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Second Night of Violent Protests in Charlotte; NAACP, ACLU Call on Charlotte Police to Release Video; Tulsa Protests Stay Peaceful after Deadly Shooting; Clinton, Trump Respond to Police Shootings. Aired 7-7:30a ET

Aired September 22, 2016 - 07:00   ET

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[07:00:04] CAMEROTA: All right. More of our breaking news on the violence in Charlotte. Let's get right to it.

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. We begin with breaking news.

A second night of violent protests and riots erupting in Charlotte as anger builds over the deadly police shooting of a black man. North Carolina's governor declaring a state of emergency as chaos erupts in the city's business district. You have some people protesting. You had others who were just looking to clash with police. Tear gas used, again, to break up the crowds.

CAMEROTA: Protestors shattering windows in downtown businesses. You can see that here on your screen. At least one person was critically wounded. That person was shot by another civilian.

Four officers were also hurt in this riot. The big question this morning is why won't officials release the police video, the dash cam that could put to rest the wildly differing accounts of what led police to shoot and kill Keith Lamont Scott?

So we have every angle of this story covered. Let's begin with CNN's Nick Valencia. He's live in downtown Charlotte. What's the latest there, Nick?

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.

We're going on about five hours now that a semblance of normalcy has returned to the streets of downtown Charlotte. This business behind me gives an indicator of what the aftermath has been here along this street. This business targeted by looters last night. And what started as a peaceful protest quickly turned it -- turned into violence.

And while demonstrators have dispersed, police are anticipating another round of protests tonight.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VALENCIA (voice-over): Overnight a state of emergency declared in Charlotte. The governor deploys the National Guard.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY (R), NORTH CAROLINA (via phone): We cannot tolerate violence. We cannot tolerate the destruction of property and will not tolerate the -- the attacks toward our police officers.

VALENCIA: Violet protests erupt for a second night. In the chaos, a man lays [SIC] bleeding on the ground from his head. Authorities say one person was shot by another civilian outside the city's Omni Hotel. That person is on life support and in critical condition.

Police descend on demonstrators in riot gear, firing flash grenades and deploying tear gas to disperse crowds. CNN's Boris Sanchez in the middle of the intense scene.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Whoa! OK. They clearly want us out of here.

VALENCIA: CNN's Ed Lavandera also caught in the fray.

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's OK. I'm OK. It's OK.

VALENCIA: Knocked over by a protester while reporting on live TV. The protester later apologized.

LAVANDERA: Someone taking out their frustrations on me.

VALENCIA: Police confirmed several police officers suffered injuries.

Charlotte officials say if unrest continues, they'll explore, quote, "other options," including curfews to keep people off the streets.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are working very hard to bring peace and calm back to our city. We know that this is not who Charlotte is. This is not who we are.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VALENCIA: Adding to the anger here among demonstrators is what they say is a lack of transparency. Police and dash cam footage have not been released. Demonstrators want that video to be released.

However, police say it's part of the investigation.

Now, it is worth noting, as well, according to a local affiliate, there have been six fatal police shootings in Charlotte in 2016. All of them have been found to be justified -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK, Nick. Thanks so much for that reporting.

There is an addendum to what just saw happen to Ed Lavandera there, where he was knocked over by one of the rioters. An hour later, that rioter came back and apologized.

CUOMO: Yes. I mean, Ed, you should know by now, is a real pro. He's been in a lot of hard situations, and you saw he handled like that a pro. It's not easy when you're there reporting and somebody assaults you. Think about what you would do.

The kid came back and said, "You know, I did the wrong thing. People talked to me. I made everybody look bad. I don't even know you. I shouldn't have done that" and hugged Ed. It just shows the complexity of the emotions in these situations.

CAMEROTA: Yes, it was.

CUOMO: And it was important to Ed to -- for people to know how it ended, not just how it started.

CAMEROTA: That's an interesting dimension. I'm glad we got that.

And meanwhile, Charlotte's police officer promising that the investigation into Keith Lamont Scott's shooting death will be handled transparently. But there are two vastly different versions of what happened. So why haven't police released that video of the deadly encounter?

