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MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: And when you get to North Carolina, which I understand is not part of the blue wall, but remember Barack Obama barely lost North Carolina and he won it in 2008, and it's a state that's trending blue or at least that's what we thought so -- Clinton underperformed Barack Obama by 17 points among Hispanics in the state of North Carolina.

[04:30:13] So, while Donald Trump clearly tapped into something, I've got to tell you, I'm sure we were all surprised by this, that those voters who were angry, who showed up at those big rallies actually showed up to vote, and they waited to vote, and they cast their vote at the same time that Hillary Clinton operation, while we thought it was really good and what-have-you, it was the candidate that was unable to inspire those that she needed to go to the polls.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, that was the big question. Everybody said, well, rallies, don't equate to votes. Just because people come out to a rally to see this sort of rock star performance doesn't mean they'll vote -- they were wrong.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Barry Goldwater had huge crowds as well. And they didn't show up at the polls. This is about the man matching the moment.

CAMEROTA: The moment, agreed.

CUOMO: And that was a very powerful combination. All right?

So, what's the reaction? Well, if you're for Trump, you love it. If you weren't, you hate it. The markets just don't know what it's going to mean. You know what volatility means on Wall Street. Bad things.

We're going to give you the reaction from Wall Street to talk about what it means and how long it might last -- next.

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[04:35:19] CAMEROTA: All right. Let's talk about the effect on the markets of this momentous morning. World markets slid overnight as it became clear that Donald Trump was headed towards a probable win. Christine Romans joins us with more.

What are you seeing, Christine? CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Well, "The

Economist" magazine said it's fight night for investors. And so, you started to get this reaction and suddenly, markets around the world fell.

Let me show you where U.S. futures are right now. They're down a few hundred points, 317 points for the Dow Jones Industrial Average. If that holds, you'll see opening losses had been down a lost worse. When I show you the clip, you'll see exactly how things played out overnight.

You saw the Dow, these are Dow futures, look at this. Late in the evening when it looked like Donald Trump was going secure that path to victory, you saw the stock markets around the world really fall sharply.

Here's where this stand now, look at Tokyo down more than 5 percent. In some of these countries you have emergency meetings of their financial authorities right now, trying to figure out what a Trump America looks like for investors and financial markets. Asian markets closing down sharply. We now have Europe open. It's been open for an hour now and they're coming off the worst losses of the night.

Although they're coming off the worst losses of the night. Now, what folks are trying to figure out is, will Donald Trump stick to his trade and immigration policies. Those are seen as slow in global growth, which would then slow U.S. growth. So, the concern around the world, America first Donald Trump USA will actually end up hurting America, too, and the global economy.

The markets open up in four hours. Look, very volatile out there right now as people try to come to grips with what this means. Global investors had expected and wanted a Hillary Clinton presidency. They didn't get it. Now, you're going to see volatility, guys.

CAMEROTA: Christine, thanks so much for that.

CUOMO: Look, that's going to play out over weeks, but the question now that goes much longer in its analysis is what will this victory mean around the world in different parts of this country. And now, let's start talking about players like Russia. They certainly had a hand in what is going on here.

So, what does this mean?

For the latest, let's bring in CNN's Clarissa Ward live for us from Moscow.

Clarissa Ward, what is the word from Moscow?

CLARISSA WARD, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Chris, good morning.

We already heard that Russian President Vladimir Putin has reached out to Donald Trump, sending a message, congratulating him, saying that he hopes that his election win will usher in a new era of U.S.-Russian relations which he described as being in a, quote, "critical stage".

And I think on the surface of things, officially what you're hearing is a sort of restrained polite tone. But privately, Chris, there's no secret there is some major schadenfreude going on here from Russian officials who simply put really disliked Hillary Clinton. I spoke to one Russian senator today who said, today is my birthday but this is the best gift ever.

Really, Chris, this is less about a love of Donald Trump than it is about a very strong anathema of what it is with a warmonger. So, it will be interesting to see how the relationship develops from here, Chris.

CUOMO: All right. Clarissa, appreciate it.

Let's bring in the panel, shall we?

CAMEROTA: Let's do that. We have our commentators, Hilary Rosen, John Phillips, Scottie Nell Hughes and Christine Romans joins us at the desk as well.

Great to have all of you here.

Hilary, I know this is not how you expected last night to go. How are you getting your mind around it this morning?

HILARY ROSEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, I hear the exit polls about this being sort of disaffected economic protests and I get that. I think what I'm feeling and what I hear from, you know, friends across the country is that we're worried we're going to be collateral damage in this.

That, you know, I'm gay. Donald -- and I have kids of color, Donald Trump is committed to appointing justices to the Supreme Court to repeal same-sex marriage, to repeal my rights, to take away rights from women, our reproductive freedoms. So, you know, it may be that this is just really about economic protest and trade.

But what happens is, that you put power in the hands of people who can do this kind of damage. It's scary. I'm scared.

CUOMO: So, this is an interesting question. The obsession, is how did this happen? How did this happen? But we're going to talk about it all morning.

