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Trump, Clinton Intensify Battleground Blitz; Interview with Sen. Amy Klobuchar; Interview with Rep. Renee Ellmers; Chicago to Celebrate Cubs Victory with Parade. Aired 7-7:30a ET

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Of course.

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. Of course, Chris. We are seeing Donald Trump really invest so much time in this critical state for him. Precious time in the last final days of this campaign.

[07:00:12] Last night he gave a big defense-focused speech. A big issue for many voters here in North Carolina, where he was joined by veterans on stage and went right after Hillary Clinton.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: To think of her being their boss? I don't think so. And, you know, they're incredible patriots. They would never say a thing. But I know what they're thinking. It's not -- it's not for them, believe me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SERFATY: Meantime, Melania Trump was out campaigning in Pennsylvania, holding her first big, solo speech since her Republican National Convention speech in July. She talked about what her platform would be as a potential first lady. She would focus on cyberbullying.

Of course, critics noting that there is a bit of irony to that, given her husband's penchant for name calling and Twitter tirades. Here's Melania Trump.

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MELANIA TRUMP, WIFE OF DONALD TRUMP: It is never OK when a 12-year- old girl or boy is marked, bullied or attacked.

It is absolutely unacceptable when it's done by someone with no name, hiding on the Internet.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SERFATY: And going into this final weekend out here on the campaign trail, Donald Trump will be holding just a flurry of campaign events, including notably that he will be returning here to North Carolina twice over the next four days, and he will be holding a big, closing message rally, his last rally of the campaign Monday night with his running mate in Manchester, New Hampshire -- Chris. CUOMO: All right, Sunlen. Thank you very much.

On one side of the ball for Hillary Clinton, if she wants to win North Carolina, she's going to need to get the minority vote out much more than it was, and she's going to have to get young voters out in big numbers. And to do that, she's using key supporters.

Covering that for us, CNN senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny, here with more. Who do they got out there and what are they doing?

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris.

Pharrell was out there yesterday, joining Bernie Sanders, not exactly one of those young entertainers. But they looked pretty good together. But anyway, four days before election day, Hillary Clinton is trying to shake Democrats and some Trump skeptics to attention with a blunt warning that she could actually lose. She did that yesterday in North Carolina. She's still trying to disqualify Donald Trump, something she thought she had done after those three debates. But her optimistic closing argument is now replaced by a stark message about the prospect of a Trump presidency.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: America will have a new president. It will either be me or my opponent. The question is what kind of change are we going to see? Are we going to build a stronger, fairer, better America; or are we going to fear each other and fear our future?

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ZELENY: And, today, Clinton is not focusing on expanding the map. She's defending blue territory in Pennsylvania and Michigan. Both states have gone Democratic in the last six presidential races.

This morning, we are getting another look at where she's setting her sights for the final push here. In addition to Pittsburgh and Detroit, she's heading to Cleveland, followed by Florida, and Philadelphia on Saturday. A quick trip to New Hampshire, back to Ohio, and that final campaign event in Philadelphia with President Obama on Monday night.

Alisyn, that is a central question here. Can President Obama help her -- pull her over the finish line? They'll be together on election eve.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Let's try to get some of those answers, Jeff. Thanks for all that.

Joining us now is Democratic senator Amy Klobuchar. She is a Clinton supporter. Good morning, Senator.

SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR (D), MINNESOTA: Well, good morning, Alisyn. It's great to be on. CAMEROTA: Great to have you on. So things are getting tense. The

race is tight. I mean, we are in the final stretch here. And in some pivotal states, the race is neck and neck.

Let me pull up a couple of polls for you and our viewers right now. In Colorado, if you look at likely voters, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are neck and neck, exactly tied, 39 percent to 39 percent.

If you look at New Hampshire, same type of thing. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump exactly tied at 42 to 42.

What do you think, Senator, is the reason that this race is so tight? Do you chalk some of this up to the so-called Comey effect of injecting just enough kind of uncertainty into these last days of the race?

KLOBUCHAR: Well, I think after this is all done, we can look at the day-to-day tracking, but I think we always knew that this race was going to be close. Secretary Clinton has been saying that from the beginning.

