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Clinton & Trump on Foreign Trade; What Should Trump Say to Voters Who Want Change?; President Candidates' Media Strategy in Final Stretch. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired November 03, 2016 - 06:30   ET

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[06:30:00] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: We're laughing, but I'm laughing at the ridiculousness of it. He has to say to himself, don't put my foot in my mouth or attack anyone.

DAVID GREGORY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Right. This is real input that he's getting that he has to stay on track. It's why, you know, the argument is that he is so dangerous.

I think there's one more thing to keep in mind. How many people have already made up their mind about how they're going to vote and are they so depressed that they may not come out to vote versus late deciders who may be buffeted one way or the other by Comey or these other factors?

RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: I think we're past 30 million people who have actually voted already.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Interesting. All right. Gentlemen, thank you so much for going through the numbers and the strategy with us.

CUOMO: Probably have 130 million in votes. A long way to go.

Election day just five long days away. We will be there for in unique fashion, all day, every race, every count. CNN will have it for you.

CAMEROTA: All right. Donald Trump making a lot of bold and controversial claims at his rallies. What should he really be focusing on to sway undecided voters? We talk about that, next.

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[06:35:10] CUOMO: Trade deals have become a central issue of this election. So, let's look at where each candidate stands on trade.

CAMEROTA: OK. We'll start with Donald Trump. He has come out fiercely against recent trade deals. He criticizes countries like China and Mexico for practices he says are hurting American workers.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're living through the greatest jobs theft in the history of the world. They're stealing our jobs. They're stealing our companies. They're taking our money. We have drugs, we have debt, we have empty factories. That's going to end.

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CUOMO: Now, the rub is Trump is running as a change agent, but he's one of the people who's been taking away from the American job base, specifically failing to lay out policies for his own contracting, for his own making of goods and, also, contracts not being specific about his own trade positions.

CAMEROTA: All right. So, Trump does, however, pledge to withdraw from the Trans Pacific Partnership, TPP, and NAFTA, if the United States is unable to renegotiate the terms of that deal.

CUOMO: He also promises to appoint, quote, "tough and smart negotiators" to identify and end foreign trade violations. Trump also says he's going to crack down on China, a place where he uses them to make some of his goods, labeling the country a currency manipulator, maybe even imposing tariffs if China doesn't change its ways.

CAMEROTA: OK, let's look at Hillary Clinton's position on trade. Her position on free trade is less clear cut. So, for years, she has gone case by case on various trade deals. She explained her thought process at t first presidential debate. Listen to this.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When I was in the Senate, I had a number of trade deals that came before me. And I held them all to the same test. Will they create jobs in America? Will they raise incomes in America? And are they good for our national security?

Some of them I voted for. The biggest one, a multi-national one know as CAFTA, I voted against. And because I hold the same standards as I look at all of these trade deals.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CUOMO: All right, now, in terms of her husband's signature trade agreement, NAFTA, negotiated by Bush put passed into law by Clinton, she spoke favorably of the deal as first lady, and then changed her position during her first run for president, calling the deal a mistake.

CAMEROTA: Now, when it comes to President Obama's signature trade agreement, TPP, Clinton now opposes that deal despite calling it, quote, "the gold standard" while it was being negotiated. She also promises to strengthen trade enforcement and stand up to countries like China. She also wants to make companies that move businesses overseas pay an exit tax.

And she plans to force companies getting tax breaks to pay that money back, if they outsource overseas. All right. Those are their positions on trade. Over to you, Chris.

CUOMO: Magic, I moved.

All right. So, the election is framed by some as a referendum on President Obama's policies. And there's no question that there is a whole host of issues that resonate with voters wanting change.

So, what is Trump doing in terms of staying on message versus stepping on his message?

Let's discuss. We have CNN political analyst with us, Margaret Hoover, a commentator and political consultant. We should point out, she is not supporting Donald Trump.

All right. So, the fight against is huge with people. They do not feel safe. What does he say?

MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Come on, Donald.

CUOMO: He's thinking about it.

