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Protests Erupt in Charlotte After Police Shooting; Angelina Jolie Files for Divorce from Brad Pitt; Patriots' Hope Rest on 3rd- String QB; Candidates Fight to the Finish in Pennsylvania. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired September 21, 2016 - 06:30   ET

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: All right. We're following breaking news in Charlotte. Protesters and riots breaking out all over different streets and interstates there, fires being lit because of another police shooting.

[06:30:03] A black man killed by police. They say he was armed. The facts are still early on that and the situation in general. You'll see on your screen what has been taking place ever since word got out.

Now, what are we hearing from the people who want to be president? Donald Trump, nothing. From Hillary Clinton, she was talking a lot about Tulsa. She was out there before Charlotte happened. So, in fairness to both, Charlotte wasn't on the table yet but she called Tulsa unbearable and intolerable.

What are we going to hear today? What is the right way for leaders to deal with something like this?

We've got CNN political analyst and presidential campaign correspondent, Maggie Haberman, and we have CNN political commentator and political anchor of Time Warner Cable News, Errol Louis, and "Washington Post" reporter, David Fahrenthold.

Now, David, we're going to come to you especially when we start talking about the Trump Foundation. You have new reporting on that for us as well.

So, Errol, there is no good situation when you're getting into racial tension and another shooting and the facts are light. But leadership is demanded. What is your take on the two responses?

ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, the two responses are going to continue as we've seen, which is that, and if you go back to the convention the framework was really laid, where you see at the Democratic convention, you see Hillary Clinton talking about, and they put on the stage Mothers of the Movement, other people who have been in this kind of situations. Hillary Clinton has been frequently commenting on it. She's been eloquent. She's playing to the political base.

It's an issue that she cares about. It's an issue that she's been branded with from literally day one of her campaign. For Donald Trump, it has gone in a different direction. If you

remember, they had not just people on stage at the Republican convention saying blue lives matter, but denouncing Black Lives Matter and to the extent he chooses to do that, he's going to have to do it very carefully or not at all. I think that explains some of the silence.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Now, let's listen to exactly what Hillary Clinton said. She responded to one of these police shootings. Listen to this.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: This horrible shooting, again, how many times do we have to see this in our country? In Tulsa. An unarmed man with his hands in the air. I mean, this is just unbearable and it needs to be intolerable. And, so, you know, maybe I can by speaking directly to white people say, look, this is not who we are.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: So, her tone was more fired up than we often hear her. Her words, though, I mean speaking to white people to say, this is not who we are -- I think white people know, this is not who we are. What did you think about her messaging there politically?

MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I mean, I think that Errol is right that I think this comes down in crude politics to a calculation that both candidates are making, and in the case of Hillary Clinton, demographically, she needs President Obama's coalition to come out and support here and she needs to round up large margins among black voters.

I mean, she is saying something that is lines. Donald Trump has used that to say she is speaking against police officers. She is speaking against you.

But Donald Trump has to be careful when he addresses this. He is going to be in Ohio today, which is a state that has very large black communities. He has been making overtures that are supposed to be aimed at black voters.

They are -- whether they are or not, I think that in some cases, they are aimed at mollifying moderate white voters. But he has to be careful because he also can't have his numbers too low. And so, we're going to see how this balance plays out, particularly as we get into the first debate next week.

CUOMO: One more beat on this, you are rightly analyzing the situation in terms of what the politics are. But shouldn't there also be a nod towards the realities of the situation and that playing politics isn't always the right move.

This country is in a bad way when these situations come up. It is seen exclusively along racial lines. You'll have people who, you know, to awkwardly dub them as blue lives matter, everybody should believe that the blue lives matter, that the cops matter. They're keeping us all safe.

But they will ignore facts and say this person didn't listen. So, you know that there is a cleavage going on here right now. Should they tread lightly as politicians before you know everything you need to know? Before the justice system has come into play, as long as it is in play? Should they say less?

LOUIS: Well, this -- you're talking about something that is almost utopian seven weeks before an important election like this. There are a number of policy prescriptions that they should be talking about and should be and a number of different cultural questions that are lurking in the background and they should address if anybody wants to get around to them.

But that's just not going to happen. Realistically, there's too much on the line. They had opportunities to deal with these issues before. We had civil unrest. You know, 25 years ago in the Rodney King case, it was a devastating tragedy.

