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Dallas Police: 5 Killed, 6 Wounded; Obama: 'Vicious, Calculated, Despicable Attack'. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired July 08, 2016 - 06:00   ET

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[05:57:58] Devastating, unthinkable. Those are the used that are being by the president of the United States to what happened in Dallas overnight. Eleven officers involved in a shooting. They're saying there were snipers involved. Five officers killed murdered. Why?

Here's what we know. At about 9 p.m. local time in Dallas, there were protests were going on to recent police shootings. During the time, an ambush assault on police. There were execution-style killings that were caught on cell-phone video.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: The shots rang out during what had been a peaceful protest in downtown Dallas. These peaceful protests in Dallas and all over the country followed the shooting deaths of two African-American men by police: one in Louisiana, one in Minnesota. As we've been saying, what happened last night was the deadliest single day for law enforcement in the United States since 9/11.

We want to get straight to Sara Sidner in Dallas. We have some new details about the situation there. Sara, what can you tell us?

SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: John, we're learning from law enforcement sources that one suspect has been killed, has died here in that standoff.

What we do not yet know, though, is that this is still an active scene. We have seen police officers for the first time leaving the area where we are. Several police officers leaving the area here on Main Street.

But all of this is still a very, very huge scene. An investigation has to get under way, and they are telling people not to come down here tomorrow for work, even though this is downtown Dallas. All of this happening because of a horrific shooting that went on for hours last night.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SIDNER (voice-over): Chaos erupting on the streets of Dallas at 9 p.m.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody is really armed to the teeth.

SIDNER: Gunshots raining down from the sky, officers taking cover.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Move back. Move back! Get back!

SIDNER: Protesters scattering in panic as their peaceful march against officer-involved shootings wound down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would say probably about 20 gunshots, rapid succession.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was screaming, "Run, run, run, active shooter, active shooter."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody turned around, tried to shoot at him, he got hit. Boom, fell. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, kept going.

SIDNER: Around 10:30, police confirming snipers in elevated positions targeting officers, picking them off, ambush style, in what appears to be a coordinated attack.

Just before midnight, law enforcement officers cornering a suspect at El Centro Garage downtown.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think they might have got somebody.

SIDNER: One witness catching the standoff unfolding from the ground. Police exchanging gunfire for over 45 minutes while trying to negotiate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And there's somebody else down over there.

SIDNER: One officer, trying to catch the shooter off-guard, sadly shot down. Another witness capturing the suspect from above, wearing body armor, holding so much ammunition it was falling out of his pocket.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via phone): I did hear some -- some popping sounds. I did think it was fireworks at first. A man came out, man had a rifle. AR-15, clear as day. It looked planned. I mean, he just parked and knew where to stand and opened fire. He had ammo ready. He's ready to go.

SIDNER: Police now say one suspect has been killed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The suspect told our negotiators that the end is coming and that there are bombs all over the place in this garage and in downtown.

SIDNER: But police say they have three people in custody, including a woman who was in the vicinity of the garage and two suspects carrying a camouflaged bag. They were stopped on the interstate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To say that our police officers put their life on the line every day is no hyperbole. We, as a country, must come together, lock arms and heal the wounds that we all feel from time to time.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SIDNER: And I can tell you, I've been speaking to some of those who were born and raised here in Dallas who remember back when JFK was assassinated. They say the feeling they have right now feels like very similar to that day. They haven't seen this kind of terror since that day.

CUOMO: And once again, you do have a nation in mourning for unjustifiable murder. And we're going to keep covering it throughout the morning. Sara, let us know what you learn from there.

A big part of this story overnight has been what's happening at the hospitals. We have Kyung Lah. She's at Baylor University Hospital in Dallas. That's where some of the wounded officers have been taken. And you've seen some really heart-wrenching signs of solidarity overnight. Not just among police officers but the medical staff there trying to save them, as well.

KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Chris, what you're looking at, as our camera moves left and right, are some of the police officers and one of the coroner vehicles departing with a body of a Dallas police officer and a DART police officer. That is coming from one of the police officers here, who witnessed what is simply a somber scene and an extraordinary moment outside this hospital, as many of these police officers said farewell to two of their fallen officers.

