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Trump Said Clinton Called TPP "Gold Standard"; Did Trump Say Climate Change Was Chinese Hoax?; Undecided Florida Voters Sound Off On Clinton's Performance; Did Debate Prep Make A Difference?; Clinton Puts Trump on Defense In First Debate. Aired 5:30-6a ET
Aired September 27, 2016 - 05:30 ET
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[05:32:05] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: The politicians talk and we check. That's the job and this debate had us working overtime. From the economy and TPP to climate change, who got it right and who was stretching the truth?
John Berman joins us now with a reality check. Let's get real.
JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Let's get real, Chris Cuomo. Donald Trump stretched the truth more than Hillary Clinton, that is real, but there were fact transgressions on both sides. Early in the debate Donald Trump accused Hillary Clinton of flip-flopping on the TPP, the Trans- Pacific Partnership. This is what he said.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You called it the gold standard.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, I hope --
TRUMP: You called it the gold standard of trade deals.
CLINTON: And you know what?
TRUMP: You said it's the finest deal you've ever seen.
CLINTON: No.
TRUMP: And then you heard what I said about it and all of a sudden you were against it.
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BERMAN: Let's sum up his claim right now. He says that she supported TPP but reversed only after Donald Trump criticized the deal. Now, Hillary Clinton's response was that she only supported it before she saw all the details, claiming she only hoped the deal was the gold standard.
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CLINTON: The facts are I did say I hoped it would be a good deal, but when it was negotiated --
TRUMP: Not.
CLINTON: -- which I was not responsible for, I concluded it wasn't.
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BERMAN: So what are the facts here? Let's discuss. Hillary Clinton did state that TPP was the gold standard and she did it on tape. This is what she said in an event in Australia in 2012.
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CLINTON: This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade. The kind of environment that has the rule of law in a level playing field.
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BERMAN: You'll notice no mention of the word hope there at all. So our verdict in this case, what Donald Trump said is true. His accusation she called TPP the gold standard is true. He's right.
Turning now, though, to Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton went after him on his stance on global warming.
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CLINTON: Donald thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. I think it's real.
TRUMP: I did not, I did not.
CLINTON: I think science is real --
TRUMP: I do not say that.
CLINTON: -- and I think it's --
TRUMP: I do not say that.
CLINTON: -- important that we grip this and deal with it, both at home and abroad.
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BERMAN: So let's sum up the claim there. Hillary Clinton claims that Donald Trump thinks global warming is a hoax, which you heard him deny. But, thanks to Twitter, folks, we know what Donald Trump said about this. And he referred to global warming as a hoax many, many times, including one, specifically, where he said that global warming was created by the Chinese as some kind of scheme to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
Now, he later said it was a joke. But if that's the case -- if he was joking he joked a lot because he tweeted it an awful lot there which seems unlikely -- which, in fact, seems untrue. So, our verdict is her statement, in this case, is true.
[05:35:00] For all of this -- all of CNN's reality checks -- you can go to our Website. It's right there, cnn.com/reality check. We'll have another round of reality checks coming to you next hour.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: John, that was great. You know, you only know something's a joke on Twitter if it says LOL.
BERMAN: Exactly.
CAMEROTA: All right? So there you go. Thanks so much for breaking that down for us. The race for the White House might come down, once again, to the state of Florida, so we asked 20 undecided voters in that critical swing state who won last night's debate and their answer was nearly unanimous. We'll show you what they said, next, on NEW DAY.
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CAMEROTA: So, what did undecided voters think about the debate? We assembled a group of them in the swing state of Florida. Were they swayed by either presidential candidate? CNN's Pamela Brown has more from Orlando.
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PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning, Chris and Alisyn. There was a clear winner in this group of 20 undecided voters here in this key battleground state of Florida and that winner was Hillary Clinton. Eighteen of the 20 undecided voters right behind me here felt like she had a better performance than Donald Trump.
[05:40:00] And this moment right here was one of her highest-rated moments in this group. Let's take a listen.
CLINTON: We have to restore trust between communities and the police. We have to work make sure that our police are using the best training, the best techniques. That they're well-prepared to use force only when necessary. Everyone should be respected by the law and everyone should respect the law.
BROWN: Let's get some reaction from these undecided voters about Hillary Clinton's performance. Let's start with you about her performance.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was prepared. I liked that she talked about criminal justice reform because that's one of my biggest issues right now.
BROWN: Chyna (ph), did you feel like you connected with her more?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I did. She kept to the point. She tried to stay within the time limit, where the other opponent kept interrupting her. And she -- I did like when she finally talked about the infrastructure, which I think is very important with the bridges, the power grid, the roads, because we have got to get that taken care of.
BROWN: And Donald Trump also had some high moments. Here was one of his.
TRUMP: When a person is on watch list or a no fly list -- and I have the endorsement of the NRA, which I'm very proud of. These are very, very good people and they're protecting the Second Amendment. But I think we have to look very strongly at no fly lists and watch lists.
