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Aired October 20, 2016 - 07:00   ET

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CUOMO: He actually said, "I'm going to keep the country in suspense," despite the threat that it poses to our democratic process.

[07:00:10] CAMEROTA: Hillary Clinton called comments, quote, "horrifying." And some Republicans are also slamming their nominee. His own party trying to clean up his words by saying that they will accept the will of the people.

So, in just minutes, Trump's campaign manager Kellyanne Conway, as well as Democratic Vice-Presidential nominee Tim Kaine will join us live on all of this.

Of course, there's a lot at stake. Only 19 days left until election day. We have it all covered with you. So let's begin with CNN political reporter Manu Raju. He is live in Las Vegas. Give us the latest, Manu?

MANU RAJU, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Alisyn.

Donald Trump entered this debate needing something to turn around a campaign that has been on the rocks since last month. First debate performance in which he struggled, and his numbers have tanked since then.

In the beginning of last night's debate, he had a pretty strong performance, talking about issues that conservatives frankly liked. But then Hillary Clinton got under his skin on the issue of Russia. And then he made this remark that everyone is talking about this morning.

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RAJU (voice-over): Donald Trump refusing to say he will accept the election results.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking at anything now. I'll look at it at the time.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Are you saying you're not prepared now to commit to that?

TRUMP: I will tell you at the time. I'll keep you in suspense. OK?

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Well, Chris, let me respond to that, because that's horrifying. You know, every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is, is rigged against him.

RAJU: Trump suggesting Hillary Clinton's e-mail use is disqualifying.

TRUMP: She shouldn't be allowed to run. She's guilty of a very, very serious crime.

RAJU: Clinton changing the subject of her Wall Street speeches to Russia and pressuring the GOP nominee to condemn Russia for hacking and stealing Democratic records. Trump taking the bait.

CLINTON: Will Donald Trump admit and condemn that the Russians are doing this and make it clear that he will not have the help of Putin in this election, that he rejects Russian espionage against Americans, which he actually encouraged in the past?

TRUMP: I don't know Putin. He said nice things about me. If we got along well, that would be good. If Russia and the United States got along well and went after ISIS, that would be good.

He has no respect for her. He has no respect for our president. And I'll tell you what: we're in very serious trouble.

From everything I see has no respect for this person.

CLINTON: Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president.

TRUMP: No puppet, no.

WALLACE: You condemn their interference?

TRUMP: Of course I condemn.

RAJU: Throughout the night, Trump repeatedly interrupting and attacking her.

CLINTON: ... be clear.

TRUMP: You're the puppet.

Wrong.

CLINTON: This is a very clear fact that...

TRUMP: Wrong.

CLINTON: ... before the...

TRUMP: Excuse me. My turn.

CLINTON: .. replenish the Social Security trust fund.

TRUMP: Such a nasty woman.

RAJU: Trump did have a strong start, sparring with Clinton on issues that play well with conservatives, like abortion. TRUMP: Based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and

where she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month, on the final day; and that's not acceptable.

CLINTON: Using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. You should meet with some of the women that I've met with. Women I've known over the course of my life. This is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make. And I do not believe the government should be making it.

RAJU: Trump even going as far as claiming his pro-life Supreme Court picks would automatically overturn Roe v. Wade, something he can't guarantee.

Later, Clinton hitting back on immigration.

CLINTON: When it comes to the wall that Donald talks about building the wall, he went to Mexico. He had a meeting with the Mexican president. Didn't even raise it; he choked.

TRUMP: First of all, I had a very good meeting with the president of Mexico. Very nice man.

RAJU: Trump raising eyebrows with this response to the question of deporting millions of undocumented immigrants.

TRUMP: Once the border is secured at a later date, we'll make a determination as to the rest. But we have some bad hombres here, and we're going to get them out.

RAJU: And once again, rejecting the growing number of accusations from several women of making unwanted advances.

TRUMP: Because those stories are all totally false. I have to say that. And I didn't even apologize to my wife, who's sitting right here, because I didn't do anything. I didn't know any of these women. I didn't see these women. These women, the woman on the plane, the woman -- I think they want either fame or her campaign did it. And I think it's her campaign.

[07:05:00] CLINTON: Donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. He goes after their dignity, their self-worth; and I don't think there is a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like. So, we now know what Donald thinks and what he says and how he acts towards women. That's who Donald is.

