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Second Night Of Violent Protests In Charlotte; Bombing Suspect Ahmad Rahami Unconscious; U.S. Military Jet Crashes Off Okinawa Coast; Candidates Clash On Policing; Clinton & Trump Respond To Deadly Police Shootings; Don King Says The N-Word At Trump Event; Cam Newton Speaks Out On Social Injustice; Deadly Tulsa Police Shooting Videos Under Scrutiny; Tulsa Shooting Videos Leave Unanswered Questions. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired September 22, 2016 - 06:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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[06:33:07] ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN NEWSROOM ANCHOR: We do have some "BREAKING NEWS" for you. A second night of protests in Charlotte over the deadly police shooting of a black man. North Carolina's governor declaring a State of Emergency. Protesters clashing with police, officers using teargas to try to disperse the crowds. Protesters smashing windows of downtown businesses as you can see on your screen. At least four police officers were hurt. One person was critically wounded, shot by another civilian. Police say they are reviewing video from the night that Keith Lamont Scott was shot by police. The police chief says Scott had a gun and defied orders to comply, but it is unclear when and if that video will be released to the public.

[06:33:45] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: We're learning new details about the condition of accused bomber Ahmad Rahami. Authorities say he is unconscious and intubated after surgery. They've still not been able to question him about last week's bombings in New York City and New Jersey. You'll remember 29 people were injured in the blast in Manhattan. Now, the suspect's wife is back in the United States and expected to cooperate with investigators.

CAMEROTA: We also have some "BREAKING NEWS" out of Japan for you. A U.S. fighter jet crashing into the sea off the coast of Okinawa. According to Japanese media report, the jet went down about 100 miles east of the Southern Japanese Island. One person has been rescued after safely ejecting. We do not know if anyone else was on board. The jet was stationed at the U.S. Air Base in Okinawa.

CUOMO: Fatal police shootings in Tulsa and Charlotte. Very different reactions from Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. We're going to take a look at them, and then we're going to project how their replies could impact the election, next.

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(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) [06:39:10] CAMEROTA: The deadly police shootings in Charlotte and

Tulsa leading to violent protests last night. And igniting a debate about what can be done, both presidential nominees responding to this violence.

DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hands up, he was doing everything he was supposed to do - everything. And a young policeman shot this man. I don't - I don't get it.

HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have two more names to add to a list of African-Americans killed by police officers in these encounters. It's unbearable, and it needs to become intolerable.

CAMEROTA: OK. So, let's talk about this. We want to bring in CNN Politics Executive Editor Mark Preston, and Washington Post reporter Abby Phillip. Great to have both of you here. So, Mark, you heard both candidates there expressed dismay and disappointment. They're both say they're saddened by what they've seen here. But the question is, of course, what to do about it? So, we had Robby Mook, who is Hillary Clinton's Campaign Manager, on yesterday. We asked him what her plan was, and he gave sort of a Hillary Clinton-esque response. So, let's remind our viewers what he said her plan is.

ROBBY MOOK, HILLARY CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN MANAGER: There are no set of national best practices on how to manage situations, like what happened in Tulsa. These situations are handled by local policies, currently, and what she is proposing is that we actually set up national standards, so that localities have better best practices to work with and train towards.

CAMEROTA: OK. So, national standards, so localities have better practices to work towards. Now, let me play for you Donald Trump's much shorter response when asked what he would do about it. Listen to this.

TRUMP: So, we all respect our police greatly, and they will just have to get better and better and better.

CAMEROTA: There you go. I mean, can you imagine a better illustration of how they both approach these things, at least communication-wise.

