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Plane with Mike Pence On Board Overshoots Runway upon Landing; Donald Trump Suggests Voter Fraud in Texas; Interview with Wisconsin Congressman Sean Duffy; Independent Candidates Makes Utah A Battleground State. Aired 8-8:30a ET

Aired October 28, 2016 - 08:00   ET


[08:05:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We've got to tear ourselves away from this idea that it has to be the Republicans or the Democrats.

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We should just cancel the election, and just give it to Trump, right?

HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No. We demand the right to vote!


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is CNN breaking news.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. We begin with breaking news. The NTSB investigating a near disaster in New York at LaGuardia airport. A charter plane carrying Governor Mike Pence, Donald Trump's running mate, skidded off the runway during a rainstorm there last night, the plane coming to a stop just yards from a busy highway.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: We are happy to report that governor mike pence and 47 other people on board were not hurt. We spoke to the governor moments ago. He says he is grateful for all of the outpouring of concern. CNN's Deb Feyerick is liv at New York's LaGuardia airport with all of the latest details. What happened, Deb?

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There were a lot of very scary moments. All we got word of last night was the plane had overshot the runway. It was a very rainy night. There had already been a ground stop at LaGuardia. Now NTSB investigators are going to look to see what exactly caused that pilot to overshoot the runway.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have an emergency in the airport.

FEYERICK: A frightening experience for Donald Trump's running mate, Mike Pence.

MIKE PENCE, (R) VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Which we landed it was obvious the pilots were braking very aggressively on the runway. We could feel that. And then we began to feel the plane fish tail a little bit. FEYERICK: Flying in from Ft. Dodge, Iowa, the Trump campaign charter

plane carrying the Indiana governor skidding off the runway upon landing at New York's LaGuardia airport.

ELIZABETH LANDERS, CNN PRODUCER: We were moving down the runway much more quickly than a plane should be going if it's landing.

FEYERICK: Investigators will be looking at a variety of factors, including weather. One law enforcement source telling CNN it appears Pence's plane came in to fast and landed too late on a rain-soaked runway. The plane was slowed thanks to slept blocks installed at the end of the runway preventing the plane from careening onto a major highway.

PATRICK FOYE, PORT AUTHORITY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR: The plane ended up in the arrester bed at the end of the runway, destroyed about 80 arrester bed blocks.

FEYERICK: The plane coming to a stop dangerously close to traffic, a safety layer on the runway torn up, avoiding a catastrophe.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stop, stop. Go around. Go around.

FEYERICK: Audio from the air traffic control tower capturing the tense moments, with crews arriving on scene within one minute.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're getting help for you.

FEYERICK: Officials say Pence was reassured by flashing lights upon exiting the plane. Later tweeting, "So thankful everyone on our plane is safe." Trump, reacting to the scare at a rally.

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I just spoke to Mike Pence, and he's fine.


FEYERICK: And Alisyn, you can probably hear some of the planes taking off behind me. The runway now is open. The plane was removed at about 4:00 this morning. But, again, many of the people who were onboard that plane, 37 aides, Secret Service, and the press corps, didn't even realize the plane had skidded off the runway until they got out of the plane. There wasn't any chaos. There was no injuries. There were no injuries. So it was just one of those surprising things that people knew something was wrong, they just didn't quite know what until after that plane came to a stop. Alisyn?

CAMEROTA: That's right, Deb. I mean we did have one of the -- our journalists from CNN on there who just talked about that it was a scary 30 seconds and that you could feel it fishtailing it, and it was -- it did rattle everybody, except Governor Pence who described it as 10 seconds, and said that you know, he was just happy that he could walk off the plane. That meant it was a good landing.

CUOMO: As much as you tried to project onto him your fear of flying, he never took the bait. CAMEROTA: I know.

CUOMO: I've never seen him take bait less.

CAMEROTA: I know. But I don't like that a plane can't land in a driving rainstorm.

CUOMO: A plane can. Although there is a legitimate question that Miles O'Brien brought up and the NTSB I promise will wind up giving us information on this. It is unusual to land late with a tailwind at that short runway at LaGuardia. So why did the pilots make that decision? We'll see.

Another thing we've learned, that EMAS, that engineered material arresting system, these cement boxes that break to stop you on a short runway so you don't go too far, made the difference.

