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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Donald Trump is unqualified and unfit to be commander in chief.

[05:58:33] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Hillary Clinton, who's weak; her judgment is horrible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When the lights are bright, she brings the "A"- plus game to the table.

GOV. MIKE PENCE (R-IN), VICE-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Donald Trump has been preparing for this debate his entire lifetime.

CLINTON: His real message seems to be "make America hate again."

TRUMP: Hillary Clinton, she's a world class liar.

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: The Clinton camp is very nervous. He's a brilliant debater.

ROBBY MOOK, HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN MANAGER: I'm very concerned Donald Trump will be graded on a curve.

TRUMP: We will make this country greater than ever before.

CLINTON: When there are no ceilings, the sky's the limit.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: All right. The sound says it all. Good morning. That's a heck of an alarm clock right there. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Monday, September 26, 6 a.m. in the east. And guess where we are? Live at Hofstra University. This is where the big debate will happen. History in the making.

We're going to have a clock up there for you throughout the day, about 15 hours away. This is one of the rare instances in politics where the hype is justified. We're going to see something we haven't seen before: Clinton and Trump one-on-one. The race is going to be different after tonight. In fact, people are saying this could be the most consequential debate in modern political history.

The proposition: will Trump rise to the challenge, or will Clinton come away as the only presidential person on the stage?

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: We'll see if these kids can stay fired up for 15 hours...

CUOMO: More Red Bull.

CAMEROTA: ... as they are right now. More Red Bull.

The high-stakes showdown comes at a pivotal time in the race, with just new national and battleground states polling to show you. And this race is locked in a virtual tie. Election day is 43 days away. The stakes, of course, could not be higher.

So let's begin our comprehensive debate coverage with CNN's Jason Carroll outside of the debate hall. Good morning, Jason.

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you. Sounds like that crowd is ready. Certainly, the country is ready, as well, for the debate tonight. It's going to be a matchup between unconventional versus the traditional, if you will.

The unconventional, of course, being Donald Trump, not following tradition, not preparing in the way that we've seen candidates prepare in the past. He's not been holding mock debates. Instead of doing that, he has been reviewing the issues with his aides. His aides saying that they don't want him to be over-prepared; they don't want him to be over-rehearsed versus Hillary Clinton, following the traditional route. She has been holding mock debates as of late, preparing late into the night last night at a hotel outside her home in Chappaqua.

She's been having one of her long-time aides, a man by the name of Phillippe Reines -- he's known for his combative style -- stand in for Trump. So, two very different styles heading into the debate tonight. Of course, both sides trying to spin, trying to manage expectations.

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MOOK: I'm very concerned that Donald Trump will be graded on a curve. Just because he doesn't fly off the handle in the middle of this debate does not mean that he is prepared to be president of the United States.

CONWAY: If Mr. Trump has any disadvantage going into tomorrow night's debate, it's that he's not really treated fairly, and that's pretty obvious if you read many of the print reports, if you turn on almost any station at any point in the day.

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CARROLL: Well, 100 million people expected to tune in to tonight's debate, which is expected to begin at about 9 p.m. tonight. Stakes could not be higher, as you said, Chris. Because at this point, the race is just too close to call -- Chris.

CUOMO: Nothing says debate, Jason Carroll, like "Sweet Caroline."

CAMEROTA: Which they're singing behind us right now.

CUOMO: And that's what they're singing behind us right now. So if my head's bobbing, you know why.

All right. So Alisyn was saying that the race is in a dead heat. Let's see what passes for proof of that: the polls. CNN's new poll of polls, that's, obviously, the average of the last five national polls, has Clinton with a razor-thin lead, 43-40.

This morning, CNN has new battleground state polls, as well. The race, again, down to one point in two key states. Colorado -- that's going to be big -- Trump edging out Clinton among likely voters, 42- 41. Clinton has a slight lead in Pennsylvania. That's a key state for Trump. We'll be talking about that from now until election day. Forty-five-44. All locked up.

CAMEROTA: I mean, look, it's really also interesting to see the role that Gary Johnson is playing in those four-way polls.

