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Aired September 13, 2016 - 07:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Donald Trump hasn't given any of his own money to the foundation that bears his name since his last donation in 2008.

[07:00:04] GOV. MIKE PENCE (R-IN), VICE-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: This is a man who's given away tens of millions of dollars to charitable causes.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE (via phone): We know the least about Donald Trump of any candidate in recent American history.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY.

Up first, a CNN exclusive for you. Hillary Clinton speaking out about her pneumonia. Why did Clinton keep this diagnosis from most of her staff? And what do voters have a right to know about their candidates' health?

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: And then we have a big role reversal in the campaign. Donald Trump is now arguing that Clinton is too insulting to be president, slamming her "basket of deplorables" comment as the biggest mistake of the political season. Will you voters buy this?

We're just 56 days out, eight weeks from election day. Ten days away from early voting in some states and only 13 days from the first debate between Trump and Clinton. We've got this high-stakes race covered for you. Let's begin with senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris.

Hillary Clinton is off the campaign trail for a second straight day. She's now acknowledging she could have been more forthcoming to avoid suggestions she was hiding something about her health.

Few people on her staff actually knew she had pneumonia, which made it more difficult to react. But now they are reacting. And she bluntly told CNN last night the American people deserve to know what he's hiding and what he's up to. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

H. CLINTON (via phone): I'm feeling so much better. And obviously, I should have gotten some rest sooner.

ZELENY (voice-over): Hillary Clinton speaking to CNN from her home after days of trying to recover from pneumonia.

H. CLINTON: I just thought I could keep going forward and power through it.

ZELENY: The Democratic nominee responding to critics who have slammed her campaign for not disclosing her diagnosis sooner.

H. CLINTON: I just didn't think it was going to be that big a deal.

ZELENY: She's trying to turn the transparency spotlight back on Donald Trump, who has yet to release his tax returns or medical records.

H. CLINTON: Compare everything you know about me with my opponent. I think it's time he met the same level of disclosure that I have for years.

ZELENY: Clinton pledging to return to the campaign trail this week, texting her supporters that she's feeling fine and getting better. And calling into the San Francisco fundraiser she was forced to miss.

H. CLINTON: I wish so much I could be there.

ZELENY: Clinton tells CNN she never lost consciousness when she lost her balance while leaving Sunday's 9/11 memorial service.

H. CLINTON: I felt overheated. I decided that I did need to leave. And as soon as I got into the air-conditioned van, I cooled off, I got some water, and very quickly I felt better.

ZELENY: Her husband, Bill Clinton, says this isn't the first time she's had such an incident.

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Rarely, but on more than one occasion, over the last many, many years, the same sort of thing's happened to her when she just got severely dehydrated.

H. CLINTON: I think really only twice that I can recall. It is something that has occurred a few times over the course of my life.

ZELENY: Back in 2012, Clinton fainted at her home, suffering a concussion, which her husband said took her six months to recover from. At the time, the State Department downplayed it as a stomach virus and dehydration.

Trump on the campaign trail unusually quiet about Clinton's health. As both candidates vow to release more medical information this week.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE (via phone): I'll be releasing very, very specific numbers.

H. CLINTON: We'll have more information, but I've already released information about my health in this campaign, as well as nearly 40 years of tax returns. We've already met a high standard of transparency, and we know the least about Donald Trump of any candidate in recent American history.

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ZELENY: Now, medical records could be coming from both sides later this week. But before that, the Clinton campaign also trying to go back on offense to turn the page. This morning they're out with a brand-new ad showing how they believe Trump has insulted and demeaned some Americans.

Now Clinton could return to campaign trail as early as tomorrow, perhaps with a speech in Philadelphia if she's feeling up to it -- Chris and Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Jeff, thank you.

CUOMO: Thank you very much, my friend.

So this interview with Anderson Cooper and Hillary Clinton is our first look at why the former secretary, why this happened, why it happened this way. She answered tough questions about transparency, which is the greater concern here for her and her campaign. Take a listen.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: There's a lot of folks who are very worried about you. How are you feeling?

