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Second Night of Violent Protests in Charlotte; Tulsa Protests Stay Peaceful after Deadly Shooting; Clinton, Trump Respond to Police Shootings. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired September 22, 2016 - 06:00   ET

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Thursday, September 22, 6 a.m. in the east. We do have some breaking news for you.

[05:58:21] A second night of violence protests erupting in Charlotte as anger builds over the deadly police shooting of a black man. North Carolina's governor declaring a state of emergency. This chaos is in the city's business district, protesters clashing with police, who used tear gas to try to break up the crowds.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: It started as protesting, but it's not that anymore, when people are shot and assaulted, and businesses and hotels are vandalized. At least one person critically wounded, shot by another civilian. Four officers also hurt in the melee.

The big question this morning is why won't officials release video that could put to rest the wildly different accounts of what led police to shoot and kill Keith Lamont Scott?

We have every angle covered. Let's begin with CNN's Nick Valencia, live in downtown Charlotte. Quiet now; wasn't overnight.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris.

We are outside one of those business that was targeted by looters last night. What began as a peaceful protest and quickly escalated into much worse. And while demonstrators have dispersed for now, police anticipate another round of protests later tonight.

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VALENCIA (voice-over): Overnight a state of emergency declared in Charlotte. The governor deploys the National Guard.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY (R), NORTH CAROLINA (via phone): We cannot tolerate violence. We cannot tolerate the destruction of property and will not tolerate the attacks towards our police officers.

VALENCIA: Violet protests erupt for a second night. In the chaos, a man lays [SIC] bleeding on the ground from his head. Authorities say one person was shot by another civilian outside the city's Omni Hotel. That person is on life support and in critical condition. Police descend on demonstrators in riot gear, firing flash grenades

and deploying tear gas to disperse crowds. CNN's Boris Sanchez in the middle of the intense scene.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Whoa! OK. They clearly want us out of here.

VALENCIA: CNN's Ed Lavandera also caught in the fray.

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's OK. It's OK.

VALENCIA: Knocked over by a protester while reporting on live TV. The protester later apologized.

LAVANDERA: Someone taking out their frustrations on me.

VALENCIA: Police confirmed several police officers suffered injuries.

Charlotte officials say if unrest continues, they'll explore, quote, "other options," including curfews to keep people off the streets.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are working very hard to bring peace and calm back to our city. We know that this is not who Charlotte is. This is not who we are.

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VALENCIA: Adding to the anger is what demonstrators say is a lack of transparency. Police body cam footage and dash cam footage has not been released, fueling speculation as to what really happened -- Chris.

CUOMO: And that is the speculation that's of greatest concern. Nick, thank you very much.

Charlotte's police chief has vowed transparency in the Keith Lamont Scott shooting death investigation. But you have these two wildly different accounts of what happened that are emerging as calls grow louder for police to release the video of the deadly encounter and put it to rest. Why won't they do it?

CNN's Polo Sandoval has more.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They said he had a gun. Somebody said he had a book. We need to do our own independent investigation to see if that is actually true.

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Two very different accounts emerging about what led police to fatally shoot Keith Lamar Scott in the parking lot of his apartment complex. Police say that Scott had a gun when he was confronted by Officer Brentley Vinson.

CHIEF KERR PUTNEY, CHARLOTTE-MECKLENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT: Mr. Scott, as I said, exited his vehicle armed with a handgun as the officers continued to yell at him to drop it. He stepped out, posing a threat to the officers, and Officer Brentley Vinson subsequently fired his weapon, striking the suspect.

SANDOVAL: But Scott's daughter insists her father did not have a gun, alleging that, if he did, police planted it. Moments after the shooting she offers her account in an emotional Facebook live stream.

LYRIC SCOTT, DAUGHTER OF KEITH LAMONT SCOTT: You can't even do (EXPLETIVE DELETED). My (EXPLETIVE DELETED) daddy is definitely disabled. What (EXPLETIVE DELETED) gun he had, he in the damn car reading a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) book. You all (EXPLETIVE DELETED) run up on him because he black.

SANDOVAL: Charlotte police have not released the video, but maintain that the evidence recovered at the scene proves their story.