CNN's Polo Sandoval is live in Charlotte with more. What's the answer to that, Polo?

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, frankly, what we know is that there is this law that was recently introduced and passed, although it is not quite in effect yet. It does prevent authorities from releasing some of this dash cam video and, also, footage that would shed more light.

In the meantime, there is that growing question: Was this shooting justified? Well, at this point it depends who you ask.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

REV. B.J. MURPHY, NATION OF ISLAM: They said that he had a gun. Somebody said he had a book. We need to do our own independent investigation to see if that is actually true.

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Two very different accounts emerging about what led police to fatally shoot Keith Lamar Scott in the parking lot of his apartment complex. Police say Scott had a gun when he was confronted by Officer Brentley Vinson.

[07:05:04] CHIEF KERR PUTNEY, CHARLOTTE-MECKLENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT: Mr. Scott, as I said, exited that -- exited his vehicle armed with a handgun as the officers continued to yell at him to drop it. He stepped out, posing a threat to the officers, and Officer Brentley Vinson subsequently fired his weapon, striking the suspect.

SANDOVAL: But Scott's daughter insists her father did not have a gun, alleging that, if he did, police planted it. Moments after the shooting she offered her account in an emotional Facebook live stream. LYRIC SCOTT, DAUGHTER OF KEITH LAMONT SCOTT: You can't even do

(EXPLETIVE DELETED). My (EXPLETIVE DELETED) daddy is definitely disabled. What (EXPLETIVE DELETED) gun he had, he in the damn car reading a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) book. You all (EXPLETIVE DELETED) run up on him because he black.

SANDOVAL: Charlotte police have not released video, but maintain that the evidence recovered at the scene proves their story.

PUTNEY: A weapon was seized. A handgun. I can also tell you we did not find a book that has been made reference to.

SANDOVAL: These conflicting accounts offering little comfort to Scott's wife. She issued a statement late Wednesday night, asserting, quote, "After listening to remarks made by Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Putney today, we have more questions than answers about Keith's death. Rest assured, we will work diligently to get answers to our questions as quickly as possible."

The ACLU has called for Charlotte police to release the officer's video despite a new law that the city says prohibits them from releasing it. But the new law doesn't go into effect for another week. Charlotte's mayor telling CNN last night she will review the video today.

MAYOR JENNIFER ROBERTS (D), CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA: There are different perspectives and different videos. There are a couple different body cameras. There were some dash cameras. There may be some community videos.

We want to have clear, irrefutable evidence. We're working very hard to make that accessible.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CUOMO: How do we move forward? What happens next? Joining us now, John Barnett, a civil rights activist speaking on behalf of the Scott family. And Amere May Sr., founder of Abundant Faith Word Church in Charlotte.

John, how is the family this morning?

JOHN BARNETT, SPOKESPERSON FOR SCOTT FAMILY: They're doing well. They're actually in Charleston now, South Carolina, from information that we've received. Just kind of getting away from Charlotte and all of it, you know, the incidents and stuff of that nature that has been taking place.

CUOMO: Have the police offered to show them the videos that they have to prove their case?

BARNETT: To my understanding, no. Historically in Charlotte and with our last case, the Farrow case, they just prolonged it. It took almost two years to go to court. He was another victim here in Charlotte, was shot by the police less than four years ago. So there's no connection with us, no communication. CUOMO: So, Amere, what do you think those videotapes would mean to

the community?

AMERE MAY SR., FOUNDER, ABUNDANT FAITH WORD CHURCH, CHARLOTTE, N.C.: Well, I believe those videotapes will bring some type of truth to the community folks, to the law enforcement, as well as the community, the African-American community.

Right now, we are disarrayed with it's a matter of trust. Who can we trust and what words can we trust?

But I think the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department if, in fact, they have the videos that tell the truth, we should expedite that process to try to bring some healing and try to bring some calmness to our city, because this is a great city. I moved from Michigan to this city because of its potential and all the wonderful people from all cultures and persuasions that was here. Beautiful city, but I believe if we actually expedite this process to get this tape, the scriptures tell us the truth shall set you free.