So, yes, they should say less or perhaps even nothing at all. Better still would be to sort of actually work through these issues as difficult as they are.

CUOMO: Put up money for use of force training and put up money for community policing.

[06:35:00] LOUIS: Simple database just to keep track of these killings. It still doesn't exist at the federal level.

CAMEROTA: OK. David, we want to turn to your new reporting about the Trump Foundation. What you have found is that the Trump Foundation has paid more than a quarter million dollars from the charitable foundation to settle lawsuits against Trump's businesses. So, crossing the line from charity to business in terms of paying off some lawsuits. Isn't that illegal?

DAVID FAHRENTHOLD, THE WASHINGTON POST: Well, the tax law says that if you run a charity, as Donald Trump does, you can't take the money out of your charity and use it to buy things for yourself or to help your own business. It's called self-dealing and it's against the law.

The people we talk to, the tax experts we talk to about these cases where Trump used money out of his charity to basically pay off the obligations that his businesses had taken on, said these are some of the most blatant and sort of classic examples of self-dealing they have ever seen.

CAMEROTA: And yet, David, it's complicated because what he did was he used the money from his charity to pay other charities as part of the deal. He actually didn't pay it to a business or put it in someone's pocket, he paid it to a charity. So, is that a loophole that avoids the illegality?

FAHRENTHOLD: It's not. In this case, Trump's businesses were in legal disputes. In one case, they faced a lawsuit from a customer and in another case, they faced $125,000 in fines from the city of Palm Beach. In both cases, to resolve these legal trouble, the businesses themselves took on the responsibility and said we will donate x amount of money to charity.

So, instead of having the business donate to charity, they had the Donald Trump Foundation donate to charity. So, effectively as if Donald Trump's foundation gave that money to this businesses, he save the business that amount of money.

CUOMO: So, is the simple analysis here that it's not who they give the money to, it's why the money was coming out of the foundation. And if the money was coming out to benefit Trump, you know, where he gets the picture of himself or he gets to allay the fine, then that's not how the foundation was supposed to be used and it's against the law.

FAHRENTHOLD: Right. The foundation is not just another pocket of money for Donald Trump to take money out of, and spend them whatever he wants or give to whoever he wants. It's its own thing. The money has to be used for the foundation. If you're instead using it to save your business money, in this case, more than a quarter of a million dollars, that's not how it's supposed to work.

CAMEROTA: Maggie, very quickly, does this have a big impact on the campaign?

HABERMAN: I mean, I think that it appears to be exactly what Donald Trump has accused the Clintons of doing, except this is more clear cut, number one. And number two, he could answer these questions, they didn't answer a bunch of David's questions for excellent story. He could resolve this by releasing his tax returns and showing what he has given to charity, but he's neglected to do that so far.

CUOMO: Or as we were tweeting this morning, put out the audit letter.

HABERMAN: Right.

CUOMO: I get them. You get it from the IRS. It says we want to see this, this and this.

CAMEROTA: I haven't been that fortunate yet.

CUOMO: Put out the letter and then we'll know there's really an audit.

CAMEROTA: That is just to start with.

Panel, thank you very much.

OK. It was the Hollywood romance that was supposed to last forever. Was it? But Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are divorcing, Chris. What went wrong?

CUOMO: Marriage is hard.

CAMEROTA: If these two can't make it, who can?

CUOMO: We can make it.

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[06:41:57] CAMEROTA: OK. Breaking news: Brangelina is over. Angelina Jolie filing for divorce from Brad Pitt. The Hollywood A- listers were the ultimate power couple for more than 10 years. They were married for the last two of those. What went wrong?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GEORGE CLOONEY, ACTOR: I didn't know that.

CAMEROTA (voice-over): Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt's divorce announcement even catching close friend George Clooney by surprise.

CLOONEY: I feel very sorry to hear that. It's first I've heard of it.

CAMEROTA: Jolie citing irreconcilable differences in divorce documents filed against Pitt. According to her attorney, it was a decision she made for the health of the family.

Jolie seeking physical custody of all six of their children. Pitt saying in a statement he's, quote, "very saddened by the divorce," but what matters most now is the wellbeing of their kids.

BRAD PITT, ACTOR: It means something. It's not just a piece of paper.

CAMEROTA: Married in 2014 after more than a decade together, the movie stars rarely share the spotlight lately.