PUTNEY: A weapon was seized. A handgun. I can also tell you we did not find a book that has been made reference to.

SANDOVAL: These conflicting accounts offering little comfort to Scott's wife. She issued a statement late Friday night, asserting, quote, "After listening to remarks made by Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Putney today, we have more questions than answers about Keith's death. Rest assured, we will work diligently to get answers to our questions as quickly as possible."

The ACLU has called for Charlotte police to release the officer's video despite a new law that the city says prohibits them from releasing it. But the new law doesn't go into effect for another week. Charlotte's mayor telling CNN last night she will review the video today.

MAYOR JENNIFER ROBERTS (D), CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA: There are different perspectives and different videos. There are a couple different body cameras. There were some dash cameras. There may be some community videos.

We want to have clear, irrefutable evidence. We're working very hard to make that accessible.

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CUOMO: All right, here's the problem. You don't have to work that hard to make evidence accessible, because it is accessible. And you have a case right now where you have two very different accounts of what happened. Police say Keith Scott had a gun and defied orders. His family says he was reading a book. That's a big difference.

Let's discuss this with law enforcement trainer and former NYPD Sergeant Joe Giacalone.

Joe, thank you for joining us about this. I hate that it's always for situations like this. But we need your perspective.

Facts matter. OK? The riots that were going on last night, everybody knows they're wrong. They are a violent response to injustice. It's misdirected; it's wrong. It's not productive. We understand that.

JOE GIACALONE, FORMER NYPD SERGEANT: Yes.

CUOMO: But the video could make a big difference here to establish what it was and what it wasn't. Look at the difference with Tulsa. Charlotte's a different place. They've had more police shootings. They've had a more troubled past with policing. But what do you think?

GIACALONE: Yes. I mean, we've got to get these videos out there. This is something that the public wants. They want this transparency, and I want it, too. And if it could have changed the narrative from the very beginning and gotten out in front of this. And I think this is where the police department not only did we see in Charlotte, but we've seen it in other places. They have failed to get out in front of these stories. They've let social media control the narrative, and then people start filling in the blanks. And when you start filling in the blanks, people then think that the police are making this up by now.

[06:05:08] CUOMO: Locality by locality is how you have to judge. You don't want to generalize, but is it fair to say that there is a resistance to video? There is a resistance to body cameras by some on the job?

GIACALONE: Absolutely. I mean, police departments are always very difficult to change. It is a -- it's like a silo. They get stuck in their own, you know, thinking; and then they don't want to change. These things do cost a lot of money, too. And we seem to do these things like kind of, you know, half. Like, we put out half the body cameras. Not every cop has one. And it always seems to be that the police officer who gets involved in a shooting doesn't have one on, which then starts asking further questions. Like, you know, did he really not have a body camera? I mean, these are the problems that the police departments face.

CUOMO: Now, one of the complications in the analysis in North Carolina is there was a law passed by a controversial governor, McCrory. The state legislature passed this law that says you don't release the video. It's for internal review. But that law doesn't take effect until October 1, so they have a window of opportunity here.

Why would you have a law that doesn't allow for the disclosure of it?

GIACALONE: It doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, we have to get this information out there. That's why we have the body cameras. It's supposed to be about transparency. It's supposed to be about accountability. And then we still, you know, hide behind these other rules and regulations.

And I don't understand what the governor is actually trying to do there.

CUOMO: Marc Lamont Hill has just joined us. It's good to see you, Professor, as always. So we're talking about the video and how it could make a difference. And we were setting the stage.

North Carolina is different than Oklahoma. They have a different past. They've had more shootings. They've had a more troubled policing relationship that we know about. But that video in Oklahoma is allowing everybody to have their own take on what's being told to them. You do have this problem about before the video.

MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN COMMENTATOR: Always, yes.

CUOMO: When the police officer who shot didn't turn on her dash cam, didn't have the body cam. So there is gray area there. But should they release the video here. Do you think that would change what we're seeing in the streets?