And, in fact, in states like Colorado and New Hampshire, she is actually expected to win, if you look at all the polls combined here. And, in fact, in the last few days, in a number of national polls, she's gone ahead after a bit of a dip last -- earlier in the week where some of the states tied up.

[07:05:04] So I'm very positive about her chances. And you -- when you look at those numbers, it doesn't even show the ground game. That has not been Donald Trump's focus.

I was just on a phone call with 300 volunteers and organizers in for the state of Virginia, where she is well ahead. They still have 40,000 shifts over the weekend that they have filled for people to make calls. To make sure people get to the polls.

It's going to be extraordinary, because she came up through grassroots politics, and I think you can't forget that factor, as well. And just that every prediction right now is that she is still ahead in most of these swing states.

CAMEROTA: We do hear about the Clinton ground game. And we do hear that maybe she could even use, if she could use the Obama apparatus, all the better.

But what we've heard on the other side is, yes, Donald Trump is a newcomer. Maybe he doesn't have the ground game. However, the RNC has told us that they have been working on their ground game for the past three years. They say they have an incredibly sophisticated ground game. They do not think they will be at a disadvantage on Tuesday.

KLOBUCHAR: Well, I think the first thing you could look at is the early votes. If you want to have some -- that's a ground game, too. Or people getting out. What are people passionate about. Just those numbers the other day from Nevada and Florida and Arizona,

where you've seen the Hispanic vote turning out in droves and unprecedented numbers, where you see most of the swing state early votes where you can figure out what's happening, focused on Democrats and people voting for Hillary Clinton. I just see the signs when I talk to experts on this, are that she is doing well, that she is strong.

And you look at the closing arguments going into this campaign, where she is able to reiterate her points that were made so well in the debates. That who do you want as commander in chief? Someone who's cozying up to Putin, someone who has talked about adding nuclear weapons to Asia; or someone who has had the experience over years to make tough decisions like going after Obama bin Laden?

CAMEROTA: Yes. If you look at the early voting, you're right. The Hispanic vote is up over 2012. However, the black vote is down in early voting from 2012 and 2008. How big of a concern is that for you?

KLOBUCHAR: I believe that the black vote will turn out. I think you see the president out there making the most effective case. I don't know who could be better, except maybe Michelle Obama in making that case with the kind of support and the kind of love that the African- American community has for both of them and for the Clintons over time.

And I am not concerned about that. I think certain states there's emphasis in certain states that may have a lower percentage of African-American votes and then they come out later. I think it's too early to tell. But I only brought up the Hispanic vote, because you were asking about, well, how can we tell about enthusiasm level, and I think so far all the signs point to a strong enthusiasm level on the Hillary Clinton side.

CAMEROTA: Donald Trump is trying to paint a troubling picture of what could happen if Hillary Clinton were to make it to the White House. Let me play for you very quickly what he said yesterday on the campaign trail.

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D. TRUMP: Here we go, again, with Clinton. You remember the impeachment and the problems. She's likely to be under investigation for many, many years. Also likely to conclude in a criminal trial. This is not what we need in this country, folks. We need somebody that's going to go to work.

(END VIDEO CLIP

Camerota: OK. So, what he says is not true. There's no evidence that it is likely to conclude in a criminal trial. However, right or wrong, do you think that there is some investigation fatigue that may play a part on Tuesday with voters?

KLOBUCHAR: Well, first of all, thank you for beginning by pointing out the facts, that we know that there has been no actual legal proceeding. The one investigation has been concluded looking at her e-mails. Some e-mails showed up and that the FBI director has simply said they're going to look at them. But we don't have any proof of what Donald Trump has said that.

I think it's very important that the American people know that.

On the other hand, as your CNN analyst just pointed out, you have hundreds of legal suits that were brought against Donald Trump in the past decades. One that is pending in federal court about Trump University or in the court that you're going to see just coming to a case. Like it's actually going to trial.

So, I don't think he should be throwing stones when he, himself, has been living in a glass house of lawsuits. Many of tm brought on by himself over the last few decades.

