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Presidential Candidates and Surrogates Campaign in Battleground States; Interview with Trump Campaign Adviser Jason Miller; Interview with Congressman Luis Gutierrez of Illinois; More than 30 Million Early Votes Cast in 38 States. Aired 8-8:30a ET
Aired November 04, 2016 - 08:00 ET
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[08:00:00] BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We've got work to do to finish what we started eight years ago.
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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, welcome to your NEW DAY. Up first, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton battling it out, especially in North Carolina. This has become the kind of hot state, the must-win swing state for both of these candidates, and it could ultimately therefore decide the race.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: So top surrogates for Trump and Clinton are fanning out there and across the country with just four days away from Election Day. We have it all covered for you.
Let's begin with CNN's Sunlen Serfaty live in Charlotte, North Carolina. Good morning, Sunlen.
SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Alisyn. Well, the battle is so intense here in North Carolina that the candidates are practically running into each other. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton campaign planes will parked last night at the same time at the same airport in Raleigh, North Carolina. Now, today, for Donald Trump it is onward to Ohio, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania, three other states so critical to his path the White House.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We know Hillary can't be trusted. We've learned that.
SERFATY: Donald Trump hitting Hillary Clinton over the FBI's new probe of a longtime aide's e-mails.
TRUMP: You take at her look at her e-mail situation. Can we trust her with our security?
CROWD: No!
TRUMP: She is disqualified. SERFATY: While presenting a defense focused speech in North Carolina,
decorated military veterans joining Trump on stage. Trump pointing at them to illustrate why he thinks Clinton should not be president.
TRUMP: To think of her being their boss, I don't think so. And, you know, they're incredible patriots who would never say a thing. But I know what they are thinking. It's not -- it's not for them, believe me.
SERFATY: In praising their courage while also applauding himself.
TRUMP: They're so much more brave than me. I wouldn't have done what they did. I'm brave in other ways. I'm financially brave, big deal, right?
SERFATY: And complimenting his wife, Melania.
TRUMP: She got up and gave an incredible speech.
SERFATY: In her first solo campaign event since plagiarizing parts of her speech at the Republican Convention.
MICHELLE OBAMA, U.S. FIRST LADY: You work hard for what you want in life.
MELANIA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S WIFE: That you work hard for what you want in life.
SERFATY: Melania Trump vowing to take on cyber bullying.
MELANIA TRUMP: Our culture has gotten too mean, especially to children and teenagers. It is never OK when a 12-year-old girl or boy is marked, bullied, or attacked. It is absolutely unacceptable when it's done with someone with no name hiding on the internet.
SERFATY: critics quick to pounce on the irony of melania's focus on bullying givEN her husband's twitter tirades and name coming.
TRUMP: She's a slob.
I call her goofy. She's a basket case.
SERFATY: Despite the criticism, melania hoping to help her husband win over female voters.
MELANIA TRUMP: We have to find a better way to talk with each other, to disagree with each other, and to respect each other.
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SERFATY: And going into the final weekend here on the campaign trail, I want to show you a snapshot of what Donald Trump's schedule looks like in these final days, just an all-out flurry of campaign events, including very notably that Donald Trump will be returning here to North Carolina twice in the next four days. He will also be holding a big closing message rally on Monday night, his last rally of the campaign, with his running mate in Manchester, New Hampshire. Alisyn?
CAMEROTA: Sunlen, thanks so much.
So early voting in North Carolina shows good turnout for Democrats but not amongst black voters. Hillary Clinton will need them to win that state, so she's bringing in some big name supporters to make it happen. CNN's senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny joins us with more. Hi, Jeff.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Alisyn. Hillary Clinton had hoped to focus on North Carolina, a true battleground state, because Democrats of course won there in 2008 and Republicans four years later.
This morning she also finds herself defending Democratic territory as she still works to regain the confidence and command of the race she had only one week ago.
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ZELENY: Four days before Election Day, Hillary Clinton is bringing the star power, Pharrell Williams and Bernie Sanders joining Clinton in North Carolina.
PHARRELL WILLIAMS: I'm here because I believe she is going to fight for us.
ZELENY: Despite the optimistic tone of her rally, Clinton sending an urgent warning to Democrats that she could lose.
HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: America will have a new president. It will either be me or my opponent. Are we going to build a stronger, fairer, better America or are we going to fear each other?
ZELENY: It's not how she hoped to spend the waning days of her campaign. Her closing argument now a stark message about the prospect of a Trump presidency.
CLINTON: It's hard for me to imagine that we would have a president who has demeaned women, mocked the disabled, insulted African- Americans and Latinos.
[08:05:06] ZELENY: Democrats concede frustration they are still trying to disqualify Trump. His rebound has taken them back to the drawing board. From Sanders --
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: We are not going back to a bigoted society.
ZELENY: To President Obama in Florida.
BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You don't see him hanging out with working people, unless they're cleaning his room.
ZELENY: A week after the FBI e-mail bombshell Clinton's top aide Huma Abedin remains off the campaign trail, but she did appear at a Washington fundraiser with "Vogue" editor Anna Wintour, the campaign raising money for a last-minute advertising blitz.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Any response to the FBI?
ZELENY: Clinton still maintaining a national lead, yet her advisors say the race is too close for comfort in too many swing states. Heading into the final stretch, Clinton is showing signs of confidence, drawing a parallel to the history making World Series champion Chicago Cubs.
CLINTON: You know the last time the cubs won, women couldn't vote, and I think women are making up for that in this election.
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ZELENY: So today Clinton is not focusing on expanding the map. She is hitting Pennsylvania and Michigan. Both states have gone Democratic in the last six presidential races. This morning we're also getting a look at where she is setting her sights for the final push. In addition to Pittsburgh and Detroit today, she's heading to Cleveland tonight followed by Florida and Philadelphia tomorrow, New Hampshire, where the Clinton campaign is seeing signs of trouble, then back to Ohio, and finally at the final campaign event in Philadelphia Monday night with President Obama. Chris?
CUOMO: All right, let's discuss the closing argument for the Trump campaign with Jason Miller, senior communications adviser for the campaign. It's good to see you.
JASON MILLER, SENIOR COMMUNICATIONS ADVISER, TRUMP CAMPAIGN: Chris, good morning.
CUOMO: So this is going to be a why interview. Why is Donald Trump the right choice over Hillary Clinton?
MILLER: Because, Chris, if you're looking for a change, if you think this economy has not benefited you and your family, if you're receiving one of those Obamacare premium increases in the mail, vote for Donald Trump and he's going to repeal and replace Obamacare. He's going to put more money in your pocket and he's going to make our country more safe.
CUOMO: And when it comes to the scrutiny of his ability to do that, how do you answer that criticism, that there is -- he does not have the pedigree? He is not qualified to be able to deliver on those promises by plan or by disposition?
MILLER: Chris, all you have to look at is the fact that Mr. Trump is an American success story. He's built fantastic businesses, employed tens of thousands of people. Everything he's been a part of has been a big success and that's what he's going to do for this country.
Now, as we talk about fitness and qualification, we can't lose sight of the fact that Secretary Clinton herself is under FBI investigation. The Clinton Foundation is under investigation. You can't govern as president with the scandal like that hanging over your head.
This is very -- and let's not lose sight of the fact that what have we found over the last few days, 650,000 e-mails -- we don't know how many of those are secretary Clinton's or how many are just pertaining directly to her time as secretary of state. But Anthony Weiner's laptop, back up for one second. If you found out that you had a spouse or someone at the State Department who had sensitive information on their laptop, that would be grounds for immediate termination and really say something about the boss who was in charge, let alone to be on the laptop of Anthony Weiner.
CUOMO: But we don't know, right? We know the number, 650,000. It's good that you're saying they're not all Huma Abedin's. We do know they're not to or from Hillary Clinton according to the FBI. And we don't know whether there's sensitive information. We don't know that they're classified. We just know that they may pertain to work done at the secretary -- at the State Department, which makes sense. They probably should be.
MILLER: We do know for a fact that it does pertain to the work that was done as secretary of state, which that's a disqualifier right there.
