ultimately decides our enemy is overseas.

DOZIER: And remember, they had this technology before. [08:10:00] ISIS is made up of the original remnants of Al Qaeda of

Iraq. They had suicide bomb vests, factories. So this is an old technique repurposed for a new war.

CUOMO: Now, how does this play out in the election here? People are afraid. They don't want to see more taxes. It seems from the information about what's going on that ISIS is not on the run. And then that leads to, well, what do we do.

And you'll hear Donald Trump, he's getting a lot of enthusiasm around him. Why am I not mentioning Clinton? Because she is not espousing anything different than what's being done right now. Trump is. He is saying they play dirty, we are soft and weak. Waterboarding, he uses as just one example. This gets the sour face from Phil Mudd. Why? They're chopping off our heads, it's a projection of strength. Why don't we project a similar type of strength?

MUDD: Let me hold my temper here, Chris.

CUOMO: It would be the first time.

MUDD: Let me be clear. In the fiction of a political campaign, let's have a realistic conversation. In 2002 the CIA got authorization from the Department of Justice to Interrogate prisoners with techniques including waterboarding. The Senate was advised, the White House supported this.

Year later, we have a president of the United States, I'm not disagreeing with what he says, it is a fact, he refers to this as torture. The Department of Justice says we should never do this again, and Senate issues a report castigating people like me for doing things that were approved 15 years ago.

In the midst of this, you have president that says I'm going to ask CIA people to do this again, you know what they're going to say? No.

CUOMO: Until they're told.

MUDD: No, they're not. They're not going to say that. Furthermore, he is going to have to get an attorney general who goes to the Senate and goes to the White House and says I will prove legally what the Department of Justice in the past said this is illegal. The CIA is going to say it is not whether it is right or wrong. They're going to say we did this already. We're not doing it again.

CUOMO: Why not? Why not, Kim?

DOZIER: The other thing is --

CUOMO: It either works or it doesn't.

DOZIER: It is exactly what ISIS wants. When you go on the ground anywhere in the Middle East and you bring up things like the torture at Abu Ghraib, waterboarding, black sites, that becomes a cause celeb that ISIS and other militant groups use to recruit. So it is the exact opposite of what security officials want to see when they're trying to rob the ranks of ISIS, not add to them.

CUOMO: But does that really get you anywhere that's satisfactory, that is satisfying, because they chop people's heads off. They make films of slicing people's heads off. So that's what works for them. The question is, are we not doing things that work equally well for us because we're living under this illusion of moral superiority?

MUDD: That's not the question my colleagues would have if they face this question from a President Trump or any other president. They're going to say we learned this lesson. The next president is going to come in and say not only did what you do be considered as torture, they're going to say maybe you're subject to a lawsuit. I've got friends now who are subjects to lawsuits for what they did then. They're going say, the next president is going to return to saying this is torture. We're not doing it. It is not about what ISIS wants. It is about learning the lessons of the past 15 years.

DOZIER: And also, look at what the U.S. forces are doing right now. They're targeting external operations planners, people who planned Paris and Brussels attacks. They're taking them out at a remarkable rate, more than hundreds so far. That's the kind of thing that will ultimately defeat them militarily, at least inside Syria.

CUOMO: Helpful to have the conversation with somebody who was doing the job and someone who has done the job on the ground and knows what works. Kimberly, thank you very much, Mr. Mudd, as always. Brooke, thank you as well. You'll be on standby for us for the rest of the morning and for CNN. Victor?

BLACKWELL: Let's stay with the race. Republican infighting ramping up again, just three weeks before Donald Trump accepts his party's nomination for president. Trump blasting his former primary rivals for not abiding by their pledge to support their party's nominee. CNN's Jason Carroll joins us now with more.

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Victor, the battle continues. President Obama and Donald Trump going toe to toe on trade policy. The president going after Trump during a trade summit in Canada, calling the presumptive nominee for not having a true populist message.

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CARROLL: President Obama laying into Donald Trump's protectionist trade agenda as not feasible, calling it a prescription that won't help U.S. workers but would actually hurt them.

OBAMA: Withdrawing from trade deals, and focusing solely on your local market, that's the wrong medicine. Our auto plants, for example, would shut down if we don't have access to some parts in other parts of the world.

CARROLL: Speaking at a rally in Bangor, Maine, Trump again laid out his plan which calls for possibly pulling out of NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, his proposals drawing criticism not just from the left, Trump firing back at the usually GOP friendly U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

TRUMP: The United States Chamber of Commerce is upset with me. They say we're going to lose the trade war? We're already losing the trade war, folks.

[08:15:03] CARROLL: Trump's attacks coming on the heels of two days of critiques from the Chamber of Commerce, live tweeting during Trump's economic speech on Tuesday, "Under Trump's trade plans, we would see higher prices, fewer jobs, and weaker economy.