CAMEROTA: That is a good invention.

All right, now to the race for the White House. Only 11 days left. Donald Trump is suggesting that we cancel the election today and declare him the winner. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton hitting the trail with first lady Michelle Obama. CNN's Jason Carroll joins us with more. Is Hillary Clinton cool with canceling it today?


JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I think a lot of people wish this whole thing would be canceled, that's for sure. But Trump has said repeatedly at his rallies that he will spend $100 million of his own money and that if he does not win the entire effort would be a waste. But if he's going to get to the $100 million mark he's going to have to spend a lot more, and time is running out.


[08:05:16] TRUMP: We should just cancel the election and just give it to Trump, right?

CARROLL: Donald Trump re-igniting his unsubstantiated claims of a rigged election.

TRUMP: You look at Texas, a lot of calls were made from Texas, an incredible place. I love Texas. And the lines are massive and they were talking about flipping, you know, where they press a button and they press it for me and another name comes up named crooked Hillary Clinton.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do we have any facts on that?

TRUMP: No, they just call in.

CARROLL: Texas officials deny any voter fraud issues. Trump, who has repeatedly publicly called on African-Americans to support him, now his campaign accused of trying to suppress their turnout through negative advertising, though the campaign denies those allegations. As new campaign finance reports show, Trump drastically slowing the flow of his own money to his campaign after vowing to pump millions more into it.

TRUMP: I will have over $100 million in the campaign.

CARROLL: Filings show the billionaire only put in $30,000 this month after consistently investing $2 million in previous months. Hillary Clinton, nearly doubling Trump's fundraising haul in October.

On the stump in Ohio, Trump slamming the Clintons after hacked e-mails reveal how much Bill Clinton made off lucrative speeches and ties to his foundation's fundraisers.

TRUMP: If the Clintons were willing to play this fast and loose with their enterprise when they weren't in the White House, just imagine what they'll do given the chance to, once again, control the Oval Office.

CARROLL: The Clinton campaign saying in a statement that she never made decisions because of donations to the Clinton Foundation. None of the relationships being reported today are new. Meanwhile, Trump suggesting he might sue NBC over the release of that 2005 "Access Hollywood" video of him making lewd remarks about women.

TRUMP: I think it was very negative. It was locker room talk. The microphone was not supposed to be on, not that I make that an excuse for myself, but certainly it was an illegal act. That was --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you going to take any action after the election against NBC?

TRUMP: You'll see. You'll see.

CARROLL: A sharp contrast to Clinton and the first lady joining forces in the battleground state of North Carolina.

MICHELLE OBAMA, U.S. FIRST LADY: Hillary doesn't play.

CLINTON: Seriously, is there anyone more inspiring than Michelle Obama?

CARROLL: The duo casting Trump's campaign as a war on women.

CLINTON: Dignity and respect for women and girls is also on the ballot in this election.

CARROLL: And condemning Trump's claim of a rigged election.

MICHELLE OBAMA: They are trying to get you to stay home. They are trying to convince you that your vote doesn't matter. They are trying to take away your hope.


CARROLL: And now that we're in the final stretch, I know you guys are happy about that, Trump will be making three stops today in New Hampshire, Maine, and Iowa. Clinton for her part, she has two stops today in Iowa. The president will also be helping her out today. He will be campaigning for her in Orlando, Florida.

CAMEROTA: OK, Jason, thanks so much for the wrap up.

CUOMO: Let us discuss the latest claims from Trump-land with Wisconsin congressman Sean Duffy. He supports Donald Trump. Good to be with you this morning, Duffy.

REP. SEAN DUFFY, (R) WISCONSIN: Hey, good morning, Chris. Thanks for having me on.

CUOMO: So, out of Texas, we hear from Donald Trump the calls are coming in, the calls are coming in are Duffy. They're saying that the machines are not doing what they're supposed to do. Here's the problem with that -- it's not true. There are no calls coming in to him. There might have been a Facebook post from one woman who he doesn't even talk about or hasn't been vetted. What we do know is that your party is in charge of the elections down there and that your secretary of state from Texas from the GOP comes out and says this is untrue, that the people running the elections in those two precincts that were mentioned say this is untrue. Is there any line that is not OK for Donald Trump to step over?