H. CLINTON (via phone): Oh, thank you, Anderson. I'm feeling so much better. And obviously, I should have gotten some rest sooner. I probably would have been better off if I'd just pulled down my schedule on Friday, but like a lot of people, I just thought I could keep going forward and power through it, and obviously, that didn't work out so well.

[07:05:06] I got to the memorial. I saw my friend and former colleague, Chuck Schumer. And the first thing he says to me is "I've had pneumonia, and I've been resting for five days."

And I looked at him and I said, "You know that's so funny. I've just been told I have pneumonia." So apparently, there's something to this that's going around.

COOPER: Yes. David Axelrod was very critical of the way that you and your campaign handled sharing your diagnosis with the public. He tweeted, "Antibiotics can take care of pneumonia. What's the cure for an unhealthy penchant for privacy that repeatedly creates unnecessary problems?"

Why not just say on Friday, as you said to, apparently, Senator Schumer on Sunday, you know, "I have pneumonia, folks. I'm going to power through it"? Why keep it a secret?

H. CLINTON: Well, I just didn't think it was going to be that big a deal. You know, I know Chuck said today he didn't tell anybody. It's just the kind of thing that, if it happens to you, and you're a busy, active person, you keep moving forward.

COOPER: But doesn't your handling of this and your campaign's -- you know, the refusal to acknowledge what happened until, really, after that video was circulated, confirm the suspicion of some voters that you're not transparent or trustworthy?

H. CLINTON: Oh, my goodness, Anderson. You know, compare everything you know about me with my opponent. I think it's time he met the same level of disclosure that I have for years.

You know, you've got a medical report on me that meets the same standard as Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. Donald Trump's doctor said he'd be the healthiest president in history. That's just not even serious.

And I've released nearly 40 years of tax returns. He hasn't released one. This is a man with unknown numbers of partners and investors who says he's doing 120 foreign deals. The American people deserve to know what he's up to and what he is hiding.

So if we weren't -- if we weren't fast enough, you know, I've talked to my staff. We, you know, take responsibility for that, but the information is out there. You can't say the same thing about Donald Trump.

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CAMEROTA: Well, the Trump campaign pouncing on Clinton's, quote, "basket of deplorables" that she made this weekend, claiming that she has contempt for voters. This as Trump running mate Mike Pence refuses to call former KKK leader David Duke deplorable.

CNN's Sunlen Serfaty is live in Washington with more.

Give us the latest, Sunlen.

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Alisyn, the Trump campaign there really trying to keep the spotlight very squarely focused on Hillary Clinton's gaffe. Trump elevating this one step farther at his rally last night where he called a group of supporters up on to stage to give somewhat of testimonials as to why they think they are not deplorable. Here's Donald Trump last night.

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TRUMP: After months of hiding from the press, Hillary Clinton came out and finally told the world how she feels about the people of this country. She said tens of millions of patriotic Americans are a basket of deplorables. How can you be president -- how can you be president for so many people? She talks about people like they're objects, not human beings. (END VIDEO CLIP)

SERFATY: And as the Trump campaign tries to go on the offensive on this, his running mate, Mike Pence, is causing them to play some defense. Pence getting a little heat for his interview on CNN, where he was asked about some of their support that the campaign has attracted from white nationalists, including from David Duke, a former KKK leader.

Now, Pence did disavow David Duke's support, but he refused to call him deplorable. Here's what he told Wolf Blitzer.

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PENCE: I'm not really sure why the media keeps dropping David Duke's name. Donald Trump has denounced David Duke repeatedly. We don't want his support, and we don't want the support of people who think like him.

BLITZER: So you would call him a deplorable? You would call him that?

PENCE: No, I'm not in the name calling business, Wolf. You know me better than that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SERFATY: And the Clinton campaign, they have pounced right on that, tweeting out, quote, "If you won't say the KKK is deplorable, you have no business running the country."

And a campaign -- Trump campaign official tells me that Donald Trump will keep up these attacks on Hillary Clinton over this "deplorable" comment today at his event in Iowa. And later today we will see the return of his daughter, Ivanka Trump. She will be back out on the campaign trail, campaigning with him in Pennsylvania. Chris, this is one of her first big appearances since her convention speech.