So, I just think that this is just an unfair criticism. What we really should be doing these last four days is talking about the closing arguments. The fact that we're adding jobs, again, to the economy. And that Hillary Clinton wants to continue the work of a strong economy for all Americans, not just the ones at the top.

CAMEROTA: We will be showing those jobs numbers at the end of NEW DAY this morning. Amy Klobuchar, Senator, thank you very much for being on NEW DAY.

KLOBUCHAR: Thanks Alisyn. It's great to be on.

CAMEROTA: Let's get to Chris.

[07:10:16] CUOMO: All right. Let's balance out this discussion. North Carolina is getting a lot of attention, no question. Both sides are there in a big way. Here are the latest polls.

Clinton, three-point lead. Remember, Obama lost this state in 2012, won it in 2008. CNN's poll of polls shows a similar number to that. Trump trailing by four. Can he come back in the Tarheel State?

Let's ask Republican Congresswoman Renee Ellmers of North Carolina. She supports Donald Trump.

Congresswoman, I heard you. I was watching you listen to our last segment, and you had this stink eye going. You don't like what you were hearing. Why?

REP. RENEE ELLMERS (R), NORTH CAROLINA: No. Absolutely not, especially here in North Carolina. You know, I know you were citing some poll information there. And, you know, Real Clear Politics has us tied, and we have some other polls, a number of other polls that are showing that Trump is up five points.

And you know, I voted yesterday. My family and I went and voted, and we saw the -- you know, we were in line for over an hour. And I happened to overhear one of the -- one of the poll workers say how she was amazed at how many new voters were coming out. They're coming out to vote for Donald Trump. They're not coming out to vote for Hillary Clinton.

CUOMO: How do you know?

ELLMERS: This is a woman -- the reason I know is because I'm looking and I'm talking to folks.

You know, I had a friend call me yesterday and tell me that his 98- year-old grandmother, who's been voting straight Democrat for 80 years, said, "If you take me to the polls, I'm going to vote for Donald Trump." That's what we're seeing here in North Carolina.

He was just here last night in Selma. A crowd of 15,000. Now, those aren't just Republicans. I mean, North Carolinians are going with Trump. It's Trumpland. And I think it's time that the polls start to reflect that, absolutely.

But, you know, here's the thing. Hillary Clinton. You know, I was just -- I was listening to your segment, yes. And you saw -- you could see my reaction. She is -- she is under -- facing indictment. We're in a situation where the Clinton Foundation...

CUOMO: There's no proof she's facing indictment.

ELLMERS: Yes, there is proof.

CUOMO: There just isn't any proof.

ELLMERS: No, there is.

CUOMO: What's the proof?

ELLMERS: There is. Here...

CUOMO: What's the proof.

ELLMERS: The proof are -- here -- the proof is the FBI investigators. This is coming out everywhere. I'm hearing about it. I don't really have all that many connections, and yet I'm hearing about...

CUOMO: FOX News...

ELLMERS: ... the investigation and the investigation moving forward.

CUOMO: FOX News just apologized. Bret Baier, who is a solid reporter, by the way -- it's not to assail him -- but...

ELLMERS: Agreed. Agreed.

CUOMO: ... they apologized for doing the story, essentially.

ELLMERS: No.

CUOMO: Our reporting says what Jim Comey said, which is they don't even know if they have any new significant e-mails. That there is no...

ELLMERS: That is absolutely untrue. And for you to be telling your viewers...

CUOMO: Jim Comey just said it when he gave his statement.

ELLMERS: ... that over and over again -- no, sir. What has been said...

CUOMO: Yes.

ELLMERS: ... is that the new e-mails that have been found are, in fact, that. New e-mails. This is all new information. And, you know what? People are talking. So, the investigation is moving forward.

Now, I do agree with you. There is someone who's trying to put a cover-up in place here. And it's at the Justice Department level. That's where it is.

CUOMO: That's a conspiracy theory, and that's fine for you to believe it.

ELLMERS: No, it is not a -- you know what is a conspiracy theory?

CUOMO: But you said she's facing indictment. When you say somebody is facing...

ELLMERS: A conspiracy theory is...