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RAJU: Now, on Trump's comments that he may not accept the election results, the Republicans close to his campaign quickly trying to do damage control, including Reince Priebus, the RNC chairman saying, of course, Donald Trump will accept the election results.

But other Republican critics hitting Donald Trump, including Lindsey Graham putting out a statement last night saying that Trump is doing the party and country a great disservice by suggesting that the outcome of this election is rigged.

But one person, two people we have not heard from yet, Alisyn, are the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan. We reached out to their offices yet, no comment yet on Donald Trump's remarks about possibly not accepting the election results.

CAMEROTA: OK, Manu. Let us know when you get those responses. We'd love to hear those. Thank you very much.

What do viewers think of last night's debate? We have CNN scientific poll to show you. Debate watchers, 52 percent of them, thought that Hillary Clinton won. And that makes it a clean sweep of all three presidential debates.

Thirty-nine percent of the viewers thought that Trump had a better night. More than half of those polled say the debate will not change their mind. But among those who did feel swayed, Trump and Clinton essentially split. There you see, 23 to 22 percent.

So we should not that the debate watchers in our poll do skew slightly for the Democrats, so keep that in mind. But they overwhelmingly said that she won.

CUOMO: And Pence won the poll. So it's not like you're only going to get a Democratic outcome.

So, let's discuss with CNN senior political analyst and senior editor of "The Atlantic," Ron Brownstein; CNN political analyst David Gregory; and Jackie Kucinich, CNN political analyst and Washington bureau chief of "The Daily Beast."

Professor Brownstein, let's start with you. You've been monitoring these debates as opportunities for Donald Trump to do what he has to do in your opinion, which is expand the base. And with just this one statement, did he pop that balloon?

RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes. Look, I think that the big moment in these debates was the first debate. That was his chance to reverse the perception that had built up, 60 percent of the country saying he's not qualified. Didn't have the judgment.

He didn't do in the first debate what Ronald Reagan did in 1980, which was kind of reassure people that he could be president.

But yes, last night was the exclamation point. You know, the first half of the debate, as we've discussed, he was pretty effective in making the Republican case for change and making the conservative argument on a whole series of issues from national security to abortion.

But when you get to the point of saying that you are not willing to accept the results of the election, the inevitable result has to be to deepen the doubts among those voters who question whether you have the temperament and judgment to succeed as president. And those voters, at the moment, are about 60 percent of the electorate. And by the way, in the poll, Chris, last night, roughly 60 percent,

you know, said that they came out of the debate convinced that Hillary Clinton was better prepared to be president. That is the wall that is facing Donald Trump, and he put another very big brick on top of it last night.

CAMEROTA: So, yesterday, his -- Donald Trump's top surrogates. His daughter, his V.P. nominee, tried to, over the course of 24 hours, explain how -- what Donald Trump will do if the outcome does not go his way. Here they are.

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GOV. MIKE PENCE (R-IN), VICE-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I've said before, we'll certainly accept the outcome of this election.

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Do you want Mr. Trump to make that clear?

PENCE: But in the 20 days...

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: He hasn't said it.

PENCE: Well, he said it in the first debate.

TOOBIN: And then he took it back.

PENCE: Well, he said it in the first debate, folks.

IVANKA TRUMP, DAUGHTER OF DONALD TRUMP: Of course, I think my father will always do the right thing. That's the type of person he is. He'll either win, or he won't win. And I believe he'll accept the outcome either way.

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN CHAIR: Donald Trump will accept the results of the election, because he's going to win the election, so they'll be easy to accept. Absent evidence of widespread abuse and irregularities, yes, I would say that. But I actually think I'll be saying to him, "Congratulations, Mr. President." And I'll see you there in two weeks.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: David, they're in a tough position, because they're saying something quite different than what the candidate is saying.

DAVID GREGORY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I mean, it's just striking. I mean, from the vice-presidential nominee to the campaign manager having to try to clean up what the candidate says.

Essentially saying, "Oh, don't listen to him. He just wants to be president of the United States. Don't listen to what he's saying."

I mean, this is a candidate who talks about making America great again. And he wants to undermine a timeworn tradition of honoring our democratic results of our elections. It is the kind of thing that the very voters that he would need, swing voters, college-educated voters, look at him and say, "Sorry, not temperamentally fit, not qualified to be president of the United States."

CUOMO: All right. So...

GREGORY: That's what's hurt him all along.

