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Obama Blasts Media Coverage of Trump; Trump Unveils Child Care Plan to Woo Women Voters; Colin Powell Calls Trump a Disgrace, Obama Stumps for Hillary; Interview with Rep. Steve King. Aired 7-7:30a ET

Aired September 14, 2016 - 07:00   ET

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[07:00:03] BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: We are -- listen, somebody (ph) falls down on this job, but we're supposed to be working for the viewers. And I think for the most part, we're asking questions the viewers want to have asked.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: We're trying. Jim, Brian, thank you. Great to have both of you here.

JIM RUTENBERG, MEDIA COLUMNIST, NEW YORK TIMES: Thanks so much.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: And in that vein, there is a lot of news to tell you about. So let's get right to it.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Hillary Clinton is running a policy-free campaign.

CHELSEA CLINTON, DAUGHTER OF HILLARY CLINTON: My mother is the only person running for president who has a real plan.

IVANKA TRUMP, DAUGHTER OF DONALD TRUMP: My father has created a plan that is designed to provide working parents with options.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: To be president, you have to do your homework, and you have to know what you're talking about.

D. TRUMP: While my opponent slanders you as deplorable and irredeemable, I call you hard-working American patriots.

SEN. TIM KAINE (D-VA), VICE-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: She advanced the notion that, if you're chumming around with the head of the Ku Klux Klan, that's deplorable.

D. TRUMP: It's time to free ourselves from the baskets that politicians try to put us into.

OBAMA: We cannot afford suddenly to treat this like a reality show.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota. CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. Up first, Donald

Trump ramping up his push to court women voters, unveiling his child care plan last night. His expanded proposal is considered a big shift from traditional GOP doctrine. Trump's daughter, Ivanka, helping to sell that plan.

CAMEROTA: On the other side, President Obama blasting Trump on the campaign trail, and hackers reveal that former secretary of state, Colin Powell, called Trump a, quote, "national disgrace."

All of this as Hillary Clinton says that she will return to the trail tomorrow.

Election day now 55 days away, and early voting begins in just nine days in some states. Trump and Clinton will face off in their first debate 12 days from today. So we have it all covered for you.

Let's begin with senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns with more. What's the latest, Joe?

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Morning, Alisyn. This is clearly a play for the women's vote, unveiled in a critical state, Pennsylvania. A bit unusual for a Republican candidate especially, the idea of six weeks of paid maternity leave in the form of unemployment benefits for new mothers whose employers don't offer maternity leave.

The critique on that is that this doesn't address leave for fathers. There's also some subsidies here otherwise known as tax breaks, allowing parents to deduct the average cost of child care in their state, based on the age of the child, and would be available for up to four children or elderly dependents.

And the plan would also provide tax deductions for stay-at-home parents with a working spouse.

Donald Trump speaking last night, explaining the importance of this policy proposal. But in the midst of it, also mischaracterizing the work Hillary Clinton has done on the same issue. Listen.

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D. TRUMP: For many families in our country, child care is now the single largest expense. Some would think that even more so than housing. Yet very little meaningful policy work has been done in this area. And my opponent has no child care plan.

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JOHNS: So, what did he get wrong there? The last part about Hillary Clinton. In fact, she has had a child care plan up on her website for more than a year. Her plan calls for 12 weeks of paid family leave, also essentially would put a cap on the cost of child care at no more than 10 percent of the family's income. Also providing free pre-K for all 4-year-olds. The Clinton campaign says the Trump proposal doesn't go far enough.

They put out a statement last night that says, "After spending his entire career and this entire campaign demeaning woman and dismissing the need to support working families, Donald Trump released a regressive and insufficient maternity leave policy that's out of touch, half-baked and ignores the way Americans live and work today."

By the way, the so-called pay-fors on both these plans are a problem. Where would the money from these programs come from? Trump says he'd do it by eliminating fraud in unemployment insurance. Hillary Clinton would do it by raising taxes on the wealthy. But both approaches really don't take into account some practical and political realities -- Chris.

CUOMO: You mean that everybody promises to take fraud out of different systems and it never happens?

JOHNS: Absolutely.

CUOMO: And now you're...

JOHNS: Years and years.

CUOMO: You can't pass a tax right now against the wealthy or anybody else in this country?