CUOMO: Congresswoman, when you say somebody...

ELLMERS: Yes.

CUOMO: ... is facing indictment, that means that you know something that the FBI is about to do.

ELLMERS: Yes.

CUOMO: We have no basis of proof that that is about to happen.

ELLMERS: No, absolutely not.

CUOMO: You may want it to happen, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.

ELLMERS: No. No, we actually don't want it to happen. I don't want to see this happening.

CUOMO: You don't want it to happen?

ELLMERS: I don't want to see our country in jeopardy this way. This is a matter of national security. And, you know, if we're going to talk about lawsuits, this isn't a lawsuit. This is criminal charges we're talking about. We're talking about a laundry list, as it's been described, an avalanche of new information that's coming forward.

CUOMO: I don't know who you're talking to. I'm just saying that the FBI has not put that out. They did not make a case against the foundation at the DOJ level. ELLMERS: They're -- it is an investigation.

CUOMO: Comey said it is not a close call.

ELLMERS: You're right. No, no, actually...

CUOMO: And Trump University, the reason they bring it up, is that's actually going to trial as a fraud class action suit.

ELLMERS: Yes.

CUOMO: And Donald Trump will be asked to be deposed, unless he settles that case. And then you will have him on record, perhaps as a sitting president, talking about things that then could be used in other legal venues.

ELLMERS: An active -- an active FBI investigation. The FBI cannot come out and talk about it. You heard...

CUOMO: He did come out and talk about it, twice.

ELLMERS: You heard Mr. Comey -- no, you heard Jim Comey when he was -- when he was giving testimony in Congress. Basically, when he was asked if the Clinton Foundation was under investigation, he literally said, "I cannot talk about any other possible investigations going on." He is absolutely right, but here are the facts.

[07:15:13] The facts are, the FBI is -- does have the Clinton Foundation under investigation.

CUOMO: True.

ELLMERS: And Hillary Clinton herself.

CUOMO: True.

ELLMERS: These are the things that are happening, and -- and it is up to you as the media to make sure that you get your facts straight so that you can be telling your viewers the truth.

The truth is -- and that's what the North Carolinian people understand.

You know, I am not seeing any of the excitement for Hillary Clinton in our African-American population here in North Carolina. And no matter how many times President Obama comes and speaks to the African- American population and millennials, he cannot overcome the fact that there are millions more in poverty today. The greatest number of those are the African-American population. That's what those good people understand and know.

CUOMO: And the argument becomes...

ELLMERS: They understand Hillary Clinton -- they understand...

CUOMO: ... why is this situation still not where it needs to be and who's going to be better at moving it forward?

ELLMERS: Needs to be. It's worse off than when Barack Obama took over office. Millions more are in poverty today than when Barack Obama -- Barack Obama took office eight years ago.

CUOMO: When Barack Obama took office, it was during the largest economic depression of our lifetime.

ELLMERS: And it's worse today. And it's worse today.

CUOMO: The country is -- the country is not in worse situation today than it was in 2008.

ELLMERS: Yes, it is. Yes, sir.

CUOMO: That's just fact.

ELLMERS: Look at the numbers.

CUOMO: He created 15 million jobs in that time.

ELLMERS: No, sir. We have -- we have...

CUOMO: The U.S. credit was under assault and the stock market had tanked. There's no question about that. Let me ask you about something else. Melania...

ELLMERS: We have less in the labor force today than back when Jimmy Carter was the president.

CUOMO: You have a different labor participation rate today than you did then, and there are a lot of reasons for that. It's not as simple as just saying less.

But Renee Ellmers, I've got to cut it off there. I really appreciate you coming on the show and making the case. You know that. You're always welcome.

ELLMERS: Thank you. Good to be with you again, Chris.

CUOMO: Be well.

Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Chicago is celebrating its heroes today after ending a 108- year curse. The mayor is promising a parade and rally for the Cubs to, quote, "end all parades and rallies."

CNN's Ryan Young is live from Chicago. How's it feeling there, Ryan?

RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely fantastic. How about an absolutely positive story? The fact that the Cubs finally got rid of that curse after 108 years.

