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Trump, Clinton Clash in Ugliest Debate Yet. Aired 7-7:30a ET

Aired October 10, 2016 - 07:00   ET

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MANU RAJU, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And then when the two candidates got on the state, they did not even shake hands.

[07:00:06] Then the insults began. And then Donald Trump was asked about that "Access Hollywood" video that blew -- that has essentially blown up his campaign, and while he apologized, he also dismissed it.

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RAJU (voice-over): Donald Trump entered last night's debate with one major goal: to end the crisis engulfing his campaign after a tape of his vulgar remarks about groping women from 2005 was uncovered.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: This was locker-room talk. I'm not proud of it. I apologize to my family. I apologize to the American people.

RAJU: CNN's Anderson Cooper pressing Trump over his crude comments about forcing himself on women. Trump denying he ever actually did that.

TRUMP: I have great respect for women. Nobody has more respect for women than I do.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: So, for the record, you're saying that you never did that?

TRUMP: Frankly, you hear these things, they're said. And I was embarrassed by it, but I have tremendous respect for women.

COOPER: Have you ever done those things?

TRUMP: And women have respect for me. And I will tell you-- no, I have not.

RAJU: Hillary Clinton linking the tape to his past controversial rhetoric.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I said starting back in June that he was not fit to be president and commander in chief. This is who Donald Trump is. But it's not only women, and it's not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. Because he has also targeted immigrants, African- Americans, Latinos, people with disabilities, POWs, Muslims and so many others. RAJU: And as he long threatened, Trump rehashed old Clinton

controversies, bringing to the debate three women who accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct in the 1990s.

TRUMP: If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse. Mine are words, and his was action.

CLINTON: I am reminded of what my friend Michelle Obama advised us all: "When they go low, you go high."

RAJU: And Trump, in an extraordinary remark, threatening to jail Clinton if he becomes president, over her handling of classified material on her private e-mail server as secretary of state.

TRUMP: If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation.

CLINTON: It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.

TRUMP: Because you'd be in jail.

RAJU: Trump frequently interrupting Clinton throughout the heated exchange.

CLINTON: It's just not true, and so please go...

TRUMP: You didn't delete them?

COOPER: Allow her to respond, please.

CLINTON: Those were personal e-mails, not official.

TRUMP: Oh, 33,000? Yes, right.

CLINTON: Well, we turned over 35,000, so...

TRUMP: Oh, yes, what about the 15,000?

COOPER: Please allow her to respond. She didn't talk while you talked.

RAJU: Clinton becoming visibly frustrated.

CLINTON: OK, Donald. I know you're into big diversion tonight. Anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it's exploding, and the way Republicans are leaving you.

RAJU: Trump at times seemingly uncomfortable, pacing around the stage and hovering over Clinton, the billionaire admitting that he wrote off nearly $1 billion in losses and didn't pay federal income taxes in some years.

COOPER: Did you use that $916 million loss to avoid paying personal federal income taxes?

TRUMP: Of course I do. Of course I do.

RAJU: Trump making a stunning admission when pressed about Governor Mike Pence, flatly contradicting his running mate's call to use military force in Syria.

TRUMP: He and I haven't spoken, and I disagree. I disagree.

MARTHA RADDATZ, DEBATE MODERATOR: You disagree with your running mate?

TRUMP: I think you have to knock out ISIS.

RAJU: Clinton found herself on the defensive, as well, over leaked transcripts of her speeches to banks, including one where she talked about having different positions publicly and privately.

CLINTON: As I recall, that was something I said about Abraham Lincoln. President Lincoln was trying to convince some people; he used some arguments. Convincing other people, he used other arguments.

TRUMP: She lied. Now she's blaming the lie on the late, great Abraham Lincoln. That's one that I haven't heard.

RAJU: The ugly tone of this debate was started with the candidates refusing to shake hands. Ended by both sharing what they respect about each other.

CLINTON: His children are incredibly able and devoted, and I think that says a lot about Donald.