I want to show you what we could see just a short time ago. We noticed that a lot of the medical personnel came out, and they formed a human chain. They wanted to offer some of these police officers some grace, a bit of privacy amid this national horror, this violence that the police departments suffered overnight, last night, into this morning.

And so what we saw were these medical workers linking arms, and then we could hear the call for a salute. Two salutes, two bodies removed from this hospital, from this emergency room. And then it was over, and the vans left; and we can see police officers hugging, crying, saying good-bye.

A reminder, John and Chris, that what we are dealing with here is not just law enforcement. We're going to start to hear some of their stories about who they were. I want you to meet 43-year-old -- a 43- year-old officer. He's a DART officer, Brandon Thompson. And he is someone who wanted to be a police officer.

On his LinkedIn page, he went to Iraq and Afghanistan. He wanted to train officers overseas. He wanted to teach them about teamwork. When he came back here to Dallas, he became a DART police officer. It was a regional transportation job. And when I spoke to the spokesman, he said he's the very first casualty that the police department has suffered since it was formed in the late '80s. This, today, is the worst day for law enforcement since 9/11 -- John, Chris. BERMAN: That is a sobering, sobering fact. Kyung Lah at Baylor Hospital, thank you so much. We only know the identity of one of the officers killed: Brent Thompson, 43 years old. Four more were killed, six others injured. When we do get those identities, we'll bring them to you.

Do not be surprised if they are black, white, brown, male, female. What we know is that they are America; and they are law enforcement, and they were targeted in a calculated attack.

Now, the ambush there, this attack is raising a lot of questions. Was this a revenge killing for the police shootings we have seen this week? Is it terrorism? I think a lot of people will tell you, no matter what or no matter who did this, it was terrorism.

CNN's Evan Perez is following the investigation live for us right now. Evan, what are you hearing?

EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: That's right, John. You know, these are the chaotic hours, really early in this investigation. And investigators believe that, at this point, a well-planned ambush was carried out against these cops. There's no doubt that it was intended to cause terror.

The question at this hour remains, who did this, and is there a broader group that was behind it? Police officers were the targets, investigators believe, though one civilian was also injured. The FBI is now investigating the attack.

The ATF overnight deployed about three dozen agents, including bomb dogs and explosive experts. We don't know for sure how many shooters there were. Dallas police at first said that there were two snipers. One suspect was cornered at a community college garage and spoke to negotiators overnight, saying, quote, "The end is coming." But that suspect is now dead. And the ATF K-9 officers are helping to conduct a massive sweep for bombs in that area.

There were at least three other people arrested near the scene as part of this investigation. Investigators believe that whoever did this purposely was using the cover of those street protests, which police say was peaceful up to that point and was nearing the end when this ambush began.

Nothing at this point has been ruled out. Police overnight say that they didn't have much cooperation from these people that they've arrested, so a lot of the early information that they've gathered so far in this investigation is expected to change -- John.

CUOMO: All right, Evan. I'll take it. Thank you very much. Whatever you hear, let us know, and we'll come back to you.

We are expecting to get an update from the local police at about 8:30 a.m. local time in the east. We'll bring that to you when it happens. We also have joining us right now the attorney general of Texas, Ken Paxton. Mr. Attorney General, I'm very sorry to have you on the show for this

occasion. Obviously as you know, the $ entire country is watching this and in mourning for the loss of these law enforcement lives and the others who were injured, as well.

There is concern here about how this ambush went down, the way these shooters were moving, the way they were armed, the way they were positioned. What can you tell us?

KEN PAXTON, ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TEXAS: Well, first of all, let me just say that we're praying for the families, as well. That we will not forget these fallen heroes, and we will not forget the families. We will support them.

But you know, I don't know much more than you know at this time. We're still investigating. The Dallas Police Department is primarily responsible for the investigation. My office is assisting them. So as we find out details that we can release, we'll let you know more.

CUOMO: "The end is coming" the police chief said that the suspect uttered that while he was being confronted in that El Centro parking building connected to the garage there.