Look at the building behind me. You can see some of the excitement and hear some of the excitement from the fans. We were there when they won the game. Hundreds of thousands of people

poured into the street. They're expecting over a million people to show up to the parade today. And that's something that they're saying, this is one of the biggest sporting events in the city's history.

Of course, it went to ten innings. There was that nail-biting moment. Fans have been out on the streets for the last 24 hours, high fiving each other, hugging each other, talking about the idea that they wish their loved ones who are no longer here were able to finally see this moment.

This has been a positive thing for the city, and they're planning a big party for about a million or so family members. The names you want to know, Schwarber, Fowler and Bryant, those will be household names pretty soon. I'm sure the commercials will start streaming in. But today, a party like no other.

CUOMO: That's a nice-looking jacket Ryan Young has on there, by the way, for what it's worth.

YOUNG: Thank you.

CUOMO: Look good.

All right. Just four days remain. What do you do with this amount of time? There's so many things you could be doing. But you've got to pick priorities, right?

CAMEROTA: Sleeping.

CUOMO: Both of these campaigns know that the more people they get out to vote from their own coalition, the better. We have two advisors who lived this scenario in 2012. They're going to tell us what you need to do right now.

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[07:22:59] CUOMO: For a million reasons, you've got to vote. You've got to get out there and exercise the franchise. You don't have any right to complain if you don't get involved in the process. And for both of these campaigns, it's the fundamental they believe in terms of who will win.

So, you've got Republicans stepping up their game after failing in 2012. They believe turnout was key there. You've got President Obama trying to drum up people in North Carolina and elsewhere. Is it going to make a difference?

CNN's chief political correspondent Dana Bash has more on the effect of turnout.

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DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On the ground... UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm going to mark you down for 12 p.m. on Saturday

for phone banking.

BASH: ... on the stump...

CLINTON: If we vote, we win.

TRUMP: Get out and vote!

BASH: ... it's now all about getting out the vote. For Republicans, that means learning from their mistakes. After their lagging 2012 operation failed, the Republican National Committee began working three years ago to step up their game.

(on camera): How is what you're doing in 2016 different from what you did in 2012?

MATT DAILER, RNC IOWA STATE DIRECTOR: We are 100 miles away from where we were in 2012.

BASH (voice-over): The biggest difference, activists now use this phone app to get out the vote.

DAILER: It will show you their party affiliation, how reliable they are as a voter. Their age, stuff like that. You just click that voter. Do take survey and, boom, right there.

BASH: And it gives volunteers what's called dynamic scripting, prompting different pitches to voters depending on their answers. Information all instantly sent back to RNC headquarters.

DAILER: We need to talk to low-propensity Republicans to make sure they know when the election is, to figure out who they're going to support so we can drive them out.

BASH: Now, in the final push, thousands of staffers and volunteers are using that app in battleground states across the country. The RNC, leading Trump's ground operation, says they will complete 17 million door knocks by election day, up from 11.5 million in 2012. It's all very ambitious, but it's been done before by the Democrats.

OBAMA: I'm doing great. What's your name?

BASH: Republican strategists admit they're trying to emulate the Obama ground machine that crushed the GOP for two cycles.

MARY PERKINS WILLIAMS, VOLUNTEER: My name is Mary Perkins Williams. I'm a volunteer...

BASH: Armies of Democratic activists are spread out over the same key states as Republicans. Clinton campaign aides say they've signed up some 1 million volunteer shifts for the last 96 hours alone.

In some ways, Team Clinton is old school, using paper and clipboards, inputted and tallied at the end of each day. Still, the Clinton system is very high-tech, using social and digital media to build on that vaunted Obama operation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Text plan to 47246. It's now going to walk me through making my entire voting plan.

BASH: A personalized plan for where to vote, when to vote, and even how to get there.

(on camera): Forcing people to get specific and to give a commitment.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. I'm taking public transit. I'm voting in the morning, and I know my polling location. So, I can get a reminder straight to my phone, straight to my pocket on election day to tell me to go vote.

BASH (voice-over): Clinton officials say volunteers are pretty much done trying to persuade voters to support Clinton.