But also, the scriptures tell us, "Be angry, but sin not." So we're calling for calm. We're calling for solidarity. We're calling for transparency from the community, as well as the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department.

CUOMO: You're saying you didn't like what you saw on the streets last night? The basis of the anger is understandable, especially in light of what is not known yet. But these riots and people destroying their own businesses and the places where you have to live, you say that that is wrong.

MAY: I absolutely think it's wrong. We can't get anywhere with the vision with any type of -- we can legalize protests but it should be in peace. We are followers of Christ, and Christ was all about peace and love for all mankind. Burning down a building never resolves anything. Burning down the building doesn't bring Mr. Scott back, Trayvon Martin back. Burning down a building doesn't show anything, but it shows us our frustration.

Yes, we are frustrated as a community, but there's more ways to go about it than burning down a building, throwing rocks at the police, because we are still one community.

BARNETT: That's right.

CUOMO: Why do you think these protests are going on in the business district and not where the shooting happened or in those communities, where, you know, the people are angry about the policing there? Why -- why do you think it was brought to downtown?

BARNETT: Because I believe that African-American people, we feel as though we cannot be trusted. We feel as though we have no voice. And the only time we feel like we can create a voice for ourself or some type of platform is challenge the system economically.

It's obvious to us that Trayvon Martin had some Skittles and was gunned down. We see another African-American male selling CDs. He was gunned down. We saw Tamir Rice driving a car while being black. And nothing occurred then.

Now we have another young man that witness accounts that he had a book in his hand, and he was gunned down, too. So it feel -- a lot of our community and young, black African-American males feel as though it's hunting season, and they are the prey. So what we're going to do, we have to call for solidarity. We have to call for peace. We have to call for transparency, because violence and bloodshed would get us absolutely nowhere.

CUOMO: Tom, for the cops to say that he had a gun and be lying would be a very, very explosive development in this case. If they say that there was a gun, and you see the video or you see proof that there is a gun, that this victim had a gun and exited the vehicle, how will that change your feelings about the situation?

BARNETT: It would change only a small fragment of that. I think because of the fact that right now if they was [SIC] to show the video, it may save a couple windows at the Wal-Mart or downtown at the Michael Jordan store. I think if they let that information be known now -- I think the hardest thing to do is, when you've murdered someone or shot someone, and they die. And the mother has to sit to wait; go out of town because of all the chaos that's going on in the city, and there's no closure. And I think it could be a quick remedy to this.

But if there is a gun, then so be it. I do know a lot of African- American males, some of the cases I've worked on, that didn't have a gun. Or even the fact, if he had a gun, did he point the gun? It's OK to have a gun in this country. Everybody has got a gun nowadays.

The truth of the matter is, did he point the gun? Did this individual, who, obviously, every day has the same routine, sitting in the car waiting on his son to get out of the car [SIC]. I'm sorry, as you were -- get off the bus. He's sitting in his car waiting on him. Why would he want to get his son off the bus and then engage officers?

And one thing that's not being said, I think, in the news is that there was a warrant that's being served, and that warrant was not for him. I checked his record, he does not have a warrant. But they were in that community trying to find someone with this particular warrant and they wasn't -- he wasn't there. And, you know, we have a death on our hands. We've got Mr. Scott's blood on our hands.

And Charlotte has to deal with it. We just had at shooting like this three years ago. It's nothing new.

CUOMO: This is not the new one?

BARNETT: So strong communication between -- what?

CUOMO: You have had a spate of recent shootings. I believe that there's six in recent history there. There has been tension in the community. This is, obviously, a flash point.

BARNETT: yes. Yes.

CUOMO: Amere, do you believe that things will calm down from here? Do you think tonight will be even worse?

MAY: I believe the ball is in the police department's court. I believe the way they handle and go forth from now and try to embellish and enhance this conversation with the community, I believe that will show a little solidarity that must be a conversation with the chief of police, the police department and the African-American community. There must be some transparency. Until then, we feel our voices have not been heard.