DUFFY: Well, listen, in every election, Chris, you know that we have a conversation about elections being rigged, and Republicans say it and Democrats say it. But I'm going to say it from a guy from central Wisconsin, I don't think this election is going to be rigged. Is there always shenanigans that are played where dead people vote or people vote more than once? There's always allegations about these machines, and we've heard those before, and it's not necessarily who is running the machines in Texas but who manufactured the machines and the programs that run the machines. Those allegations get made. But I think we have a pretty good system.

CUOMO: Sean, I agree with you.

DUFFY: The vote in the --

[08:10:00] CUOMO: Sean this isn't a guy -- this isn't a guy grabbing you by the elbow in the bar and saying, congressman, you know what I heard? This is the guy you backed as president of the United States to be the best version of ourselves, to be our face to the world. It doesn't trouble you that he just jumps on this bald speculation that the whole thing is rigged and be careful about what happens on November 8th because I may not accept it. That's OK?

DUFFY: No, Chris. No, listen, there are things that both candidates say and do that I don't approve of. I don't adopt everything that Donald Trump says or does. But I'm confronted with a choice between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

And I look at some of the scandals, the corruption, the dishonesty that comes from Mrs. Clinton's campaign, and I'll take a guy like Donald Trump, who even talks about a rigged election. I don't know if he got phone calls from people in Texas about those machines that -- I'm not those phone calls or in the campaign, you know, control center.

But Americans are confronted with who is a better choice? And I think through this election, I don't think people are really inspired by either choice but they have to analyze who is the best candidate who is going to grow our economy, give us rising wages, crush and defeat ISIS, secure our border, all issues that we care about in Wisconsin. And that's really what this comes down to. So you see things happening from both sides of the campaigns that we might not approve of as Americans, but the bottom line is, who is the best one to lead the country forward?

CUOMO: Paul R,yan who is a friend of yours and you know him, fellow Wisconsiner, speaker of the House, won't campaign for Trump there. He's doing the down ballot races making sure the party stays in control of the House, hopefully the Senate as well. I'm sure he is doing that. Why? Because he says in so many words that he's going to have to live with this decision afterwards. How are you with that, congressman? Are you confident that Donald Trump will not say or do something if president of the United States that will make you regret what you're doing right now to put him in that position?

DUFFY: I'll come back to Paul Ryan in a second. But I can't say that I could vote for Hillary and she won't say and do things that lead me to believe that she uses the power of the presidency to personally benefit her own family, or that she's going to keep our top secret information safe. Those are the questions that we're confronted with.

But back to Paul Ryan. I mean, Paul is confronted not just running for Congress in southeast Wisconsin. Paul is responsible as the speaker of the House of driving a message about, you know, what ideas are we bringing to the American people that can fix the big issues that confront our country today? You know this and you reported it. We've had a lot more races that have come in to play in this October in the House. And it's Paul's responsibility to go out there and raise money and make sure he brings back a team that is going to fight for common sense principles, reduce regulation, fix our tax code, and -- and so I think it's smart, hey, I'm going to pivot away from Mr. Trump and I'm going to go focus on my job as a speaker and as Republican member of Congress to raise money and fight for my members, to make sure they go --

CUOMO: You know it's more than that. You know better than I do. You know him well. You know that this is about conscience versus convenience. Yes, you should back you nominee. That's easier. It's going to be easier within the party, especially for young stars like you, you know, who doesn't want you know who who's there's no reason for you want to make trouble for yourself that you don't create yourself. But he's making a different decision. He's saying no, I don't buy it. I don't want to own it. I don't want to say that I'm about the same things that Donald Trump is. I'm going to be for my party and those ideas. You're not doing that.

DUFFY: Hold on. No, no, no. So Paul Ryan hasn't withdrawn his support or endorsement --

CUOMO: No but he won't campaign for him. When does that happen? DUFFY: Hold on. In Wisconsin we have a great Republican party from

the Scott Walker --

CUOMO: True --

DUFFY: -- best party in the state -- in the country. And Paul Ryan has driven $1 million into our get out the vote operation that helped Senator Ron Johnson but also helped Donald Trump. Paul is doing things that truly help get out our vote that help Donald Trump. Now, he might not be hitting the campaign trail with him, but the things that he does is helping our ticket up and down from the top to the Senate to house races.