JOHNS: That's true.

CUOMO: Well pointed out, Joe, thank you very much.

All right. So former Secretary of State Colin Powell's e-mail was hacked. So now we all know what he thinks of Donald Trump, and it ain't good. Meantime, President Obama is making the case for Clinton, armed with brand-new economic ammunition.

CNN correspondent Phil Mattingly is live in Flint, Michigan. A very urgent situation in and of itself. He has more -- Phil.

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, no question about it, Chris. When it comes to Colin Powell, national disgrace, international pariah. At least in private, that's how the former secretary of state is describing Donald Trump.

Now in public, Barack Obama with a very similar tone.

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[07:05:06] OBAMA: I really, really, really want to elect Hillary Clinton.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): Dubbed Hillary Clinton's surrogate in chief, President Obama blasting Donald Trump's qualifications to replace him.

OBAMA: One candidate who's traveled to more countries than any secretary of state ever has, and the other who isn't fit in any way, shape or form to represent this country abroad and be its commander in chief.

One candidate's family foundation has saved countless lives around the world. The other candidate's foundation took money other people gave to his charity and then bought a six-foot tall painting of himself.

MATTINGLY: Obama rejecting Trump's claim he is fighting for the working class.

OBAMA: This guy, who spent 70 years on this earth showing no concern for working people. This guy's suddenly going to be your champion?

MATTINGLY: And discrediting Trump's portrayal of the economy.

D. TRUMP: We have a false economy. We have a bad economy.

OBAMA: By so many measures, America's stronger and more prosperous than when we started out on this journey together.

MATTINGLY: Obama's case bolstered by new U.S. Census numbers, showing the middle-class wages rising for the first time since the recession and poverty rates dropping sharply.

The president also slamming Trump for his praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

OBAMA: Their nominee is out there praising a guy, saying he's a strong leader, because he invades smaller countries, jails his opponents, controls the press and drives his economy into a long recession.

MATTINGLY: Trump fighting back on social media, tweeting, "Why isn't Obama working?" And "Russia took Crimea during the so-called Obama years. Why does Obama get a free pass?"

Obama pressing the media to do more to hold Trump accountable.

OBAMA: Donald Trump says stuff every day that used to be considered as disqualifying for being president. And, yet, because he says it over and over and over again, the press just gives up and they just say, "Well, yes, you know, OK."

We cannot afford suddenly to treat this like a reality show.

MATTINGLY: Trump keeping up his attack on Clinton for calling half of his supporters deplorable.

D. TRUMP: While my opponent slanders you as deplorable and irredeemable, I call you hard-working American patriots.

MATTINGLY: And continuing to go after his rival over her one-time use of a private e-mail server.

D. TRUMP: This is far bigger and a far bigger scandal than Watergate ever was.

(END VIDEOTAPE) MATTINGLY: And, guys, those attacks likely to continue today. It's worth noting that Donald Trump, this stop in Flint, Michigan, the ongoing water crisis was a huge issue in the Democratic primary, not so much in the Republican primary. So Trump coming here is definitely a shift for him, but worth noting, as well, this is the second largest majority black city in the state of Michigan. Trump continuing his outreach to African-Americans.

And also an expected tour of a water plant today here in Flint, trying to address that crisis that has really kind of overtaken this city and, in part, the state over the last couple of months, guys.

CAMEROTA: That will be interesting to watch. Phil, thank you for all of that preview.

So here to discuss everything that's happened on the campaign trail, we have CNN political commentator and former Donald Trump campaign manager, who is still receiving severance from the Trump campaign, Corey Lewandowski; and CNN political commentator and vice chair of the New York state Democratic party, Christine Quinn. Great to have both of you.

Christine, Donald Trump laid out his child care plan. Six weeks of paid maternity leave for new moms. You have to be happy about that.

CHRISTINE QUINN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, look, I'm not so happy when somebody stands up and gives incorrect information about Secretary Clinton and her commitment.

CAMEROTA: He said she did not have a plan, but of course, she does have a plan.

QUINN: For over a year.

CAMEROTA: She said for over a year. He wants six weeks of pay. She wants 12 weeks of pay at two-thirds the amount of your salary. And they talk about how they would both pay for it.