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TRUMP: ISIS is honoring President Obama. He is the founder of ISIS. He's the founder of ISIS, OK? He is the founder. He founded ISIS. And I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton.

So, now, we're bogged down in Mosul, the enemy is much tougher than they thought. They had a lot of time to get ready. They're using human shields all over the place.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CUOMO: Now, strong rhetoric impresses the crowd. Here's the problem, patently false. Obama, President Obama did not give birth to ISIS. Any military expert will tell you that. Certainly, Hillary Clinton wouldn't be the co-founder.

Mosul, you can't find a general who is currently active that agrees with his assessment. Yet, these are two ripe areas for the GOP to argue. What should he be saying?

HOOVER: Right. I mean, Donald Trump has a very good argument to make about the Obama administration's role in the creation of ISIS. All right? That is not an overstatement.

He can argue that Hillary Clinton's State Department didn't diplomatically engage Iraq, didn't diplomatically engage Iraq to renegotiate the status of forces agreement when they got -- came into power.

[06:40:03] They instead hands off, left the country to politically crumble and that created more of a power vacuum for ISIS to take control. That's a real argument. But in two debates and many times when it was brought up didn't have

time to make the sort of detailed policy case that they really did have a role to play here.

CUOMO: His sounds better, the problem is it ignores fact.

HOOVER: It actually -- it sounds worse because the imprecision --

CUOMO: Crowd loves it.

HOOVER: The crowd loves it, but as an American president, our allies, our enemies, everybody is listening to every single word you say and precision matters.

CUOMO: OK, Obama care. Again, people don't like it. They're seeing their premiums go up. They don't see an end in sight. Here's what Trump says.

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TRUMP: We will be able to immediately repeal and replace Obamacare. Have to do it. I will ask congress to convene a special session so we can repeal and replace.

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CUOMO: OK. Here's the problem. Congress will be in session. He doesn't have to call a special session. So, that doesn't make sense. Immediately repeal and replace. Offering something by all estimates he cannot deliver. Why?

HOOVER: Well, I mean, look, any president you know 27 times presidents have called a special session of Congress. So, if he did need to, that's not constitutionally out of the ordinary.

CUOMO: Usually when Congress isn't in session.

HOOVER: What he should be doing here, right, as the top of the Republican ticket, the reason Republicans haven't repealed Obamacare is because they haven't had a Senate and a House. What he should be doing is use the platform to help the down ballot Senate race and saying, if you| want me and the American Congress, you have to go vote for Rob Portman, Joe Heck, Kelly Ayotte. He should be using this as an opportunity to help the Senate candidates down ballot. That's the key to repealing Obamacare.

CUOMO: And he could have a much more detailed plan about what he would replace it with. He's not giving people enough other than a promise that this one goes. Will that be enough? We'll see.

Now, the Obama coalition is a big task here. Can you make end roads? There are arguments to be made that you can go t| inner city communities with. Now, what does Donald Trump say?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: African-Americans are living in hell in the inner cities. I mean, they're living -- they're living in hell. You walk to the store for a loaf of bread, you get shot. We're going to fix our inner cities.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CUOMO: OK. This guy needs to lower the sign because he's the one African-American guy.

Now, ghettoizing the African-American reality is offensive to a lot of African-Americans, even used the word our ghettos. This is not the reality for most African-Americans. Is he missing the opportunity here to say something real?

HOOVER: You know, he is missing an opportunity. There is actually one of his good surrogates, Rudy Giuliani helped turn around New York city in the early '90 when there were 2,000 murders a year. When you had terrible inner city plight like you did see in Chicago. The south side of Chicago right now, where there is a huge amount of crime that really does disproportionately affect African-American and Latino communities.

CUOMO: Absolutely.

HOOVER: You know, there are a couple things he could have done. He could make a policy or argument for urban renewal. He also often doesn't make the Second Amendment argument here. I mean, some of the cities where the crime is worse is actually where there are high gun control laws.

And that doesn't stop the fact that there are murders with handguns, weapons every day. He could make a Second Amendment argument here, too. A couple ways he could go. Again, just to ghettoize the minority community doesn't help make end roads to that community.