BROWN: Before the debate you were leaning toward Donald Trump. After the debate you're leaning toward Hillary Clinton. Why so?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think in this debate Hillary had -- was more consistent in her message. She had solid evidence, she has a plan in action. And Donald Trump did not come prepared for this -- for this debate where he didn't have that material with him. He just kept referring to numbers.
BROWN: And you were nodding your head?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh yes, I agree. I feel like Donald Trump didn't answer very many questions. He was all about being in Clinton's face, if you will, and it just -- it wasn't appealing at all.
BROWN: All right, so let's get a show of hands. After this debate, who now knows who they're going to vote for? Is that Hillary Clinton? Anyone for Donald Trump? Anyone who is still undecided -- still has no idea who they're going to vote for come November? All right, so a majority of you all still undecided after this first debate. Two more debates to go. Still a lot to learn about these candidates -- Alisyn and Chris.
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CAMEROTA: All right, Pam, thanks so much for that. They're still undecided. I mean, they still have a little bit of time but they're undecided after last night.
CUOMO: That was pretty surprising, I have to say.
CAMEROTA: And you didn't see any hands afterwards that they knew definitively that they would vote for Donald Trump.
We have a quick programming note for you. President Obama is going to sit down with Jake Tapper for a CNN town hall to talk about his legacy and the issues facing U.S. veterans. That is Wednesday night at 9:00 p.m.
CUOMO: All right. Now, you heard something from those undecided voters last night -- being prepared. There was this spin going into the debate that Donald Trump -- he doesn't need to prepare like Hillary Clinton. He's not some practiced automaton. It didn't work for him last night, preparation mattered. Clinton played it to advantage. How did it play out last night? We'll take you through it. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[05:47:45] CUOMO: To be honest, an I.D. drip of caffeine would be more appropriate --
CAMEROTA: It would be better. Maybe can arrange that during the commercial break.
CUOMO: -- after a long night, but it was worth it because boy, there's only one first and last night this debate was the first time we saw Clinton and Trump toe-to-toe and they had very different approaches. In one word, preparation. Clinton prepped, she talked about it last night, and it was very obvious. Just as obvious was Trump's lack of preparation. He thought it would come in at making him loose -- come in as a virtue. Maybe not so much.
Let's discuss with CNN political commentator and Hillary Clinton supporter, Hilary Rosen. And CNN political commentator, talk radio host for KABC, and Donald Trump supporter, John Phillips.
There was a moment last night where Hillary Clinton looked at Donald Trump, which didn't happen that often last night -- where she looked directly at him and she said I did prepare for this, John, and you know what else I prepared for? Being President of the United States.
The assumption was I'm going to be loose. I'm not like this robot. Clinton is going to come on here with all her prepped answers. It didn't seem to pay off. What was your take?
JOHN PHILLIPS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, he's selling a very different product than she is. She's saying look, I'm the steady hand of government. I've been around a long time. I was first lady, I was a U.S. senator, I was Secretary of State, I'm the Democratic nominee. He's saying I'm the outsider businessman.
I think that goes almost to the issue of temperament that he brought up towards the end of the debate. He's saying look, I have the temperament of someone who's going to go to Washington, D.C. with very little patience and I'm going to try to change things in a very dramatic way.
CAMEROTA: There was one moment that Hillary Clinton did not seem prepared for -- one answer -- and that was what have you accomplished? You've thought about these things for 30 years but what exactly do you accomplish? So let's play that moment.
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TRUMP: You've been doing this for 30 years. Why are you just thinking about these solutions right now? For 30 years you've been doing it and now you're just starting to think of solutions.
CLINTON: Well, actually --
TRUMP: I will bring it -- excuse me. I will bring back jobs. You can't bring back jobs. CLINTON: Well, actually, I have thought about this quite a bit --
TRUMP: Yes, for 30 years.
CLINTON: -- and I have -- well, not quite that long. I think my husband did a pretty good job in the 1990s. I think a lot about what worked and how we can make it work again.
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[05:50:00] CAMEROTA: What do you think about that response? How well her husband did instead of what she had done for 30 years.
HILARY ROSEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, it was an opportunity, I think, to talk about what she had done in the Senate, and I think she would have gotten there. I think she actually -- that was the one moment in the debate Ithought she might have been thrown off a little bit because, of course, she hasn't been in office for 30 years. And so you could almost sense whether she was trying --
CAMEROTA: Did she miss an opportunity there?
ROSEN: -- to decide whether to correct him --
CUOMO: Did she miss or she doesn't have a huge signature issue --
ROSEN: Oh, she --
CUOMO: -- that she can hang her hat on?
ROSEN: She does have signature issues. She has significant accomplishments in the Senate, whether it -- and she has significant accomplishments when she was first lady and as Secretary of State. But I -- what they were talking about were -- was the economy, and I think that what she was saying is this is prospective. And she hasn't actually been that involved in the domestic economy in the last couple of years.
