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How Would Clinton and Trump Reform Health Care?; Manhunt Intensifies for Killer in Oklahoma; Donald Trump's War on the Media. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired October 26, 2016 - 06:30   ET

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[06:30:00] ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: If he does break his teeth, he'll need health care and Obamacare is under fire. What do Trump and Clinton think about Obamacare today? What are their health care plans?

We examine their positions in your money, your vote, next.

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CAMEROTA: OK. So bad news for Obamacare. Premiums expected to go up 22 percent on average next year. How many Americans will be affected by this?

Chief business correspondent Christine Romans breaks it down for us.

Hi, Christine.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Hi there.

We want to drill down and exactly see how many people this affects. Republicans, including Donald Trump, seizing on that government report that shows premiums will soar an average of 22 percent next year. Now, the Obama administration says the majority of people enrolling in Obamacare will find affordable plans.

So, here are the numbers. The Department of Health and Human Services expects 11.4 million people will buy coverage on the exchanges next year, 85 percent of them will receive federal subsidies.

[06:35:04] That means about 9.7 million people will be able to reduce their premium costs to less than 10 percent of their income.

So, how many people could see their premiums rise? About 1.7 million people. So, for perspective, that's less than one half of 1 percent of the U.S. population.

Now, open enrolment for Obamacare, guys, starts in six days, six days. And federal officials are warning, you've got to review your options for 2017. The subsidies and the premiums are changing. They vary widely from state to state.

If you do nothing, you could be reenrolled in your current plan and then you could be stuck with some of those higher bills. There might be a better plan for you. So, shop around and know your options. You can't just set it and forget, you have to look at it this year, folks.

CUOMO: Set it and forget it, that's a Ron Popeil reference. Well done, Christine Romans.

All right. So, are you ready for something new? You heard a little bit from Romans, now, we're going to follow up on it.

We're going to actually compare who wants to do what about the problems that Clinton and Trump discuss all the time. We're going to start with health care and start with Obamacare and we're going to start with Hillary Clinton.

They both say go to their website and look at the plans. We did that for you.

She says she would not repeal Obamacare.

CAMEROTA: OK.

CUOMO: Her plan would build on it. Here's how she summarizes that.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have to get costs down, increase value, emphasize wellness. I have a plan for doing that.

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CUOMO: All right. So, how is she going to do that? Campaign says cap the percentage of premium costs to 8.5 percent of a person's income.

CAMEROTA: All right. What level?

CUOMO: Current level, more than 9.6 percent.

CAMEROTA: All right.

CUOMO: OK? Clinton supports the public option.

CAMEROTA: What does that mean for people?

CUOMO: That's a government provided insurance option that would compete with the private insurance. It's viewed as a stepping stone to universal coverage -- controversial.

Clinton would also expand Medicare and Medicaid access to people, especially those who are currently not needy enough to receive those federal programs. Remember, especially with Medicaid, that's state control. She's hoping that would close coverage gaps.

CAMEROTA: Right. Obviously, Republicans say that would cost more money. CUOMO: It would.

CAMEROTA: OK. So, Clinton also looks specifically at the cost of prescription drugs. That's important to so many people. She wants to cap the amount that people can spend monthly and annually on out of pocket prescription drugs. She also wants to clear the backlog of drugs the FDA is considering making generic, because that will, obviously, bring the costs down.

CUOMO: Big deal.

CAMEROTA: She wants to allow patients to import drugs from aboard.

CUOMO: Huge problem right now. Can't do it. Can't do it. The FDA is very hard on it. So, there are other countries that have cheaper drugs and we can't get them, even though they have been using them for years.

CAMEROTA: OK. So, that's important for a lot of people. She also would allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. That is actually an idea with bipartisan support. Seems like that one should be able to happen.

CUOMO: All right. So, let's compare it now with Trump. What does he have?

CAMEROTA: OK. So, Donald Trump has a smaller seven-point plan on his website. We went there and checked it out. Obviously, he wants to repeal Obamacare. So, listen to the base of his healthcare reform plan.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Fully repeal Obamacare and replace it with health savings accounts. So, we can do that. The health savings accounts, it's one way. There are numerous ways.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CUOMO: That's the problem, though. Yes, giving you an account to save money to pay for overtures. A lot of companies do that. Time Warner does that. But that's not going to provide health care for people.