CUOMO: Especially if you don't talk about how to end poverty, because poverty is the common factor when it comes to crime.

HOOVER: You could also talk education reform, by the way.

CUOMO: Absolutely.

HOOVER: Which immediately goes -- I mean, like this could be the civil rights issue of the next generation if Republicans really take hold of it.

HOOVER: Education eradicates poverty.

Margaret Hoover, thank you very much. Appreciate the perspective, as always.

Alisyn?

CAMEROTA: All right, Chris.

There is this fall heat wave that is keeping parts of the country warm. Is it coming to an end?

CNN meteorologist Jennifer Gray with the forecast.

What are you seeing, Jennifer?

JENNIFER GRAY, AMS METEOROLOGIST: That's right, Alisyn. We are going to see a little bit of a cool down in the Northeast.

So, first, this weather report is brought to you by Humana. At Humana, we think great things are ahead of you when your health ready for them.

So, let's get to that cooler weather, especially in the Northeast. So, temperatures above average is what they've been over the past couple of days. Now, that's all going to change when cooler air starts to filter in across mainly the Northeast. Some of that will touch the Deep South.

But as this happens, warm weather will build in the west across the plains, the Rockies. We're not talking about hot conditions. It will actually be quite pleasant.

So, temperatures are going to go from say New York City Thursday's high of 71 degrees, by Sunday, your high temperature will be at 56. So, definitely feeling like fall in the Northeast. D.C. goes from 78 today to 66 on Sunday. So, quite a change there.

[06:45:01] Early look at your Election Day forecast could see some scattered showers in the South, as well as around the Great Lakes. If you want to avoid some of those, Chris, you may want to get out and vote early.

CUOMO: All right. J-Gray, what happened to the herring run on the East Coast, our fishing not what it was supposed to do. I believe you made a false promise there. We'll take it online.

GRAY: Bummer. All right.

CUOMO: All right. Up next, we're taking a closer look at Trump and Clinton's media strategies as we head into the home stretch. There was a ton of dough being spent. Where and what is their final message to you, next.

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CAMEROTA: So, the presidential candidates are flooding the air waves in the final stretch of the campaign. In fact, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump bought ads in last night's final World Series game to reach all of those millions of people watching.

So, how are they getting their message into your head with just five days left?

Joining us now, CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter, and CNN media analyst Bill Carter.

[06:50:03] Guys, great to see you.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Good morning.

BILL CARTER, CNN MEDIA ANALYST: Good morning.

CAMEROTA: So, both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are avoiding any big sit down interviews with journalists with the news, I should say. Hillary Clinton did sit down with "People" magazine. That's not sort of a traditional news site.

So what is the point of that? Just to do a featury, fluffy, feel-good feel?

STELTER: Yes, she's also been on Univision. She was on J-Lo on Extra. She's doing entertainment formats but not news. It makes, of course, a lot of political sense, but it causes us journalists to be frustrated.

There are a lot of questions we would like to ask Clinton and Trump in these final days of the election. I think it's unlikely they will make themselves available between now and Election Day.

CUOMO: But you have a nuance effect here, Bill. You have Hillary Clinton who has never been media hyper-friendly, OK? It's hard. The Podesta e-mails trying to get her to come on the show. They kept saying no, no, no.

Donald Trump has a different vibe going on. He has this piece of sound out there right now where he is literally talking to himself saying, stay on message, Donald. He, if it had not been for the Comey bomb, I opine, he would have been all over the TV this week.

CARTER: Yes, he would have needed it.

CUOMO: They are hiding him and he's complying. Is that in a way its own criticism that they don't trust the guy to go out there and talk to the media?

CARTER: They have reason to be nervous about it because he's gone off the reservation on so many occasions, when the narrative wasn't that bad for him and he turned it around.

This narrative is working for him. So, they're saying, stop. Just don't say anything and don't blow the narrative right now.

CAMEROTA: It's not just that they're saying it. He's been out loud to himself so that we can hear his inner monologue. Let's just play that for our viewers for a moment.

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TRUMP: Feeling like it already, isn't it? Just we've got to be nice and cool. Nice and cool.