CAMEROTA: But do you consider that a missed opportunity there that she didn't say let me tell you what I've accomplished in 30 years?
ROSEN: No, I think that the most important piece for her in that moment was to undermine his attitude about what he had done because he is out there saying I've done this, I can do this, my business experience shows it. And she had a lot to say on his business experience.
CUOMO: She did. Let's play a little bit of the sound last night. Hillary Clinton using Donald Trump's business experience as a window into what might not be good about it.
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CLINTON: We have an architect in the audience who designed one of your clubhouses at one of your golf courses. It's a beautiful facility. It immediately was put to use. And you wouldn't pay what the man needed to be paid -- what he was charging you --
TRUMP: Maybe he didn't do a good job and I was unsatisfied with his work --
CLINTON: Well, do --
TRUMP: -- which our country should do, too.
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CUOMO: Notorious, he is, for pondelling (ph) with his different vendors that he uses and things. What does this mean in terms of the image of Donald Trump?
PHILLIPS: I don't think that's her most effective line of attack on him. If you go back to that "ABC" poll that just came out, voters trust him on the economy. So anytime she ties him to that businessman label I think that helps him.
CUOMO: Quick follow-up on this. There was something that came up last night that I really -- I'd never thought of before. She says we don't know what's in your taxes. Maybe you don't pay many taxes. He says that makes me smart or something to that affect.
ROSEN: That makes me smart. He was bragging on not actually paying taxes.
CUOMO: But it's an interesting concept, Hilary -- here's why. Nobody wants to pay a penny more than you absolutely have to when it comes to taxes, right? I mean, you know, be honest with yourselves. We all say --
ROSEN: But here's the problem, Chris.
CUOMO: Well, hold on, this is what my question is for you, John. Is there a responsibility to do something to add to society? When you are of the super wealthy, taking him at his own word, the idea that he would pay nothing. Is there something wrong about that to you?
PHILLIPS: Well, I think, as you said, most Americans would do that if they could. And that's something that with all the loopholes that we have and the tax system as complicated as it is, it's not uncommon among rich people.
CUOMO: But most are just getting by, John. This is why. When you say --
PHILLIPS: Yes.
CUOMO: -- to somebody who is making $42,000 a year or $50,000 a year and they have got three kids -- they need that. Super wealthy paying zero --
ROSEN: And they don't have access to the loopholes. I mean, that's the key issue. They don't have access to the huge amount of depreciation, for instance, you get if you invest in real estate as opposed to if you're working minimum wage salary. So --
CAMEROTA: So it is a rigged system for some.
ROSEN: It is a rigged system. But here's the -- the other point is first, he's complaining about how high taxes are and how all everybody talks to him about is how many -- how much they have to pay taxes, and his tax plan is to reduce taxes. And then, of course, he admits that he, himself, doesn't pay taxes, so which is it? I don't think he can have it both ways. And I think that this is actually going to come back to haunt him over the next couple of days. You don't -- you don't brag on not contributing to your country. You don't brag on cheating people out of pay.
CUOMO: I don't know. John makes an interesting point, too, about what people really want. We'll see how it plays out. Thank you.
CAMEROTA: Hilary, John, thank you.
PHILLIPS: Thank you.
CUOMO: All right. So, we have a lot of coverage. We've barely scratched the surface of what was said last night and would could have a big impact on this election. Big issues about race, big issues about how to make this country come together. Who got it right, who didn't, when NEW DAY returns.
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CLINTON: Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. You know what elseI prepared for? To be president.
TRUMP: She doesn't have the look, she doesn't have the stamina.
CLINTON: As soon as he travels to 112 countries or even spends 11 hours testifying, he can talk to me about stamina.
TRUMP: I will bring back jobs. It's going to be a beautiful thing.
CLINTON: We tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed.
TRUMP: I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate. I think I did a good job.
CLINTON: Why won't he release his tax returns?
TRUMP: Why did she delete 33,000 emails?
CLINTON: I have a feeling that by the end of this evening I'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened.
TRUMP: Why not?
CLINTON: Why not? Yes, why not?
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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.
CUOMO: Good morning, welcome to your NEW DAY. It's Tuesday, September 27th, 6:00 in the East.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump finally face-to-face in their first presidential debate. Wow, it was worth the wait. It lived up to the hype. Clinton's jabs had Trump playing defense much of the time but he certainly gave as good as he got. There were big issues discussed -- racism, sexism. Trump painted Clinton as a typical politician, calling her out for 30 years of bad experience.
CAMEROTA: We know what you're asking this morning, who won? A new CNN post-debate poll shows it was a big night for Clinton. Coming up, we will speak to a panel of voters -- there they are now. Hello, voters, thank you for being here. How did the debate affect their choice for president? A couple of them are undecided. We'll see how they feel this morning.
We have it all covered for you. Let's begin with CNN's Phil Mattingly. Hi, Phil.