But as we talk about who has the energy, and we talk about who has the energy, who has momentum, let's look at what states are being put in play and where Mr. Trump is going, because we talk about even on election night where Secretary Clinton and Bill Clinton, they're going to be spending their time as what is usually viewed as solidly blue Pennsylvania. Mr. Trump is putting Pennsylvania in play, Colorado, New Mexico, Michigan. There's something going on here Chris. It's bigger than Mr. Trump. It's a movement. The energy is here. We see it in the crowds. We see it in the poll numbers. If you're a Trump supporter, you should be real energized this weekend.
CUOMO: The momentum behind Trump is real. People have real reasons to be frustrated. The question is whether or not he's the right change agent. You talk about, well, hey, look at Clinton. She's got some real trust issues. So does he. These are the two least trusted people we've seen. You worked for a guy who looked out at the audience and said Donald Trump is the worst person I've ever seen run for president. You were running Cruz's messaging on that. Now you're running for the guy. I get you have to change your disposition. But you have to own, she has these investigations. He has FBI probes. He's got a real trial for fraud coming up with the New York A.G. and a class action suit that if he's president of the United States doesn't go away. He's going to be deposed as president. Isn't that relevant?
[08:10:07] MILLER: And I'm completely confident that Mr. Trump will find that all that he's done nothing wrong --
CUOMO: And the Clintons are confident they're not going to have anything found wrong either. Why does that make me feel better as a voter? MILLER: Because we're talking about Secretary Clinton, we're talking
about a criminal investigation into her activity and the investigation into the Foundation --
CUOMO: That Comey said was not a close call. He said the e-mail thing wasn't a close call, we have no more information. If it changes, it changes. When the facts change so does the analysis. He's going to trial for fraud. That's going to happen.
MILLER: Chris --
CUOMO: That's not a maybe.
MILLER: Let me point one thing out that I think is lost even as you had on Clinton surrogates earlier today. They're not saying anything positive about Secretary Clinton. Their messaging going into this final weekend is all to try to attack and tear down Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump supporters are making the case, here's what he's going to do with his contract with the American voter. Here's how he's going to African-American communities and saying we're going to rebuild infrastructure, improve our schools. Here's what we're going to do to lower tax rates to grow your businesses. We have a positive message. He has clear plans. He has laid out the first 100 days of what he's going to do as president. You see none of that from the Clintons. All the --
CUOMO: That's just not true.
MILLER: Chris --
CUOMO: There's no question they're going negative. So are you guys. That's what works. Trump is hammering her on the stump every chance he gets. He says that she's going to be indicted. He says that when she's president you're going to have investigations. She's crooked. She can't lead. She can't work. She's going to be investigated. I'm just saying, he's saying that, he has every right to say it. Same could be said for him. He could be dogged by things as president that are very real. Do you accept that?
MILLER: If that's the best the Clintons can do, then they're going to lose --
CUOMO: Not the Clintons -- I'm saying there is a trial for fraud that's going to happen. That's real. Doesn't that count?
MILLER: Mr. Trump -- we'll find out Mr. Trump is fine in thank you that. That's just ridiculous political attacks coming down the home stretch. That's all that is.
CUOMO: So all those people who say they had money taken wrongly, that there was false promise, that it was a scam, the university that had to stop calling itself a school, they're all lying?
MILLER: I'm completely confident that Mr. Trump did nothing wrong and everything is fine on that front, and I'm going to say that if this is the best the Clintons can do going into Tuesday, it shows they've already lost.
CUOMO: And what's the best you can do?
MILLER: Let's talk about the key battlegrounds. In Florida, in North Carolina, in Ohio, we're leading in all three. You look at what is traditionally viewed as a blue state in Iowa where we're ahead. In fact I'd point out even in North Carolina, Republicans were doing much better in all three states than where Romney was four years ago.
CUOMO: Early voting?
MILLER: Yes, early voting, absentee when you combine them all together.
In North Carolina 77,000 more Republicans have shown up to vote and Democrats have dropped off by 12 percent. So you have a couple things going on with the Democrats. Not only are they not enthused about crooked Hillary Clinton, but also even if you look into the story that's not really being told right now is the fact that even in the African-American community, Mr. Trump is doing much better than Republicans have in the past four or eight years.