ANGELINA JOLIE PITT, ACTRESS: Like everybody, we have our challenges but we're fighting to make it great.

CAMEROTA: But spoke out publicly about Jolie's multiple surgeries to guard against cancer.

PITT: Whatever has to be done to keep the family together and keep the family together as long as possible is going to be done.

JOLIE: I knew through the surgeries that he was on my side.

CAMEROTA: At the time, Angelina was also promoting "By the Sea", a movie they starred in together, written and directed by Jolie about a troubled marriage.

JOLIE: If it was close to us at all, we could never make this film. It's because we're actually very, very stable and these aren't our issues.

CAMEROTA: That movie was the couple's second collaboration 2004's "Mr. & Mrs. Smith", where they first met. That was while Pitt was married to actress Jennifer Aniston, marking the beginning of their 12-year relationship.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CAMEROTA: Your thoughts, Chris Cuomo?

CUOMO: All right. We all know that my baseline on these is, I don't care. I don't. I'm sorry.

I know that culturally they're relevant. I get it. I get Brangelina. I get. I don't care about their marriage. I just don't. I just don't. I'm sorry.

I wish their kids well. I wish everybody well.

CAMEROTA: I do, too. Obviously, the family, right to think about their family. I just like looking at them. I don't need to hear from them that often, but I do just like looking at them together.

CUOMO: There's too much other stuff to talk about. Let their marriage go the way it goes.

CAMEROTA: OK, let's do that.

CUOMO: So, although this isn't the greatest segue, you know, we have a lot of serious problems in the world but there is also football and we have the "Bleacher Report" this morning.

Did you tell them about the book I gave you this morning?

CAMEROTA: I do like that, how to speak football. Thank you.

CUOMO: Yes. So, now, this --

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[06:48:02] CUOMO: I'm not sure how much of a real controversy this is, but the New England Patriots have a problem at quarterback. Their big shot Brady, he is still on the hook for a suspension. The guy who's supposed to come in for him got hurt.

So, now, they're down to third string.

Coy Wire has more in this morning's "Bleacher Report".

It strains my objectivity to care about the Patriots, but what do you have?

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's right, Chris. I'm proud of you.

Jacoby Brissett, who is this guy? He's going to get his first NFL start after Tom Brady's backup Jimmy Garoppolo goes down with a shoulder injury in the last game. So, Brissett relatively unknown to the football fans outside of the Atlantic Coast Conference in college football. He's thrust into the game last Sunday. This guy started his career at the University of Florida and then

transferred to North Carolina State. He's been like a journeyman. So, the Pats go from quite possibly the greatest quarterback of all time in Brady to their stud backup in Garoppolo, now to a guy who might not even be on the roster when Brady eventually returns from that deflategate suspension.

But the Patriots are patrioting. They are 2-0 to start the season because Pats coach Belichick is all about that action. One thing he is not about is answering these questions about the injuries to his players. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL BELICHIK, PATRIOTS HEAD COACH: I'm not a doctor. The medical staff is the medical staff. I coach the team. Medical people handle the injuries. They don't call plays. I don't do surgery. We have a great deal there. It works out good.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CUOMO: Dare any reporter to ask him another question about the injuries.

Have you see this, "Bleacher Report" fake Brady mask traveling around the country while the real Tom Brady sits at home. Super realistic, super creepy. It's definitely on our John Berman Christmas list.

But fans got a special surprise last Sunday when the man behind the mask was no one other than Pats legend Wes Welker. Who's next? What's next? This thing is giving me a creepy, scary dreams at night, Alyson, being a former Bills player who had to play these guys twice a season.

[06:50:07] We need no more Tom Bradys in the world.

CAMEROTA: I wish I could unsee that, Coy. Thanks a lot.

WIRE: You're welcome.

CAMEROTA: OK, great to see you.

All right. Angry protests last night after the fatal shooting of a black man in North Carolina. This comes after an unarmed black man was shot dead in Tulsa. We will have an exclusive from the family from the Tulsa case, next.

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CAMEROTA: Just 48 days until Election Day. So, this week, we're giving you a ground level look at the race in critical battleground states.

Today, Pennsylvania where recent polling has Hillary Clinton in the lead, but the state is still very much in play for Donald Trump.

National correspondent Miguel Marquez has more from the front lines in Philly.

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[06:55:05] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm expecting a huge turnout in November and we're going to have Donald Trump and we're going to make America great again. Thank you.

