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Video Of Police Shooting Released; Pentagon Confirms The Death Of Pakistani Taliban Leader; Theresa May Takes Seat As New PM; CNN Town Hall Raises Questions About Policing In Black Neighborhoods. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired July 14, 2016 - 06:30   ET

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[06:30:01] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: -- issue that's going to take more time to unpack, but just a quick taste, Joe, the idea there does need to be a culture shift and not just on the police side. People are rude. They're disrespectful. Young people especially from minority populations, counsel (ph) tell you, feel it's OK to get in my face and to provoke me now and that has to change as well. Is that true?

JOSEPH GIACALONE, LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINER: To a degree. That's on both sides too because you have cops that don't know how to talk to people either. So, you have a situation where -- you know, listen, you could do as much training as you want, but the people you already have, you're stuck with, so to speak. Some people will just never be able to change no matter what you do to them, no matter how much training you put them through. And we've all been there with people from all walks of life. And let me tell you something, common sense is the biggest thing you have to have.

CUOMO: Good. I appreciate the perspective on these. We'll keep talking about it. I'm out of time right now. But everyone of this is a step. And I'm going to keep presenting to you guys and our expert what I hear in response because that'll help answer people's questions. Marc, thank you. Jack, always great.

Coming up on NEW DAY, we're going to talk with three people who shared a powerful moment at that town hall last night. And you'll get to see what they're living and their reality.

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: What a night it was. Also, this across the pond. Britain's new Prime Minister Theresa May hitting the ground running after she met with the queen yesterday. One of her first cabinet appointments an absolute stunner because of what he has said about President Obama and Hillary Clinton among others. A live report from London next.

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[06:35:23] HARLOW: Police in Fresno, California, releasing body cam video of a deadly officer-involved shooting last month. We want to warn you before we play it. This is very graphic.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you step forward, you're going to get shot, man. Get down on the ground now.

Shots fired. Suspect down.

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HARLOW: The victim, 19-year-old Dylan Noble, shot four times and killed. The officers had pulled him over responding to a report of a man with a rifle. The police chief says the officers thought that Noble was reaching for a weapon. He turned out to be unarmed.

CUOMO: U.S. officials are trying to confirm if it took out a top ISIS leader again. ISIS leaders are already saying their commander Omar al-Shishani known as Omar the Chechen was killed in Iraq. The U.S.- led coalition thought it had killed him four months ago in Syria.

Now in a separate action, the Pentagon confirmed it took out a commander of the Pakistani Taliban responsible for the deaths of more than 130 children.

HARLOW: Britain's new Prime Minister Theresa May becoming the U.K.'s second female prime minister. She is already making some key appointments and major moves. One of her first appointments causing really sending shock waves. London's former mayor and outspoken leader of the Brexit campaign Boris Johnson now being named foreign secretary.

CNN International Diplomatic Editor Nic Robertson joins us now. She is the second woman, following Margaret Thatcher, the iron lady. Some people are making comparisons. And she has a huge, huge job how to lead Britain on its own.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yeah, and certainly the fact she's in office, she's begun appointing cabinet ministers is sort of steadying the country to a degree, if you will. She's come in, you know, unlike Margaret Thatcher whom all those comparisons have been made promising more of a compassionate type of conservativism. And looking after the poor, helping the less well off get better educated, better jobs, all of those sorts of things.

Now, at the same time, she's trying to heal a rift in her party and the country. All those who voted to leave, all those who voted to remain. So she's given the top job to one of those people. Her allies, if you will, who are main campaign, into the treasury at number 11 Downing Street. Philip Hammond moved in for the foreign office. But the surprise pick and part of her balancing act with all those leave campaigners, high-profile leave campaigners, Boris Johnson, the flamboyant former mayor of London picked to lead the foreign office.

This is a man who just a few months ago wrote in a British newspaper just ahead of President Obama's visit here to see David Cameron late in April said that he was accused in sort of racial (inaudible) part Kenyan. He also said of Hillary Clinton back in 2007 that she was a statistic nurse in a mental hospital.

