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What Body Language Reveals About The Candidates?; Trump Invites Clinton Accusers To Debate; Trump Threatens To "Jail" Clinton If He's Elected; Is Breitbart Influencing Trump's Campaign? Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired October 10, 2016 - 06:30   ET

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: -- from how they moved and what does it tell about their inner truth? We have an expert who analyzed it. We're going to hear.

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: The town hall format at last night's debate gave Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton free rein to move around the stage and engage real voters. It provided some awkward confrontations between the two.

Here to walk us through it, we have body language expert and president of the Body Language Institute, Janine Driver. Janine, great to have you back.

JANINE DRIVER, PRESIDENT, BODY LANGUAGE INSTITUTE: Nice to be back.

CAMEROTA: There was a lot of material for you to dissect last night. Let's start with what people described as Trump sort of hovering and lurking in the back of the stage. Right here. She's talking and he's kind of moving around.

DRIVER: This is very interesting, Alisyn, because look what happens, Hillary is going to his side of the stage and she's standing in front of him. What he's going to do, sit down, go to her seat? So he begins to hover.

He's not a typical politician. Usually they sit when they're not speaking. She's on his side of the stage. I think this is strategic. How do you interrupt someone that is in front of you?

It's like school teachers, when two kids are whispering, what's a school teacher do? Walks closer to the kids while speaking? The kids stop talking.

[06:35:03]This strategy is really smart. Did Trump interrupt at all when she was standing in front of him? Not once.

CAMEROTA: But whose power move was it?

DRIVER: That's her power move.

CAMEROTA: Walk to his side and it was his power move, though, to walk closer to her. DRIVER: Well, he starts to create some distance while she's over there. You see that pacing and he even turned around a couple times. When you move your body, you move your mind. More confessions in law enforcement walking from a jail cell to the interrogation room and back.

Why do people exercise? To decrease stress. He's decreasing stress by doing all that movement. It is also, though, a pre-assault indicator.

So at some parts of watching last night, I was really getting nervous because she is in his space. He's like a dog who is starting to get anxious and being backed in a corner. So I had a little anxiety during these moments.

CAMEROTA: Fascinating. Let's talk about the hand shake. At the outset, no hand shake. They just came up and nodded at each other and then at the end, let's watch. First, what did you think here?

DRIVER: She snubbed him here. He looks at her three seconds longer. She turns away first. He was going to shake her hand if she offered first, she didn't. We knew that wasn't going to happen and it didn't happen. No surprises.

CAMEROTA: At the end, after they've attacked each other and then they do shake each other's hands, there you go. What did you see here?

DRIVER: This is the opposite of what we talked about last time in the debate. Last time, Hillary Clinton walked to his side of the stage and she shook his hand and he was in control. This time you noticed, she must have been watching the show because she did not leave her part of the stage, he walked to her. He even extended his hand out.

I will say when she hook it, he did that elbow grab. I might be cowering down and shaking your hand and giving you power, but I'll take a little power back with that elbow grab.

CAMEROTA: Interesting. OK, there was more that we heard the first time around of Trump sniffing. His sniffing was caught on audio. Let's listen to this for a minute.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There's never been anybody in the history of politics in the history of this nation that has been so abusive to women. So you can say any way you want to say it. I didn't think I would say this, but I'm going to say it and I hate to say it and we're going to have a special prosecutor. You're right about Islamophobia, that a shame?

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CAMEROTA: OK, what is that?

DRIVER: Well, first of all, I watched "The Apprentice" and I can't remember him sniffing nonstop during "The Apprentice." So I find this fascinating. Typically this is an increase in stress. The problem is I'm looking for clusters. My specialty is detecting deception.

Those sniffs did not coincide with like his micro expressions of contempt we saw throughout the night. It's a smirk. The only unilateral on our face. The sniffs didn't happen there.

The sniffs didn't happen when Hillary was attacking him. Last time he said he didn't have a cold and I said he probably should say he has a cold because maybe he's stressed through the entire debate although he was way more prepared this time.

CUOMO: Janine, you always teach us something with these body language segments. Thanks so much for analyzing it and coming in -- Chris.