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Pennsylvania Republicans counting on enthusiasm.

PETE BECKLEY, TRUMP VOLUNTEER: You want to knock on that door. I'll knock on 722.

MARQUEZ: In an uphill battle to turn this blue collar state red in November.

BECKLEY: It wasn't won by Republicans for the last few presidential elections. We think Trump's going to win this state.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you going to vote for Donald Trump?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Probably, it's the only choice.

MARQUEZ: The last time Pennsylvania went Republican, 1988. The latest poll shows Clinton ahead in the states. But with exceptionally tight races in Ohio and Florida, Republicans here sense momentum.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If Donald Trump wins Pennsylvania, he wins the presidency. Here's why: Pennsylvania is more Democratic than both Florida and Ohio.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Thank you. Whoa!

MARQUEZ: If he wins here, he wins there. Trump running strong in rural Pennsylvania, but needs support in vote rich Philadelphia and its suburbs where a third of the state's voters live.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You cannot lose the Philadelphia suburbs. Not only are we talking about a large number of votes, but we're talking about the largest pool of swing voters.

TRUMP: Child care is such a big problem.

MARQUEZ: Trump announced his child care initiative appealing to swing voters, women and moderates in those Philly suburbs.

TRUMP: We're going to solve that problem.

MARQUEZ: He and his running mate, Mike Pence, have already been to the state nine times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello, Philly!

MARQUEZ: Democrats, too, have descended on the Keystone State, fighting to keep their electoral votes in their column.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: So, let's go out! Let's make our case!

MARQUEZ: Clinton and Tim Kaine have been here 11 times and that's not including the Democratic convention held here in July.

Her most powerful surrogate, President Obama, made his first solo campaign on behalf of Clinton right here in Philly.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I need you to work as hard for Hillary as you did for me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Thank you all so much for coming out to help out with our 2:00 p.m. shift.

MARQUEZ: Voter registration in July and August ahead of 2008, a banner year. So far this year, Democrats have registered 418,000 new voters to Republicans 321,000. For both candidates, turnout critical.

CLINTON: If I'm in the White House young people will always have a seat at any table where any decision is being made.

MARQUEZ: Clinton seeking support from younger voters. Many still burned out from a primary in which their guy didn't win.

Jordyn Tannenbaum was a Bernie Sanders delegate. Like many, she says fear of a Trump presidency is a bigger motivation than love for Clinton.

JORDYN TANNENBAUM, CLINTON VOLUNTEER: It's not an election that it's OK to sit out. You know, you can't -- protest votes aren't going to do much this election. It's too risky.

ANDREW CHANG, CLINTON VOLUNTEER: But it's our job to talk to them about why they feel that way and hopefully change that into positive energy.

AD ANNOUNCER: How do we make the economy work for everyone?

MARQUEZ: And the ad wars have finally come to Pennsylvania. Clinton has spent nearly $12 million in the state, her latest ad -- focus on jobs s and the economy.

AD ANNOUNCER: Donald Trump's America is secure.

MARQUEZ: Donald Trump, after spending zero through August on TV advertising has spent nearly $3 million on ads, focusing on immigration and security.

Voter registration here ends October 11th. With no early voting in Pennsylvania, it will be a raise to Election Day.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CUOMO: Important there to note. No early voting in Pennsylvania. So, they're going to be able to fight all the way through.

We're going to continue our battleground series tomorrow with a look at Ohio -- the critical role that the Buckeye State is going to play in this election.

We have a lot of news. Violence and unrest after another deadly police shooting. There are new details. Let's get to it.

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

CAMEROTA: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to NEW DAY.

We do begin with breaking news for you. Violent protests erupting in Charlotte, North Carolina, after police shoot and kill a black man who they say had a gun. Demonstrators taking to a major interstate as you can see here, looting tractor trailers and setting a fire. Police deploying tear gas as some damage police cruisers.

CUOMO: There were protesters. There were also rioters going on there last night. At least a dozen police officers are hurt. As a result, we're waiting to hear from Charlotte officials out the violence.

The unrest comes just hours after another demonstration. This one in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Same reason. Police there releasing video, however. No video yet in the Charlotte situation.

The man that you see on your screen in white, apparently, unarmed, hands over his head keeps making his way back towards his vehicle. Why? And why did the police have to use deadly force?

We have it all covered.