QUINN: The other thing I'm not happy about, if you look at that chart, is Donald Trump's plan might have been good 15, 20 years ago, right? He only is covering the mother. There is not coverage for the second parent at all. And it is really not a comprehensive, progressive plan.

And it comes from a man who, one of the last times we heard him talk about child care, he said the Trump Organization had all of these benefits for children, all of these services for children and parents. In fact, he was talking about the child care they offer the guests at his hotel and golf resort.

[07:10:08] So, this is really kind of the height of hypocrisy, and it comes after months of terrible language and comments and treatments of women and a lifetime of that.

CAMEROTA: Well, that's the point.

QUINN: It's just clear hypocrisy, and you can't believe it.

CAMEROTA: Well, Corey, this is what his critics say, is that 55 days, 56 days last night before the election is a tad late to start trying to court female voters like this.

COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Let me just touch one thing Phil just mentioned. Donald Trump is going to Flint, Michigan, today, has a large African-American population. What we're going to see today is a poll was recently done in South Carolina by the Trafalgar Group, which is the group that had the best percentage of calling the race properly in the primary.

What they're going to release today is that Donald Trump is receiving 25 percent of the African-American vote in South Carolina. That is astonishing. That goes directly to his outreach to the African- American community, which he's continuing today in Flint, Michigan.

CAMEROTA: OK.

LEWANDOWSKI: The reason that that's important is because three weeks ago, we were saying that Donald Trump didn't outreach to the African- American community and he had no plan for the African-American community. And what we'll see today is that 25 percent -- look, if Donald Trump receives 25 percent of the African-American community's vote in this general election, he's the president of the United States, unequivocally.

CAMEROTA: So you're saying that it's not too late for female voters either.

LEWANDOWSKI: What he's done is three weeks ago he did a systematic outreach to the African-American community, and he was criticized for not going to their communities. Now he's been to Detroit. He's going to Flint, Michigan. And his poll numbers are changing in that community.

CAMEROTA: Right. What about the female voters that also he's not doing well with?

LEWANDOWSKI: Here's where we are. No, that's not true.

CAMEROTA: That is true.

LEWANDOWSKI: With married female voters, in CNN's own poll, Donald Trump has a 17-point lead. Married -- married females, Donald Trump has a 17-point lead over Hillary Clinton.

CAMEROTA: When you look at all female voters as a whole, he's far down.

LEWANDOWSKI: You look at the married women in CNN's own poll.

CAMEROTA: So you're saying he's fine with female voters?

LEWANDOWSKI: We had just shy of eight weeks left in this campaign. That's all there is. There's plenty. And people are now starting to focus.

QUINN: I just think it's curious that, when asked specifically about the not comprehensive child care plan, the hypocritical child care plan and, in essence, the history of Donald Trump as being someone who has not supported women, in fact, been rude and horrible to women, Corey can't even stay on that topic.

And I -- I do not believe the poll numbers that have yet to be released. And I stand by the comments I made before that. The African-American outreach was not African-American outreach. It was designed to reach out to white voters and soften them. This is just another, to quote Mike Bloomberg, Donald Trump con.

CAMEROTA: Corey, let's talk about something that could be a challenge for Donald Trump. And that is if the economy is being shown to be improving, which it is. President Obama was on the trail yesterday, and there are these new census numbers that show that, on all sorts of metrics, the economy is ticking up. So let me play for you what President Obama said.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: More Americans are working, more have health insurance. Incomes are rising. Poverty is falling. And gas, yes, is $2 a gallon. I didn't even -- thank you for reminding me. Thanks, Obama.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: So, Corey, the argument things are so bad, things are getting worse, it doesn't bear out in the numbers with the economy right now.

LEWANDOWSKI: Look, I'm glad gas is $2 a gallon, because my F-150 drinks a lot of gas. Right? So I understand that. But what I also understand is that you can't have a broad generalization. There are still a number of people who are underemployed or unemployed.

CAMEROTA: Of course. Of course. There's a trend. That's right. But...

LEWANDOWSKI: But look at the growth rate. We don't want to be at 1 and 1.5 percent growth. We want to be at 4 percent growth. And what we need to do, and what we need is a president who has created jobs in the private sector to bring that notion to the public sector. And if we have a 4 percent job growth, if we have a 4 percent growth in our economy, it solves a lot of problems that we still currently have right now, including our massive $21 trillion deficit.