So let's discuss tonight's debate with our all-star political panel. We want to bring in CNN national political reporter Maeve Reston; senior contributor to "The Daily Caller" Matt Lewis; "Washington Post" reporter Abby Phillip, CNN political commentator; and CNN political analyst David Gregory; and CNN political director David Chalian.

It's a party here at Hofstra already, guys.

CUOMO: Yes.

CAMEROTA: Great to have you with us.

All right. Maeve, let's talk about some of the new reports that we've learned about how the candidates spent the weekend preparing. We know that Hillary Clinton had been doing these mock debates. She did it until 11 p.m. last night to sort of get ready for the stamina of what she might be involved. And we keep hearing that Donald Trump is not doing any mock debates. He's dispensed with them. Is it possible he's faking us out, and he has been preparing all along?

MAEVE RESTON, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: I think it is certainly possible. In talking to his advisors this weekend, he is having these informal conversations with people like Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, sitting around, formulating answers, talking about the issues.

But it's going to be a fascinating contrast of styles tonight, the way that the two of them have prepared; because he, clearly, did not want to do the mock debate, you know, up against Hillary Clinton thing. And he has been watching a lot of tape and a lot of tape of Hillary Clinton's past debates. So he definitely is digging in, getting ready.

CAMEROTA: Right.

CUOMO: Chalian, on the list of "I've nevers" that this campaign has ushered in. I've never heard of someone blowing off debate prep. And there's one suggestion that they don't want to spook Trump, that they don't want to put him into the actual thing that most candidates do, which is "let's get this as close as possible," because they believe that it may throw him off his game before he even gets to the big game.

Do you think that could be part of the calculus? "Let's not let the weight of the mass expectations that will come on Trump hurt him before it even happens"?

DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: It's certainly part of the calculus, but it's also that the candidate, as we've seen throughout the course of this campaign, if he's outside of his comfort zone, it takes -- it takes some time for him to get comfortable in the new zone.

Let's say the teleprompter speeches, right? At first, that was a totally unfamiliar thing. He was completely not comfortable with it. He's grown more comfortable with it.

This would argue that they probably, maybe, wanted to make an approximate thing to what the debate will be and have a little more prep. But the problem is, the candidate kind of rejects that. And as we know, Donald Trump has been driving this entire process. This isn't a campaign driven by the staff. This isn't the campaign manager coming in and saying, "No, this is what we need to do." This is a candidate who drives this process.

CAMEROTA: So David, the challenges for each one. Hers: not to appear overly prepared, not too wonky. His, to stay focused. You know, in some previous debates, he sort of checked out at some times in terms of attention.

RESTON: So true.

CAMEROTA: So they need him to stay there, present, for 90 minutes.

DAVID GREGORY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Look, he -- this whole idea of let Trump be Trump is, in part, because he is a reality TV show star. I mean, that cannot be minimized. He's got an ability. He's got a sense of the theater. He's got a sense of how to counterattack, how to be in the moment.

I think David is right. You can't put him into this -- this cylinder of all of a sudden becoming a rigorous presidential candidate. He is not. So, he's going to be totally unpredictable.

I think the real challenge for Hillary Clinton is that both these candidates really have the first half hour. Ron Klain has been preparing Hillary Clinton; has written in the past the first half hour is so important, because it shapes the media narrative. We can't forget this is a made-for-TV event. She wants to disqualify him; play on the idea that most people think

he doesn't have the temperament to be president and that he's not qualified. She wants to be the aggressor without being aggressive. There's a lot of pitfalls for her in this.

CUOMO: I mean, you get it, Abby, in terms of out on the hustings. You know, let him be him, let him be him. But this is like a prize fight tonight. You know? It's like literally saying in a heavyweight championship of the world, "You know what? We're going to let the guy hang out and eat some Cheetos and watch television. That's how he's comfortable." I mean, it's a really reckless approach to this.

This is studied for a reason. You know, you have one chance to get it right in front of 100 million people who are watching.