CUOMO: So let's test what has emerged as the best defense for this statement, OK? Al Gore did the same thing. After Florida was too close, he said, "I'm not accepting the outcome yet," and it took some, what, 38 days until he did. Is that a fair example?

JACKIE KUCINICH, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, it was after the election, first of all, that Al Gore said that.

CUOMO: But he still denied the outcome.

KUCINICH: He didn't spend, you know, weeks saying that it was going to be a rigged election beforehand.

CAMEROTA: Yes, but Trump is saying, I'm keeping you in suspense. I'm going to wait to see what happens.

KUCINICH: Well, right, but there was a recount, and George Bush had lost the popular vote. So there were other things at play here that, you know, it.

[07:10:06] CUOMO: But is it OK for him to say it in anticipation of an event like that? Look, we saw what happened...

KUCINICH: He can say whatever he wants.

CUOMO: ... with Al Gore, so shouldn't I say right now -- and feel free, Ron, to weigh in whenever you want.

But Trump said, "We saw what happened with Gore, so why is it wrong for me to say, 'I have to wait and see what happens.' What if we have another Florida"? Does that clean it up?

BROWNSTEIN: Well, look, I spent 45 days in Tallahassee in 2000, and there was a recount going on. That was the issue.

The question was, who had won Florida? That's what they were contesting through the courts and through the recount process.

What Donald Trump was saying last night was a broader kind of indictment. He was saying that "The election itself might be rigged and stolen from me." That there are millions of kind of false votes potentially being cast. It was a very different -- I mean, that was a specific dispute over who had actually won Florida. This was kind of a preemptive kind of questioning whether the whole thing was legitimate.

As we said before, what does that mean for all the Republicans who are going to get elected in November? Are all those elections tainted, all those House members, all those Senate members? How can it just be that one election is stolen and not all of those, many of which Republicans are going to win.

KUCINICH: And the Republican governors are in league of all this. And

GREG: And I think that's important as you go back to 2000, is to remember, as Ron says there was a recount going on. The question ultimately was, were all the votes being counted? Not whether there was corruption or rigging going on at the precinct level.

And in fact, had the Supreme Court not stopped that counting, perhaps it would have, indeed, shown that George W. Bush had won the total number of votes in Florida. So there was an intervention in the process. But it was simply a question of counting, not corruption.

And again, this is 20 days before the election that he's saying, "I don't know if I'll accept the results." Al Gore was in a totally different position and even after the Supreme Court conferred it upon his opponent, he graciously stepped aside, in deference to our democracy.

CAMEROTA: So that shouldn't be held up as a model of what we think might happen.

KUCINICH: It was chaos.

CAMEROTA: It was chaos. And even Laura Ingraham, conservative radio host, tweeted last night when Donald Trump refused to say that he would accept the outcome. She tweeted this: he should have said he would accept the results of the election. There is no other option unless we're in a recount, again.

GREGORY: Right. I mean, it's just -- it's not a close call. I mean, this was a presidential candidate, a head of the Republican Party, suggesting that Putin has outsmarted all of our American leadership, suggesting that he and other dictators around the world. Meaning he, Trump, must sit around and laugh at how stupid America's leaders are and then saying he won't accept the results.

And by the way, suggested that she should be imprisoned if he wins the election. I mean, this is the talk of a tyrant. He referred to President Obama as "Obama's regime." When you spend so much time, mentally and psychologically marinating in authoritarianism, that's how you talk. That is dangerous.

CUOMO: So, what they're saying is, unless the outcome is known, certified and verified, Donald Trump will not accept the outcome of the election.

CAMEROTA: Kellyanne Conway just said that.

CUOMO: Now, is that stating the obvious or is that creating space? Is that spin to try to help with him being, you know, disavowing our democracy last night.

GREGORY: What did she say?

CAMEROTA: "Unless the results are certified and verified, he will not concede the race."

GREGORY: I mean, it sounds like she's trying to create, like, a 2000 perception. Doesn't it?

CUOMO: Does it work?

GREGORY: No, I don't think it works. There's no reason to believe that we're headed in that direction. That's also different.

In other words, what he's saying is, if there's -- a recount is triggered, that he's not going to concede like Al Gore. That's not where he's been leading us to.

CUOMO: Why talk about Kellyanne when we can talk to Kellyanne? Professor Brownstein, listen to this. We have Trump campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, joining us right now. Let's get it right from her directly.

Good morning, my friend. How are you?

CONWAY: Good morning, hi, Chris.