QUINN: Look, these are independent numbers that have come out and verified that the economy is doing...

CAMEROTA: Let me show a couple so people know what we're talking about. The median household income has gone up by 5.2 percent. It has basically gone up by $3,000 in the past year.

Poverty has gone down by 3.5 million people. Still too many people to Corey's point. However, it's going in the right direction.

QUINN: And those are -- look, you always want it to be bigger numbers and money to go up more and poverty to go down less. There's no question. But those are significant numbers that we, as Americans, should be proud of. Those are good numbers that are going to help people.

Are there still people we need to help? Absolutely. But they're not going to be helped by a man, Donald Trump, who has sent countless jobs overseas, jobs that should be staying here with Americans. It's not going to be helped by a man who has international deals that we don't even know the impact they have on American workers or the American economy.

And it's not going to be helped by a man whose tax plan focuses on trillions of dollars of tax breaks for the rich and nothing to help those folks who are finally seeing their incomes go up.

[07:15:15] CAMEROTA: Corey, one thing she's referring to is this "Newsweek" investigative piece about all of the entanglements, the foreign entanglements with countries like Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Russia, Ukraine, that the Trump Organization and foundation are entangled with.

If Donald Trump becomes president, would he and his family step away from the Trump Organization that they have built because of those entanglements?

LEWANDOWSKI: Look, absolutely not. Look, Mr. Trump has said...

QUINN: Absolutely not?

LEWANDOWSKI: He's said his children are going to run his business. And that's been very clear from day one.

CAMEROTA: So he would be compromised.

LEWANDOWSKI: Hold on, let's just talk about the author of the "Newsweek" piece. This is the same individual who said that he has information that George W. Bush was directly related to the 9/11 terrorist attack. This is the same individual who refused to fact check this story with the Trump Organization...

CAMEROTA: So you deny this whole -- you dismiss what he's found in terms of the connection? The Trump Organization and all of these foreign entanglements.

LEWANDOWSKI: If this author of "Newsweek" has direct information that George W. Bush was directly related to 9/11, produce that information.

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CAMEROTA: Well, what about this?

LEWANDOWSKI: He has zero credibility. No, no, it is a point of credibility. He has said that George W. Bush was directly involved with 9/11. He has no credibility.

CAMEROTA: But to a larger point, continue on with the foreign...

LEWANDOWSKI: The point is this. He did not fact check the story with the Trump Organization. That's a fact.

CAMEROTA: But there are foreign deals.

LEWANDOWSKI: Of course, there are, because he's an international businessman. He built a $10 billion corporation.

CAMEROTA: Right. So let's continue with that. There are foreign deals with the UAE, with Saudi Arabia. Do those continue? I mean, these are the same questions we've asked about the Clinton Foundation.

LEWANDOWSKI: His children will run a $10 billion corporation that his -- their father has built? Absolutely they do. Why wouldn't they? I mean...

CAMEROTA: Because he might be compromised by foreign deals and foreign money coming into it?

LEWANDOWSKI: Absolutely not. Look, Donald Trump has said very clearly that he is going to go, and if he's the president of the United States, he's going to turn his company over. What, is he just going to give up the company, going to fold up and unemploy 10,000 people?

CAMEROTA: How is that different from the Clinton Foundation?

LEWANDOWSKI: The Clinton Foundation doesn't employ those kind of people. They're in the private sector. How many employees are at the Clinton Foundation? 20, 30?

QUINN: No, no, there's more.

CAMEROTA: It's not about the entanglement.

LEWANDOWSKI: No, it is a pay-for-play opportunity at the Clinton Foundation, which continuously has been shown that they are taking the relationship...

QUINN: Wait.

LEWANDOWSKI: ... at pay-for-play and using it for the State Department. That's what they did time and time again.

QUINN: Time out for a second. Other people aside from his children, who seem to be -- you know, run business well. But there are other people in the world, even in the city of New York, who could run that business. The question is...

LEWANDOWSKI: Who?

QUINN: Alisyn -- Alisyn didn't say close down the Trump Organization. She just said have somebody else run it. So that is the point. LEWANDOWSKI: Outrageous. It's a family business. Why would you turn it over to anybody?