[06:40:58] MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Right. And what message cuts through a lot easier, right? Donald Trump is saying we're going to get better, better, and better. And then, Robby Mook really parodying, like, "The Clinton-speak of bureaucracy," and you know, let's talk about best practices when in fact, the situation is so much bigger than both of them right now. You know, I was covering this last night. You know, we were watching this on -- as it unfolded on television. And I'm beginning to think to myself, look at - focusing so much on Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump say they're going to do, and that's extremely important. They are the leaders, right? I mean, they want to be the leader of the free world, but it's so much bigger than that. There are 535 elected members of congress. A lot of these stuff gets bottled up in there. It has a lot more to do than just police officers on the street who ain't might not have enough training or, you know, the small amount that are engaging in the violence. There is such a bigger problem here right now that all the politicians right now are not dealing with.

CUOMO: But the politics of the situation matters. Abby, let's deconstruct this a little bit in terms of how each of these candidates decided to deal with it. Hillary Clinton, Alisyn says Hillary Clinton-esque answer. Now, her campaign will take that as a pejorative that Robby Mook came out and said, "Here's what we do. We would create a national standard." That's what you can do on the national level because policing is state. They think they gave an accurate answer, not one that's about bureaucracy and meandering. Trump comes out and finds a way to say something that's incendiary to every aspects of this. Right? First, he comes out and goes, "Looks like the cop choked." He says, "Cops have to get better and better," but then he says, it looks like she choked, the woman in Tulsa, right? You know, what's that supposed to be. Then he says, stop and frisk. That's a great thing to do. It's hard to find a black community who wants more stop and frisk in their neighborhoods. So, how do you contrast these styles?

[06:42:44] ABBY PHILLIP, THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTER: This is really the essence of these two candidates kind of boil down into what they're saying in response to this. I mean, the thing about Trump is that he's saying this today, but nobody really knows what he's going to say tomorrow. And in fact, hours, hours later he was talking about stop and frisk after expressing some sort of concern about the incident in North Carolina. So, you kind of never really understand what -- where he's going and what he wants to end up saying. And with Hillary Clinton, it's always sort of, it's a process. It's about the entire system. And I think for voters, they're just facing the same choice they've been facing throughout this entire election. It's going to reinforce what they like about their respected candidates. What people like about Hillary Clinton and what they like about Donald Trump. And I don't think it's really going to change many minds here. And I don't honestly think that's what Donald Trump is trying to do by expressing sympathy. I think he's really just going with whatever comes front of mind, that at a moment. And that's what he's been doing throughout this entire campaign.

CAMEROTA: OK. So, he talked about stop and frisk, which does not play very well in the black community. He also -- there was also an event where he brought out Don King yesterday. Don King, of course, obviously, you know, famed boxing promoter, gravity-defying hair, colorful guy.

CUOMO: Homicide background.

CAMEROTA: And he said, you know, some incendiary language he used. So let's listen to that for a moment.

DON KING, BOXING PROMOTER: I told Michael Jackson, I said if you poor, you are poor Negro. I will use the "n-word". But if you - if you're rich, you are a rich Negro. If you are intelligent, intellectual, you are intellectual Negro. If you are dancing and sliding and gliding nigger, I mean Negro - CAMEROTA: OK. So, he may -- he's joking about it. The crowd seemed to like it. Mark, you're rolling your eyes. How do you think this plays?

PRESTON: Well, I mean, certainly, it doesn't play very well. And I wouldn't even argue. The word that he used, that we're all focusing on is an awful word. I would argue that the word that he's using, as well, the word Negro is an awful word, as well, right? I mean, that was a word that, you know, quickly came out of fashion. Here's the thing about Donald Trump, the difference between what we saw yesterday on this show, with the head of his National Outreach, talking about what needs to be done and really articulating what the Republican side is, was an excellent way of doing it. Then you have Don King out there who's a showman. And really, him and Trump are two of the same, right? They're both entertainers.

CUOMO: But Abby, people know what Don King is, what's your take on whether or not this matters?