TRUMP: She doesn't quit. She doesn't give up. I respect that. I tell it like it is. She's a fighter.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

RAJU: Now, the question is whether or not Donald Trump has actually stopped the bleeding and will prevent more Republicans from jumping ship. Later this morning, House Republicans are gathering on a conference call to discuss Donald Trump -- Chris.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN HOST: All right, Manu.

[07:05:05] So who won last night's debate? Obviously, it's all about opinion. We did commission a poll, and according to it, 57-34, Clinton won. This the same poll that said she won the first debate. It's the same poll that said Pence won the V.P. debate.

Now, interestingly, within the poll, women 2-1 said she win -- won. Half of men watching agreed. That's unusual.

There's some good news for Trump, as well. Sixty-three percent of debate watchers say he exceeded their expectations; 39 percent felt the same about Clinton.

We should point out that the sample is over-weighted Democratic. But, again, the same method had Pence winning the V.P. debate.

CAMEROTA: All right. So let's bring in our panel of CNN political commentators. Scottie -- Scottie Nell Hughes is a Trump supporter and a political editor at RightAlert.com. Christine Quinn is a Hillary Clinton supporter and a vice chair of the New York state Democratic Party. And Ana Navarro is a Republican strategist who says she will write in her mom for president.

OK, ladies, great to have all of you here. Ana, let me start with you. What did you think of Trump's excuse for all the vulgarity that we heard on that leaked audiotape where he says that was locker-room talk?

CUOMO: And was your mother born in America?

ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Let me tell you something. My mother is very nervous about me writing her in. I think I've gotten her about -- about 300 votes so far, and I think she -- I think she thinks she could win, and it's making her very nervous.

CAMEROTA: Anything's possible.

NAVARRO: So sorry, Mom. Hope you're sleeping.

Look, what did I think about him saying that it's locker-room talk? What else is he going to say? The bottom line: it's not -- it's not locker-room talk. I mean, I don't think that anybody sees Donald Trump or looks at Donald Trump thinks he's been in a locker-room at any time in the recent history.

And, you know, he's 59 years old. He is a businessman. He is somebody that is known all over America. He's got certain standards to meet. And now he's running for the highest office in the land.

This is not locker-room talk. This was the talk of an adult male with another adult male. It was reprehensible. It is repugnant, and it is unacceptable.

CAMEROTA: Christine.

CHRISTINE QUINN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I have to tell you, I got so many calls since this tape came out from men that I'm friends with and men that I work with, saying, "No, you know, I was on a team. I went through college. I went -- you know, high school."

CAMEROTA: They don't buy that it was locker-room talk?

QUINN: Actually, they were offended. They actually said, "The next time you're on CNN, please say this isn't how men talk in a locker room. Why is he saying that? It's taking everyone down, and it's not true."

And it's, again, I think Donald Trump just trying to divert. Just trying to make it like nothing is a big deal. But he talked about having and wanting to grope women in their genitals without permission, and that he gets to do this because he's a star. That's outrageous. It's admitting sexual assault and admitting that you want to commit more of it.

CUOMO: Tough duty for you, Scottie, but what did you hear in his apology that was enough for you to be here today defending the proposition?

SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: And I defended that night, because it was 11 years ago. I don't defend his words. I don't defend, actually, what he said. Those are undefensible [SIC].

But we're looking at that was 11 years ago, compared to the actions of the last few years of Hillary Clinton. Sure. They were very vulgar, but Hillary Clinton's actions you just cannot defend over her track record and what they're going to do for the future.

I'm a little bit different. I looked at last night after you get over the initial 30 minutes and you finish talking about the elephant on the stage, I actually thought it was a great debate. And for one of the first times we were able to see clear policy and the difference between the two candidates on issues like Syria, taxes, those -- those communities that need revitalization.

I actually thought it was probably one of the best debates we've had yet amongst the primary, because we were able to actually draw clear lines between the two. And like I said, I love how it ended on a high note. They didn't come in shaking hands, but it was neat to see that, when it finished, they did show up as friends. I think that's a good thing.

CAMEROTA: But Ana, what did you think of the tactic that Donald Trump used where beforehand he had the Facebook live with the Bill Clinton accusers from the 1990s, and then he had them in the audience? He had hoped, according to "The Washington Post," to have them in his family box seated next to his children, but the debate commission said no. But there they were in the audience for Hillary Clinton to have to basically confront.