HILL: Absolutely. Because people would be able to once again make a decision. If it looks awful, people could say, "Hey, this is not a good shoot. This doesn't look good. This doesn't look like what we need to see. Or people would kind of stand down. We've seen this before where video comes out, evidence comes out and we realize, "Hey, this isn't the one to protest." Other times we have a different take.

CUOMO: Or just show it to the family. Right? Bring the family in. Because, you know, obviously -- and it's hard to judge emotion in the moment. You know, when the family member came out, she was very angry. She said what she said. It was incendiary.

HILL: Yes.

CUOMO: You bring her in. You bring the family in. They see it. Now they can come out, at least, and say, "Hey, this was our loved one who was taken. We saw it. We understand." You know, something.

HILL: Right. And that's been the case. I've been doing this for many years as an activist, and oftentimes, we'll be ready to protest and then we get more evidence. We sit with the family. And sometimes a similar case: the family is outraged until they see the video and the we kind of -- again, we stand down. It doesn't mean we agree with everything that happened, But we don't form a mass protest around it, but it's always when the police are transparent that we're able to do something different.

What's happening now, though, and to your point, it's a structural issue. Right? They can't release certain information.

CUOMO: Well, they can.

HILL: Right.

CUOMO: That law doesn't go into effect until October. So You have a little window.

But it also sheds light on a problem here that people like to ignore, which is this is a state and local issue. They can pass the laws that they like. The federal government can't just wave a wand and say...

HILL: Right. CUOMO: ... "Everybody will have cameras. Everybody" -- it doesn't work like that. So, this guy, this legislature in North Carolina, passed a law, saying, "You don't get to see it."

HILL: Right.

CUOMO: It's only for internal review. How does that help transparency?

HILL: It doesn't help transparency. But not every legislature, not every locale is interested in transparency in the same way. It's a much more pro-police position than to say we need full transparency as immediately as possible.

CUOMO: A lot of cops want the video, also. So they can show their side.

HILL: Absolutely.

CUOMO: I have people, you know, a lot of friends on the job who say, "Hey, I'd love it. I'd love to not have to deal with somebody saying that I grabbed him. I did this. I did that." But here that's not what we're seeing.

HILL: No. I mean, I know many police officers who say, "Hey, we want body cameras for the very same reason. Because we believe we're doing the right thing," even if I disagree with them sometimes. "We believe we're doing the right thing. And so I want the world to see it."

The fact that there's no transparency, the fact that nothing is being released is helping to fuel what we're seeing in the streets. People have a reason not to trust police given what has happened locally and nationally. We can no longer assume police deserve the benefit of the doubt.

CUOMO: Well, in cases where there isn't transparency...

HILL: That's what I'm saying.

CUOMO: ... that's what needs to be repaired. Because you go into it with a set of assumptions. And one of the assumptions here that we're hearing bubble up -- and it's not uncommon -- is do you know about this guy's past? Do you know about this guy's past?

Legally, there's a reason why it's hard to bring evidence of past bad acts or even criminal records into a trial, because it seems highly prejudicial unless that cop knew that person, knew their past and was reacting on the basis of that.

What do you make of it as a baseline analysis for cops that, hey, you should know what kind of guy this is?

GIACALONE: Well, you know, first of all, as a police officer, you don't know who you're dealing with at that time. They don't come with a rap sheet attached to their chest when you're doing this stuff. So you know, listen, every police officer has to treat people with

respect. You have to be able to engage and communicate; and you have to be able to use good tactics.

[06:10:04] Some of the things that we saw, like in Tulsa, I mean, the tactics looked terrible. We don't know exactly what happened here in...

CUOMO: They did look terrible to you?

GIACALONE: Yes.

CUOMO: Because the naive people, you know, like me, will say, "Why didn't you run up and tackle this guy?" You had all these guys here. You had one guy who thought a Taser was more appropriate. Is the training staggered so you don't go right to, "Oh, he's not listening. Let me draw my weapon"?

GIACALONE: Well, I mean, here's an example where isolate and contain, cover and concealment. It gives you that extra second for you to shoot or don't shoot.

CUOMO: Isolate and what?

GIACALONE: Isolate and contain.

CUOMO: Isolate and contain.

GIACALONE: When you're in the middle...