PHILLIP: Oh, Don King is an entertainer and, you know, this is just part (INAUDIBLE) of what we've all - what we've always seen. Donald Trump surrounds himself with people who are in some ways like him, who know how to work the crowd, who know how to make people laugh and entertain people. I don't think this is going to change any minds at all. If only, it reinforces a certain degree of un-seriousness about this whole endeavor, which I think is challenging for Trump. If he wants to do this seriously, he has to actually do it in a serious way. And I don't think Don King helps him with that, at all.

CAMEROTA: Abby, Mark, thank you.

CUOMO: So, we're seeing this situation play out in real time. We're seeing (INAUDIBLE) in politics, we're even seeing it in sport. Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton speaking out on the deadly police shooting in his city, and the unrest that's followed. What he's saying may surprise you. We have the details arguably to report ahead.

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[06:48:51] CUOMO: What do we do - what do we do about what's happening in Charlotte. You're hearing the politicians, we're also hearing our athletes. Carolina Panthers star quarterback Cam Newton speaking out on social injustice. Andy Scholes has more in this morning's Bleacher Report, Andy?

[06:49:04] ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Chris. You know Cam Newton as a quarterback of the Panthers and reigning NFL MVP. He's one of the most famous people in Charlotte. Yesterday, he was asked for his thoughts on what's going on in his city and across the country. CAM NEWTON, QUARTERBACK OF CAROLINA PANTHERS: I'm always - you know, salute to the people who stand for something. And also people who represent, you know, holding themselves up to a standard. And it doesn't matter their race. You see what I'm saying? Like I don't - I don't - I don't see that through a black/white lens. There's good people that doesn't have a bad zone, there's good people that has a bad zone. But we all have to as United States citizens to have to be accountable for what we do.

SCHOLES: And the Texans play at the Patriots tonight for Thursday Night Football. Alison walks away and see if more players join the protest during the National Anthem before the game.

CAMEROTA: OK. Andy, thanks so much for that. Meanwhile, there are growing calls for the release of this dash cam and body cam video of the deadly Charlotte police shooting. What could they show us? We have a guest coming up who has seen them. Plus, does have the video from the Tulsa shooting tell the whole story? We're going to walk through it with an expert in police training, next.

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[06:54:23] CAMEROTA: We do have some Breaking News because there were riots in Charlotte for a second straight night, over the shooting, death of a black man by a police officer. Now, this is a different scene than what we've seen in Tulsa, Oklahoma. That's where the city released the video of a deadly police shooting of an unarmed black man and things have been much calmer there. Let's bring in CNN Law Enforcement Analyst and Former ATF Executive Matt Horace. Matthew, thanks so much for being here.

[06:54:46] MATT HORACE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Good morning.

CAMEROTA: So, we have two different scenes, OK? Violence is erupting in Charlotte. And that's where police have not released. There were three responding officers that were wearing body cameras and a dash cam, but they have not released it to the public. So, we really don't know what exactly the situation was when this man who was in his car waiting allegedly for a school bus was shot. The police say he had a gun. His family says, no way. He was reading a book. Do you think that if they released the video, it could quell the violence?

HORACE: I think during the day today, they're going to have to exercise some crisis management and a good message. The police chief has already said, "A gun was found on the suspect and no book was found." So we know that. But this is after the fact, after the protest.

CAMEROTA: But if we trust the police, I mean, look, I'm inclined to trust the police chief, but there are so many people in Charlotte who say, "You need to prove that to us, we don't believe you." HORACE: Well, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police needs to institute a good crisis management and messaging strategy. They need to do it now.

CAMEROTA: OK. Let's contrast - let's contrast that with what we've seen in Tulsa, where there has not been violence and protest. Yes, no violence. This is the situation where - as you know, Terence Crutcher was pulled over - he wasn't even pulled over, his car broke down, he needed help. The police showed up and they told him to put his hands up. This is from the aerial video of a police chopper. So, let's watch a moment of this. Here you can see his hands are up. The police see that his hands are up. But he's walking back to his car. Police training, what are they telling him right now?

