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NYPD: Man With A Meat Cleaver Slashes Officer's Face; Ohio Governor "Welcomes" Political Backlash; Jets Offense Dooms Bills, NY Wins 37-31; Trump Lets Jimmy Fallon Mess With His Hair. Aired 6:30-7a ET

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[06:30:06] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: The Justice Department reportedly set to launch a new plan to combat heroin and opioid addiction. "USA Today" reports Attorney General Loretta Lynch will direct federal prosecutors to share information about prescription drug abuses and to coordinate enforcement efforts.

For more on the five things to know, go to CNN.com for the latest.

Alisyn?

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Chris, you got to hear about this bloody attack on the streets of New York City.

The NYPD says that a man with a meat cleaver slashed an off-duty police officer in the face at the height of evening rush hour. They then responded by firing 18 rounds hitting the suspect several times.

CNN's Deb Feyerick joins us now.

What happened, Deb?

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESONDENT: Yes. Well, you know, this happened at a very, very busy time of day. Rush hour. It happened near Penn Station, Madison Square Garden.

Police responding to 911 calls. A man trying to forcibly remove a tire clamp from his tire. It appeared the man had been living in his vehicle while police started questioning him. Officials say that's when he pulled out an 11-inch meat cleaver and started running in the direction of Macy's.

While he refused to drop the weapon, a police taser failed to stop him. He ran, jumping on a police car, an NYPD detective who had been on his way home basically gets in his way, tries to subdue him, he slashed with the meat cleaver a six inch gash from his temple to his jaw and that's when police fired their weapons, 18 shots described by the police commissioner, as, quote, "sufficient to deter attacks on my officers".

Now, the man is identified as 32-year-old Akram Joudeh from Queens, New York. He does have a history of arrest including hitting a police car repeatedly with a pence post. He's in critical condition. The detective had surgery last night and law enforcement officials say there does not appear to be any nextism to terrorism. However, the NYPD not yet ruling anything out until the investigation is complete.

So, very bizarre, very frightening and clearly creating a lot of chaos in that entire area during rush hour last night.

CAMEROTA: You could see that. I mean, that aerial shot of all the standing around trying to figure out what happened in this terrifying situation.

FEYERICK: Yes, incredibly. Plus, a lot of iPhone video coming out of that because it was frightening for a lot of people.

CAMEROTA: Deb, thank you so much.

FEYERICK: Yes, of course.

CUOMO: All right. So, we're hearing from a former Republican presidential candidate, Ohio Governor John Kasich. Very important because Ohio is up for grabs and this interview is going to be about him and how he feels about the election and President Obama. He's meeting with the president today to help him pass the Trans Pacific Trade deal.

Here's a listen to the interview.

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DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: You are governor of a major state sitting down with the Democratic president two months before a election. You're not worried about the political backlash from that?

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R), OHIO: Oh, frankly, I welcome it.

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CUOMO: He says he's okay with putting country before party. Who is he going to vote for? He tells Dana Bash in her exclusive interview, next.

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[06:36:57] CUOMO: Big interview from somebody who matters. Former Republican presidential candidate, Ohio Governor John Kasich, says no matter what the political cost, he is determined to help President Obama get the TPP, the Trans Pacific Trade deal through Congress.

CAMEROTA: So, the Ohio governor meets with the president today and he insists he is not worried about any possible backlash for himself.

CNN's Dana Bash spoke exclusively with Governor Kasich. She joins us now from Washington.

Tell us about this, Dana. BASH: When I got the call from one of John Kasich's aides saying he

is coming to Washington with meet with the president to help him pass a trade deal, I thought I heard wrong at the beginning until I remembered that this is John Kasich, this was the premise of his entire presidential campaign. Even now that he has lost as the governor of a very important state, he is sticking by that idea.

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KASICH: I think this trade agreement is vital. I mean, if I said this, the two most vociferous opponents of the trade agreement are Vladimir Putin, and, Xi, one of the most repressive leaders in the history of China. That in and of itself should tell you why this agreement is really important.

BASH: You know for a while it's not just Vladimir Putin that opposes the TPP, it's your party nominee, the Republican nominee, Donald Trump, and also Hillary Clinton says she's not for it now.

KASICH: Yes, pretty amazing.

BASH: Why do you think you can do something with this president that the two people who want to be president oppose?