So, we went to the website to see how specifically he's going to deal with Obamacare and I've got to tell you, it's thin. They all start with repealing. It's the replacing part where it starts to get a little dicey.

You get your health savings accounts but that doesn't have to do with the carriers or anything. So, what else is he going to do?

We kept look agate the site and something that exists now for people with certain insurance plans. You know, you can get those accounts ready. He's also suggesting allowing health insurance sales across state lines. CAMEROTA: That's a popular idea.

CUOMO: He says that will help people find the cheapest plan and improve competition. You have more of that already. It is not like that doesn't exist.

CAMEROTA: He also -- he wants to make the insurance payments tax deductible and he has suggested decentralizing Medicaid turning it into block grants that states could manage however they wanted to. And so, to deal with the soaring costs of prescription drugs, he has suggested he would also speed up FDA approval of drugs and I guess generic drugs. He also suggests he'd make it easier for drug providers to enter the market and he's not specific on how he would do that.

CUOMO: Now, one place he agrees, another place he agrees with Clinton, he would allow patients to import drugs from abroad. That's actually a bigger issue than you think. The Trump campaign also insists this is a place to start and so does Clinton. And that if Trump were president, he would consider other proposals that would lower health care costs. So would Clinton.

She warns of consequences if Trump enacts his plan.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

CUOMO: Here's a little push back from her.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That's the plan of my opponent take everything away, give it all back to the insurance companies. If you think costs have gone up with the recent weeks, it will just skyrocket up because insurance companies will be in charge, again.

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[06:40:08] CAMEROTA: These are important issues. I mean, if you have your pad and pencil ready because, you know, these are things certainly elderly voters are voting on things like this. I mean , maybe even single issue voters.

So, we're going to try every day until the election to really break down their differing positions on policy so that you can make the best decision possible.

CUOMO: So, what do you think about what you heard today? Was it helpful? Tweet us @NewDay. Post your comment on Facebook.com/NewDay.

CAMEROTA: All right. Police in Oklahoma are searching for a killer. He is already the prime suspect in six shootings and now he's posting video on Facebook. He is taunting the authorities. So, we have a live report on this manhunt, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) CUOMO: Important situation developing. A suspected killer is on the run in Oklahoma. There's a very intense manhunt. Police say Michael Dale Vance killed two people wounded four others, including police officers. He is now taunting police with online posts.

We've got CNN's Martin Savidge joining us with the latest.

Unusual to see this kind of behavior.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Very unusual. What is so very disturbing about this case, Chris, is not only that the suspect appears to be enjoying what he's doing, but he also appears to enjoy bragging about it on social media.

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[06:45:12] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is more intense than what I thought it was going to be, to say the least.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): The suspect in a double murder on the run and making threats on Facebook live.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Watch this, people.

SAVIDGE: According to Oklahoma police, 38-year-old Michael Vance is armed and dangerous, believed to be carrying an AK-47 or something like it.

UNDENTIFIED MALE: Letting you all know, look, this is real, see. That's (EXPLETIVE DELETED) gun. That's the real deal. It ain't a joke. This ain't a prank. I'm going (EXPLETIVE DELETED) live.

SAVIDGE: Authorities say Vance began his crime spree Sunday night in a town east of Oklahoma City, allegedly opening fire to two officers on a disturbance call shooting them before fleeing the scene in a patrol car.

Vance posting this video while on the run.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm about to steal another car. Like right now.

SAVIDGE: According to court documents, Vance also stole a car from this mobile home park, wounding one person.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After he stole their car and was driving out he shot a couple shots towards us and I just so happen to get hit.

SAVIDGE: An affidavit obtained by police spotted this stolen car outside of this home where they discovered the bodies of his aunt and uncle shot, stabbed and showing signs that the suspect tried to dismember them. Their 2007 Mitsubishi Eclipse missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has that mentality that he's getting on his path and noting is going to be able to stop him.