CUOMO: Nice to see neither of you chose to take power back during that shake.

Hillary Clinton may have won the debate according to CNN's poll, but did she miss an opportunity to really deal with what Trump said he likes to do to women? We're going to discuss with a Clinton supporter, next.

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CUOMO: The same polling that had Clinton winning the first debate, Mike Pence winning the VP debate has Hillary Clinton winning, again, last night. That is the result of our scientific poll.

However, the fact that people in that poll say that Donald Trump survived even over performed, exceeded expectations raises the question of whether or not Hillary Clinton gave him a pass on what he said on that tape all those years ago.

Let's discuss with Democratic Senator Chris Coons, a Clinton supporter. What do you think of that notion?

SEN. CHRIS COONS (D), DELAWARE: Well, Chris, I don't think she gave him a pass. I think she was measured, she was focused and she was forceful. What I do think she did was connect what he said in that tape 11 years ago, the horrible, misogynistic, sort of championing sexual assaults comments he made in that tape, with everything else he has said as a candidate.

She reminded us that he can't just apologize for what he incorrectly claims as locker room talk. I don't know about you, I have been in plenty of locker rooms when I played high school sports and I don't remember anyone bragging about sexual assault.

CUOMO: Yes, right, but I mean, he's using it as an excuse. The guy was sitting in an interview mic'd with cameras around. He wasn't in a locker room. Everybody gets that point.

COONS: He wasn't in a locker room.

CUOMO: It wasn't about this. Was it about the women who he brought last night? These women from Bill Clinton's past that Trump wanted to have in his family box. Ironically, this same group of women Donald Trump dismissed as an ugly bunch of accusers back when this was actually happening in our political history.

He said that it was wrong for Clinton to be impeached and all of this was wrong to be done to Hillary Clinton. There they are. Did that have a chilling effect on your candidate?

COONS: You know what I think Secretary Clinton was determined to do last night was focus on policy and focus on giving clear and concise answers about how she will make us stronger and safer in the world.

Donald Trump instead picked a fight with his running mate and suggested that he really has no idea on how to defeat ISIS and gave answers on a whole range of issues from economic policy and how to make us safer in the world that left me wondering how any credible Republican candidate for Senate can remain a public Donald Trump supporter.

CUOMO: What did you make of this moment?

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TRUMP: We're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it because, you know what, people have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing one fifth of what you've done.

[06:45:09]And it's a disgrace. And, honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

CLINTON: Everything he just said is absolutely false, but I'm not surprised. Go to hillaryclinton.com, we have literally Trump. You can fact check him in real time. It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.

TRUMP: Because you'd be in jail.

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CUOMO: Your response.

COONS: Chris, that's unbelievable. As a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, I've traveled to and I had to work with countries where threatening to jail and then actually jailing your political opponent is common practice. That's what dictators do.

That's not what candidates for the presidency in a democracy do. And I think this was, in some ways, his most irresponsible moment of the night as he continues to undermine respect for the rule of law.

The Republican director of the FBI has thoroughly investigated this issue and has chosen not to pursue any charges because there aren't any chargeable offenses here.

For him to suggest that somehow this e-mail matter needs to be re- referred to a new special prosecutor and that she should be jailed as he has repeatedly urged in his rallies.

I think undermines respect for the rule of law and it's the sort of thing we see in the developing world and not here in the United States.

CUOMO: Hillary Clinton did not take Donald Trump on point for point with his e-mail allegations last night. Why?

COONS: Because there were so many other things that he said that needed and deserved forceful response and, frankly, because I think the idea that this was a measured debate where both sides were point for point engaging in a thoughtful discussion was clearly not the case from the opening lines.

CUOMO: But do you think that she could have helped herself by saying, hey, what you just said about me deleting after the subpoena. That's not how it worked. That's adjust lie or do you think that her team has decided it's baked in. This issue with Hillary Clinton. You can't defend the e-mails. You're not going to make any ground with the people who believe it.