CUOMO: And what's the next part?

GIACALONE: Cover and concealment. Take cover. You know, whether it's behind the van, behind your patrol car. You know, you keep on going. He's not listening. He's walking back to his car. I mean, at that point you're going to have to back off.

This is the problem that we have now, because if he is reaching into the car or window, whatever, he could have a gun. Right? That's what the -- that's what the narrative is going to be.

But here is an example where, you know, if you just would have backed off and given yourself that extra second behind a police door, behind the back of the car, this shooting could have been avoided.

I also look at the Tamir Rice case.

HILL: Right.

GIACALONE: It's the same thing.

HILL: No cover and concealment.

GIACALONE: They drove right up on him.

HILL: Jumped out and shot him. That's what I'm saying. GIACALONE: They drove right up on him. They didn't give themselves...

CUOMO: Training.

GIACALONE: ... an extra chance to say, you know?

CUOMO: Training and mindset. You know, you have to train the head, but you also have train the heart. Marc, thank you for jumping in here. Appreciate it.

HILL: Thank you.

CUOMO: Joe, as always.

Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK, Chris.

Joining us from Charlotte is the president of the NAACP, Charlotte- Mecklenburg branch, Minister Corinne Mack.

Minister Mack, thanks so much for being with us this morning. I see that you're there on the street, the location that was the scene of so much violence last night. Who do you blame for the violence in Charlotte?

MINISTER CORINNE MACK, PRESIDENT, NAACP, CHARLOTTE-MECKLENBURG BRANCH: First, thank you for having me. It's hard to put the blame on one group of people. I think that it took a collective for these events to happen. At the end of the day, I think that many African-Americans in particular have been just disgusted. Sick and tired of being sick and tired of having African-Americans killed one after another at the hand of police and not having anyone held accountable for it.

And some of the young people just are responding to that.

CAMEROTA: Yes. Governor Cory has declared a state of emergency for Charlotte, meaning that the National Guard can be deployed. What are you calling for to quell the violence there?

MACK: I'm calling for, first of all, some accountability on police behalf. I think that it's important that whenever there is an incident such as Mr. Scott's death that immediately there's an action taken against the police department who is not wearing their body cam, who continually shoot folk without the escalation.

It's interesting for us that many times when police have encounters with our white sisters or brothers, they end up going -- going home. Yes, they may be arrested, but they end up going home alive.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

MACK: Our people don't do that. Immediately, we find out that someone has been killed at the hands of a cop. And the escalation is not for, you know, one citizen; it's for all citizens. CAMEROTA: Yes. We've heard that. So, so many people have drawn the

contrast between the suspected terrorist here in New York and New Jersey, who was in an actual gun battle with police. He survived and was taken to the hospital. And then there are these situations in Tulsa and Charlotte where no gun battle and the person is dead.

But I want to talk to you, Minister, about these conflicting reports. Because, as you know, the police say that Keith Scott had a gun and that he didn't comply and that they asked him several times to drop the gun and he didn't drop the gun. If that, in fact, was the scenario, does that change your thinking about what happened here?

MACK: My thinking has not changed. I think that the police department rushes to judgment. I think the African-Americans many times are demonized when, in fact, they're the victim. And I think that we need to all step back and wait for a complete investigation to really know what happened.

I'm really concerned about the fact that Mr. Scott, who had every single day sat at the bus stop and waited for his son. And, in fact, he waited for other children when the single parents were not able to pick them up. This was something he did daily. It was known.

And all of a sudden the man who normally sits in the car waiting for his son with a book now has a gun and not a book? It doesn't make any sense to us.

CAMEROTA: Yes, I...

MACK: But I'm open to whatever the final outcome is once the investigation has been finalized.

CAMEROTA: Look, police say that they found a gun at the scene. They did not find a book at the scene. But do you not believe them?

MACK: I can't at this point. I would love to because we had a great relationship here in Charlotte. But too often we find now that there's been some fabrications, that there's been some incidents that were not quite factual.

And, so, I am very concerned when things don't seem to line up. That doesn't mean that it's not true. I just need someone to prove it to me.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

[06:15:12] MACK: And I think that we have been too quick to make statements that, as I said before, demonized Mr. Scott, and that concerns me.