And that's why John and I are out here. According to Proverbs 30, we are to be a voice for those that have no voice. And we're praying for the wife and the children. They were very frustrated. They feel like as no one cares. They feel like no one's -- their father died in vain.

And I believe tonight we've got to call for prayer and solidarity. I'm asking all the clergy to meet us. We're possibly going to have a prayer vigil to try to cause some healing. Not only are the rioters upset, but the clergy's upset. We have some wonderful men and women of God in this, from all cultural persuasions and denominations, and we've got to come together and show the world that we are one Charlotte.

CUOMO: Well, we've seen tremendous power in leaders of the faith community to help people direct their anger and to protest and not violence. Amere, thank you very much for joining us.

John, we'll stay in touch. Let us know what we need to know.

Thank you, gentlemen, for being with us. I hope tonight is a safer night.

All right. We want you to know that we're trying to cover every aspect of this story. We asked North Carolina's governor, lieutenant governor, the attorney general; the mayor of Charlotte, the police chief to come on to NEW DAY and talk about what's going on here. They declined. We will continue to ask -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right, Chris. Everyone's going to want to stick around into our next hour, because we will talk with the former president of the Charlotte Fraternal Order of Police. He has seen the dash cam video of the shooting there. And he corroborates the police chief's account. We'll ask exactly what he saw on that tape.

Meanwhile, a starkly different scene in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where we do have video of another deadly police shooting, but the protests there have been peaceful.

CNN's Ana Cabrera is live in Tulsa with the latest.

Give us the latest, Ana.

ANA CABRERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn. We're hearing the local police investigation here in Tulsa could be

wrapped up as soon as tomorrow and turned over to the local district attorney's office.

[07:15:08] Now, it's been nearly a week since Terence Crutcher was shot and killed by Officer Betty Shelby. You've seen the police video by now with Terence Crutcher, his arms up as he's walking back to his SUV just moments before he is shot and killed.

Officer Shelby's attorney tells us she thought he was reaching into his vehicle, perhaps, for a weapon when she opened fire. We now know he was unarmed.

The reaction to this shooting here has been passionate, but peaceful. About 1,000 people gathered last night for an interfaith vigil. They linked arms. They sang. They spoke out and expressed regret and frustration. We talked to a local pastor here who says they're trying to channel their emotions in a productive way.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RAY OWENS, PASTOR, METROPOLITAN BAPTIST CHURCH: We're really mad. And we -- I believe we have every right to be mad, just like our brothers and sisters in North Carolina.

We don't want to tear up our property, cars. We don't want to commit violence against police officers nor one another. But we needed a place to come and say, "I'm mad. And I need to be able to express that."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CABRERA: Now, regardless of what happens with the local criminal investigation, don't forget, there is also a Department of Justice federal civil rights probe into this incident, as well. And the attorney general, Loretta Lynch, speaking out, saying their department will look at this case, and they will be impartial, exhaustive and thorough -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Ana. And every time we have a situation like this, it always winds up magnifying bigger issues. Racial tension, the nature of policing in this country. And you're going to see these issues reflected in the presidential race.

You're also going to see very different approaches from Hillary Clinton and from Donald Trump. For that part of the story, we have CNN's Jason Carroll -- Jason.

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Chris, as you know, Stop-and- Frisk was ruled to be unconstitutional three years ago after a federal judge called it a form of racial profiling. Nevertheless, Donald Trump says it works, and it should be used again.

Both candidates offering different takes on how to change police practices, following fating shootings of African-American men in both Oklahoma and North Carolina. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: So I don't know if she choked. He was walking. His hands were high. Something really bad happened.

CARROLL (voice-over): Donald Trump says he's very troubled by the deadly police shooting in Tulsa. Both candidates speaking out about the recent killings of two black men at the hands of police.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We have two more names to add to a list of African-Americans killed by police officers in these encounters. It's unbearable. And it needs to become intolerable.

CARROLL: Police shootings now front and center in the presidential race. Trump vows to fix the issues facing African-American voters.

TRUMP: Honestly, what do you have to lose? Not going to get any worse. It's terrible.