What do they take that to mean? Obviously, the guy is dead now, so they can't further debrief him. But how did they take that? How seriously did they take his threats that more law enforcement would be killed and that there might be explosives in and around Dallas?

PAXTON: You know, I think they took it very seriously. I think they were searching potentially for explosives. They were searching for other suspects and other shooters. If you come to downtown right now, you're going to see hundreds of policemen.

I used to work down here, two blocks from where I'm at now. It's very surreal to be in this location now and to see how downtown Dallas has transformed into a massive crime scene that is still active.

CUOMO: We keep hearing from the experts here and from the people on the ground there. Something about this feels off. We see violence grow out of protests. We've seen how it goes down and where it usually comes from. There's something about this that's, in a way, even more troubling, because it seems that this was a real ambush, that it wasn't planned, that it was planned. Is that on your mind, as well?

PAXTON: Yes, absolutely. It does have a very strange feel to it. There's something missing here. Obviously, there's a lot of information we don't have. But it also -- Dallas had a tragedy when President Kennedy was shot here in the '60s. And this is as close to that feeling, I think, as the city's had in decades.

[06:10:06] CUOMO: Ken, what can you tell us about the suspects? Do you know anything about their identity or any affiliations that they have or what they've been saying or not saying?

PAXTON: At this time, we don't really know much at all. So we're still in the process of trying to find out more. So as we get those details, we'll certainly bring them out.

CUOMO: But you haven't heard anything about any claims of affiliation or who they say they are? There's nothing like that to report?

PAXTON: At this point, no. I've not been told by any of my people or Dallas Police Department anything new on that particular issue.

CUOMO: What does it mean to you that, not since 9/11 where, you know, of course, dozens of law enforcement, over 70 rushed in to save lives and lost their own, that this now is the deadliest since then of what we've seen law enforcement fall prey to. What does that mean to you?

PAXTON: You know, it's really sad. It's something that you oftentimes watch on TV, but when you're actually living in the city where something like this happens, it definitely has a profound effect on you. And I think this is going to have a profound effect on the people of Dallas and north Texas for a long time to come. Obviously, we have some healing. We're going to have, to help these families, but it is a -- it is significant to us. And it is painful, but we will rebound; and we will -- we will again encourage these families.

CUOMO: I know you're busy, and I want to let you go, but the governor took time to say this is the worst of what we can see out of humanity and it is a time for Americans to unify. What is your message to people who see this? They're all of mixed minds right now, right?

Some people think it's terror. More think that it was a response to the recent police shootings and that this will put even more fuel on the fire, seeing those who are trying to protect us killed in a situation like this. What do you want people to say?

PAXTON: You know what? So often in America in our most difficult and challenging times is when we pull together, and we end up showing why we are a great country and why the people of this country really are great people. I think this is going to be another one of those cases where it's not just Texans but it's all Americans coming together to remember these fallen heroes and to support law enforcement and to support these families who have lost so much.

CUOMO: Ken Paxton, thank you so much for joining us on this really difficult morning. And let us know what information we need to get out. Thank you, sir.

PAXTON: Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.

CUOMO: John.

BERMAN: Such an important message from the attorney general this morning. This is a time for Texans and Americans to come together.

President Obama just a short time ago said he had spoken to the mayor of Dallas about this incident. President Obama not in the country right now. He is in Warsaw in Poland for a NATO summit. He spoke just moments ago. He called the attacks vicious, calculated, and despicable.

CNN White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski is live there with more. Michelle, what else is the White House saying?

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, it sounds like they're still assessing what they're going to do with this trip. He's here for a few days in Warsaw, then he's on to Seville and Madrid in Spain.

So it's not clear whether he's going to complete this entire trip because of these events in the United States. But what the White House is saying that he's staying updated, and they'll make updates based on developments. Here's what he said just a short time ago.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: With your understanding, I want to begin with a few words about the situation back in the United States, specifically the situation in Dallas, Texas. My team has been keeping me updated throughout the morning, the evening in Dallas.

I spoke this morning with Mayor Rawlings of Dallas to convey the deepest condolences of the American people. I told him the federal government will provide whatever assistance Dallas may need as it deals with this tremendous tragedy.