KASICH: Because I'm an optimist and I know that facts matter and I think the political heat that people get from supporting trade ideological supporter of free trade. When I look at it over time, I don't think -- I think it's a good choice for America to be able to make sure that we can move our products around the world.

I've been in a Republican Party all my adult lifetime. We've always been for openness and free trade. The fact is --

BASH: But that's changing.

KASICH: Well, I mean, that's changing maybe with some, OK? But I'm not prepared to walk away from that. It's worth fighting over.

BASH: You are a governor of a major state sitting down with the Democratic president two months before an election. You're not worried about the political backlash from that?

KASICH: Oh, frankly, I welcome it.

BASH: You welcome backlash.

KASICH: I welcome that people will criticize me for putting my country ahead of my party. It's time we start doing this in this country. We are not a parliamentary system and we were never taught to hate people because we might -- they may be in a different political party.

You know, when it comes to the president, he and I have a lot of disagreements, but there are areas where we can agree. And I can become somebody in the front that leads an effort for people to hear this and say maybe he's right. What would I do? Shrink? Go hide somewhere.

BASH: Trump points to his trade positions as one reason he'll win Ohio. That he disagrees with free trade.

KASICH: I don't think that's what he'll turn on. And, frankly, part of the problem that the Clinton campaign has is that there's literally no enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton.

[06:40:05] There just isn't right now. I don't know if that will change, but that is her challenge.

BASH: You obviously are not endorsing Donald Trump. You have made that clear. But it's not just that, the Kasich machine. The people who have worked for you successfully to get out the vote for your races in Ohio, they're not helping Donald Trump.

Is there concern that at the end of the day, if Donald Trump loses Ohio and loses the presidency, Republicans nationwide are going to turn to John Kasich and say, thanks a lot, and you're going to get blamed?

KASICH: Well, look, first of all, this vaunted Kasich machine, OK, that's not how you win elections. I mean, we're going to go and help people to get the vote obviously. Senator --

BASH: For Donald Trump?

KASICH: We'll get Republicans out to vote, period. But I don't, first of all, control any machine.

BASH: I'm not saying you control a machine. You understand very well how to get people out to vote.

KASICH: We want people out to vote. We want to re-elect Senator Portman and we want to re-elect people down ticket. And, frankly, you know, because --

BASH: So, you're going to be helping to get Republicans to the polls.

KASICH: Yes, yes.

BASH: And if that means voting for Donald Trump, so be it?

KASICH: Well, whatever they do. I wouldn't try to tell somebody, I don't get into an argument with somebody about how they ought to vote.

BASH: You've said you are not going to vote for Hillary Clinton.

KASICH: No, I'm not going to vote for Hillary.

BASH: Have you decided what you're going to do when you go into the voting booth?

KASICH: I will let everybody know when. I think my actions have spoken very loudly. Louder than even my word

BASH: Gary Johnson.

KASICH: I haven't even gone there yet. It's a long way until Election Day.

BASH: Is it still possible that you could vote for Donald Trump?

KASICH: Very unlikely.

BASH: OK.

KASICH: Too much water under the bridge.

BASH: What if Donald Trump wins? What if he becomes president?

KASICH: Well, we'll see what happens if that happens.

BASH: What would John Kasich --

KASICH: Well, I will still be governor for a couple more years and I'll still have my agenda and we have a very robust agenda in Ohio. And, you know, it depends on what they're interested in.

BASH: Could you see yourself sitting in the oval office with President Trump just like you are going to be with President Obama?

KASICH: Whoever is the president, if I can do something to help them in a constructive way and something I agree on -- absolutely.

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CAMEROTA: So, Dana, first of all, did you ask Kasich if he is ever going to run for president, again. We're interested in that. And if so, is he really not worried about any backlash about this?

BASH: He said that he is not closing the door to anything regarding a 2020. Again, he said actually 2020. So, it's a question of if Trump wins, whether or not he would actually primary him, but that's a lot of ifs down the road.

But, look, John Kasich is going to be out of the governor's mansion in a couple of years. He's term limited and he is working very, very hard for the down ticket Republicans. He talked about Senator Portman in Ohio. He's doing back in New Hampshire where he spent most of the primary season helping the senator up for re-election there, Kelly Ayotte. He is doing a lot of that kind of work.

He insists he's not doing it because he's sure he's going to run. But, come on, you know, he is. He is laying the groundwork for a potential run, again. And the answer to your question about backlash is he's doubling down on his brand. And that brand is, he's not the guy who is going to stop everything. He's the guy who, if he wins, will come to Washington, roll up his sleeves and get things done.