CARROLL: The NAACP calling Trump's assessment of African-American communities insulting.

CORNELL WILLIAM BROOKS, PRESIDENT, NAACP: To ignore the fact that African-Americans were lynched; African-Americans forced to drink out of colored water fountains, ride the back of the bus; and to compare it to the challenges of today demonstrates a profound ignorance of history.

CARROLL: Trump also calling for a Stop-and-Frisk policy nationwide.

TRUMP: I would do Stop-and-Frisk. I think you have to.

CARROLL: New York City's Stop-and-Frisk policy was found unconstitutional in 2013, in part because it unlawfully targeted blacks and Latinos. It allowed police officers to stop and pat down individuals they deemed suspicious of carrying weapons or contraband.

TRUMP: We did it in New York. It worked incredibly well, and you have to be proactive. And, you know, you -- you really help people sort of change their mind automatically.

CARROLL: Between 2004 and mid-2012, police stopped over 4 million people, according to the NYPD, nearly 90 percent of them black or Latino, with just 12 percent charged with crimes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They cursed at me and said, "Get -- you know, get against the fence."

LEROY DOWNS, UNARMED MAN TARGETED BY STOP-AND-FRISK: I could feel the presence of police officers standing over me, pointing weapons at me.

CARROLL: Trump's campaign later saying in a statement he was only suggesting a locally tailored version of Stop-and-Frisk should be used in Chicago specifically, but doubled down on his support of the policy he has publicly endorsed since 2013, saying Stop-and-Frisk saved lives and reduced crime.

A sharp contrast to Clinton, whose campaign announced she would implement a national standards to help prevent police-involved shootings.

CLINTON: We need to come together, work together, white, black, Latino, Asian, all of us.

CARROLL: She also praised the work of law enforcement after the swift capture of the New York and New Jersey bombing suspect.

[07:20:00] CLINTON: Every day police officers across our country are serving with extraordinary courage, honor and skill. Our police handled those terrorist attacks exactly right, and they likely saved a lot of lives.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CARROLL: Well, Clinton also advocating for more community policing going forward. As for Stop-and-Frisk, a number of New York City officials say the practice severely eroded relations between police and the communities they serve -- Chris, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK. Thanks so much, Jason.

Up next, who has the better plan to address policing and racial issues? Supporters for both candidates will debate them when NEW DAY returns.

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CAMEROTA: A state of emergency in effect in Charlotte, North Carolina, after a second night of violent protests there over the deadly police shooting of a black man.

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton both reacting to the unrest.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Hands up. He was doing everything he was supposed to do. Everything. And a young policeman [SIC] shot this man. I don't get it.

CLINTON: We have two more names to add to a list of African-Americans killed by police officers in these encounters. It's unbearable. And it needs to become intolerable.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: OK, that first one that Donald Trump was responding to, that was the Tulsa case, not the Charlotte case.

But who has the better plan to address policing and race issues? CNN political commentator and Clinton supporter Bakari Sellers is here, as well as CNN political commentator and Trump supporter Jeffrey Lord. Great to have both of you gentlemen here.

JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Good morning, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Jeffrey, nice to have you in studio.

So let's take a look. I mean, both of the candidates, as you heard, came out and said that they were both really troubled by what they saw in Tulsa. That situation where someone's car broke down and he had his hands up, and he was shot.

And now there's all this violence in Charlotte, because another black man, who may have been armed or not -- we don't know, no video has been released to the public -- was also shot. But the question, of course, is what are they going to do about it? So, let me play both of their different responses when asked, "What will you do about it?" The first is Hillary Clinton's campaign manager. So listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROBBY MOOK, CLINTON CAMPAIGN MANAGER: What she is proposing is that actually we set up national standards so that localities have better practices to work with and train towards.

TRUMP: So we all respect our police greatly, and they will just have to get better and better and better.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: So Jeffrey, what does "better and better and better" mean?

LORD: Well, this is the classic difference, Alisyn, between a Republican and a Democrat. The Democrat, whatever the problem seems to be, they want to federalize it. They want to hire bureaucrats in Washington, set some sort of, quote/unquote, "standard" and then make the rest of the country obey.