CAMEROTA: Minister, there were three -- three of the responding officers were wearing body cameras. But that video has not been released to the public. The officials say that there's this new law going into effect on October 1, which doesn't allow them to release it to the public without a judge's orders, because it is not part of the public record. However, they can show the video to people who are involved. Have

you asked the police whether or not you can see that video?

MACK: No, I have not. I think it's important that, if anyone saw the video, first, it would be the family. But as you said earlier, the law goes into effect October 1. Today is not October 1. So there was no reason to make that statement. The fact remains that, as it stands right now, that family has every right to see the video and, quite frankly, because of the climate we're in, I think the city of Charlotte has the right to see that video. We believe in transparency.

CAMEROTA: So you're calling for video to be released to the city, as well as the family. Minister Corinne Mack, thanks so much for your perspective there. We hope for a good resolution there in Charlotte today. Thank you.

MACK: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you.

CAMEROTA: We do want to note that we have invited North Carolina's governor, the lieutenant governor, and the attorney general, as well as the mayor and the police chief of Charlotte to come on NEW DAY. Thus far they have all declined.

CUOMO: All right. Now, we're talking about the Charlotte in the context of Oklahoma. Why? Because it's very different. They're cases, different sets of facts as we understand them, but also very different social climate. There have been protests there. Protests, not riots. Police there released several videos. Those videos capture the deadly encounter with Terence Crutcher, an unarmed father of four.

CNN's Ana Cabrera is live in Tulsa with the latest. It is a different dynamic between police and the communities there, but so far you're seeing protests, not riots, right?

ANA CABRERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. It has been peaceful here largely, Chris. We have seen a lot of passion, though, from community members. We'll talk about that in a moment.

First, quick update on the investigation. We are hearing that the local criminal police investigation into the death of Terence Crutcher could be wrapped up as soon as tomorrow and turned over to the district attorney's office, who will determine whether charges will be filed against the officer.

It has been almost a week since Terence Crutcher was shot and killed by Officer Betty Shelby. You remember the video that has gone viral, practically, with his hands up as he's walking back to his vehicle, his SUV.

Now the officer's attorney tells us she opened fire because she thought he was reaching into his vehicle, perhaps for a weapon. We now know he was unarmed.

The protests here have been passionate but very peaceful. I want you to see this vigil last night. About 1,000 people turned out to this vigil. It was interfaith. It had school district members. It had people of all races. And we heard from a local pastor talking about trying to channel their anger in a productive way.

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RAY OWENS, PASTOR, METROPOLITAN BAPTIST CHURCH: We're really mad. And we believe we have every right to be mad, just like our brothers and sisters in North Carolina.

We don't want to tear up our popularity, our cars. We don't want to commit violence against police officers nor one another. But we needed a place to come and say, "I'm mad and I need to be able to express that."

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CABRERA: Here it's not just about police accountability. We're hearing people say this is about changing the perception of people of color. And that you shouldn't be feared just because of the color of your skin -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Ana, thank you very much.

Coming up in our next hour, we're going to talk with the mayor of Tulsa, Dewey Bartlett, and get his take on what's going on in his community and what justice demands.

CAMEROTA: All right. So as we report on these news police shootings in Tulsa and Charlotte, we also want to update you on other deadly shootings that we covered a lot this summer.

First, there are some new developments to tell you about in that investigation into the police shooting of Philando Castile. You'll remember, this was in Minnesota. Minnesota's ACLU is pushing for the release of dash cam footage to show that confrontation.

As for the officer who shot Castile, his name is Jeronimo Yanez. And following a public outcry, he is now back on administrative leave. He was briefly reinstated on the force.

You'll remember this one because they were in the car. This is Castile's girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds. She was live streaming this entire confrontation, particularly the aftermath after Philando was shot. And she had her young daughter in the car. And, so they, we are told, are now -- she and her daughter are together. They have moved to another apartment and are trying to move on.

[06:20:00] Meanwhile, in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, the Department of Justice investigation into the fatal shooting there of Alton Sterling. That is still ongoing. No charges have been filed.