COONS: It may be that as the case with so many other things he says that are just not true. That they've concluded that folks have made up their mind one way or another and it's more important to have a measured and level debate on her side that reinforces.

That she has the temperament and the knowledge and the policies that would lead to us being safer and stronger and that he clearly lacks the temperament and any coherent policy positions.

CUOMO: Nine days until the final debate. We'll see what changes between now and then. Senator Coons, appreciate you being on NEW DAY as always -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK, Chris, the debate moderators including CNN's Anderson Cooper were in the crosshairs during the debate. How important was their role and how did they do? Our media experts discuss, next.

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CUOMO: All right, last night's debate is being called the ugliest debate ever. And while Trump went after Clinton hard, he also took on the moderators. Our own Anderson Cooper and ABC's Martha Raddatz. Here's a taste.

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MARTHA RADDATZ, MODERATOR: Mr. Trump, I want to get to audience questions and online questions.

TRUMP: So, she's allowed to do that, but I'm not allowed to respond.

RADDATZ: You're going to get to respond right now.

TRUMP: Sounds fair. Sounds fair.

ANDERSON COOPER, MODERATOR: Please allow her to respond. She didn't talk while you talked.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, that's true. I didn't.

TRUMP: Because you have nothing to say. Nice to one on three. Thank you.

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CUOMO: One on three, Donald Trump said. Once again, he's the victim. Let's discuss, CNN senior media correspondent and host of "RELIABLE SOURCES," Brian Stelter, and CNN media analyst, Bill Carter. Does Trump have a case? Were they against him last night, Brian Stelter?

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: I felt the same way when I watched Lester Holt moderate. Trump interrupted more often and he lied more often. So it did require more involvement by the moderators. I thought it made sense to have Anderson and Martha both speaking up when necessary.

CAMEROTA: I was a little confused, though, about the response rules. It was hard for me to figure out what it was. Each one said something and they would interject and then the moderators would say, go ahead and then they would interject with that. So it was a little bit hard to know who should be speaking.

BILL CARTER, CNN MEDIA ANALYST: It wasn't really organized like that and it wasn't much of a town hall, to be honest, because people didn't ask that many questions. He actually had more time on the air.

CUOMO: So 40 minutes and 10 seconds to 39 minutes. Many people on social media have these wild miscalculations of time. He got 40 minutes. She got 39, that's math.

STELTER: The Trump campaign is focusing on this putting out a video saying the moderators failed, saying it was three on one. It seemed to me what Anderson and Martha were trying to do rightfully was to press Trump for news and information. Get some facts on the record about his taxes, about whether he viewed his comments on that tape as sexual assault.

That very first question, Anderson was saying, as a fact, what you were describing is sexual assault. Trump refused to acknowledge that fact. It's a symbol of his refusal throughout this campaign to acknowledge basic facts.

CARTER: I mean, you could argue the moderators could have gone at him completely hammering, hammering that. It was the biggest story of the week. It wasn't really an unfairness thing. They had to address it.

CUOMO: It went, though, right out of the box by bringing back the Breitbart, you know, having the women, the former accusers there. He wanted them in his family box. The same women that he called an ugly group of accusers back when this was happening, but there they were last night. Did that give Trump the cover he needed by keeping Clinton a little bit off balance when it came to --

CARTER: I think it did in this sense. She had gone in thinking about the Michelle Obama thing about don't go low, go high. So now you are in the position of are we going to do this? Are we going to get in this?

So I do think she backed off from that probably a plan maybe that was a smart plan because I don't think she could win on that to continually fight him on that issue.

CUOMO: Brian, what about the stagecraft of just having them there for the cutaways. And, I mean, when she comes out, Hillary Clinton comes out having to confront them or know that they were there.

STELTER: I'm speechless about it to be honest with you. This felt like a coordinated effort between Breitbart.com and the Trump campaign. I remember the head of Breitbart is now the head of the Trump campaign.

On Sunday morning, the website released interviews of (inaudible) and the other accusers and then Sunday night there they were at the debate, at the event.

Trump even produced a pregame show by having them at that photo-op an hour before hand and you had to see what was going to happen during the debate. Trump was clearly taking to his base last night and solidifying his base.