We still don't know all the facts. What we do know is that there has been a vicious, calculated, and despicable attack on law enforcement. Police in Dallas were on duty doing -- doing their jobs, keeping people safe during peaceful protests. These law enforcement officers were targeted, and nearly a dozen officers were shot. Five were killed. Other officers and at least one civilian were wounded. Some are in serious condition, and we are praying for their recovery.

As I told Mayor Rawlings, I believe that I speak for every single American when I say that we are horrified over these events and that we stand united with the people and the police department in Dallas. According to police, there are multiple suspects. We will learn more undoubtedly about their twisted motivations, but let's be clear. There's no possible justification for these kinds of attacks or any violence against law enforcement.

The FBI is already in touch with the Dallas police, and anyone involved in these senseless murders will be held fully accountable. Justice will be done.

I will have more to say about this as the facts become more clear. For now, let me just say that, even as yesterday I spoke about our need to be concerned as all Americans about racial disparities in our criminal justice system, I also said yesterday that our police have an extraordinarily difficult job. And the vast majority of them do their job in outstanding fashion.

I also indicated the degree to which we need to be supportive of those officers who do their job each and every day, protecting us and protecting our communities. Today is a wrenching reminder of the sacrifices that they make for us. We also know that when people are armed with powerful weapons,

unfortunately, it makes attacks like these more deadly and more tragic. And in the days ahead, we're going to have to consider those realities, as well.

In the meantime, today our focus is on the victims and their families. They are heartbroken. The entire city of Dallas is grieving. Police across America -- it's a tight-knit family -- feels this loss to their core. And we're grieving with them. I'd ask all Americans to say a prayer for these officers and their families, keep them in your thoughts. And as a nation, let's remember to express our profound gratitude to our men and women in blue, not just today, but every day.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KOSINSKI: The president is here to deal with the business of NATO and threats overseas, but now obviously preoccupied with events in the United States. This is the second time now that we've heard him speak at length.

Last night, of course, the victims that he was talking about were people killed by police officers. Events overnight, though, now the focus is on the police officers, talking about the threats, the risks on both sides. The president spoke about the anger and frustration and grief that Americans are feeling right now. He said those are feelings that are shared by himself and the first lady -- John and Chris.

BERMAN: All right, Michelle Kosinski for us in Warsaw in Poland. We are waiting to hear, obviously, if the president's plans for the weekend change. The president also told us when more facts become available, he will speak again on this subject.

We did just learn one more fact. We heard from Dallas law enforcement that no explosives have been found in downtown Dallas around that scene you're looking at right there. The standoff largely around a parking garage. No explosives found right now.

CUOMO: That has to mean in that immediate area. They could never have swept that entire -- I mean, we've both been to Dallas on the job, and it's an extensive area for them to look at. I think that they're first trying to clear the area where the suspect was. And then they're going to branch out from there. But it's going to take some time.

BERMAN: And to be clear, a few hours ago, when we heard from the Dallas police chief, he said they were not completely comfortable there are not more suspects at large. We will hear again from them in about two hours. We expect a lot more details on the investigation.

I want to bring in our law enforcement panel right now. Analyst Cedric Alexander; CNN political commentator and professor of Morehouse College, Marc Lamont Hill; former ATF executive Matt Horace; and CNN law enforcement analyst; and retired NYPD detective Harry Hauck.

Cedric, we do not know who these people or persons are who carried out this attack, but we do know that they seemed very prepared. We heard Sara Sidner's piece shortly before that at least one of the suspects carrying so much ammunition it was falling out of his pockets. And clearly, we heard earlier from the Dallas police chief these folks knew where to be. They knew where to be in order to target police officers at the end of this protest.

Body armor, 30-round clips. This was not a standard type of situation, outwardly.

CEDRIC ALEXANDER, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT: They came for a fight. Clearly, based on what we know and in terms of the attire that they came with, the weaponry that they came with, if we go back to the footage where, around that brick pole that you saw there earlier, how that shooter moved in and around that pole and he was able to take aim at an officer and was able to take down one or two officers, just from that piece of footage that we saw.