CUOMO: All right, thank you very much, Sunlen.

Let's discuss these big ideas that are going on in the campaign with CNN political commentator and Trump supporter Kayleigh McEnany and CNN political commentator, Clinton supporter and vice chair of the New York State Democratic Party, Christine Quinn.

I've got one for each of you.

CHRISTINE QUINN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: OK.

CUOMO: First you, Christine. Let's put that Axelrod tweet back up. Obviously, not an enemy of the Clintons. Of course, he ran the Obama campaign against her in 2008. "Antibiotics can take care of pneumonia." True, depending on what kind it is. "What's the cure for an unhealthy penchant for privacy that repeatedly creates unnecessary problems?" [07:10:00] My suggestion -- Kayleigh, you can differ if you want -- is

this is not about her health. We have no proof to question her health in any legitimate way. However, we have a lot of proof to question the nature of transparency with this candidate and her campaign. You only get to know what they want you to know when they want you to know it. Fair criticism?

QUINN: Well, I think you could say the final part of what you said about most candidates out there, right, that they tell us the information. And I think if anybody heard Secretary Clinton last night on "ANDERSON COOPER," she made some very good points. She didn't think this was a big deal. She thought she could power through it.

CUOMO: She said the same thing about the server.

QUINN: And I've got to say...

CUOMO: Just saying, just for an analogy, which is you know, "I probably should have. I didn't think it was that big a deal." The control of information, the concern of what's going to happen to her if it gets out fuels almost a paranoia. That's the criticism.

QUINN: But let me just say one thing about the powering through, which I think is important. I respect Hillary Clinton in saying, "I'm going to go to the 9/11 memorial, even though maybe the doctors said I should rest." I think that is something to be respected.

CUOMO: Me, too. I did the interview with her on Friday. We talked about health. We're both allergy suffers.

QUINN: Me, too.

CUOMO: She didn't mention pneumonia. She powered through. She gave thoughtful answers.

QUINN: She may not have known.

CUOMO: She's got a great engine. I'm not disputing that. I'm talking about the transparency.

QUINN: I believe that, as Secretary Clinton said last night, whether it's all of the e-mails that are now out, whether it's the medical information she's put out from a doctor who has actual privileges in New York City, which you cannot say about Donald Trump's doctor, all of the taxes, all of that that's out there is beyond, in some cases, an ethic standard of what's expected of a presidential candidate.

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: That's not quite true.

QUINN: And you cannot say that about Donald Trump.

CUOMO: All right. So let's get to Trump.

QUINN: Just to tell you, we see reports...

MCENANY: That's not quite true.

QUINN: ... in "The Washington Post" of phantom donations from the Trump Foundation.

CUOMO: We'll cover that. We have Fahrenthold, the writer for "The Washington Post," on the show today. NEW DAY has been all over this story. But what are you taking exception to?

MCENANY: I'm taking exception to the fact that she selectively discloses what is in her interests. But things that she's required by law to disclose -- the Federal Records Act requires that she preserves her e-mails -- her aides took hammers to the Blackberries and Bleach Bit, a software program, to bleach the e-mails from history.

So she can selectively disclose things she's not required by law to disclose. She's not required to disclose her medical records. But why destroy documents you're required by law to preserve?

QUINN: Using the phrase "required by law" would imply that some law had been broken.

MCENANY: The Federal Records Act was broken.

QUINN: With all due respect, Kayleigh, as a lawyer, the head of the FBI, a man who you cannot question his record, has said no law was broken, one. Two, the standard for...

CUOMO: Hold on. Let me pause for one second. Just for you at home who are following this along, you're in law school, you're a lawyer.

QUINN: I'm not a lawyer.

CUOMO: I'm a lawyer. I'm saying. Just so you know. The Federal Records Act was arguably violated by what she did. That is a State Department guideline that they would enforce. She was out of office when all this came out.

MCENANY: Exactly.

CUOMO: So they could not enforce that.