All right. Stay on point, Donald. Stay on point. No side tracks, Donald. Nice and easy. Nice, because I've been watching Hillary the last few days. She's totally unhinged. We don't want any of that. She has become unhinged.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: For anyone who's ever wondered inside his head, there's a window.

CARTER: Sounds like puppet, no puppet. They're telling him, you're a puppet now. Don't say anything else.

STELTER: He's got great comic timing. It's what his fans love about him, his humor. I find that to be so funny.

CARTER: It's effective.

STELTER: Whether it was self aware or not, very funny.

CUOMO: Something else they love about him, Brian, they're not going to get it, him taking it on straight ahead. The man who said, don't listen to my campaign, listen to me. I will make my own case. If you want to hear it, get it straight.

He is now by taking that advice out loud, which is odd by any estimate, he is also proving the point that he doesn't trust himself to sit where you are right now and deal with what's going on in this race.

STELTER: You know, he's not talking about election rigging and the idea of a stolen election the way it was weeks ago. And maybe that's because he senses he has a real chance to win. He is trying to stay on message. He's trying to stay disciplined.

But, you know, Dana Bash has great headline on our website this morning. He says, can teleprompter Trump stay disciplined? Five days actually is a long time for someone like Donald Trump to try to stay on message.

CARTER: He was a little undisciplined with his Katy Tur comments, because that looks again --

STELTER: Right, he was taunting NBC --

CAMEROTA: What did he say?

CARTER: Well, you're not covering, Katy, you're not doing it. Katy, you're not doing it.

CUOMO: Called her out by name.

CARTER: And it sounds, again, like him bullying a woman, which I don't think comes across, you know, positive.

CAMEROTA: You know, what is also interesting is he is not counterpunching, because that's what he loves, that's what he thrives on a Hillary Clinton has given him some opportunities because she has been reviving the Alicia Machado stuff. Last night during the World Series, she put out two ads that were negative about Trump's character. He also put out two ads that but they were more mixed. Some negative about her and some about positive, that he would do.

So, we know, he's admitted how challenging it is for him not to hit back.

STELTER: I thought this was very smart of the Trump campaign last night, to have this compare and contrast ads, negative about Clinton, but every positive about Trump. Clinton's ads were much darker overall, really just focusing on Trump's own words. We know the campaign believes that has been effective.

But I thought during the World Series, it was nice for Trump to have a positive message about himself.

CARTER: Yes. I do think that's a big audience and they both went after this big audience. But at this point in the campaign, I think people are tuning that stuff out. I just think -- particularly people have seen all these ads in this battleground states, they are so sick of this. I don't think they're reacting very positively at the ad.

CUOMO: There's something contributing to this. And, Brian, you know, kudos to you. You really -- sometimes one of us winds up encapsulating what is in everybody else's head and what you talk about with fake news and a lot of these blogs that get counted just because it's a dotcom, as if it's the same thing as CNN.com and they're putting out, the reason people are so sick of it, so much fake information. There's so much high hate and low information in so much of this.

And, often, if you're not on your game or you're so hungry for the message of these fugazi sites, you could get caught. Like Sean Hannity did.

[06:55:01] What do we have to demonstrate what happened to him the other night?

CAMEROTA: I think we just tell the story, basically.

CUOMO: Oh, I thought we actually had Sean.

So, he got caught by a fantasy news site. Tell us what happened.

STELTER: He did. He was tricked by one of these sites that said Michelle Obama and Elizabeth Warren and President Obama had been unfollowing Clinton on Twitter, deleting their tweets about here. This was a suggestion they were all trying to run away from Clinton at the final days.

It was nonsense and it was easy to disprove if you went on Twitter.com and Hannity wanted it to be true. And that's the problem with these fake news sites. I said over the weekend, you have to triple check before you share something on Facebook nowadays because a lot of sites out there that are trying to actively trick people. CARTER: Absolutely.

CAMEROTA: But isn't there also a problem? Hannity is not a journalist. People might think he's a journalist because --

CUOMO: He says it. He says he's not a journalist.