So the special relationship between Britain and the United States, you might wonder what's going on with that. But Boris Johnson is known also for being amiable one can expect and to make amends to what he said there but of course Theresa made the key thing as heal the party, bring the country back together. Chris?

CUOMO: Nic, it's going to be very interesting to see when, in terms of timing, and what the approach will be when May reaches out to the U.S. to see what that relationship will be going forward. Nic Robertson, thank you very much for keeping us in the loop.

We'll take a little break. when we come back, I want to show you one of the moments from CNN's live town hall last night. This Dallas mom, she's got a 14-year-old kid and literally was that moment that's so important in this dialogue. What do we do with African-American kids and police? How do we make this situation better? Here's a little look.

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SHARAY SANTORA, WITNESS DALLAS SHOOTING: My 14- year-old is sitting right there, so you tell him he needs to be more respectful. You tell him he needs to be more compliant to your rules and your laws. Because I've told him, and obviously, it doesn't matter, because you're telling me I'm not telling him enough.

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CUOMO: There are a lot of mothers in this woman's position. She's going to join us with two former officers. Let's continue the conversation.

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All right, turning to other news. A mother's fear, the question for police that had officers offering her comfort at CNN's town hall last night. We will discuss it all straight ahead on "NEW DAY."

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[06:48:45] CUOMO: Everybody agrees that this matters and deserves conversation, so let's continue it. CNN's town hall last night really raised a lot of questions, and there was a lot of emotion about what's happening with policing and black communities. But there was a standout moment that was also like a metaphor for so many situations. Here it is.

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SANTORA: My 14-year-old is sitting right there, so you tell him he needs to be more respectful. You tell him he needs to be more compliant to your rules and your laws. Because I've told him, and obviously, it doesn't matter, because you're telling me I'm not telling him enough.

DIMITRI ROBERTS, FORMER CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER: I will not sit here as a leader who took an oath and let this young lady behind me cry because she and her family and her children don't feel protected. As a leader and as somebody who took that oath, I'm sorry that we have not fulfilled our civil duty and our responsibility to you and this community and your children, and I'm sorry. I just want to take a moment and you I'm sorry.

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CUOMO: Joining us now, the mother you just saw, who witnessed the Dallas ambush, Sharay Santora. And we have former Chicago police officer Demetri Roberts and former Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy. Thank you all for getting up this morning and continuing this conversation.

[06:50:08] It took a lot for you to reach out and express the fear and the concern that you have. How surprised were you by the response from the former officer?

SANTORA: I wasn't expecting it. I was already trying to stay in a place where people could hear me and I wasn't being whining about it, I wasn't being a cry baby about it. I wasn't playing the victim about it. And for someone in his position, I felt like he heard me and he understood me and he recognized the apology that I needed so that we could start moving forward.

CUOMO: So much of the fear in that situation is being judged for what you say, right. What prompted your response to it? You could have gone a lot of different ways.

ROBERTS: Sure, Chris, but I treated her like I wanted to be treated. And if I was in fear for anything, I would want somebody to come to me and say, for whatever reason that may be, I'm sorry. And what can I do to help? And that further tells me where we have a solution here. And that is, especially as a former law enforcement officer, instead of me first thinking about putting on a hat of enforcement, I want to think first about putting on a hat of service and saying, how can I serve you here, what can I do to better where we are and where you are from the current situation that's brought us together.

CUOMO: Protect and serve. So Garry, as a former superintendent, you understand these issues so well. They're presented to you in so many different ways when you're running, you know, when you're a superintendent. The data, the political, you know, the personal, the realities. Last night in a situation like this, do you think it was helpful in as much as it allowed people to display what the emotion is involved here, which is often the precursor to the reasoning behind the problems, but first they have to feel. Do you think that was present and helpful?

GARRY MCCARTHY, FORMER CHICAGO POLICE SUPERINTENDENT: Yes, I do. I do. And the point is, we have to do something from here. And, you know, I came away last night with another -- I'm sorry, another conversation about law enforcement, not really a conversation with law enforcement.

CUOMO: Yeah. I heard you say that last night.