It being illegal is a term of art that would apply to the federal, whether this is a misdemeanor or a felony. That's what the FBI was looking at. They found no basis to prosecute this case. So it's a little bit of a -- there's a complex issue.

QUINN: Yes, absolutely. But I want to be clear. There was -- the director has said, FBI director, no laws were broken.

MCENANY: And I love that you extol him as being of unimpeachable character, because he called her extremely careless. Someone who...

QUINN: And beyond that...

MCENANY: ... is of unimpeachable character and high standards...

QUINN: Beyond that...

MCENANY: ... called her extremely careless.

QUINN: ... I -- look at his record.

MCENANY: Called her extremely careless.

QUINN: Beyond that, what is necessary for presidential disclosure, which is a great little twist there by the Trump campaign, is not the same thing as a legal standard.

For -- since Richard Nixon, every presidential candidate has disclosed their taxes. I'm not saying Donald Trump is legally bound to do that. I'm saying he's ethically bound to do that, and he should do that as a nominee.

CUOMO: So let's pick up that...

QUINN: Beyond that...

CUOMO: Let's pick up that part of the ball. You know, let's take this in pieces. All right. Because with these two campaigns, there's a lot to talk about when it comes to transparency. Let's not overwhelm the audience.

Fair criticism, Trump has not given the kinds of disclosures we are used to seeing. The defense is, well, he was a private citizen. I find that unsatisfying. This foundation that's going on right now, the criticism, he could dump a ton of information to prove what Mike Pence is said and others about how much money he gives. All he'd have to do is release his taxes. Charitable giving would be in there on an individual basis. He doesn't want to do it. So is he to blame for questions of his own transparency?

MCENANY: No, I don't think so. Look, he's, again, not required to release his taxes. If he doesn't want to do so, he doesn't have to so. We know that he has paid taxes within the bounds of law. He's survived nearly a dozen...

CUOMO: How do we know?

MCENANY: He's survived nearly a dozen audits.

CUOMO: Why are they auditing him if it's such a clear question?

MCENANY: He's passed -- many billionaires and millionaires are audited. That's something that regularly happens.

CUOMO: Many of them because they're trying to cheat the system. The system he goes after as crooked.

MCENANY: Donald -- Donald Trump has survived nearly a dozen audits. He's paying taxes within the bounds of the law.

CUOMO: By the way, have you seen proof that he's being audited right now? MCENANY: Proof that he's being audited right now? No, we don't know

that, but we take him at his word.

[07:15:00] CUOMO: Do you think that's odd?

MCENANY: I think that if he were not being audited, I think...

CUOMO: All he has to do -- do you think he'd show us the IRS letter that says, "You're under audit"? I've gotten a few.

MCENANY: I can promise you this. The politicized IRS who went after Tea Party groups using the power of the federal government would somehow find a way to let us know if Donald Trump were not under audit.

QUINN: Let me just focus on one thing Kayleigh said, what she said, which I believe is true, that Donald Trump discloses what he wants to. He is not legally bound to disclose his taxes. And he doesn't want to, so he isn't.

So the question pops into my mind, again, what is he hiding if he doesn't disclose them? And why does he only tell us what he wants us to know and claims he's transparent?

CUOMO: Why don't you answer that question about your own candidate? That's the same question that people.

QUINN: She's disclosed her taxes. She's disclosed 40 years of her taxes.

CUOMO: Because that was something that she wanted us to know. What about all the things that they don't want us to know?

QUINN: I don't -- you cannot say Donald Trump is giving everything if you then say he only gives what he wants, which is what is in his best interests.

And let's go to his foundation. This is an entity that we don't -- we believe he's given no money to, but we don't know that, because he won't tell us, since 2008. The foundation gave an illegal contribution to the Florida attorney general, who then stepped down on her investigations into Trump University. There are now reports in "The Washington Post" that he used foundation funds to buy items for himself, which is illegal, at best.

CUOMO: Wait, wait. So we know -- we're going to pick this up later in the show. But a quick rebuttal from you.