NAVARRO: I think it's one of the grossest things that we have seen in American history. Donald Trump is not only one of the grossest men to ever run for U.S. president, he is one of the grossest men, period.

And look, his supporters may like what he did. I think they wanted him to hit and to hit hard and don't mind that he hits below the belt. But it certainly is not going to win him votes with anybody else. And he needs to get more votes than just his core, staunch supporters.

I was flabbergasted. I knew in my head that he was going to go there. I had said it earlier in the morning on TV. He'd been signaling that all week. And yet, when I saw it, it just made me, you know, it made me so sad for America. It made me so sad for the democratic process. That this man on his own has taken it down the gutter and cheapened it and coarsened it to this level is really disgusting and something that should sadden all of us, if we believe in democracy and love our country.

[07:10:18] CUOMO: Scottie, you're shaking your head. You know, what I thought was odd about it, just you know, so people remember, Donald Trump condemned these women as ugly accusers, said the impeachment process of Clinton was wrong. Many years after it was going on, he kept defending Clinton, saying it was wrong; Hillary shouldn't have dealt with this. These accusations are nothing. These women -- and, you know, he denigrated them. And then they show up last night. Do you see hypocrisy in that?

HUGHES: But let's remember why we're having this conversation to begin with.

QUINN: Because he discussed sexually assaulting women.

CUOMO: Well, why do -- why you think?

HUGHES: First of all, because Hillary Clinton. Don't sit there and complain when you pour out a bucket of snakes and you're the one that gets bit. Don't complain about it. She's the one that started this.

You know, Mr. Trump always said, "I wanted to talk about policies in the first debate." He tried to stick with it. She took it to the middle-school route by introducing the drama.

Now you have this where he started off at the very beginning -- hold on. He started off from the very beginning saying, "You know what? We're going to cut this right now. You have no place to be talking about my background. Let's talk about your background." And those four women right there, I guarantee people woke up this morning during the debate. They searched. And generations -- the younger generations that might not know the stories that those women went through, they Googled it. They found it out. It served his purpose very well.

And she was, obviously, very -- she was obviously very shaken by it, and properly so.

QUINN: The snake charmer in all of this is, to use Scottie's reference, is Donald Trump. It started because he got on a bus with Billy Bush and others -- I saw no pictures of Hillary Clinton on that bus. -- and said vile, reprehensible, potentially illegal things, that he wanted to commit illegal acts. That's what started this.

And let's remember at the first debate, Donald Trump had an epic fail. There was attempts to talk about great substance, and he had an epic fail. He didn't need to win last night. He needed to survive and put...

CUOMO: But Clinton did bring up Machado.

HUGHES: Exactly. And that side of it.

QUINN: But at the very end, he had a whole, let's say, hour and 20 minutes to talk about substance, and he couldn't. He was tongue-tied. He couldn't get policy out.

HUGHES: Because she put him off his base from the very beginning. He was not going to allow that to happen.

QUINN: So she was a good debater.

HUGHES: Because she's a politician.

QUINN: No. She's a good debater, because she's a smart-as-anything women with experience.

HUGHES: As a politician.

QUINN: Let's be clear.

And also, you talked about this comment being 11 years ago. He wasn't 12, 11 years ago. He was 59.

And as Hillary said last night, if this was the only sexist or discriminatory thing he'd said, you'd say, "You know what? He had a bad day. He got carried away."

NAVARRO: Let me weigh in here.

QUINN: He has a history, a history.

CAMEROTA: Go ahead, Ana.

NAVARRO: Christine, I disagree with you this morning. Donald Trump is no snake charmer. He is downright a snake.

QUINN: I'm with you.

NAVARRO: He crawls through the mud on his underbelly, and he is disgusting.

CUOMO: Well, Ana, let's give people some context.

NAVARRO: What he has done to the American process should sadden all of us.

CUOMO: Ana, let's give people some context. You know, you made a lot of buzz with what your response to this was when it first came out. I think you were on Don's show, Don Lemon's show. Here's what you said.