The question is, at some point whether there is an appetite for that because there wasn't in the primary season this year.

CAMEROTA: We sure hope there is at some point. Compromise is not a bad word.

Dana, thank you very much. Really interesting.

CUOMO: All right. You want some good news?

CAMEROTA: Yes.

CUOMO: The Jets win.

CAMEROTA: You're so happy.

CUOMO: New York football team right there in the screen looking like the '69 Jets in those Namath-esque uniforms. They made some history here, by the way. Your "Bleacher Report" is next.

Let's keep watching this. Oh, look, another teeter from Matt Forte. It means strong.

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[06:47:58] CUOMO: The Jets and the Bills squaring off last night in the first ever game broadcast live on Twitter.

Andy Scholes has more in this morning's "Bleacher Report".

I hope the story about this twitter history isn't overshadowed by e dominance, the aggression and excellence that is the New York Jets.

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Oh, don't worry, Chris. I'll give them plenty of props.

But it was pretty cool, right, to be able to open up your phone and pop up Twitter and have the game right there to be able to watch. You and along with all the other fans happy tweets about the game.

Ryan Fitzpatrick had the night's bounce back performance, going for 374 yards. This touchdown to Eric Decker. Hey, Jet's running back Matt Forte made his fantasy owners happy, rushing for 100 yards and three touchdowns as the Jets come to a big win in a high scoring affair, beating the Bills 37-31.

This game, the reason I only got two hours of sleep last night, my sixth ranked Houston Cougars playing at Cincinnati. They were down 16-12 before scoring 28 unanswered to blow out the Bear Cats. Heisman candidate right there ran in two scores in the fourth quarter. They went on to win 40-16. Hey, with an easy schedule the rest of the way, they could easily go undefeated this season. Go Cougs!

The Cubs they may have lost last night, but they got to celebrate their first division title since 2008 thanks to the Cardinals losing. So, Alisyn, the Cubs in the playoff looking for their first World Series championship since 1908.

CAMEROTA: Andy, thank you. That was great but not as good as the color commentary that Chris was acting out some of the moves while he was watching the Jets. It was really interesting here on the set as well. You're so excited.

CUOMO: They say those actual things on the field, oops, can't touch me. I'm elusive. That's what they say.

CAMEROTA: All right. You'll enjoy this, as well, for a late-night funny. Donald Trump's hair raising moment with Jimmy Fallon.

CUOMO: Men have died for less.

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[06:53:50] CAMEROTA: Donald Trump dropped by "Tonight Show" last night. Not only did Jimmy Fallon mock Trump's voice, he also messed up Trump's hair.

CUOMO: What?

CAMEROTA: Yes.

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JIMMY FALLON, THE TONIGHT SHOW: When you first started running, you were very high voice. Your voice was very high. China. You'd say China.

And very high and you'd talk and then you got into a stage where you were just yelling into the microphone at people, and you're yelling at everyone. And you don't even need the mike and now, you're more of like a smoky, silky.

Can I mess your hair up?

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: The answer is yes, but the people in New Hampshire where I will be in about an hour from now, I hope they're going to understand.

FALLON: You say yes?

TRUMP: Go ahead.

FALLON: Yes, Donald Trump, everybody!

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CAMEROTA: Oh, my gosh.

CUOMO: I wouldn't have let him do it, by the way.

CAMEROTA: Yes, you would.

CUOMO: The dignity. The man is running for president. I wouldn't let him mess up my hair.

CAMEROTA: I really can't believe. CUOMO: Hair is too much.

[06:55:01] CAMEROTA: I can't believe that he actually did let him do it. I am shocked by that. He looked very uncomfortable.

CUOMO: Maybe it shows he doesn't take himself as seriously or whatever, but I don't know. I'm almost two minds.

CAMEROTA: Let's discuss it with our CNN senior media correspondent who does not have this problem.

CUOMO: No risk.

CAMEROTA: "RELIABLE SOURCES" Ryan Stelter, as well as host of "Chris Gitbarh Show", writer and star of Chris Gethard: Career Suicide", Chris Gethard.

Great to have you here.

CHRIS GETHARD, HOST, "THE CHRIS GETHARD SHOW": Thanks for having me.

CAMEROTA: Chris, what was your interpretation of that hair moment?