MCENANY: Yes. "The Washington Post," this is proof of horrendous journalism, that you have the reporter coming on saying he bought gifts without disclosing the fact that he was at a Susan G. Komen Foundation event, where he auctioned for an item. That money went to breast cancer, which I think is a great cause and a great, worthy cause for a foundation to donate to.

We're talking about five disclosures within his foundation, many of which can be -- can be proven off as merely clerical errors, versus the Clinton Foundation, where she met half of the donors she met with nongovernment meetings were with donors to the Clinton Foundation. It was a revolving door of corruption where, if you donated to the foundation, you got access to the State Department.

CUOMO: But corruption -- corruption implies that we have proven or shown...

QUINN: Correct.

CUOMO: ... pay-for-play. This is another situation that was investigated by the FBI, which is part of the Clinton defense. Which is, "I get investigated all the time about stuff. Trump never has. What if it were on him?"

They found no proof of what you call corruption. Corruption means something. It doesn't mean smells bad. It means it is bad.

MCENANY: Since Christine -- since Christine brings up the FBI and loves the director so much, the FBI director has recommended one foundation be investigated to the Justice Department. That is the Clinton Foundation. The Justice Department declined to investigate. That FBI who you extol as being of unimpeachable character recommended investigation of the Clinton Foundation.

QUINN: The FBI. We don't know who in the FBI.

But let's just go back to the Susan G. Komen thing. Because I don't want to throw around breast cancer survivors as some cloak for Donald Trump. He could have given the money. By law, he was totally allowed to give foundation money to a good group, but he doesn't get to take the item. He doesn't get to have the item.

MCENANY: We don't know if he has the item. Have you seen the item? Do you know? Have you been in his house?

QUINN: Thank God I have not. He purchased the item. This is a pattern of illegal act...

CUOMO: OK.

QUINN: ... of what appears to be illegal action in the Trump Foundation. And you can't cover it up. And there's none of his money there since 2008. So he's perfectly happy to give other people's money away and other people's money away to candidates, the Florida attorney general, which is clearly something not allowed, and he was fined for that, significantly.

CUOMO: All right. And on the foundation again, NEW DAY is taking this up with the writer from "The Washington Post." We'll vet that story.

Christine, Kayleigh, thank you very much...

MCENANY: Thank you.

CUOMO: ... for making the cases from the respective campaigns -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Well, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are in the final stretch of the 2016 race. So what do each of the campaigns need to do to win? Michael Smerconish has some free advice next.

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[07:22:38] It is crunch time for Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Election day is just eight weeks from today. So let's bring in our CNN political commentator and host of "SMERCONISH," Michael Smerconish, who has free advice this morning for the candidates.

Nice to see you, Michael.

MICHAEL SMERCONISH, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Nice to see you.

CAMEROTA: You have a prescription for each one of the candidates and what they need to do for the next eight weeks. Let's pull up what you say Donald Trump needs to do. Here's what you say.

He needs to resist saying anything about Hillary Clinton's health. The less he says, the better. He needs to expand his tent beyond angry white guys without college degrees. He needs to look presidential in debates.

Care to expound on those?

SMERCONISH: Sure. I'll begin with No. 1.

I think he's sitting on his iPhone for the last 24 hours, and that's a really good thing, because I am sure he is tempted to say something snarky about her health; and the best that he can say is that he wishes her a full and speedy recovery. I'm sure that's difficult for him.

Expanding that tent is something that we've described before. How does he do it? He's got to make the pitch directly to people of color. Because Alisyn, even if he doesn't win them over, or win over a significant number of them, at least moderates will see him making that effort, and I think it will benefit him in those quarters. And I'm really thinking of suburban and ex-urban college-educated Republicans who ought to be in his column and aren't.

And No. 3, as you reference, is the most obvious one. He gets a big opportunity at Hofstra in just another two weeks. He's got to look presidential on that debate stage.

CUOMO: All right. Other side.

CAMEROTA: OK. Let's look at what Clinton...

CUOMO: Let's look at these.

CAMEROTA: ... needs to do. I'll read them. She needs to, No. 1, get healthy. Mobilize the female, young and people of color. And run out the clock without further e-mail revelations. I've noticed these are easier said than done, your -- your

prescriptions for them.