CAMEROTA: Very explicit language. We're warning our viewers.

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NAVARRO: And I think that every single Republican is going to have to answer the question, what did you do the day you saw the tape of this man boasting about grabbing a woman's pussy?

BOB BECKEL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Exactly.

HUGHES: All right. Would you please stop saying that word? My daughter is listening.

NAVARRO: You know what? You know what, Scottie? Don't tell me you're offended when I say "pussy" but you're not offended when Donald Trump says it. I'm not running for president. He is. (END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: OK, so...

QUINN: You can't argue with that in my book.

HUGHES: Once again, this is a morning show. There are children that are going off to school this morning watching. They keep it on in the background. Those words, yes, he said it 11 years ago in a private conversation.

QUINN: He was 59.

HUGHES: IN a private conversation. We here don't need to be using this language. I consider that to be a very derogatory word towards women. It's not allowed in my presence in my own home. Those other...

NAVARRO: So why are you...

(CROSSTALK)

HUGHES: I have constantly said...

CAMEROTA: Hold on.

NAVARRO: Do you not see the irony of you saying that these words are unacceptable to you, but yet they are acceptable and you are willing to come on TV and be an apologist for a candidate...

HUGHES: No. No.

NAVARRO: ... who is running for the highest office in the land and yet is saying these words. Apparently, Scottie, when Donald Trump says "pussy," he's referring to a baby cat.

HUGHES: Stop!

NAVARRO: But when I say it, you find it crass and offensive.

CAMEROTA: Let her respond. Go.

QUINN: Can I respond?

NAVARRO: I think you have no self-awareness of what you are saying.

CUOMO: All right, so Scottie, tell us. You get what the allegation is. What are you saying?

HUGHES: It's very simple. That was a taped conversation that was never supposed to air. No, it doesn't make it right, and I have said time and time again I do not agree with the words. I do not agree that he used them. No woman should ever...

CUOMO: He was on camera and miked.

QUINN: It wasn't private.

HUGHES: Here's the -- well, to a certain -- it was not supposed to be. But that's beyond it. That was 11 years ago.

[07:15:02] Two wrongs do not make a right. We are supposed to act better. We should -- our audience deserves to be treated better. And to sit there and continue to say these words, that does not help the conversation. I do not agree with them, but we should not use that language. Just like you would not use other words on there.

(CROSSTALK)

NAVARRO: When you get on TV and you defend those words, when you...

HUGHES: I don't defend the words. I defend the person. I don't defend his words.

NAVARRO: ... when you try to put them in context, you're defending him.

HUGHES: You repeat them.

QUINN: Because I'm not going to take him...

CAMEROTA: Hold on ten seconds. Quickly, ten seconds.

Hold on, Ana.

NAVARRO: When you are making explanations, what you are doing is coming on TV, and you are being an accomplice. You are being an enabler. If you can live with that, that's fine with you. I can't. I've got to look at myself in the mirror and live with my conscience.

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QUINN: Scottie said we should be better. We should use higher language. We're talking about people who are commentators on CNN, with all due respect to that position. But we should be better than people -- a man running for president of the United States?

HUGHES: Eleven years ago. Eleven years ago.

QUINN: He has repeatedly said sexist and horrible things. But, Scottie, you said it all.

HUGHES: That word right there. That word right there.

QUINN: You said it all. We should be better. That means he's low if we should be better.

HUGHES: Eleven years ago.

QUINN: We need to raise the bar, because your candidate has lowered it into the gutter repeatedly. And 11 years ago, he was not a child.

CAMEROTA: Guys, stick around. We actually have more questions for you. We do need to take a break.

CUOMO: All right. And you know, really, arguably, that discussion wasn't the most shocking moment of the night when this happened, when they were talking about the videotape, because Donald Trump threatened to do something as president of the United States to Hillary Clinton that may not be possible, but is possibly the harshest thing we've ever heard from one opponent to another. We'll play it for you, next.