CUOMO: One quick thing I want to give you an opportunity on this. I know the campaign has said things, and I'm not going to talk about what his son said. His son is not running for president, so Eric can say whatever he wants. But are we going to hear Donald Trump come out and say, if you are a white supremacist and you think you're going to go to polls and intimidate black people, do not do that in my name. Do not do it. I want people who watch the polls in legitimate way, I reject you, I want nothing to do with you? Are we going to hear Donald Trump say that? A man who has never been quiet about condemning things he doesn't like, but he hasn't said it.
MILLER: He has said "rejected," he has said "rebuked" --
CUOMO: I can't tell you a single sound bite of him saying those guys who say they want that, that guy who do that robo-call, you're not with me, I hate you, you're deplorable.
MILLER: He has said it.
CUOMO: Why?
MILLER: He has said "rejected." He has said "rebuked."
CUOMO: He himself?
MILLER: Yes, yes. He has said "rejected." He has said "rebuked." Chris, again, if this is the best --
CUOMO: This, this is me, this is real because you know that on that day you guys are worried about the election being rigged. That's the last thing that we can suffer right now in o that kind of BS happen on Election Day. That's why I'm saying it's that important. I don't care what the Clintons care about. We should all care about that. MILLER: I think what more Americans know and know heading into
Tuesday when we see these results is the fact that Mr. Trump is running to be president for all Americans. He's going into neighborhoods and communities that haven't just been neglected by Democrats in the past, they've been neglected by the Clintons in the past. He's going in and asking for every American's vote. He has a real plan to help our inner cities and help turn them around. I think that speaks a lot to his character and it speaks to what he's going to do for his first 100 days as president.
CUOMO: Jason Miller, we're all going to see the one poll that counts on Tuesday. Good luck going forward.
MILLER: Get out and vote.
CUOMO: Alisyn?
CAMEROTA: Thanks so much. Let's get the other side now with Democratic Congressman Luis Gutierrez. He is a Clinton supporter. Congressman, thanks so much for being here.
REP. LUIS GUTIERREZ, (D) ILLINOIS: Good morning, Alisyn.
CAMEROTA: I want to get your response to something Jason Miller just said. And he's not alone, that in these final four days of the election, that there seems to be more of a focus on the Clinton side on the negativity of Donald Trump and scaring voters into saying this is what a Trump presidency would look like, than a positive vision of what Hillary Clinton would lay out.
[08:15:08] What's your response?
GUTIERREZ: Well, maybe that is what we heard today, but it wasn't -- I look a little bloodshot in the eyes because I arrived at 1:00 in the morning from Colorado, from the day before I was in Nevada.
And out there, here's what people are talking about. They're talking about pay equity, making sure that women are in the same as the men. They're making sure that we have a just, fair immigration system. A lot of people come out of the shadows, register with the government, not have to fear deportation.
People are talking about raising the minimum wage.
CAMEROTA: Yes.
GUTIERREZ: I mean, think about it. A member of Congress earns in a month what a minimum wage earner earns in a year. So, people are talking about economic issues, issues of justice. Are people getting driven to the polls because Donald Trump used bigotry and hatred and discrimination?
When Donald Trump started his campaign, and he walked down that escalator the first words out of his mouth, Alisyn, were Mexicans are murderers, rapists and drug dealers. And, yes, there are a few good ones but we've got to get rid of them. CAMEROTA: Yes, and that --
GUTIERREZ: That is the way he started the campaign. You should expect, Alisyn --
CAMEROTA: Yeah.
GUTIERREZ: -- for people to respond electorally, right? Because what do you do in an election?
CAMEROTA: Yes.
GUTIERREZ: You reward your friends and punish those that have been your enemy.
CAMEROTA: Well, I mean, look I hear you that you're saying that voters are talking about the issues. But I'm talking about Hillary Clinton and her surrogates, you among them, on the campaign trail -- I mean, let me just play for you what Hillary Clinton said yesterday, and it was about Donald Trump. Listen to this.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I want you just to imagine, imagine the different kinds of futures that are available. Depending upon who's elected. It's hard for me to imagine that we would have a president who has demeaned women, mocked the disabled, insulted African-Americans and Latinos, pitted people against each other, instead of bringing them together.
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CAMEROTA: OK. So that is her basically doomsday scenario. She's saying imagine how horrible it would be, instead of, imagine, you know, the shining city on the hill of how positive it could be.