Trump now accusing the chamber of being controlled by special interest groups, boasting that if elected, he can negotiate better deals.

TRUMP: We lost the trade war. They're getting killed. Nothing can happen worst than what is happening now. We're getting killed.

CARROLL: The presumptive GOP nominee, threatening agreements with China in the process.

TRUMP: I want to renegotiate a deal. I want to terminate the deal and do a good deal. And that's all I want.

CARROLL: The president, making a point to dismiss Trump's so-called populist message.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: They don't suddenly become populists because they say something controversial in order to win votes. That's not the measure of populism. That's nativism, or xenophobia.

CARROLL: Trump taking aim at Hillary Clinton, by trying to appeal to Sanders supporters.

TRUMP: Bernie Sanders cannot stand Hillary Clinton. You wouldn't think this, but there is one thing that Bernie Sanders and I are on complete accord with, and that's trade. He said we're going ripped off. I say that we're being ripped off.

CARROLL: Trump also taking a swipe at old foes, calling out his former GOP rivals for their lack of support.

TRUMP: You know, these people signed the pledge. Remember, they all wanted me to sign the pledge. They broke their word. In my opinion, they should never be allowed to run for public office again.

CARROLL: And Trump's allies aren't letting up attacking Elizabeth Warren's heritage. Conservative radio host Howie Carr opening Trump's rally by mocking the Massachusetts senator.

HOWIE CARR, HOST, HOWIE CARR SHOW: You know Elizabeth Warren, right?

CARROLL: Picking up on Trump's incessant jabs, calling Warren, "Pocahontas".

TRUMP: Pocahontas, that's Elizabeth Warren.

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CARROLL: More on the battle Trump is having with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, they point to an op-ed he wrote for CNN about the global economy. There were no calls for pulling out of NAFTA, instead. Trump wrote, "The future of Europe as well as the United States depends on a global economy. All of us must work together toward that very significant common goal."

The chamber is saying that Trump of 2013 is much better than the Trump that we see today.

CAMEROTA: Yes, we will be talking to Sam Clovis, his strategic manager about that shift. Thank you very much --

CARROLL: You bet. Thank you.

CAMEROTA: -- for all of that.

OK. If Donald Trump is taking on his own party, whose support is he looking to attract exactly? A top member of his campaign, as we've just said, he's going to join us next.

CUOMO: So nice to say it.

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[08:21:45] CAMEROTA: President Obama, slamming Donald Trump's antitrade stance, and taking a swipe at the idea that Donald Trump is a populist.

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OBAMA: They don't suddenly become populists because they say something controversial in order to win votes. That's not the measure of populism. That's nativism, or xenophobia, or worst.

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CAMEROTA: Let's talk about this. Sam Clovis is co-chair and policy adviser for the Trump campaign.

Good morning, Sam.

SAM CLOVIS, TRUMP NATIONAL CAMPAIGN CO-CHAIRMAN & POLICY ADVISER: How are you doing, Alisyn? Thanks for having me on.

CAMEROTA: Our pleasure. Thanks for being here.

So, the president is basically saying that Donald Trump is masquerading as a populist, that he used to be for the global economy and global trade deals and now rails against them.

CLOVIS: Well, I don't know what you're -- what you expect a reaction here. It is the modern populism that understands that the United States is a global players, that we are involved in that. This has been one of the things missing in the entire dialogue over this election cycle. The true understanding of what is going on when we have a conservative populism, modern populism, this does not de back to the political science definition that Barack Obama wants to trout out --

CAMEROTA: What is it, Sam?

CLOVIS: Well, I think the modern populist is one that understands that America is a global player. We are in fact should be the leader in the world on the global stage. In fact, we ought to put American interests first, in doing so, because if we do not put American interests first, what we end up with is what we have. And that's crony capitalism. We have our government picking winners and losers.

We have our people that are part of the United States Chamber of Commerce who are incredibly powerful special interest, who fuel and fund reelection campaigns for members of Congress. And this whole notion that they are looking out for the American people is absolutely wrong, because what happens, it raises barriers to entry, it picks winners and losers, allows the trade deals to be written to, in facts, go to the larger corporations.

These larger corporations concentrate their industry, become fewer and fewer competitors, which raises prices for consumers. So, if we're out here fighting for the American people and that's the modern populism that a lot of people don't seem to be able to get their heads around in this town or New York.

CAMEROTA: Well, I mean, look, part of the problem, many people think it is different than what Donald Trump has said as recently as 2013, where he sort of extolled the virtues of global economy. Let me just read from his op-ed.

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CLOVIS: Alisyn, we're not going away from a global economy. We understand, we're involved in it.