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[07:20:49] CUOMO: The debate turned ugly early. If possible, a distinctive moment in that regard was Donald Trump making an unprecedented threat toward Hillary Clinton if he wins the election. Here it is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: We're going to get a special prosecutor, and we're looking to look into it, because you know what? People have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing one-fifth of what you've done, and it's a disgrace. And, honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

RADDATZ: Secretary.

CLINTON: Everything he just said is absolutely false, but I'm not surprised. Go to HillaryClinton.com. We have literally Trump. You can fact check him -- fact-check him in real time.

It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.

TRUMP: Because you'd be in jail.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CUOMO: Let's bring back our panel of CNN commentators. You've got Christine Quinn, Scottie Nell Hughes and Ana Navarro.

Scottie, let's start with you. To me...

HUGHES: Why not?

CUOMO: Well, because I want to give you the chance to say why -- look, he only said it because he knew it would work with the base. So why does the base like the idea of their president, you know, seizing control of the judicial system and putting somebody in jail whom they don't agree with?

HUGHES: Well, I don't think it's about not agreeing with. I think it's about the Hillary standard. As she said, never before have it been unprecedented that we've had a criminal -- or the FBI has been investigating a presidential candidate. Never before has the presidential candidate's husband meet with the attorney general on a tarmac that was supposed to be a secret meeting, and then a week or two later the charges were basically dismissed or said that it wasn't going to do anything. This is all a political -- this is why Kenneth Starr was appointed

before as a separate independent counsel. You did not see Barack Obama did this. You saw his own administration, with his own attorney general investigate this. I think a lot of people still have questions.

Obviously, 125 counts of taking the fifth by her I.T. director, and several others that are getting cleared that are getting special coverage. And any time you have to use words like "Bleach Bit" or "hammers" to destroy property, something leaves this idea that something legal did not happen here.

QUINN: I think Scottie leaves out a very important and really critical point of this issue, which is that the FBI -- and the director of the FBI is somebody who all parties would believe is a man above reproach, not really political, just a law enforcement guy -- has reviewed this, investigated it fully, kind of litigated it out in that sense and said there were no charges here. Did he say...

HUGHES: But he said there was wrongdoing. There was wrongdoing.

QUINN: Wait a minute. No one interrupted you. And we're New Yorkers.

He said wrongdoing -- that she acted badly. Carelessly. She admits that and apologizes for it. Very different than Donald Trump. And he said nothing was done here that needed to be followed up on. Period. That is the point here.

And Donald Trump, I get why he keeps bringing it up, and I think Hillary was right to move off of it. But he just keeps bringing this up,. because it's really the only thing he has and it tries to move him away. But move him away from other problematic issues.

But let's talk about the courts. I don't want to overlook the point last night when the question was asked by someone from the audience about who would you appoint to the Supreme Court. One of the biggest powers a president has. And the point right now is the court is stymied.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

QUINN: I mean, it's terrible.

CUOMO: It's 4-4.

QUINN: So she made it very clear she wanted experienced people, diversely experienced people. Not just white shoe Wall Street lawyers and somebody who's clerked a little bit. Diverse law experience and people who will overturn Citizens United...

CAMEROTA: Yes.

QUINN: ... reaffirm voting rights; support Roe versus Wade; and support marriage equality. That's what the vast majority of Americans want. CAMEROTA: Go ahead, Ana.

NAVARRO: Let me tell you, I think -- I think out of everybody on the panel, I'm the only one who has actually fled communism and fled dictatorship. And when you hear the potential next president of the United States say that, if he becomes president, he is going to unilaterally put a political opponent in jail should scare the bejeezus out of all of us.

I can tell you it scared me. I sat there thinking, "Lord, if this man becomes president, I'm going to jail. And that's after he waterboards me and he audits me and takes all my money."

Chris Cuomo, I hope you can still practice law. I hope that you will represent me pro bono and make sure you get me conjugal visits and wine inside that jail.

[07:25:04] CUOMO: Got anything for that?

(CROSSTALK)

CAMEROTA: Hold on. Hold on.

QUINN: It's a true -- it's a true point. I'm going to set aside the visits and the wine for a second. To have someone who wants to be president stand up and kind of admit there will be no balance of power and that people...