CUOMO: So I understand what you've been saying this morning, that unless the vote count is certified and verified, Donald Trump is not going to accept the outcome of the election. To many ears, that sounds like a disavowal of democracy, a preemptive strike against an unknown that is unbefitting a presidential candidate. What do you say?

CONWAY: No. I mean, if anybody's added to American democracy in the last year and a half, it's Donald Trump. He's gotten people who are not interested in participating out to his rallies, out to the polls in the primary, energized to vote for him this time.

I mean, people always tell pollsters -- you know the stats, Chris -- that 75 percent of the Americans want to take the country in a new and different direction. Who represents that better than somebody who is outside the system as a successful businessman? You can't legitimately call Hillary Clinton an outside, disruptive force, a change-maker. She's been there for decades.

But what Donald Trump has said over time, if you take all the statements together, Chris, he has said that -- that he will respect the results of the election. But everybody, including Al Gore in 2000, waits to see what those election results are. You wait to see what the results are, if they're verified, if they're certified.

[07:15:03] Al Gore himself called to concede that race in 2000. He called George W. Bush, congratulating him for being the victor, and then called back and retracted the concession.

CUOMO: Right. But the -- Kellyanne...

CONWAY: And you know what happened next. We went on for six weeks.

CUOMO: That's the problem, though, is that we all do know what happened in Florida, and this is different. Donald Trump is saying right now, with weeks to go, "I think it could be rigged against me, so I'm not going to say I will respect it."

That's not what happened in 2000, as we both know very well. There was an auto recount triggered. There was a legitimate issue as to who had won the state in a context where we knew at the time that the popular vote was against then-Governor George Bush. And it was a state that was run by the GOP at the governor and secretary of state level. It was George Bush who wound up having to appeal to the Supreme Court to decide the matter.

And when they did, that's when Al Gore took the step of conceding the race.

This is not an analogy to that. This is Donald Trump saying, if I don't like the outcome -- you can disagree, except you said something different. Pence said something different. His daughter said something different than what he said last night. And it sounds not just like whining, but disavowing the democratic process if it doesn't suit Donald Trump's personal preference. Is that right?

CONWAY: First of all, there were two people on the stage last night, and only one of them was whining, and it wasn't Donald Trump.

And secondly, if you had Al Gore in this seat 16 years ago, and you asked him the same question, Chris. If you said, Vice President Gore, if you win the popular vote and you're losing Florida by less than 600 votes, and it will be decisive of the election, will you concede the election?"

CUOMO: It's not the situation, though. He has no reason to believe right now, Donald Trump, that it's rigged. He keeps saying this. Look, this is what I think happened and you can shoot it down.

CONWAY: Well, the system is rigged against him, generally. You know that.

CUOMO: I do not know that.

CONWAY: Ninety-six percent of the donations, Chris, 96 percent of the donations from journalists went to Hillary Clinton. That's an unbelievable statistic for working journalists. I mean, that's a partisan expression of support through your...

CUOMO: I don't even know who's allowed to give money. Certainly, we're not allowed to give it.

CONWAY: Congratulations.

CUOMO: And this is a man who was made by the media, Kellyanne. I've been getting crushed by his supporters for well over a year, because we consistently tested him, Alisyn and I, on this show.

So the idea of being, you know, nasty to him on purpose doesn't wash with me, and you know that.

CONWAY: Chris, nobody said that.

CUOMO: I want to get back to the situation.

CONWAY: I didn't say that.

CUOMO: He keeps saying that the system is rigged. He's using that. I don't know why. Only you may know, although you've differed with it yourself. And last night he doubled down on the proposition, which is what he often does.

But this time, it undermined the fundamental process of our democracy. And why can't you expose that to the light of reason? Why can't you say it was too far? Go ahead.

CONWAY: Respectfully, can I speak today?

CUOMO: Please, please. I don't want you to condemn the media as an answer to this question.

CONWAY: I didn't condemn the media. I gave you a statistic. Ninety- six percent. That's super close to 100 percent. That's a really high number of journalists who gave their money to Hillary Clinton's campaign over Donald Trump. We know from these -- if you just turn on a TV or read the print every day, you know the guy can't get a fair shake.

But all that aside, if you want to talk about who has disrupted and disrespected the underlying principles of American democracy, let's ask the lady who was secretary of state, where they were using as a concierge for foreign donations. Let's ask the lady who is allowing collusion between the Department of Justice, the FBI and the State Department.