ABBY PHILLIP, CNN COMMENTATOR: The biggest pitfall is if, on the issues, he's unprepared. Right? So -- so Donald Trump needs to both know what he's talking about, and he also needs to keep a little bit of his personality. The little bit of him that puts Hillary Clinton a little off her feet and a little unsteady. And frankly, that's what the Clinton campaign is preparing for.

Several months ago, I reported that they had some meetings with a couple of people who they believe knew Trump's personality very well. One was a Wall Street person, Robert Wolf, a former CEO of UBS Americas; and the other was Trump's ghost writer, Tony Schwartz. And they sat in a room, and they asked him, "Hey, what is Trump going to do? How is he going to take his -- his sort of dealmaker mentality and bring it onto the stage, debate stage?" They were -- they want to be prepared for that, because that's the part of Trump that actually can throw Hillary Clinton off a little bit.

CAMEROTA: What are you looking forward to tonight, Matt?

MATT LEWIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, let me just say, I don't think it's reckless to do this. I think this -- who knows how it's going to shake out, but this is being compared to a Super Bowl. Right? Because 100 million people possibly watching. But let's think about Super Bowls.

You've got a week or two leading into a Super Bowl to prepare; and different coaches approach it differently. There are some coaches who make their team prepare, and some cases they over-prepare. And other coaches say, "No, go out, have a good time, relax."

CUOMO: Nobody says, "Go out and have a good time until the game is about to start." They practice their butts off and make sure that they're on their game.

LEWIS: But there's a difference between being over-prepared and overdisciplined.

CUOMO: True.

LEWIS: and take it a little easy and relax a little bit, have fun with it. And I think even if you talk about politics, right, there are

candidates who over-prepare for these things. Richard Nixon versus John F. Kennedy. You know, Kennedy's getting a tan, sitting by the swimming pool. He does better in the debate than Richard Nixon, who's like, you know, underlining notes and what not.

CUOMO: But why? Why, though, Maeve, right? And I'll take your point. You're right about it, Brother Brown, but the reason is because one was comfortable; one wasn't. One was not. What makes you comfortable? Preparation, ease. That's when Trump has been at his best, also.

RESTON: But do you think that's true?

CUOMO: When guys come into his zone of "I want to talk about this." Now he's confident. Now he's ready to go.

RESTON: I mean, I don't think that cramming for Donald Trump would necessarily -- even though that's probably what he needs to do, since he has, you know, a lot of holes on the issue -- would have been the best preparation for him. I mean, he has to be able to show a command of the issues tonight, but, also, be able to -- to really try to rattle her a little bit. And it's just going to be...

GREGORY: Right. I think it's more than command of issues. I think that people will not necessarily remember where they are prescriptively on the issues.

RESTON: Right.

GREGORY: You're still looking at him behind these lecterns that are so famous and trying to imagine them as president. She's got an advantage on that.

RESTON: Right.

GREGORY: Whether you like her or dislike her, she's got it. He's got to measure up. And there's -- if he can fight this to a draw tonight, that's a huge win for him. If people start to see him -- because we have, remember, 100 million people. Who's watching who hasn't made up an opinion? That's, I think, really important tonight.

[06:10:14] CHALIAN: This is so critical what David is saying. Because look at the advertising campaign that Hillary Clinton has done over the last many months. Look at her messaging on the stump. Everything has been disqualifying Donald Trump. Everything has been saying he doesn't have the temperament; he's not ready; he's not fit for the office, in his own words, everything.

If, indeed, he walks off the stage tonight, and people actually are no longer buying it. Right now, the polls are in her favor. Majorities do agree with her that he's not fit. If he does a little bit of improvement on that and walks off the stage where people see him as, "Oh, hey, I can kind of see him in the Oval Office." If that were to happen, that's a game change.

CAMEROTA: Panel, stick around. We have many more questions for you.

And out there, you do not want to miss tonight's epic showdown between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, 9 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN.

CUOMO: We have other news that came overnight, and it was of the saddest variety. So big, so beloved, the king of golf, Arnold Palmer, died on Sunday at a Pittsburgh hospital. He was 87 years old. You can't put enough accolades on him, but he is credited with turning golf into a television event.