GUTIERREZ: Sure. Because, let's face it, Alisyn, Donald Trump is a threat. He's a threat to our democracy.
He has -- I have -- look, I've been doing this awhile, too. I have never heard a candidate demean women the way he has. Go out and simply say Muslims, we're going to stop them from coming into this country and we're going to round up 11 million people and we're going to deport you.
So, when someone says, and use fear, the fear of Muslims and fear of the Mexican rapist and murderer, the fear of the refugee coming to this country to blow us up, that has been his rhetoric, and that is why the Ku Klux Klan has decided, and other extreme groups in America, have decided to endorse him.
So, really, yes, elections are about the future. And I want a future in which, look, Alisyn, for me it's very, very personal. My grandson is 13 years old. Luis, you know, his dad from Mexico, his mom has Puerto Rican heritage, and you know what told me that day, I feel real Mexican in this one, I feel real Puerto Rican in this one, grandpa, but right here, I'm American.
I'm going to protect that little boy's American heritage, and his right to live in this country, without people looking at him as a criminal, as a murderer, a rapist and a drug dealer. He's a young American. He shouldn't be criminalized, and defined in that manner by any candidate for the presidency of the United States.
CAMEROTA: So, Congressman, what I hear you saying is that you do think it's effective to focus more on the negative, more on Donald Trump's negatives, that you think are frightening, than to talk about what you see as Hillary Clinton's positives in these final four days?
GUTIERREZ: Here's what I'm telling you, Alisyn. Here's two groups of people I saw in Nevada. All right. Not a poll. Not something that I read. I saw them.
Here's two groups of people, Latinos, regardless of their age, and gender, and sexual orientation were out there in droves, especially I saw it in Nevada. The Culinary Union Workers, hundreds of them strong, getting everybody out to vote, and it's working.
And in Colorado, I saw the same thing. So here's the other group. Women. Women and women. I saw Latinos and I saw women, and I got to tell you they are working hard, day and night. They are building that coalition, and it's a coalition that's going to win.
Look, I have Puerto Rican heritage, so I'm very connected to what's going on in Florida. And let me assure you, that the tragedy, the economic downfall in Florida has caused not tens of thousands, but hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans to migrate to the state of Florida over the last four years.
And here's what we found. We found this Latinos voting early in Florida --
CAMEROTA: Yeah.
GUTIERREZ: -- nine percent four years ago.
[08:20:01] CAMEROTA: Yep.
GUTIERREZ: Fifteen percent today. Very well could be a factor, this factor that more Latinos will vote early --
CAMEROTA: Uh-huh.
GUTIERREZ: -- than the totality of Latinos voted in 2012.
CAMEROTA: Uh-huh.
GUTIERREZ: So, look, the campaign is responding. Alisyn, you cannot attack a community, and criminalize, and demonize with that community --
CAMEROTA: Yes. GUTIERREZ: -- without expecting it to respond. Women respond to
attacks against women. Gay people respond to attacks against them. We have to save this country from someone who is really a danger, and a peril to our existence as a democracy.
He said to Hillary Clinton during the debate, when win, I'm going to investigate you and I'm going to lock you up. That's from a third world, third rate country. That's not the United States of America.
CAMEROTA: Congressman Gutierrez. Thanks so much for sharing your feelings with us on NEW DAY this morning.
GUTIERREZ: Thank you, Alisyn.
CAMEROTA: Let's go over to Chris.
CUOMO: All right. So just when you may have thought the rhetoric could not get any more heated Clinton and Trump seem to be turning up the temperature in the final days of the campaign. Why does winning often hinge on painting the other as dangerous?
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[08:25:10] CAMEROTA: More than 30 million people have already cast their ballots in 38 different states. So who has the early voting advantage?
CNN politics executive editor Mark Preston has the latest numbers there.
What are you seeing on your magic board, Mark?
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Well, Alisyn, no doubt as you said, 31 in 38 states. We already talked about Florida and North Carolina early in the show.
But let's look at four different states, two in the Midwest starting with Iowa. Look at Iowa right now. You know, about 500,000 people have already cast their ballots right now.
But what party has an advantage? You see right here, Democrats have an advantage right now, by about 41,000 votes. But, what's troubling news for them is that in 2012 at this same point in time, they had 60,000 ballots had already been returned. So the get out the vote operation not working at the same intensity as we're seeing in 2012.