CUOMO: That's why the advice is free.

CAMEROTA: Exactly.

SMERCONISH: Well, No. 3 -- No. 3 is beyond her control. You know, No. 3, which is run out the clock without any more e-mail revelations, could be in the hands of Vladimir Putin. I'm convinced that the reason that Donald Trump speaks so well of Putin is he's trying to greenlight some type of a document dump in the time days of the campaign.

Getting healthy is obvious. If I can just say, as someone who completely lacks medical credentials, if I had a family member that I was driving in a minivan who stumbled into the van the way that she did, I would not have been driving to a daughter's apartment in Chelsea. I would have been driving to at least a physician's office and probably an E.R.

[07:25:12] And I can't help but saying but for that are video, would we know any of this?

And finally, with regard to her, she's got to mobilize those constituencies that Barack Obama does so well with. Today he's in my hometown of Philadelphia, no doubt with that specific goal in mind.

CUOMO: I have a question.

CAMEROTA: Go ahead.

CUOMO: The move by Trump to play to advantage the "deplorable" comment, no question she overreached by saying 50 percent. She has admitted that. Do you think this can work for Trump, of all people, to say Hillary Clinton is disqualified from being president, because she's too critical of people?

SMERCONISH: Listen, by the way that she explained it, I've got some deplorables who are a butter knife away from me at the Thanksgiving table, so I better be careful.

I think that what really is happening is that he gets to motivate his base...

CUOMO: It was kind of funny.

SMERCONISH: ... but I don't -- I don't know that he necessarily grows it with that comment.

But that is the ultimate way for her to have stoked his constituency to come out on election day. Does it move the needle with anybody else? I don't know, because on radio so far, it's a Rorschach test. You know, people who are for her say, "Yes, she was right." And the people who are for him say, "How dare she say that?" CAMEROTA: I want to get back to her pneumonia for a second, Michael, because you brought that up. Are we, as voters, entitled to know that she -- on Friday that she had pneumonia?

SMERCONISH: Absolutely. In my opinion. And you know, her Yale Law School classmate was Lanny Davis. And Lanny wrote a really great book about crisis management with three mantra in it, which was to say tell it early, tell it all, and tell it yourself. She's violated that coda.

And by not getting out ahead of it on Friday, she set up the -- I don't know how she made it through that interview with Chris, by the way. But then to set up the scenario where, on Friday, we all learned the details and not until hours after.

CAMEROTA: On Sunday.

SMERCONISH: She's her own worst enemy in circumstances like this. And -- and what it does is it reinforces the liabilities that her campaign possesses about lack of trustworthiness.

And by the way, one final point. Everything she said to Anderson last night about Trump is true. He ought to release his taxes. He ought to release his health records. They both should.

CUOMO: So why doesn't she go the full Bernstein? We had Carl Bernstein on the show. And he says the remedy for Hillary and what would hurt Trump the most is go full transparency. Hold these press conferences out the wazoo. Give every -- give the speeches from Wall Street. Give everything and show, "This is the kind of president that I'll be. The suspicion is you can't trust me. Here. Here's everything. What do you want to know, and I'll give it to you. Trump won't."

Why doesn't she play it that way, if you're going to ask them to do impossible things?

SMERCONISH: First of all, I like Carl's advice. I agree with it. I think it runs contrary to her DNA and probably to his, as well, meaning Bill's. You know, they really are of a mindset that there's a vast right-wing conspiracy. Part of that is true. There is, but it gets fueled by the way in which they handle these sort of circumstances.

I think that's probably a brilliant strategy that she immediately now be forthcoming with everything and shine the spotlight back on him.

CAMEROTA: All right, Michael. Thanks. Always great to get your take on all of this. Thanks for being here.

CUOMO: So let's go into this idea that Michael was teeing up for us here about the transparency and the nature of these candidates. Let's look at it in the context of history.

There's no question there's still major questions about both Trump and Clinton. Are they going to be more open after the scrutiny of this week? Two of their supporters from Congress are going to debate whether or not these two are the least transparent candidates we've ever had.

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