We have CNN sports anchor Coy Wire joins us now with a look at golf, just the big heart, the heart of the game, Arnold Palmer. Nobody is going to be able to adequately grasp his impact, but everybody wants to say good-bye, Coy.

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Absolutely right, Chris. And Arnold Palmer was so much more than a golfer. He started -- he helped co- found the Golf Channel, has a drink named after him, and he was full of love. He was married to his first wife for 55 years before she passed. He proposed after knowing he just three days. He remarried and spent 11 years with his now-widowed wife after that.

But he gave love to everybody with whom he came into contact. That's why some of golf's current stars are so crushed and moved over this news yesterday.

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RORY MCILROY, 2016 FEDEX CUP CHAMPION: He's just a wonderful man with great stories, had great charisma.

WIRE (voice-over): The greatest sports stars and fans around the world are mourning the loss of golf legend Arnold Palmer. An undeniable king, dedicated his entire life to the sport.

ARNOLD PALMER, FORMER AMERICAN PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: It's hard work. It's not something that just comes along and you capture it. It's something that you must work for and work very hard.

WIRE: At the age of 3, Palmer started learning golf and never stopped, winning seven majors and 92 tournaments overall.

The 87-year-old's rise to dominance over the game coinciding with the beginning of televised golf, bringing the sport, once for the country club elite, mainstream. With his magnetic personality and distinctive style, Palmer was the first golfer to garner legions of fans called Arnie's Army.

PALMER: When people say, hey, treat other people like you'd like to be treated, they don't really think that. That's a nice thing to say. But, you know, I had it beaten into me that that was the thing to do, and -- and I have practiced that.

WIRE: His final appearance as a player at the 2004 Masters was a record 50th consecutive. TIM FINCHEM, PGA TOUR COMMISSIONER: There's just no real way to

easily capsule the essence of the man. And he's just -- just an icon and a giant in the sport of golf.

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WIRE: Arnold Palmer's survived by his wife, Kit, two daughters, six grandchildren, and many great-grandchildren. Immediately after hearing this news yesterday, Tiger Woods, paid tribute by tweeting, quote, "Thanks, Arnold, for your friendship, council, and a lot of laughs. Your philanthropy and humility are part of your legend. It's hard to imagine golf without you or anyone more important to the game than the king," unquote.

His legend will certainly live on through those who will remember him each and every day -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Coy, he had a long, full life. Thank you for helping us remember it.

There's another death to tell you about. We have new details about the deadly boating accident that killed Miami Marlins pitcher Jose Fernandez and two other men. Investigators believe high speed may have been a key factor. The Coast Guard found the boat capsized after violently slamming into rocks early Sunday morning off Miami Beach. The 24-year-old baseball prodigy defected from Cuba as a teenager to become one of baseball's most dominant pitchers. That was a shock to hear about, as well, yesterday.

CUOMO: It was. And you had, you know, two deaths from the world of sports that represented such different endings. Arnold Palmer living such a long life, getting to live out his dreams. And then you have Fernandez, who was just getting going and, you know, already an amazing talent and his life taken by something that was so avoidable.

CAMEROTA: I know. It was really tragic.

CUOMO: Bad way to go for all those fans, for his family. So, you have one man, Arnold Palmer, is being remembered for the greatest; and Fernandez, who was just taken too soon.

[06:15:00] All right, we're going to take a quick break here. We also want to talk to you about what's going on in the news in Charlotte. The police there did release the video of the fatal shooting of Keith Lamont Scott, hours before Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump square off in their first debate.

So what's the obvious question? Are we going to see violence with police, shootings, race relations, are they going to be going out on the stage tonight? A closer look ahead?

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CAMEROTA: The mayor of Charlotte lifted the city's curfew as demonstrations remained peaceful through the weekend. Police finally released dash-cam and body-cam video of the deadly shooting of Keith Lamont Scott. But the video did not answer many troubling questions.