[06:20:16] But in addition to that, if you go back and you remember the footage where you had the young man on the street describing how they shot an officer, and once the officer went down, they shot him several times again and moved on, we very well could be dealing with those who have had some training in military, police, or we just don't know. But we're going to learn more about that as we -- you know, as we go forward.

But I am glad to hear that, in their sweep, they're not finding any IEDs. And yes, that is a large area down there, Chris. I spent six years in Dallas before coming to Atlanta. And I'm very familiar with that area. But however, we have to keep in mind is that they had a lot of support from neighboring police agencies, whether it's from Arlington or Garland or Ft. Worth. And I'm quite sure they brought in other K-9 sniffing dogs that helped them to maybe be able to expand out and cover more territory.

CUOMO: Well, that's the hope, is that they got it secured as quickly as they could. We do know they're still looking for humans as well as explosives in terms of this.

And Matthew, just for another beat on this, there is going to be a lot of questions. There are going to be a lot of questions about why this happened. Was there motivation? Is this political? Is it born out of the police shootings?

But there is something that we just heard from the attorney general. Ken Paxton used the word "missing." There's something off about this. The way they were armed, as Cedric just said, the way they moved, that they were at these elevated position, seemed to know where to be. It doesn't feel like what we usually see as violence growing out of a protest that the police are very quick to say had been peaceful to that point.

MATTHEW HORACE, FORMER ATF EXECUTIVE: No. For a lack of anything better, these guys were pros. And if you look at the way that they were advancing and retreating, they had received some sort of tactical training in the past.

CUOMO: When Cedric says how that man was moving around the pole, what does that mean?

What Cedric is saying is the way that the -- the way that the suspects were advancing and retreating, the way they were moving, the way they were shooting, how they were walking, they had some sort of training in the past, so they're not your average, ordinary street thugs.

BERMAN: Harry Houck, former NYPD detective, what types of people have that kind of information, have that knowledge? Are we talking possibly about former military here maybe?

HARRY HOUCK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: It could very well be former military. The kind of movement that you see is the movement that I trained for when I was in the Marine Corps. You can see the way they're moving around those -- moved around the columns, in and out. That's a tactical maneuver that we've learned -- that I learned in the military and also in the police department.

So this could be -- this could be somebody who, you know, was trained by somebody who has got full knowledge of tactics and maneuvers or somebody who could be former military, just like Cedric said, that is trained and maybe helped train others for this specific attack.

CUOMO: Harry, you're an officer. You're in another big city. Maybe you're in Cleveland. Maybe you're in Philadelphia, where the conventions are going to be. You wake up on the job this morning. What does an incident like this do to your mindset?

HOUCK: Well, I'll tell you, you know, the first thing I thought last night when I got home from being on and seeing this happen was, you know, result of what's been going on the last couple years. I think every police officer right now in this country who's looking at this is probably thinking the same thing I am. Although, we don't have any evidence to prove the fact that, you know, we think all the anti- police rhetoric, this is a result of that, but what else could it actually be? If you sit and go through the specifics of this attack.

So myself looking at it and other police officers that I've talked to early this morning and tweeted and e-mailed with are all thinking pretty much the same thing, that this has got to be the result of all the anti-police rhetoric that's been going on for a couple of years.

Although, I don't think that the last two attacks that just occurred in the last two -- incidents with police in the last two days, you know, this thing was born as a result of that. I think it was born as a result of a combination of this going on for quite a period of time and that maybe that this was the catalyst for this specific attack today.

BERMAN: And both those cases this week, obviously investigations still going on right now in Dallas. We still have to learn as many facts as we can.

[06:25:02] If you guys will all give me a second here, I want to put a picture of the only officer so far whose identity we know who's been killed. His name is Brent Thompson, 43 years old. He's a Dallas area rapid transit officer. He worked as a security officer in Afghanistan and Iraq. He wanted to help keep people around the world safe.

And he was killed overnight on the streets of Dallas, his hometown, where he lived. We do not know the identities of the four other officers killed. We'll bring them to you as soon as we do, because these are people. We need to learn about these people.