And again, it's easy to come at me and say, hey, Duffy, why are you supporting Trump? Look at all these bad things that he says and does. We also have to be confronted with look at all the bad things that Hillary Clinton does. Yes, Donald Trump has things that make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. But Hillary Clinton is corrupt, using American power for her own personal gain. That's an affront to the American system.

You might disagree with people on policy and decisions that they make, but that you would bring wealth to your family from a position that the American people gave you, I think Americans completely reject. And I think Democrats should be confronted with, you know, those questions. I would love people to ask more how could you -- how could you support a candidate like Hillary Clinton who would destroy 33,000 e-mails, one, e-mails that are the American people's e-mails, but after you got a preservation order from the Congress to keep them and turn them over, she destroyed them with a BleachBit. She destroyed her cell phone so we couldn't recover that information.

[08:15:08] This goes to the heart of who she is as a person --

CUOMO: Congressman, you do know that the FBI -- you do know that the FBI found Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with destroying the e- mails that was done by an independent contractor who was told to preserve them who was told to destroy them earlier --

DUFFY: Oh, come on, Chris.

CUOMO: Hey, they did the investigation. I'm not making a political argument. I love to see prosecutions, I'm a lawyer. I'm saying they found it. They gave the guy an immunity deal hoping he would say what you just said and he didn't. That's why they couldn't bring a case. I'm just pointing out facts.

DUFFY: Chris, whose e-mails are they and who cell phone was it?

CUOMO: Hers.

DUFFY: How did this person get her personal cell phone --

CUOMO: Hers.

DUFFY: -- that they were able to destroy? You know, it was multiple cell phones.

And if you want to go to that extent even with the FBI, she came to Congress, and she told us that she didn't have any secure private information on her server, right? No American secrets. Well, Comey came in and said, no, no, she did have confidential information on her servers.

CUOMO: Right.

DUFFY: So, she lied to the Congress. That's a crime.

I'm not saying she should be prosecuted. But I'm saying, listen, we have real issues here. And whether -- whether we want to look at what kind of investigation was done by the FBI, or what the DOJ chose to do in regard to prosecution, that's a different fact and we know I was a prosecutor. We make decisions all the time --

CUOMO: I hear you.

DUFFY: -- or not. Or not whether you can win or lose but what is the right thing to do.

CUOMO: I hear you.

DUFFY: That's beside the point of did she do these things that I think are relevant to the American voter and the American people as they go to the ballot box on November 8th. And I think we're considering all these factors.

CUOMO: Congressman --

DUFFY: The good and the bad and the ugly of Donald Trump and the good, the bad and the ugly of Hillary Clinton. And that's why I think getting the information out, all of it, so we can make an informed decision is a really good thing for the American voter.

CUOMO: Congressman Duffy, well argued. Good to have you on NEW DAY as always. Thank you, sir.

DUFFY: Hey, thanks, Chris.

CUOMO: All right. Alisyn?

CAMEROTA: Independent presidential candidate Evan McMullin has a chance to do something extraordinary, to win a state and its electoral votes. Could he play a pivotal role in keeping Donald Trump out of the White House? He joins us with his thoughts, next.


[08:20:49] CAMEROTA: The state of Utah has gone red in the last 12 presidential elections. But CNN's new electoral map puts the state now as a toss-up. Donald Trump is facing a Hillary Clinton, but also a conservative running as an independent. That's the man, Evan McMullin, joins us now.

Good morning, Mr. McMullin.

EVAN MCMULLIN, INDEPENDENT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Good morning. Great to be with you, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Let's look at the latest polls, because they're fascinating. This is the Y2 Analytics Utah presidential poll. It shows Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump neck and neck at 26 percent, and you nipping at their heels at 22 percent. And then, Gary Johnson all the way down at 14 percent, Jill Stein at 1 percent.

Beyond being a native son of Utah, as you are, what do you think is resonating about you with voters?

MCMULLIN: Well, we're the only conservative ticket in this race, Alisyn. And Utah before it's a red state, before it's a Republican state, it's a principled conservative state. People here care about the Constitution. They care about the fundamental truths and principles that have made our country the most powerful and prosperous on earth. Namely that all men and women are created equal and that we all have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

And they don't see that or common decency being reflected by the Republican nominee, Donald Trump, and so, as the conservative presidential candidate in this race, I think our message is resonating re.