CNN's Brynn Gingras is live from Charlotte with more. What have you learned Brynn?

BRYNN GINGRAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Alisyn, of course, the biggest question is was this shooting justified? And even after these videos have been released, the narratives from both sides haven't changed. The Keith Scott family still says that he was not acting aggressively toward police while authorities say he was breaking the law and deadly force was needed.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gun! Gun! Drop the gun! Drop the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) gun!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don't shoot him!

[06:20:02] GINGRAS (voice-over): Keith Lamont Scott's widow releasing cellphone video of her husband's final moments before he was fatally shot by a Charlotte police officer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the gun!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He doesn't have a gun.

GINGRAS: Insisting that Scott was not armed when officers opened fire.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Chief, chief, chief! Don't you do it.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Did you shoot him? Did you shoot him?

GINGRAS: Under mounting pressure from the public, Charlotte police releasing their own video a day later, including this dash-cam footage showing an officer, plain-clothesed, with his weapon drawn on Scott. You can see Scott exit his SUV and begins walking backwards towards police. Then Scott is shot at four times by Officer Brentley Vinson, who is off camera at the time.

JUSTIN BAMBERG, FAMILY ATTORNEY: There is no definitive evidence in this video as to whether or not there is an object in his hand and, if there is, what that object is.

GINGRAS: Also made public, body camera footage from an officer racing to the scene. In the chaos, you briefly see Scott with his right arm by his side. Moments later, he's lying on the ground with five officers converging on him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Handcuffs. Handcuffs. Handcuffs.

GINGRAS: None of the three videos show clearly whether Scott was armed. CHIEF KERR PUTNEY, CHARLOTTE-MECKLENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT: You have

to put all pieces together. We interviewed a lot of people. We've interviewed all of our officers involved, and the consistent themes were the facts.

GINGRAS: Police presenting photographs of a handgun, holster and marijuana cigarette that officers said they recovered from the scene.

Demonstrators swarming Bank of America Stadium Sunday. Activists boycotting the NFL Carolina Panthers game in protest of Scott's death.

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GINGRAS: And the protests have been peaceful over the weekend. That's why the city lifted the curfew. But Alisyn and Chris, we're hearing a sit-in is scheduled for later today, calling for the resignation of the mayor and police chief.

CUOMO: All right, Brynn, appreciate it. Let's bring back our panel now to talk about how police see race and the attendant issues in a situation like this may play into tonight's debate: Maeve Reston, Matt Lewis, Abby Phillip, David Gregory and David Chalian.

D. Gregory, you made a very interesting point about when this issue surfaces in political dialogue, it's not as much about the plan to fix it, where you often default as a journalist. It's about how you come across in terms of understanding the issue and the emotion or the empathy that's shown, as well. Explain.

GREGORY: Well, I think you have to communicate the complexity of this, which is African-Americans are going through these deadly encounters, and you have to be crazy not to acknowledge that there is something going on here. And, certainly, so many people in the population, African-Americans and others, feel like there is systemic racism that's being brought to bear in these encounters.

But our police also do a terrific job. And yes, there might be some who commit crimes in the act of -- of their jobs. But you can't know all of these facts for certain. You've got to wrestle with the complexity of this.

But something has to go on. A recognition about the proliferation of guns in an open carry state like North Carolina. The job that the police have, receive threats. And racism when it comes to dealing with the African-American community. I think Donald Trump has tried to be all over the place on this. Really, he's the law and order candidate, and he wants to, you know, speak to those aggrieved whites in the country and only recently have then been criticizing the police. And he's not been clear.

I think Hillary Clinton has had a more consistent message, but I think this is more about how you communicate this, how you're compassionate about it, using the bully pulpit, rather than a specific plan to deal with it.

RESTON: And so many times when Donald Trump has tried to address these issues. I mean, it's been a series of flubs that have really alienated a lot of those African-American voters, and he hasn't figured out a sharp message on this. And I think tonight it will be really important not just because it's not like we're looking at Donald Trump getting a lot of black voters to support him, but there are still many undecided voters and Republicans who are looking at him and saying, "Is he -- his rhetoric seems racist. And you know, can he handle these issues? Can he lead in these tumultuous times?"