SAVIDGE: Oklahoma police say a man matching Vance's description and driving a Mitsubishi Eclipse shot somebody at a truck stop 130 miles west of Oklahoma, around 2:30 Monday morning.

Police also believe Vance may have a medical condition that can be transmitted through blood and that he might try to spread the disease.

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SAVIDGE: Vance has also charged with two counts of first degree murder, he's also got a weapons charge and unauthorized access to the vehicle.

But get this -- in July, he was arrested for sexual abuse of a child. Authorities want this man to be found, but they're warning the public, he is extremely dangerous. So, be careful if you see him -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Yes, Martin. Call your authorities if you have any idea where he is. You can just call 911 and they'll put you in touch with the right people.

Martin, thank you very much.

Well, Donald Trump and his surrogates continue to lash out at the media. Our media experts weigh in on the latest attacks, next.

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[06:51:32] CAMEROTA: Donald Trump has a love/hate relationship with the media.

CUOMO: Loves to hate.

CAMEROTA: Well, yes, it has been heavier on the hate.

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TRUMP: But together, we will defeat the rigged system and the corrupt media. There is nothing more corrupt than those people. Not all of them, but most of them. They are a corrupt group.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: Well, if Donald Trump were to lose the election, is he planning a Trump TV network and becoming part of the media?

Here to discuss that and so much, our CNN senior media correspondent and host of "RELIABLE SOURCES", Brian Stelter, and Bill Carter, CNN media analyst and author of "The War for Late Night".

Gentlemen, great to see you.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Thanks.

BILL CARTER, CNN MEDIA ANALYST: Good to see you.

CAMEROTA: So, the hostility between Trump supporters has also been really evidence. I mean, he does gin up the crowd often against the people in the press pen. I think we have a moment of that. Let's watch this, them yelling at the media.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You guys are the most bias in the world.

TRUMP: Without the media, Hillary Clinton would be nothing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: I mean, Bill, he works them up to a lather as you saw there, so people turns towards the press. They're booing. They're booing. I mean, what becomes of this?

CARTER: Well, you know, it was interesting to have Wolf yesterday addressing this directly. I think it's reached a point where people are actually nervous about it now because it's enough anger and venom out there that you think somebody might do something crazy.

And it's not just saying they're being unfair to us, but they're corrupt and disgusting. They're really using really very -- pretty strong terms.

STELTER: It's dehumanizing language and always important when you strip people's humanity away and that's what he's been doing.

CARTER: I thought is interesting, he's doing to the press what he sort of did to Obama. He's trying to otherize the press. He's starting to say, they're not Americans, they're not supporters. They should be, you know, outlaw. They should be somehow stamped out.

CUOMO: My concerns go to the institution itself. One, just common sense tells you yet alone professionalism, he should be specific in his criticisms. I would love for him to take the case of how we rigged anything against him and he certainly loved coming on this show when it was working for him in the beginning.

But, changing the libel laws to be more like the U.K. Just so you understand, you can Google what the laws are there. 2013, they passed an act which was very unusual on British common law, for them to be more like us, OK? The world is moving towards being more free, not less.

But to undermine the First Amendment, that's the part that bothers me. People don't like us. It's not a surprise. That's the danger.

And, I've said this before -- one of supporters is going to hurt a reporter. It's going to happen. Or a reporter is going to hurt one of his supporters. One of those things is going to happen. If he keeps doing this, it's just a matter of time, human beings are simple animals.

STELTER: There's a big difference between 2008 and 2012, you didn't see this kind of venom and vitriol at rallies --

CUOMO: Coming from the candidate and he talks about it in very thuggish, simple terms. He sounds like the guys that I hang out with. You know, but none of them want to be president of the United States.

CAMEROTA: I believe that's an indictment of Chris' circle.

Another thing, last night one of Trump's top supporters, Newt Gingrich, went on FOX and he was basically talking about how they have given too much airtime to these accusations of sexual assault against Donald Trump.

[06:55:12] That why are we so obsessed, the media, with sex. Irony alert. This is the man who said that Bill Clinton degraded and debased the office of the presidency and that all Americans should be appalled.

So, Bill, has the media been too fixated on the sexual assault accusations against Donald Trump?