QUINN: But that -- but your point is also absurd that the only answer is to close the business down.

Two, we're talking -- we don't actually know all of the business entanglements. We don't know how to judge what's there or not. I can't tell you the comparison of the facts that are public about the "Newsweek" story, because not of all the business dealings have been made public.

CAMEROTA: But very quickly, I just want to clarify something. Kurt Eichenwald, I'm being told by my producers, said that George Bush ignored warnings before 9/11. Not that he was involved, but he ignored warnings.

QUINN: That's a fact.

LEWANDOWSKI: I don't know. Is that true or not?

QUINN: Yes, the 9/11 Commission found that.

CAMEROTA: It was sitting on his desk in the days beforehand.

LEWANDOWSKI: So I'm just saying that he makes the intimation, at least, that George W. Bush allowed this to happen.

QUINN: No, that's not the intimation.

LEWANDOWSKI: He has -- he has been a reporter who has failed to do his due diligence. He has a personal grudge against the Trump Organization.

QUINN: Attack the messenger. Attack the messenger.

LEWANDOWSKI: And he never fact checked this story before putting it out.

QUINN: That's what the Trump campaign does when they don't have AN answer. They ignore the question and attack the messenger, because there is real questions -- there are real questions here that should be answered, but Mr. Opaque won't give us...

CAMEROTA: Got to go.

LEWANDOWSKI: This is a businessman who continues to do business across the world.

CAMEROTA: Corey.

QUINN: And how will it affect America?

CAMEROTA: Thank you. Got to go. Thank you, both.

Let's get over to Chris. CUOMO: All righty, then. Donald Trump alone on the trail for one

more day. Hillary Clinton is still recuperating. We are told she's going to get back on there today or tomorrow. How will he capitalize in her absence? We're going to talk to a Trump supporter, Congressman Stephen King, about what he thinks about the child care plan, these allegations in "Newsweek" and the campaign. Good to have you, Congressman. See you in a second.

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[07:23:22] CUOMO: All right. A lot bubbling up in the campaign. We have some new policy from the Donald Trump campaign, something to compare with Clinton and with what Republicans usually want in the area of child care.

We also have new reporting about Donald Trump's business interests that may come as a surprise to our next guest.

Let's bring in Iowa Congressman Steve King. He has endorsed Donald Trump.

Congressman, thank you for joining us.

REP. STEVE KING (R), IOWA: Thank you.

CUOMO: Let's start off with child care. Let's put up the Trump plan. Some of the highlights, obviously. It's more involved than this.

Expand the eligible tax deductible on child care expenses; guarantee six week maternity leave, retool the federal savings accounts to cover child care and educational costs.

These are not things that the party have endorsed in the past. You were against the paid parental leave act of 2009, which tried to do some of this. Do you support Trump's plan?

KING: Well, on its face, there are parts of it that I want to dig in a little deeper and see how this all fits together, Chris.

Generally, listen, we have the Family Leave Act, which allows for six weeks of time off when a baby is born to an employee. I've been on both sides of that. We had babies born into my construction office before that act was passed and after. And it did change the relationship between myself and my employees.

But we've raised babies in my construction office. We've allowed our workers on occasion to work from home. And we encourage, encouraged mothers to have babies and have babies and raise them right. It's the best thing that can happen.

So I support -- I support the deductibility of the child care expenses, because that's -- it's the equivalent of a legitimate business expense. When you get to the point of, let's just say, borrowing money from China in order to pay somebody's babysitter, that's a different equation. And I think we've got to have a deeper debate about that. CUOMO: All right. So you're with some of it. You're against some of

it. How about how he says he's going to pay for it? In all your time in Congress, have you ever seen anything get paid for by taking waste and fraud out of any system?

KING: Well, I remember when I came here as a freshman a number of years ago, we were going to attack waste, fraud and abuse. That was the marching orders. And I recall at the time thinking, I've heard this before in the state senate.

So waste, fraud and abuse has long been a political target, but it's seldom -- in fact, Barack Obama said he found $500 billion in fraud in Medicare, and he was going to clean that all up. Well, he did cut Medicare, but I don't know that we found the fraud.