CAMEROTA: Yes, but when you say, Sam --

CLOVIS: We're going to put American interests first. We have lost 50,000 manufacturer companies since China has entered the WTO, 50,000.

[08:25:04] CAMEROTA: Yes.

CLOVIS: Millions of jobs have left.

CAMEROTA: And then why --

CLOVIS: Tell me that's a good deal. Tell me why only certain companies benefitted?

CAMEROTA: So, why then did Mr. Trump manufacture some of his products in Bangladesh and China?

CLOVIS: Well, because he is a businessman and he has those business interests in place. CAMEROTA: What about his philosophy?

CLOVIS: You're conflating.

CAMEROTA: I'm saying, if he feels this strongly about American jobs and manufacturing here, why didn't he always feel that strongly?

CLOVIS: Good Lord, have you felt the same thing about everything in your life once you can recognize the fact that you had an understanding of anything? Tell me, you've never changed your mind, Alisyn. I doubt that seriously. We've all changed our minds.

CAMEROTA: So, you're saying that he has changed his mind that manufacturing and jobs in America were good?

CLOVIS: Well, I think what he said is, if you take it -- you're taking it out of context. We understand where we play in a global economy. He has a responsibility to go out and do those things, and now, what he has done and he has taken his time to examine issues.

And I think that as we have talked about oftentimes and we overuse the word, evolution in thought, and here we are today looking at where we are, $700 billion trade deficit, the fact that we've lost 50,000 manufacturing companies out of this country, millions of jobs have been exported overseas. And what do the American people getting out of it?

Capital, $2.5 trillion capital residing off shore. We can't seem to bring it back. And why? Because we have politicians that have no courage.

Talk about the courage issue here. I want to make one thing clear about something. I know this isn't in the script. I want to tell you one thing.

I am a veteran. I spent 29 years in uniform in this country. We had a Benghazi report that was issued in the last week.

I want to tell you right now. The lack of courage, the cowardice of the leadership of this country at the time of that Benghazi attack is shameful. It is despicable.

And that ought to be an issue that people ought to be talking about, and I don't hear near enough about the fact that we left Americans behind. And I will tell you the tradition of this country is to never leave Americans behind, and that to me, is some of the most despicable behavior I've ever seen out of public officials.

CAMEROTA: Sam, we thank you for your service.

CLOVIS: You bet.

CAMEROTA: Absolutely. But we also, let's talk about something else that should appeal to you as a serviceman. Waterboarding. So Donald Trump has been talking about waterboarding. The U.S. banned it.

Another veteran, John McCain, said he opposes torture, as you can imagine why.

Why is Mr. Trump so in favor of waterboarding?

CLOVIS: Well, I think what he is in favor of is enhanced interrogation techniques. We've looked at this very carefully in the campaign. We do have laws right now that exist that constrain those actions.

I think the president still has authority under certain circumstances to impose and enhance interrogation techniques. We fully understand that.

I would tell you, having been trained and having been waterboarded myself, it is the most unpleasant thing I've ever endured in my life, and --

CAMEROTA: So what does h, think Mr. Trump will get out of this? I mean, he has said it many times, that he supports it, he thinks that we should be able to do it. Although despite the fact that the FBI and many in the CIA said it never produced actionable intelligence?

CLOVIS: Well, I don't know that is actually accurate. I think you have opinions on the fact that it may not have developed that but I think it is a matter of opinion on whether or not it worked or didn't work. Because there are other reports out there that say it did work. It led to actionable intelligence.

CAMEROTA: Look, let me just -- just to be clear. I'm basing --

CLOVIS: Discovering the networks.

CAMEROTA: There were these 6,700 classified pages that came out of the CIA that the Senate looked at and determined that waterboarding was not effective. They concluded they could have gotten the same information from traditional interrogation.

CLOVIS: That may be, but we were hindsight, it is a matter of what you look at. If we learn something from that, then that's a positive issue.

But I also know that we were able through time, and using some of these enhanced interrogation techniques, we were able to unravel a lot of the networks. It may not have stopped an attack, because what you're talking about -- again, you're conflating issues here, Alisyn, again. You're conflating actionable intel that go out and will stop an attack that's imminent.

What we're really saying is there are other techniques we could use here. If we are able to unravel networks, able to discover sources, if we're able to discover cells and pockets and training areas through this process, then perhaps we ought to look at the full array of techniques we have available to us and we ought to use those techniques that produce the most material.

CAMEROTA: So if Mr. Trump becomes president, he would bring backwater boarding and interrogation techniques. CLOVIS: That is not at all what he has ever said.

CAMEROTA: I'm asking you.

CLOVIS: Well, I'm telling you what the issue is, that we will consider it. It has something that has to be considered.