CARTER: Well, consider what's happening here. This is a candidate who on tape made some statements that are completely outrageous.

CUOMO: We've never heard anything like that before, how is the press not going to then cover that, when then a whole bunch of women come forward day after day. That's a story that is e enormous and does it dwarf whatever is going on in the campaign? Of course, it does. It's a massive story. I can't expect the press to say, well, it's sexy, we can't get into that.-

CAMEROTA: Yes. I mean, just flip it around. In order to test the impartiality of it. If we had Hillary Clinton on tape saying, I kiss guys, I can't help myself. I grab the by the crotch. We wouldn't play that?

CARTER: Endlessly.

STELTER: Again and again and again and it would be disqualifying for a lot of different candidates in past cycles. Obviously, we're in post-gaffe election right now. Not enough for a surrogate to say, go look at WikiLeaks. It's not enough to flip it around to the other side. You have to address what your side is facing.

If I could do one thing right now, it would be to take a pen and try to pop the bubbles are living in, because the filter bubbles that exist right now are so, so severe. Folks especially on the Trump side cannot hear negative information.

CARTER: Oh, the information doesn't get it. It just doesn't get in.

STELTER: So, it always comes up, media bias, but in 13 days all those bubbles are going to pop. And it's true for Clinton supporters, as well, that can't stand to hear a negative word about her. It just seems to me because of the rise of the Internet, because of the rise of Facebook and Twitter and Facebook and conservative liberal media outlets these echo chambers are getting worse and worse and worse.

CARTER: People are in silos and they don't get out of them. And it sort of a post-fact existence for a lot of people. The facts don't get in. CUOMO: Politics has always been self-selecting, right? There's always confirmation bias. That's part of politics, convincing people that your truth is more truthy than the other person's truth and that's why the media is so important. It makes mistakes and it does well and it does things well and does those things not well enough. Like every other institution.

But I'm saying that undermining it altogether is what Trump does. He does it in a bigger way, a more vicious way and I believe a more lasting way.

STELTER: I agree. It's way past election day, isn't it?

We deserve criticism, especially on the individual level. I deserve it and everyone deserves it. But the institution of journalism is worth protecting and preserving.

CARTER: It's vital.

STELTER: We'd be worse off as a country without the coverage of these candidates. And that's what Trump misses in his attacks against the media.

CARTER: Except when he opens a new hotel and invites all the press in.

STELTER: Well, that is going to be interesting today. The cameras are all going to be there and a lot of attention for this hotel opening en though it is more of a business event than a campaign event.

CAMEROTA: Right, so how well that be covered.

All right. Brian, Bill, thank you very much.

We're following a lot of news this morning. So, let's get right to it.

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TRUMP: We have a nasty, nasty election. What has happened to our country?

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Pay no attention to the polls. It's going to be a close election.

TRUMP: You know what it is called. It's called voter suppression.

CLINTON: He is declaring defeat before the battle has even started.

TRUMP: Rates are going through the sky. My first day in office, I'm getting rid of this disastrous law.

CLINTON: This all started when George Washington refused to become a king. Donald Trump probably would have called him a loser.

ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(LAUGHTER)

CAMEROTA: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY.

Two candidates barnstorming one battleground state. Florida's 29 electoral votes, obviously a crucial prize for the Clinton and Trump campaign. So, this morning, there is good news for the Trump campaign. This new Bloomberg poll and it shows Trump with a lead in Florida for the first time in weeks.

CUOMO: It comes as Trump is seizing on rising Obamacare premium to attack Clinton. We also got new hacked e-mails that are actually stolen, given to Wiki and now you can read them.

What do they show? This time watch how the White House tried to handle what was going on with the server situation.

Also, Donald Trump in his own words talking about the fear of losing, what he thinks about bankruptcy and his fixation with celebrity. New tapes released by one of his biographers just 13 days from the Election Day.

Let's begin our coverage with CNN's Jeff Zeleny live in Lake Worth, Florida.

That seems to be the place to be, my friend.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: It certainly does, Chris. We're in Palm Beach County here, the heart of the Democratic vote, which is Hillary Clinton will be trying to get out that Democratic vote.