So no, I'm not that convinced that we can find enough fraud to pay for that. And if we could, we should have been using that to reduce our national debt.

CUOMO: So what do you say to Mr. Trump who says, "Not only am I going to add many billions of dollars to the budget by doing my plan, but I'll pay for it with waste, fraud and abuse"? What's your answer to that?

KING: Let's find the waste, fraud and abuse, Mr. Trump. And I'm happy to go to work on that.

But I think we need to look at this thing in the whole package. And I'd like to see and hear more discussion about how we get to balance. That's got to be the No. 1 thing, rather than expanding here. Let's get to balance.

But the proposal about supporting mothers and fathers...

CUOMO: Right.

KING: ... and families and encouraging more babies in this country, that is good. And anything he might do with this, I would encourage him to promote the expansion of families, because if we don't have more babies than we have funerals, we're going to end up like Europe; and we'll be in a situation where we're importing a culture that may be alien to the values of the American way of life.

CUOMO: Two quick things. So, you would suggest to Mr. Trump that you've never heard of a plan being paid for the way he's suggesting to pay for this one, true?

KING: Well, I've heard of a lot of plans that were going to be paid for.

CUOMO: But you've never seen it happen. All right. I just want to make that clear.

And the second one, when you say encourage families, more babies and all that, would you include the LGBT community in that in terms of families to encourage having kids and expanding them? Obviously, Mike Pence as the Indiana governor and running mate, may weigh in on that decision. Would you be open to this, meaning all families?

KING: I want to respect all people, but I want to promote the natural family, Chris. And I think that's the most wholesome thing that we can do.

CUOMO: What is the -- what's the natural family? What's the natural family in your opinion?

KING: Is a man and a woman joined together in holy matrimony, blessed by God with children.

CUOMO: But you do know that, even on a scientific level, we look at social research, they're finding out more and more that babies adopted into LGBT families are doing just as well, if not better, than what you call a natural family. What does that suggest to you?

KING: I think I'd need to look a little further into some of that research. And, you know, we got down the global warming argument and found out there was another side to that equation, too. So no, I'm not looking at that research. I would want to look at it.

And, as I say, I want to respect all human persons who are all gifts from God. But I want to encourage the natural family. That's the best and most wholesome way to raise a child; and that's been the case throughout thousands of years of human history. And I think we need to go with the things we know work.

CUOMO: Right. But what we know that what works is loving the kid, giving them the attention, giving them the time. There is no reason to believe that you have to have a man and a woman to do that. And if we can see anything with the breakdown of the family, the man and the woman thing has its own shortfalls, right? Look at the divorce rate. Look at single-parent families.

Look at all the destruction of children and family welfare in this country. It doesn't seem like a sure thing. Why not encourage anything that gets a child loved and provided for?

KING: Chris, I just don't think it's true that there's no reason to believe that a child needs a man and a woman to raise them. A child needs a father and a mother.

CUOMO: No, I didn't say there's no reason to believe it. I'm saying there's plenty of reason to believe it's not the only way it can be done well. That's what I'm saying.

KING: I say the evidence is very heavy on the other side of this thing. To have a role model as a man in the home, have a role model as a woman in the home, especially a role model of a father and a mother that -- that are joined together and working together in a team, that is the best way that we can hope that all children are raised.

And, so I'm not discouraging or disparaging anyone, but I'm suggesting we should put our energy into promoting the model that has worked; and that is the natural family. You can call it the nuclear family. That's what -- that's what the research that I see supports, and that's the human experience that we have for hundreds and hundreds of years.

CUOMO: I will send you some research. It's an important discussion to have. Let's end on one thing that's a little bit more close to the campaign. This "Newsweek" article that came out, do you know anything about Donald Trump's organization and its ties to foreign businesses?

KING: Well, very little. Just sketchy things.

CUOMO: Does it concern you? What's in this piece, when you take a look at it and your staffers digest it. If he has these kind of entanglements with foreign businesses and companies and countries, which would make perfect sense -- he's a global organization. Isn't that something you need to examine if this man is going to be the leader of the free world?

KING: I would say this. Not having examined this article, I would say we have learned by watching, especially the Clinton campaign and the Clinton family for several decades now, it's important to play your cards face up.