CUOMO: All right, so we're going to see these situations play out in the election. What will our future leaders do about this, about these deadly police shootings in Charlotte and Tulsa? We have a comment from Donald Trump that's already stirring up controversy. It's ahead on NEW DAY.

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CUOMO: (AUDIO/VIDEO GAP) ... issues in front of their faces, excessive police force, racial injustice. That's going to be all over this campaign trail. So you have both nominees responding to what we saw this week. Trump is under fire for praising the Stop and Frisk policy.

For a look at what's been said and its impact, we have CNN's Jason Carroll -- Jason.

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And Chris, Trump is sure to come under more heat for this comment. Stop and Frisk was ruled to be unconstitutional three years ago after a federal judge called it a form of racial profiling.

Nevertheless, Donald Trump says it works and should be used, again. Both candidates offering different takes on how to change police practices following fatal shootings of African-American men in Oklahoma and North Carolina.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: So I don't know if she choked. He was walking. His hands were high. Something really bad happened.

CARROLL (voice-over): Donald Trump says he's very troubled by the deadly police shooting in Tulsa. Both candidates speaking out about the recent killings of two black men at the hands of police.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We have two more names to a list of African-Americans killed by police officers in these encounters. It's unbearable. And it needs to become intolerable.

CARROLL: Police shootings now front and center in the presidential race. Trump vows to fix the issues facing African-American voters.

TRUMP: Honestly, what do you have to lose? Not going to get any worse. It's terrible.

CARROLL: The NAACP calling Trump's assessment of African-American communities insulting.

CORNELL WILLIAM BROOKS, PRESIDENT, NAACP: To ignore the fact that African-Americans were lynched; African-Americans forced to drink out of colored water fountains, ride the back of the bus; and to compare it to the challenges of today demonstrates a profound ignorance of history.

CARROLL: Trump also calling for a Stop and Frisk policy nationwide.

TRUMP: I would do Stop and Frisk. I think you have to.

CARROLL: New York City's Stop and Frisk policy was found unconstitutional in 2013, in part because it unlawfully targeted blacks and Latinos. It allowed police officers to stop and pat down individuals they deemed suspicious of carrying weapons or contraband.

TRUMP: We did it in New York. It worked incredibly well, and you have to be proactive. And, you know, you -- you really help people sort of change their mind automatically.

CARROLL: Between 2004 and mid-2012, police stopped over 4 million people, according to the NYPD, nearly 90 percent of them black or Latino, with just 12 percent charged with crimes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They cursed at me and said, "Get -- you know, get against the fence."

LEROY DOWNS, UNARMED MAN TARGETED BY STOP-AND-FRISK: I could feel the presence of police officers standing over me, pointing weapons at me.

CARROLL: Trump's campaign later saying in a statement he was only suggesting a locally tailored version of Stop and Frisk should be used in Chicago specifically, but doubled down on his support of the policy he has publicly endorsed since 2013, saying Stop and Frisk saved lives, and it reduced crime.

A sharp contrast to Clinton, whose campaign announced she would implement a national standards to help prevent police-involved shootings.

CLINTON: We need to come together, work together, white, black, Latino, Asian, all of us.

CARROLL: She also praised the work of law enforcement after the swift capture of the New York and New Jersey bombing suspect.

CLINTON: Every day police officers across our country are serving with extraordinary courage, honor and skill. Our police handled those terrorist attacks exactly right, and they likely saved a lot of lives.

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CARROLL: Clinton also advocating for more community policing.

As for Stop and Frisk, New York City's mayor says the practice would alienate the very people who need to be partners in the fight against crime. The mayor, we should point out, is a Democrat and is supporting Hillary Clinton -- Chris, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right. I mean, there continues to be that debate over whether Stop and Frisk was really effective or whether or not it alienated people. So in our next hour, we will talk about Donald Trump's take on Stop and Frisk, and we will have New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio here with his response.

CUOMO: He's also had a very strong and somewhat controversial take on this. So it will be interesting.

A developing story out of Japan to tell you about. A U.S. military jet crashing into the sea off the coast of Okinawa. The late-breaking details when NEW DAY continues.

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