CARTER: That's giving him an excuse for not checking the way a journalist would check.

STELTER: He's not a journalist, but a broadcaster. When you have a microphone on, you have a responsibility when that microphone is on, not to mislead your audience.

CAMEROTA: Do you? I think he has a responsibility to entertain your audience. Journalists are different than broadcasters.

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CUOMO: That's it.

There are no open minds in this race on the left or the right. They deal with it differently. But he's going for what people who are watching FOX News which is confirmation bias.

STELTER: Can we all restart next Wednesday?

CUOMO: No, because it won't be over. No matter who wins --

STELTER: Erase our minds and start over.

CARTER: The genie doesn't go back in this bottle.

CUOMO: There will be deep into efforts to discredit.

CAMEROTA: I like the idea of a mind eraser, though.

Brian, Bill, stick around, because we have some laughs for you, with the election winding down, the comics are getting their final punches in. Here are your late-night laughs right now.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMES CORDEN, TV HOST/COMEDIAN: We hope we can make you laugh a little tonight, we really do, because it was national stress awareness day today. And due to the election, plenty of people have something to be stressed about. In fact, when asked on a scale of one to ten how stressed they are right now, most voters punched the pollster in the face.

JIMMY FALLON, TV HOST/COMEDIAN: A new poll finds that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are in a statistical tie just a week from Election Day. But on the bright side, Trump is finally in a tie that was made in America.

Just as we said before, a week until the election and the polls just keep coming. In fact, a new poll finds that 73 percent of Tinder use support Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, which makes sense because people on Tinder are used to looking at their options and going, I guess.

SETH MEYERS, TV HOST/COMEDIAN: Trump is now campaigning in states like Michigan and Wisconsin, which haven't voted for a Republican in decades and his supporters even seem to think he could win in a true blue state like Minnesota, although their evidence for that claim is a little thin.

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Newt Gingrich has been pointing out all day that there was a statewide election of high school students in Minnesota. Seventy-seven thousand high school students voted. Donald Trump won.

MEYERS: You think high school students voting for Trump means he'll win Minnesota? If high school votes determine who won, our next president will be whoever brings weed to prom or as he's more commonly known, Gary Johnson.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

CAMEROTA: That is great. Much needed.

So, Brian, do you believe that either of the candidates will be "Saturday Night Live" this weekend?

STELTER: I believe Clinton will be. I don't know that for sure. I'm still trying to check it out. How could she pass up this chance?

CARTER: I think she will take the chance.

CAMEROTA: What about Trump?

CARTER: He has been on as a host. I don't think they're going to bring him back. I don't think so. I think they've given him his shot.

CUOMO: Does Lorne Michaels let him on the show after what Trump said about SNL? What about the pride of the program?

CARTER: Yes. No, if he was there, I guess they'd have to -- I think they'd put him on. I don't think that would keep him from being put on. He was the host. It does balance it by having her on.

STELTER: If Clinton is on, and Trump isn't though, they will have to give Trump free air time in a bunch of different markets.

CAMEROTA: See?

STELTER: They'll have to give late night ads just to be fair and balanced.

CARTER: That's right.

CAMEROTA: All right. CUOMO: "SNL" has to be and balanced?

STELTER: Weird FCC rules.

CARTER: Only in certain markets. It's very weird.

CAMEROTA: Fascinating. All right, guys. Thanks so much for looking at it all.

CUOMO: All right. We're talking about the election in terms of what history might be made. Well, we had great history made last night. The Cubs won the World Series. Let's get to it.

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CLINTON: Imagine with me what it would be like to have Donald Trump sitting in the Oval Office.

TRUMP: Stay on point, Donald. Stay on point. Nice and easy. Nice --

CLINTON: Everything he has said and done in his career and in this campaign is a pretty good preview of what's to come.

TRUMP: You think Hillary is going to restore honesty in the government? I don't think so, folks.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's not often where you can move the arc of history. Don't let that chance slip away.

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN BLEACHER REPORT: What a game, what a series.

SPORTS ANCHOR: A moment that many thought might never happen.

ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.

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