(on camera): No soft Trump voters? You're not -- you're done with those?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're just focused on the turnout right now.

BASH (voice-over): Translation: team Clinton knows exactly who her voters are. Now it's all about making sure those voters actually cast their ballots.

Dana Bash, CNN, Washington.

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CAMEROTA: OK. Let's talk about the specifics of this. How do the campaigns get, say, reluctant or tired or elderly or disengaged voters to the polls?

Let's ask CNN political commentator and former senior adviser to President Obama, Dan Pfeiffer; and CNN political commentator Kevin Madden. He was a senior adviser to and spokesman for Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign. Gentlemen, great to see you.

DAN PFEIFFER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Great to see you, too. Good morning.

CAMEROTA: So Dan, I want to start with you. You were part of the legend that is the get-out-the-vote -- that was the get-out-the-vote for Obama. What did you do differently than campaigns before you, and what worked so effectively?

PFEIFFER: Well, what I think was most important about what Obama did was -- was they married -- our campaign married science. We had sophisticated data analysis, allowed us to know where our voters where, where they lived and what issues they cared about.

CAMEROTA: Now, explain that to me. You knew somebody's address, and you knew for the first time whether they were Democrat or Republican, who they had voted for, how often they had voted? Like, what did you know about them? PFEIFFER: You would know if they voted in Democratic primaries in the

past. You know, based on where they lived and other data you might have about them, whether -- how likely they were to support President Obama or Mitt Romney or John McCain. And you would set a score for each voter and then, if they reached a certain score, then you would target them.

But we have -- all the data saying the world is great, but it won't help you unless you have the volunteer army to do it. And so our campaign spent two years in 2012 recruiting volunteers. You know, the Clinton campaign says they have a million volunteers hour shifts to do the same thing, to get people to go call them, go door to door.

CAMEROTA: Is that how many you had? A million?

PFEIFFER: We had somewhere around that. But the Clinton campaign, I think, has built on, is exceeding a lot of what we did.

CAMEROTA: OK. So Kevin, in hindsight now, what missed opportunities did your ground game have for Mitt Romney?

KEVIN MADDEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, listen, I mean, one of the things that you remember in 2012, we were going against the legendary Dan Pfeiffer and his turnout team, was that, you know, voters have to be motivated to not only vote for their candidate, but they have to go and find ten friends or ten relatives to also come out and vote for them.

So, while we did have a lot of voters that said, "Yes, I'm for Mitt Romney," we didn't have the same type of intensity that we needed, where that same voter would go knock on five doors, knock -- or make ten phone calls and bring another group of voters to the polls. And that is, as Dan knows, particularly when you have states like Ohio and Florida, that are deadlocked right now, that's the difference between winning and losing. And that's the difference between 270 electoral votes and falling short of that number.

CAMEROTA: But, Dan, can you just give me the nuts and bolts of this? Explain to me. You knock on a door. One of the volunteers knocks on a door, and they find an elderly man in a wheelchair. You throw that person over your shoulder, and you walk them to the poll? I mean, what do you do at that point? How do you get them to the polls?

PFEIFFER: Like, we have -- a good campaign will have thousands upon thousands of volunteer drivers who will go to their house, pick them up, drive them to the polling place and take them home. Right? Whatever it takes to get someone to the poll, you will do.

CAMEROTA: So Kevin, we've heard from the RNC that they have learned from their mistakes and that their get-out-the-vote effort now is, they say, wildly sophisticated. I mean, we see all the high-tech apps that you just saw in Dana Bash's piece. So how do you think it's going to work this time?

MADDEN: Well, yes, the RNC should be commended for. I mean, I was talking to their chief of staff the other day, Katie Walsh, who's headed up a lot of this work. They invested about $75 million in improving upon the infrastructure from 2012. So the investments have been there.

I think one of the big problems or the challenges that we're going to have from here to election day is that, while the RNC has built an incredible infrastructure, usually what happens is that the RNC will marry that with the campaign infrastructure that the candidate has built through the primary process and through the summer months. Donald Trump hasn't done that. What he did is essentially outsource his organization to the RNC.