HORACE: They're telling him - generally, they're telling him right now to stop. Stop where you are, make sure we can see your hands. He is walking. He's not fleeing.

CAMEROTA: But do you think that he's- in other words, you're sure, we can't hear them say this, but you're sure they would be saying, "Stop right there, stop in your tracks"?

HORACE: Well, at this point, if they're - if they're fairly certain that something is wrong, they want to get control of him. The only way to do that is to have him stop and put hands on him, and put him in a place where we can control the action.

CAMEROTA: OK. But for whatever reason, he doesn't stop. He keeps walking, OK? Now, you see two responding officers are following him. It seems to us that they do not want him to get to his car, OK? And that -- this is where it escalates. So now, as you can see, Matthew, he continues walking to his car. The two police officers have their guns trained on him. What do you see at this point?

HORACE: Well, at this point, the officers' option is either to retreat, get cover and concealment behind the vehicle or advance and put hands on him to gain control of the situation. They do neither.

CAMEROTA: OK. Neither one of those happens. And they stay here and he's at his front door here. Now, there was one story that he had reached in through his window. His family's attorney says, "No, the window was up." However, as you can see here, Matthew, his hands are not exactly up. This hand is up, this hand is down here near the door handle. What are police thinking and doing now?

HORACE: Right now, they can't see his hands, they may feel some level of threat and at this point, there may or may not be a reason to use intermediate force.

CAMEROTA: So, the window is up. Intermediate force, what does that mean?

HORACE: That means we can put hands on, we can use a baton, we can use a Taser. We want to get control of the situation and get control of the suspect.

CAMEROTA: So, you're saying they should run up to him right now?

HORACE: They very well could. Listen, I've arrested hundreds of people. We've done this hundreds of times. If it's a safe situation to do it, you make that decision. You put hands on and get the person arrested.

CAMEROTA: OK. But what makes it to say that -- he doesn't have a gun, as far as they know. We have - they haven't seen a gun. They don't know if he has a gun on him. So, what would be the calculus of whether or not they run up and tackle him?

HORACE: Well, it's an individual decision. What is the threat? Do you see a threat? Do you feel a threat? In this situation, no one had any reason to believe that he was a threat. There is no gun. They see no gun. He's walking. He's walking and talking. They could have let him walked to the other side of the car and it would have never made a difference.

CAMEROTA: OK. Here's the next terrible part. This part is very disturbing. We've couched it as best we can. This is the moment of the shooting. Now, there are more officers responding. Four officers here, and in a moment, you're going to see the shooting and him fall down to the ground. Matthew, how does this happen? There were two officers who ran up. One of them used a Taser, one of them -- one of the female officers shot him. Why two different responses?

HORACE: I have no idea. In -- on the surface, the optics of it, or that this is as bad as what happened in North Charleston. The only thing I can say is, a threat to you may not be a threat to me. I may think that I can handle the situation with a Taser or by putting hands on. A person right next to me, may think that the situation is out of control, and they may feel threatened.

CAMEROTA: So there -- I mean, this gets to right exactly what we've been talking about, there is no uniformity. There - would training help -- better training help so that you know exactly what to do, and you're not sort of winging it when you get there? Because I feel scared and you don't, so I shoot him.

HORACE: Well, the challenge in that is, every situation is uniquely different. I've seen situations where one officer says, I felt threatened. Another officer says, I did not feel threatened, and that's the challenge you have.

CAMEROTA: But in this situation, do you see anything that warrants this person being shot?

HORACE: 100 percent not there. Four officers there, there was no weapon, there was no gun, there was no sword, there was no violence, there was no action. I don't know why these four officers couldn't put hands on this individual and gain control of it.

CAMEROTA: Matthew Horace, thanks so much for sharing your training with us to help us understand this. We appreciate you being here.

HORACE: Thank you. CAMEROTA: Alright. More of our "BREAKING NEWS" on the violence in Charlotte. So, let's get right to it.

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