CAMEROTA: So, Abby, he has to thread this needle, and we know that he did call for stop-and-frisk, at least in Chicago.

CUOMO: Where they already have it.

CAMEROTA: Controversial and has -- carries its own baggage. So what are you looking to hear tonight?

PHILLIP: I think Maeve's right. This is not -- I think this is, at this point, an issue that transcends race. It's a -- it's an issue that the entire country is aware of. They want someone to appear to at least understand the complexity of what's going on and show them a way forward.

Right now Donald Trump is here, there and everywhere. His campaign clearly hasn't sat down and thought this through, thought through where he wants to stand on these issues.

By contrast, the Clinton campaign has been working on this for over a year now. I mean, her dialogue on this issue has been nuanced for quite some time after a fitful start. Remember, when months ago, you know, she had Black Lives Matter protesters at her events. I mean, she didn't always start out at this place, but they put a lot of time into it. And Donald Trump hasn't done that. They need to do that tonight.

[06:25:19] CUOMO: A problem for Trump on an issue like this, Matt, you talked about this a lot during the primaries. He's a hammer, and a hammer sees everything as a nail. Race, police shootings, it's not a nail. It is layered, and you have to be careful. Do you think that's why he struggles with it and seems all over the place? It's just not something that he's good at?

LEWIS: Well, I also think Donald Trump lacks a coherent world view and hasn't thought -- hasn't been thinking through these issues for decades the way that Hillary Clinton has.

Look, I agree. It's a very nuanced and complex issue. But I think politics is about simplification, and it's about tribalism, sadly. And so while I expect Donald Trump will certainly pay some lip service to the complexity, I would hope he would. For him, this is a larger part of a cultural war.

And amongst a lot of Republican voters, there's a sense that we have turned against the police. The police have a very hard job to do, a very dangerous job to do; and we should reflectively be defending the police. Now, whether that's right or wrong, that's I think, where Donald Trump, his inclination is going to be. CAMEROTA: But David Chalian...

CHALIAN: Because Mike Pence tweeted last week, warning against this inherent bias and media bias against the police.

CAMEROTA: But doesn't Donald Trump also say, "That's nice, Hillary, that you've been thinking about these things for decades. Where are we? Where has that gotten us?"

GREGORY: Well, worse than that, how about the fact she, you know, referred to some African-Americans super-predators back in the crime bill in the 1990s?

CAMEROTA: Which she's apologized for.

GREGORY: Right. Doesn't mean he's not bring it up. And I think to Matt's point, these issues are -- they do tend to be bigger. It's kind of a reflective feeling about supporting the police but also looking at deficiencies in her own record.

PHILLIP: That would be, I think, all fine if Donald Trump hadn't a couple of days ago come out and said, with the Tulsa officer, "What was she thinking?"

GREGORY: Yes. That's right. "Did she choke?"

CUOMO: Before we even knew any of the facts. How's that supporting the police?

PHILLIP: The problem -- before we knew anything at all. The problem is, these are all things that Donald Trump has to answer for. He has to reconcile all of these things. And it would be one thing if he had just sort of taken the tribalism route, which I think everyone expected him to, but he's clearly not all there.

GREGORY: He is going to say to African-Americans watching tonight, "Look, you know full well that you rely on the police in your communities to deal with the violence in your midst." Say in Chicago, where in many ways law enforcement sources tell me you have the police kind of retreating. So he's going to make an argument that -- like "supporting the police is also something very important in your communities where there's too much violence, and a Democratic administration hasn't done enough to fight that."

CHALIAN: I would be shocked if this was not the major domestic policy issue.

CAMEROTA: That will be interesting to look at that. Panel, thank you very much for all of your insights.

So we do want to talk more about this, because do the police videos of Keith Lamont Scott's killing shed light on what really happened, or are they raising more questions? So up next, we have a former federal prosecutor who has looked that videos. She'll break down the facts with us.

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