Marc Lamont Hill, we just heard from Harry, how he believes that law enforcement around the country, who may be learning about this right now as they're waking up, how they are feeling this morning. What about protesters around the country who are on the streets maybe in these other cities in what were largely peaceful protests? They're waking up this morning. What are they thinking?

MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, they're thinking two things.

First, protesters who are very vocal about anti-black violence, et cetera, we still care about human beings. No one wants this to happen. And so people are mourning. The first instinct is to mourn, to feel sad, to feel pain, because no one wants that to happen. The protests we've seen have largely been peaceful, because that's the primary strategy you've seen deployed.

But the second thing, and it's just as human, is to say, oh, my God, I hope isn't one of the protesters doing this. That was also my second thought. My first thought again was I hope the officer's OK. When I heard they weren't, I prayed for their families.

Next thing I thought was I hope this is just a disconnect. I hope this is not what I think. And awful terrorist of some sort, as opposed to -- as opposed to an act of protest. Again, it can muddy the movement. This is the kind of modus operandi of protestors, and it's really not.

When I say terrorists, I simply mean anyone who engages in an act of violence for political purposes.

BERMAN: Anyone who targets and guns down five cops, anyone who...

CUOMO: Absolutely.

BERMAN: I have no problem calling them a terrorist.

CUOMO: There's several things. Right? They're a murderer, coward; they're a terrorist because of what they're trying to achieve through this senseless act.

But how is -- how are you struck by what Harry says, which is you keep bashing the police. Every time there's one of these shootings, you say it's all police. And there's no question that there's hyperbole involved in protests and that there's anger, and anger often, you know, really amps things up. We've seen it on the streets in different cities.

HILL: Absolutely.

CUOMO: So what does that mean to you, the notion that maybe that type of talk led us to this point today?

HILL: Well, I would appeal to evidence and say there's no evidence of that. Over the last few years, we've seen the strongest critiques of police probably since the 1960s -- perhaps ever. We've seen the longest kind of resistance movement against state violence in American history over the last two years. And police deaths in the line of duty have actually gone down.

So again, there's no evidence that that is the case. There are outliers. Of course, there are always outliers. But there's no one- to-one correlation, and there's evidence, actually, that it has gone down.

The second thing that I would say, though -- and I think it's important to say, is that we -- is that the movement is largely mot about the movement. People who are out not wanting -- not just police violence, not wanting any violence. The same people who are out here saying police shouldn't be killing us, saying we should have fewer guns on the street. You don't model that by going out and executing five police officers.

I don't know the evidence there. We don't know the facts yet, but there's no reason to assume that. I want it to play out and see what happens.

BERMAN: Matt, is this a case where everyone can be right? Because what I hear from a lot of law enforcement, what we heard from the president overnight is that what has been going on and the mistrust that has been created or has developed over the last few years with these officer-involved shootings makes people less safe. Not just the people on the streets but officers, as well. It creates an environment which these are dangerous things.

HORACE: It absolutely - it absolutely does, but let's be clear about several things.

No. 1, police by and large -- I'm a member of a number of professional law enforcement organizations -- feel like they're being targeted as a result of everything we've seen over the past several years.

BERMAN: I think that's clear. They do feel that way.

HORACE: They do feel that way.

But I think there's another thing to point out also. And I call it the coptics of what we're dealing with right now. The optics of police in the digital age. Things that people are seeing now are coming right into their front living rooms, right on their phones, right on YouTube. Everyone sees it. And no matter what side of the fence you're sitting on, you have an opinion about it.

The police feel victimized. Some of the citizens feel victimized. We're at a place where we have to complete the narrative and have got to move forward.

CUOMO: As we said earlier, you know, we all know people who are on the job being journalists, and they are among the first when these shootings happen to say they need to investigate, as they find it out.

The last thing a good cop wants is a bad cop in their midst. We hear it time and time again. There is a lot of news. It's now just about 6:30 Eastern Time. We want to tell you what's going on in Dallas right now. There's major breaking news.

All right. So we'll reset it right like that. I was waiting for a breaking news graphic. Didn't get one, don't need it. Let's get to Sara Sidner in Dallas. That is the scene of this ambush-style attack on police, Sara. Eleven casualties involved. At least five officers killed. It was happening during a protest in response --