CAMEROTA: But, boy, have you -- the bear of some conservative media voices. Let me play for you. Here's Sean Hannity on FOX expressing his ire towards you.


SEAN HANNITY, FOX: Who's this idiot that's running third party that's killing Trump out in Utah? Who put him up? What was it? The Bush people? The Romney people? Seriously? Really you going to elect Hillary because we lose Utah?


CAMEROTA: I have more. Here's Lou Dobbs of Fox Business Network who tweeted this, "Look deeper at him. He's nothing but a globalist. Romney and Mormon mafia tool."

What do you say to that?

MCMULLIN: Well, it's all -- it's all interesting. But it's interesting that these people who consider themselves so-called conservatives, especially Sean Hannity, would so attack us.

You know have to ask yourself at this point, what do these men really stand for? Do they stand for conservatism? Do they stand for the timeless truths on which this country was founded? Why would they stand with Donald Trump if they're true, as he attacks people based on their faith, their race, their gender? You have to wonder, are they really conservatives? And in fact I

think we have to ask ourselves what does the Republican Party stand for anymore? Right now we have most elected officials with the party standing with Donald Trump, even as he brags about the sexual assault of women, even as he aligns himself with Bashar al Assad, and Putin. This is a guy who I think is really demonstrating that the Republican Party has lost its way and abandoned its core principles.

CAMEROTA: But speaking of faith, I mean what does Mormon mafia tool even mean?

MCMULLIN: Well, I've asked that same question, Alisyn. I'd really love if Lou Dobbs would have me on, and I would love to ask him that very question. I'd love to hear him describe exactly what is the Mormon mafia. I think it would be pretty interesting to hear.

I don't know what it means. But I will tell you that it isn't surprising that a supporter of Donald Trump, not that they're all this way I want to make that clear, but the hallmark of Donald Trump's campaign has been to attack people based on their race and religion and all of this. And so it's not a surprise to me at all.

We're kind of having fun with it. But the truth is that this country is for everyone. This country is for people of all races and religions, and certainly both genders are equal and should be treated as such. That's something that if you don't understand that, you have no business leading this country.

And I actually have the same criticism of those who are standing with Donald Trump from the Republican Party now.

[08:25:05] It's truly unfortunate if they're not going to stand up for Americans who are being attacked on these grounds, their religion, their gender, their race, what good are they for leadership of our country?

CAMEROTA: Well, but, I mean, I think the Sean Hannity's point is that you're actually siphoning votes away from Donald Trump, and thereby helping to elect Hillary Clinton. Are you comfortable with that being the possible outcome?

MCMULLIN: Well, I absolutely reject that idea so fundamentally. Look, we have a privilege and a right in this country to run for office. I'm availing myself of that right with my running mate. And that's what we're doing. And we're standing up for conservative principles.

Now, we've got to get away from this idea that we have to vote for either one or two -- or one of the two major party candidates. This year, they've given us Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Two people who I think are deeply corrupt, and unfit, and self-serving.

These are not the kind of leaders we need in this country. This is the greatest country on earth and I believe we have a bright future. But we need leaders who are honest and wise, who will uphold our Constitution, and respect the equality and liberty of all. CAMEROTA: I only have a few seconds left. What if you win Utah but

lose the presidency? Then what?

MCMULLIN: Well, we're building a new conservative movement and we're excited about that. Regardless of what happens on November 8th. Obviously, we want to do as well as possible. But it's time for a new conservative movement in this country that will be open to people of all races and religions and both genders will welcome millennials into the fold.

This is the future. We're winning the millennials here in Utah by a large margin even over Hillary Clinton, so that's the future. That's what we're building. And I believe that's the kind of leadership this country needs.

CAMEROTA: Evan McMullin great to get your perspective on these positions. Thanks so much for talking to us.

MCMULLIN: Thank you, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Let's get to Chris.

CUOMO: All right, so Trump keeps saying the election is rigged. But Clinton warns it's an effort to keep her supporters home on Election Day. Is that true? There is a basis. We'll discuss it next with Senator Claire McCaskill.