I mean, it's outrageous to think this person who said we went from dead broke to being a quarter billionaire selling what? Access to the government. Undermining -- you know, undermining our democratic principles.

But you guys don't want to talk about that. There was so much talked about last night. What about -- what about Donald Trump challenging Hillary Clinton and her just ignoring him? Challenging her to give back the Clinton Foundation money that has been taken from countries that disrespect women that, as Donald Trump pointed out, Chris, throw gays off of buildings, disrespects women? She never even replied. Do you think today that will happen? Do you think anybody at CNN will ask people at the Clinton Foundation, where men were paid more than woman, if they're going to give the money back? I doubt it.

CUOMO: But, Kellyanne, the suggestion that what we should cover is something that we have known and covered for weeks and months should take supremacy over a man who's about to be president of the United States, if he wins an election...

CONWAY: Thank you.

CUOMO: ... saying, "I won't accept it. I won't accept it if I don't win." Fundamentally, that's what he said. We've never heard it before.

CONWAY: Chris, he did not say that. Chris, he did not -- excuse me, he did not say, "I won't accept it if I don't win." He said, "Let's see what happens."

CUOMO: He said, "I want to keep you in suspense."

CONWAY: Let's see how close it is.

CUOMO: The GOP head, Reince Priebus, all these different GOP lawmakers came forward and said that was wrong. Laura Ingraham said he has to say that he'll accept it unless there's another Florida.

CONWAY: And I said yesterday -- I've said as his campaign manager and his running mate, we've all said the same thing. Absent widespread fraud or irregularities. But please don't say he said, quote, "unless I win."

[07:21:11] CUOMO: He didn't say it. He said, "I won't tell you until then." He didn't say what you said either. He didn't say, "Oh, look, if there's a huge irregularity or something like that, like Florida, then we have to look at it." He didn't say that. He said, "I don't know. I'll look at it when it happens. I want to keep you in suspense." He didn't say what you said.

CONWAY: So he was supposed to give -- he was supposed to give 10 or 12 different hypotheticals to prove his point?

CUOMO: No, he was supposed to say, "I accept the outcome of the election, because we want a peaceful transfer of power." And then, is there's some "God forbid" that happens, like in 2000, you deal with it when it comes. You don't undermine the system before you come to that. Isn't that a fair statement?

CONWAY: Chris, I think you're just asking me the same question over one long segment. So, I'm sure that f I turn on CNN all day that's basically what I'll see.

But I think the voters learned a lot last night in 90 minutes. I've answered it. His daughter answered it. His running mates answered. And more importantly, he's answered it. And honestly, if you're going to let Hillary Clinton lie her way through last night's debate and talk about one issue today from a 90-minute debate, I think the voters will decide for themselves.

But they saw a real contrast last night, a real choice. She was on her heels, her extreme, outrageous position on abortion, abortion anyone, anytime, anywhere. Every pro-choicer I know doesn't support abortion in late term the way she does.

She was on her heels on the Second Amendment. She was held to account for her position with the hot spots all over the globe. I mean, if you've been there for decades, you own the problems we have. Every time she talked about poverty and health care and hot spots around the globe, my God, who has been there for decades? And Donald Trump is right, all talk, no action. People have a real choice here: change or more of the same.

CUOMO: All right, Kellyanne, I'd love to keep talking to you, but I know you have a lot of media appearances this morning. I don't want to blow through our window.

CONWAY: See you soon. Thank you.

CUOMO: Thank you for being with us this morning.

Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK. Now to the other side. Joining us now is Democratic vice-presidential nominee, Senator Tim Kaine.

Good morning, Senator.

SEN. TIM KAINE (D-VA), VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Hey, Alisyn, good to be with you.

CAMEROTA: What did you think last night when you heard Donald Trump say that he was not prepared to say...

KAINE: Yes.

CAMEROTA: ... whether or not he would concede the race? He would decide then, if he were to lose.

KAINE: Well, it was a shocker. There were other shockers last night but that was the biggest one. I -- you know, I worked as a missionary in Honduras 35 years ago, and it was a military dictatorship. And I learned from that experience that the acceptance of the outcome of an election and the peaceful transfer of power is a pillar of our nation's democracy. And after an insult-driven campaign where Donald has insulted virtually everybody, now he's trying to pull the central pillar down, and I can't imagine why he would do that except for the reason that Hillary pointed out.