MCCARTHY: I think there's an opportunity here. The question is, are we going to do it? Because, you know, I don't mean to sound callous, but I didn't learn so much last night because I knew this. I knew everything that I already heard. It was reinforced. So where do we go from here is the question.

CUOMO: Let's talk about this moment that we had and how it was differently understood, OK? There are two takes on it. One is the emotionally honest and obvious one, which is wow, this mother is really worried about her kid, there's real concerns, they're realized by so many people in this country. What an unusual thing for the officer to do. There was another reaction which was why is he apologizing? This guy has a job to do. These African-American communities are committing the crime and these kids are a problem and they don't treat police officers with respect anymore. What do you think is going to happen? Now, when you hear those notions, how do you feel that they do or do not apply to you and your life?

SANTORA: I feel like they don't apply at all. I was raised in the country. And I was raised, yes, sir, no, sir. No matter who you are, no matter what walk of life and what position, I don't know you. Out of respect, I'm going to address you as if you were someone who deserved to be respected.

CUOMO: And you said last night, when it comes to your son, you know, yes, whether it's fair or unfair, you have conversations with him about what to do when somebody from law enforcement or an official capacity comes into his life. What do you tell him?

SANTORA: I tell him be respectful. If nothing else, when someone approaches you, sometimes you just have to be quiet and listen, see what they're saying to you, and you might not agree with it, but you still have to be respectful.

CUOMO: Now to your former fellow brothers and sisters of the blue who will say, you know, when you do that, when you embrace and say I'm sorry, you're admitting that we're the problem and you can't do that. We're not the problem. We were doing our job. What do you say?

ROBERTS: Not by any means. Nobody is the problem here. What we have to do is find some common ground that we can move forward from. By simply saying I'm sorry doesn't take away from me being a professional, but insinuates a level of humility that we all need to be approach in these situations from whether I'm in uniform as a police officer, in a uniform as a military member, or wearing a suit as a civilian. What I say to my fellow brothers and sisters in uniform is let's not further divide this situation.

There is huge disparities, a huge differences between the police culture and the community culture. And now from what we saw tonight, we have an opportunity to bridge that divide between those two cultures and maybe as far as by shaking a hand, maybe as far as by saying I'm sorry, but it has to start somewhere. This is where it starts, right here, Chris.

[06:55:15] CUOMO: So you're nodding your head, Garry. From all of you who know about this, we're talking about it, we're allowing people to say what they say and trying to be respectful about it on both sides. Where does it usually peter out, and what do you hope can be different in this phase of our society?

MCCARTHY: Well, not even going to where it peters out. I don't think we're achieving anything. There's marches. There's rhetoric. There's speeches. There's unfortunately funerals. And we're not getting anywhere. We need a plan. A plan comes from sitting down, having a conversation, having that exposure, and having frank conversations, talking about what's wrong, making admissions about what we did wrong, what has happened that's been wrong, and then moving forward.

And until that conversation is had -- that's why I made the offer. I think can I bring the leaders of faw enforcement nationally to a conversation with Black Lives Matter. I made that offer last night. I gave out my card. I'm going to be in touch with your producers and push that issue.

CUOMO: We'll stay on it. Garry --

ROBERTS: Here's my solution, Chris. How we bridge the divide between both cultures is to be more diverse, to be more inclusive, and to allow both cultures respectively to be immersed in the other. And that's where we can find a common ground of understanding. Because once you take a citizen and you put them in a seat of a law enforcement officer or you take a law enforcement and put them in a shoes of a citizen in the community that that officer is going to serve in, you're going to get a different perspective on either side.

So what I'm doing from my company, Seven Star Consulting, we put together an impact initiative and I am putting together a seven-star leadership coalition to include Garry, to include the members of the panels last night, and to include you Chris. Because what we all can agree on, regardless of what side of a hashtag we promote or what side of politics we come from, what we can say is tat we don't want to see anymore killing. And two, that at the end of the day, we all bleed the same color.

CUOMO: True, true. And Sharay, thank you so much for making it so real for so many last night. Appreciate it. We'll be right back.

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