Let's look at Ohio right now. Ohio about 1.2 million people have cast their early ballots. But if you look at Ohio, right now, Republicans have a 66,000 early ballot vote lead.
Going out to Arizona, out in Arizona, about 1.3 million people have cast their ballots. If we look at where we are right now, Republicans have an advantage of about 71,000 ballots returned. But this is good news for Democrats. Because at this time in 2012, it was 87,000 ballots returned. We know Democrats are tightly contesting Arizona and we saw that
Hillary Clinton was out there this week, and of course Kaine was as well. Nevada, representative Gutierrez says he was out there working on behalf of the Democratic party. 512,000 ballots have been cast. Look at 2016 and compare it to 2012. It is still off. Democrats have a lead about 29,000 ballots. But in 2012, it was 38,000.
We still think this is good news for Democrats. It is still following the same pattern -- Chris.
CUOMO: Preston, you look very professional holding the paper that way. That's right out of the broadcaster handbook. Well done.
So, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are trading their nastiest jabs. Yes, I know the campaigns say we're going high, they're going low. They're both doing it. Period. Especially in the final days of the election.
And the reason is negativity works. That's why they're doing it. So the increasingly inflammatory rhetoric they believe will help with voters.
Well, is that true?
"New York Times"/CBS News poll says voters, 82 percent are disgusted. Find a number that high about just about anything else that voters will be that united on.
So let's discuss this disconnect. Let's bring in CNN political commentator, former Donald Trump campaign manager, Mr. Corey Lewandowski. And former special adviser to President Trump, Van Jones. He's a Hillary Clinton supporter.
VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: President Obama just to be clear.
CUOMO: What did I say?
JONES: You said President Trump.
CUOMO: Did I?
COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Wishful thinking, Chris. There will be four days for that.
CUOMO: My bias once again coming out into the ground.
LEWANDOWSKI: Yes.
CUOMO: Yes, you work for Obama, everyone knows it. So negativity. I say all the time on the show, you do it because it works.
JONES: Yeah.
CUOMO: Everybody wants this to be about the ideas, and people, but that's not the political reality. Is it as simple as that? JONES: You know, it's very, very interesting. When you talk to
people and you ask them, do you like this stuff, oh, I hate it. It's awful. Then they look in their Facebook feed, and there's another attack, or there's a meme, and they're clicking it, they're posting it, they're retweeting it.
And so, unfortunately, just like my diet. My head says I don't want the cup cake, but the cupcake is now gone. It's just the way people are.
CUOMO: I know, I had the shake shack lapse myself last night.
So, Corey, you would worked for Hillary Clinton, let me ask you --
LEWANDOWSKI: Hillary Clinton?
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LEWANDOWSKI: I don't work for Hillary Clinton I promise you.
CUOMO: Are you sure? Are you still getting paid by the Clinton campaign?
LEWANDOWSKI: I am not in the WikiLeaks discovery. No I'm not part of that operation.
CUOMO: Not yet.
I often say to your side of the ball here, you know, if you're still into the WikiLeaks, and the transparency, why don't you guys put out your e-mails? Why don't you even put out your damn taxes? If you're so in to WikiLeaks, and the idea of transparency as proof --
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LEWANDOWSKI: Not yours, Trump's.
So, it's an interesting thing. It's a negative play, right? Attack her for what comes out in the WikiLeaks, but you don't live the standard yourself. That's kind of the game when it comes to negativity, right? Bash them but don't own the same standard?
LEWANDOWSKI: Well, look, you hear it all the time, whether it's in a coffee shop or wherever it may be, people say and it doesn't matter who they are, I don't like either of the two candidates. It's not just this election. You hear it every election.
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CUOMO: Not like this. Not like this. This is the highest negatives we've ever seen for the nominees.
LEWANDOWSKI: That's true. That's true. But many times people say I'm going to vote for the lesser of two evils and I don't like Mitt Romney or I don't like Barack Obama, but I'm going to hold my nose and do it because the other guy is so much worse. And what the negativity campaign is working on right now is any of those undecided voters, that small group that are going to ultimately make the decision of who's going to be the next president of the United States.