If he thinks things are going against him, if he thinks he's going to lose.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

KAINE: He's going to claim it's all rigged against him. He did it with the Emmy Awards, for gosh sake.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

KAINE: He even tried to argue last night that the Emmy Award was wrong. And he should have won it.

CAMEROTA: But...

KAINE: He can't take responsibility and that's an important trait.

CAMEROTA: But, Senator, are you and Hillary Clinton and your teams talking about the possible scenario of what happens on November 9 if, hypothetically, you and Hillary Clinton were to win, Donald Trump were to lose, but he doesn't concede. Then what?

KAINE: Well, that is -- that's tough. That's very tough. Now whether or not he concedes is probably irrelevant. The question is, is the mandate clear on the 8th of November?

I'm in North Carolina today. Early voting starts here. We're -- today. We're doing everything we can to encourage everybody to participate so that the mandate will be very clear.

Donald is still going to whine if he loses, but if the mandate is clear, I don't think many people will follow him. And -- you know, it's just this inability to accept responsibility is at the core of this. But that --

CAMEROTA: But, I mean -- I mean, I guess my...

KAINE: That trait of our democracy is so critical.

CAMEROTA: I mean, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I guess my questions, because we've heard this...

KAINE: Yes.

CAMEROTA: ... at some of his rallies lately from his supporters is that they feel as though if they were disenfranchised, if it doesn't go their way, they have said that they might take matters into their own hands. And I'm just wondering if you guys behind the scenes are talking about any possible scenario where there's violence or protests or things like that.

KAINE: We do have a concern. But we also have confidence in the American public. I think the -- we're going to sprint through the tape. We're going to get everybody to participate because it's easy to participate and hopefully have a mandate. And we're confident in the American public that they will accept the outcome of this election, just as they have in elections time after time after time in this country.

It is a pillar of our country. And it's not just a pillar because -- you know, because presidents follow the tradition. It's also a pillar because the electorate follows the tradition. And we have no reason to believe that when the dust settles on November 9th they will not follow what we have done in every preceding presidential election.

[07:25:00] CAMEROTA: OK. Senator, let's fact check some of Hillary Clinton's claims last night. She talked about the national debt. Let me play that moment for you and our viewers.

KAINE: Right.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: If you look at the debt, which is the issue you asked about, Chris, I pay for everything I'm proposing. I do not add a penny to the national debt. I take that very seriously, because I do think it's one of the issues we've got to come to grips with. (END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: OK. So the nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget rates that as false. They say that her plan would increase the national debt by $200 billion over a decade. What's your response?

KAINE: That group does good work, and that's the conclusion they've reached. But, as you know, these are not always matters of just complete mathematical certainty. We have a plan on the table, and we have revenue sources to pay for all our proposals.

I will say about that organization that they make a particular conclusion about the Clinton plan. They also make a conclusion about the Trump plan that the Trump plan would increase the national debt, not by hundreds of billions of dollars, but by $5 trillion, blowing a massive hole in the debt.

CAMEROTA: Well, you're right about that. They go on to say, just so that everyone knows. They estimate that her plan would increase spending in areas such as infrastructure, more financial aid for college students, as we've heard, early childhood education, that's part of her plan. It would increase the national debt by $200 billion, as I said, over 10 years.

They say that Donald Trump's would add $5.3 trillion over 10 years. Yes, his is more, but still, how can voters believe her plan, where she says it wouldn't increase by a penny when this outfit says, "No, that's wrong, it's actually $200 billion"?

KAINE: Well, I'll just say this. Again, the outfit concludes that the Trump plan would increase debt 20 times the Hillary Clinton plan. But just because this group says that, they're not the umpire. They're not like calling balls and strikes and everybody agrees that they're right. They're doing their own estimate.

We have worked very hard on a plan and tried to put revenue sources on the table. HillaryClinton.com, you can check it out, to pay for every aspect of all the investments we would make. This is a group -- and again, I'm not -- I'm not demeaning the group, but they look at the plans a little bit differently than we do.

But in terms of how they compare the plans, the comparison is stark that our plan is much more fiscally responsible than the Trump plan with respect to the debt.

CAMEROTA: Senator Tim Kaine, thank you for being on NEW DAY. We appreciate talking to you.

KAINE: Absolutely. Glad to be with you, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right. So we just heard from both campaigns about Trump's refusal to say whether he will accept the election results. Up next, our political panel analyzes it.

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