CUOMO: You're taking it too far.

HUGHES: You're taking it very much too far here. Hold on here.

(CROSSTALK)

QUINN: I don't think so. He said he'll appoint a special prosecutor. And you'll be in jail. You'll be in jail.

CUOMO: When he said -- no, when she said, "It's a good thing we don't have someone like him in charge of the law," although we don't have anyone in charge of the law, he said, "Yes, because you'd be in jail." That was a tit-for-tat. That wasn't a promise.

QUINN: Those are big words.

HUGHES: Hold on. Because we believe -- he believes we have enough, if someone independent were to look at the case of what happened, that there is enough...

CAMEROTA: You know, I heard it a different way. I heard it a different way. And that is that all of the voters and the people in America who say that they have so much fatigue from this election and from all the combat and from all the toxicity of this election, and they just can't wait until this election is over. What I heard him say was, "No, it will continue. The vendetta that I feel against this woman, if you elect me, I will continue this, this fight."

HUGHES: I think it's more one of those that actual justice will be served. It will actually have an independent counsel to it.

And to the point of Supreme Court justices...

CUOMO: Hang on for a second. Why is that justice? Why is what we saw with Ken Starr -- by the way, Clinton appointed the first special prosecutor into that matter. I don't know why the hell he did that. But he did. And then Congress came in and brought in Starr.

HUGHES: Right.

CUOMO: What happened there that gave you any semblance of the idea of justice. You wind up having the guy being impeached -- the Senate had to save him -- basically for having an affair and lying about it.

HUGHES: But I'm talking about that we didn't see the same sort of justice. That independent counsel.

CUOMO: Well, what's independent about it? It was a political witch- hunt. That's what I'm saying. That's what happens with these...

HUGHES: And what ultimately happened, he ended up staying in office. But it was an independent. At least it separated itself. We've not seen that in this case. And when you're dealing with national security secrets and to your point...

CUOMO: You had Congress do almost a dozen hearings on this.

QUINN: Yes. Over and over.

CUOMO: Aren't they independent? You had the FBI.

HUGHES: And they said there was wrongdoing. They said there was wrongdoing. The FBI did say this. By the way, he -- it just says, Ana proved, just because you're Republican does not mean that you're actually a part of the team here.

QUINN: He's -- well, he shouldn't be a part of the team. The FBI director should be on no one's team.

HUGHES: You kept saying that he was appointed by a Republican. I'm sorry.

CUOMO: He was.

QUINN: He was.

HUGHES: He was. But that doesn't make him a part of us. Trust me. He makes the worst...

(CROSSTALK)

QUINN: Wait a minute. You don't want the FBI director to...

HUGHES: No, I want him.

CAMEROTA: Hold on, ladies. Let's give Ana the last word. CUOMO: Hold on, hold on.

CAMEROTA: Ana, go ahead. Last word.

NAVARRO: Look, folks, we've seen this before in American history. We have seen precedents and administrations run amuck and really do take action against political opponents. Whether it be spying, whether it be auditing. I mean, you can do it in so many different ways.

And is there anybody out there who actually thinks that, if Donald Trump were to become president, he's not petty and little and vengeful enough...

HUGHES: Fourteen million people, Ana, who think that.

NAVARRO: ... to take action against his opponent?

QUINN: You don't know that. You don't know that. They may like it.

CUOMO: Here's what we know. Donald Trump promised that if he's the president of the United States.

NAVARRO: I mean, sorry. I mean, anybody out there -- anybody out there other than the people drinking a lot of orange Kool-Aid.

CUOMO: Right, but...

HUGHES: See, once again, you insulted just like Hillary Clinton. That's why she appreciates your support, Ana.

CUOMO: All it is, is...

QUINN: She's not supporting Hillary. She's supporting her mother.

CUOMO: Ladies, thank you very much. We've got to go to break. Nobody has the market cornered on insults in this election. They're all over the place. He did promise to be different, and that would be more of the same.

Trump had the tougher job last night, no question about it. Because he was trying to not just live down what he said about women; he was trying to expand his base. Did he succeed? We're going to speak with his vice chair of diversity, next.

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