GETHARD: I thought it made him look charming. But I will say, I love Jimmy Fallon. I mean no disrespect. It did make me miss David Letterman a lot. Didn't it make you miss --

CAMEROTA: Why?

GETHARD: Don't you feel like letterman had permission to look someone in the eye and say it's a bad idea for you to be president. Don't you feel like Letterman would have crashed and burned it on purpose just to say some divisive things?

CUOMO: Letterman is the one who introduced the notion to the American people that Trump's products weren't made in the United States. Trump did not handle that well.

We did see him handle this well. I'm being half serious. The guy is running for president of the United States and I would think twice of letting somebody mess up his hair but he thought it was important for what reason?

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: And I think this Donald Trump is the Donald Trump Hillary Clinton needs to be studying ahead of these debates ten days from today. This is the Donald Trump, it's not the caricature, it's not the nasty guy you see in these attack ads made by the Clinton campaign.

This is the personable, human, warm and fuzzy Donald Trump. At least to the extent that any candidate can be. This is the candidate that Clinton needs to study. I saw it on Dr. Oz yesterday and on Fallon last night. This is the warm and fuzzy Donald Trump.

CAMEROTA: Did he look wildly uncomfortable?

STELTER: But I thought that was part of the joke, part of the fun. I thought that was part of what made him so appealing.

CUOMO: Well, but you then have the idea of how he perceives himself, right, which is something we like to watch. But how that plays out on the larger stage?

That's what this birther situation is about. What will Trump do when tested and he doesn't like the outcome, but he has to do it anyway. So, you get to the idea of apologizing, which is part joke, part not. Take a listen.

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FALLON: You said on o show before that you never really apologized unless you really feel the need to apologize.

TRUMP: I don't love apologizing. I'm not, I'm not thrilled about apologizing, but I'll apologize if I'm wrong about something. Sure.

FALLON: Have you ever played the board game, sorry?

TRUMP: No, I sort of like Monopoly better than sorry.

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

STELTER: Good answer.

CUOMO: Great, great answer.

But, here's the problem, Chris. He won't apologize, you know? Again, often things come up in politics that are a metaphor or a test. The birther thing has been decided. We don't need anyone to weigh in or not. President Obama was born in the country, period. It was always true.

But his ability to apologize, if I'm wrong, I'll apologize. No, he won't.

So, how does that project out to an audience? What is the message that comes beyond the joke?

GETHARD: I think he does a good job here of making it seem likable, but also so funny to me that he, it's like he will say that the media goes after him about stuff like that and then the shows he goes on to explain himself are Dr. Oz and Jimmy Fallon, a show for known being very playful and goofy. It's so funny when he wants to explain his controversial opinions, he goes on shows that aren't known for controversy and/or asking the hardest questions. It's kind of a convenient way to handle your relationship with the negative things in your campaign.

CAMEROTA: Right. Turn it into a softball.

STELTER: He's not seeking journalistic outlets right now. You know, on Dr. Oz, the message was I have nothing to hide about my health. I have nothing to hide. How about "Shark Tank" next, how about the tax returns? He hands over the tax returns in primetime.

CAMEROTA: That is so great.

STELTER: Listen, it's not going to happen.

CUOMO: Especially with Mark Cuban, it's not going to happen.

STELTER: He's continuing to show his use of reality TV, which is working, but I don't think he's going to be on the returns. By the way, Clinton on "The Tonight Show" on Monday. Compare and contrast these two candidates with Fallon. Interesting to see how Clinton handles Fallon and how he treats her compared to Trump.

CAMEROTA: Guys, thank you very much. Nice to have a little levity here.

CUOMO: If I get "Shark Tank" info, I'll come back and let you know.

CAMEROTA: It's a great suggestion. Thanks so much, guys.

We're following a lot of news this morning. Donald Trump, birther no more? We'll wait until we hear him say it. Let's get to it.

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TRUMP: Our jobs have been taken away from us. They've gone to Mexico.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: My opponent has America all wrong.

TRUMP: It's time to take care of our people and our workers.

CLINTON: He did it, again. Where was President Obama born? He still wouldn't say Hawaii.

GOV. MIKE PENCE (R), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're just not talking about that issue.

CLINTON: When will he stop this ugliness, this bigotry?

DISPATCHER: 911, what is your emergency?

CUOMO: A woman stranded in an a abandoned house in Ohio begging to be rescued.

CALLER: I've been abducted.

DISPATCHER: Does he have a weapon?

CALLER: Please hurry.

ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.

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