He was referring to conservative media means. Jonathan Grover about Obamacare, Sidney Blumenthal, these were names that most Americans don't know about or care about but conservative media devotes do.

If Trump loses this election, he sure looked like great host for a Trump TV network.

CAMEROTA: That was a pilot.

CARTER: Breitbart had a headline it's us against them. The message was out there before the moderators. It was us against them. That's all the conservatives believe in. The media is always against them and that they felt played out last night.

CUOMO: When he started walking around last night, it really did feel like it was an "SNL" sketch. You know, life imitating art. Let's play what happened on "SNL" this week.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I deeply apologize.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you trying to say apologize?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I would never do that. What am I doing is apologizing to all the people who were offended by my statements. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But, Mr. Trump, why would you say these horrible things in the first place?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, Brooke, I was trying to look cool, I mean, what normal red blooded American doesn't want to impress the Billy Bush?

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STELTER: Billy Bush, by the way, now suspended by NBC for his comments on that tape.

CAMEROTA: What about that? Let's talk about that so he's not going to have a job any more at NBC because of this -- this is from many years ago. Billy Bush came out and said I am ashamed and embarrassed of what I said.

STELTER: That's right, a very forthright apology. My sense from NBC sources is that he will probably not be back on the "Today" show but for now he's only suspended.

CARTER: But it is an interesting thing to think. He is suspended or perhaps fired for what he said. The other guy is running still to be the head of the free world despite what he said.

CAMEROTA: That juxtaposition is just striking.

STELTER: Two questions I have after last night. Number one, are there more tapes? We don't know if there are more tapes like the one from 2005 not only from "Access Hollywood" but other sources. My second question is, what about the third debate? I would have thought Trump might have saved these Bill Clinton accusers for the final debate. He has already played that.

CUOMO: You got an answer, though, last night. Hillary Clinton took him on, on none of the allegations that he made against her.

CARTER: Right.

CUOMO: Personal in nature. Most would say, it's wrong. Go look at my website. Do you think she's seeding that ground that her campaign says, you will not win anyone over if they believe any of this stuff?

CARTER: I don't think she is in the same position. Does she need to win over that audience? He needed to win a new audience. He played to his base. She played it safe. She's playing to prevent defense I think now. That's the way I interpreted it anyway. She's not really being aggressive because she doesn't think she has to be.

CAMEROTA: Brian, Bill, thank you.

CUOMO: Here is one thing that is true, we have never seen anything like what happened last night. Let's get to the coverage.

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TRUMP: I'm not proud of it, but this is locker room talk. I hate it, but it's locker room talk.

CLINTON: We have seen him insult women, rape women, embarrass women. This is who Donald Trump is.

TRUMP: If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse. Mine are words and his was action.

CLINTON: Everything he just said is absolutely false.

TRUMP: You think it was fine to delete 33,000 e-mails. I don't think so.

CLINTON: I would like to get to the questions.

TRUMP: And get off this question.

CLINTON: OK, Donald, anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it is exploding and the way Republicans are leaving you.

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CAMEROTA: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY. Up first, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump taking very personal shots at each other in last night's debate in what is being called the ugliest presidential debate in American history. Clinton hitting Trump over that bombshell video saying his vulgar comments about women reveal exactly who he is.

CUOMO: We expected this to be ugly and yet it was still disappointing. Trump pacing the stage and ignoring questions as anything other than opportunities to attack the Clintons. He actually had the nerve to say she is the one with tremendous hate in her heart.

He threatened to jail her if he is elected. We're now nine days until the final debate and people are voting right now and there are only 29 days to the big Election Day.

We have it all covered. Let's begin with CNN's Manu Raju live in St. Louis, the scene of the crime.

MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: Hey, Chris. Actually, we knew this debate was going to be nasty, even before it began. That's when Donald Trump had a photo opportunity with reporters and brought along several women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct from the 1990s.

And then when the two candidates got on the stage, they did not even shake hands, then the insults began, and then Donald Trump was asked about that "Access Hollywood" video that has essentially blown up --