The Republican always -- I mean, Ronald Reagan, you go on back and back and back -- what they're saying is the problem in Tulsa is the problem of the people of Tulsa. And the people of Tulsa need to get better and better and solve it in whatever fashion.

What's going on in Charlotte needs to be handled by the people of Charlotte. You've got a mayor. You've got a police chief. You've got a city council.

CAMEROTA: Sure.

LORD: You've got -- that is the way to handle these problems.

CAMEROTA: I hear you. That's not exactly what Donald Trump said. I mean, he didn't say, "Let's leave it to the locals." He just said "get better and better and better," which leaves out a lot of specifics.

LORD: Well, but I mean, he's not saying, at least I'm not hearing him say hire a group of bureaucrats, put them in the Department of Justice and then make everybody toe the line.

CAMEROTA: Bakari, what do you hear in the difference between their responses?

BAKARI SELLERS, CNN COMMENTATOR: Well, I think it can be clear, and I think it can be more of a contrast between the two candidates. What you have is Donald Trump, who has literally said nothing other than Stop-and-Frisk. I mean, to be completely honest, I think Jeffrey was kind of beating around your question. Donald Trump doesn't have a plan for criminal justice reform.

When you look at Hillary Clinton, you're talking about not just body cameras, what she asked about or echoed in her first campaign speech at the Dinkins Institute at Columbia University in New York to start the campaign.

But you're also talking about community policing. You're talking about national use of force standards. You're talking about, you know, making sure that these entities, especially these small towns, small communities, are reporting their uses of force to the FBI so we can collect this data.

We're talking about using the Department of Justice as a teaching tool, using grants for local police departments so that, when we're going in and educating them on the use of force, they also have the resources needed to do their jobs and to train properly.

So you have one candidate who's prepared to tackle these issues, and another candidate who's going to hit us with words like "big-league, big-league," "more and more and more..."

CAMEROTA: Yes.

SELLERS: ... when we need specifics.

CAMEROTA: So Jeffrey, I mean, when you say that Donald Trump as president would leave it to the locals to figure this out, does that mean that he thinks the president can't do anything about this situation?

LORD: No, not necessarily. But, I mean, again, this is the classic formulation. When I'm listening to Bakari there, I mean, Bakari is saying, in essence, what I just said.

CAMEROTA: Yes, that he thinks that it can be handled at the federal level, and so does Hillary Clinton.

LORD: Right, right, right.

CAMEROTA: But if Donald Trump doesn't think it can be handled at the federal level, then where does that leave us?

LORD: It leaves us with letting the people of Charlotte solve their problem.

CAMEROTA: Without the president doing anything? LORD: Right. I mean, the president --presidents can give speeches. They can be role models in that sense. But for heaven's sakes. I mean, this is the United States of America. The state of North Carolina, the city of Charlotte, have -- if they've got a problem here, and clearly they do, they need to solve it.

CAMEROTA: Well, there's the difference, Bakari. I mean, I think that we've just heard it spelled out. That is the difference.

SELLERS: That's not the best solution.

CAMEROTA: So it can either be handled at the local level -- and that's what Jeffrey and Donald Trump are saying -- or Hillary Clinton's idea that the feds could play a role.

SELLERS: I think that's what Jeffrey's saying. I'm not so certain we're sure about what Donald Trump is saying.

But even more importantly, I mean, I could see if this was, you know, just some random, localized issue. There are two problems with what Jeffrey and Donald Trump are saying.

One, this isn't just some pop-up, overnight thing that occurs randomly. I mean, we're having these discussions. We -- I was just with you guys two months ago when we were having this same discussion on NEW DAY about Baton Rouge and Minneapolis. We've had this discussion about Columbus, Ohio. We've had it about Ferguson. We've had it about New York. This isn't just some isolated local issue.

We need to have some national standards and guidelines. So what happened in Tulsa, I mean, with a guy with his hands up, a father of four, doesn't end up dead in the street, because there was a police officer there who was scared simply because he was black. That's first.

CAMEROTA: Yes.