But I do think it's worth taking a pause to look at everything forward. Donald Trump said to what would say some of his most effective things in his victory speech.

[04:40:07] It was a very different Trump. We haven't seen that Trump at all in the campaign. There are good and bad reasons for that.

He came out and said it's not about me. It's about a movement. I have to be here for everybody. It's time to heal.

How do you lead in a country where you were just delivered a mandate on the basis of outrage and hate towards systems and some groups? What does he do now?

JOHN PHILLIPS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, Americans were never given a choice prior to the election on issues like trade, on issues like immigration. Both parties had a consensus. And the benefactors of both parties have a consensus.

CUOMO: I'm talking about these types of issues now. To the extent now he has to unify. I hear you on that.

PHILLIPS: Yes.

CUOMO: But that's the mechanics of governing. You know, what can he get done on immigration? What can he get done on trade? That's difficult enough.

But I'm afraid I'm out now. He doesn't like me because I'm gay. He doesn't like because I'm Muslim. Look at how angry his followers are. Look at social media saying, now, we're coming after you.

Donald Trump said something in his first moment as president-elect, but how does he get everybody?

PHILLIPS: He has to let the country know that he's going to be the president of all the people, and I suspect when he takes office, he's not only going to battle with Democrats on issues, he's going to battle with Republicans, and is what you're going to see is you're going to see coalitions built around issues. You're going to have Democrats on one side of the trade issue. And you'll have Republicans on the other side.

He's going to have to cobble together majorities in both houses of Congress to get this through. And you can't do that by some aspect of bipartisanship.

CAMEROTA: Scottie, what do you say to the people I heard on the radio as I drove in this morning, a Muslim woman who was at Hillary Clinton's, what was supposed to be a victory party, she was crying and she said, "I feel like I have to leave the country"? What do you say to people like Hilary Rosen?

SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: To hear Hilary Rosen that she's scared this morning, that's not good. That's not what we want America. We don't want have our own citizens scared because someone was elected president.

But I understood that, I've been there, too. And I understand that, that feeling. And so, I agree, Donald Trump is going to have to -- he's going to have to look at his actions.

Here's what I tell you concerning the gay rights issue. Donald Trump took a risk this summer. And he got raked over the coals by his own party who said, no, I want my friend who happens to also be an openly gay man to speak at the RNC.

And he took on the Republican Party. He said, no, he is a businessman, I want that to be on the stage. He got pushback on it. Guess what? The man spoke, and he was given a standing ovation.

ROSEN: But that's not really the issue. But this isn't a game.

HUGHES: It's not a game.

ROSEN: And when he goes out and empowers people and talks about Supreme Court justices, when he talks about, you know, deportation forces, people take that seriously. And so, now, what Chris is saying, you know, people who really know Donald Trump know that was just talk. He's not really going to be like that. Now what are we supposed to think?

HUGHES: Now that we're not in competition, now that we're not having to fight for which candidate, I really want people to take a step back and tear apart and actually look at the heart and truth to those issues. The deportation force we already have, it's called ICE.

CAMEROTA: Right, that's not what you said during the campaign. And what Hilary is saying is who can we trust? How do we believe that that's so different that --

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HUGHES: We did. They didn't want to hear it. What they wanted to hear was hate and negative parts of Donald Trump. That was not what was being said.

CUOMO: The burden of his success is how he achieved the success. And this was based on anger, it was based on hostility and feeling disaffected. And it worked.

Now he has to figure out how to govern. He struck a very different tone. In some ways, this is so much harder than anything he's done before, because you often get it both ways when you're in office, and the result is volatility.

He said one thing during the campaign. We got one. He just struck a different tone. It confuses people, but what is really confuses is the markets. That's an absolute measure. But it will pass.

But, Christine, volatility, right, is a fancy way of saying, we're not sure what this is.

ROMANS: Well, the world wants to figure out what will Donald Trump be, what will Donald Trump believe? Does he really believe it will be America first which means trade barriers and tariffs and that will hurt the global economy which in turn almost every economist says will hurt the U.S. economy in the end.

What I see here, look, this is both -- the dirty little secret of Washington, both parties for years have believed that they would be losers to globalization and global trade deals. And they also accepted that collateral damage. They were wrong. The Democrats and Republicans were wrong. That collateral damage just came back to bite them. And the outsider who is against everything they stood for, two parties

and everything they stood for for 30 years just won. It's almost a reset. It's a reset --

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CUOMO: Let's keep the conversation going. We have to take a quick break.

[04:45:01] I mean, you know, look, the best answer to your question is the hardest answer which is you've got to give him a chance. We're going to talk about it. But let's take a break.

CAMEROTA: All right. Let's talk about that blue wall that many think was nonexistent. Last night, it kept Hillary Clinton from cracking the ultimate glass ceiling. What went wrong for Hillary Clinton, next on NEW DAY.

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

History by any measure is what we saw in this presidential election. A little bit of perspective. George Washington, since him, there have only been four presidents who never healthy elected office, and all of them had at least some kind of government service.

To discuss what this all means, Douglas Brinkley, CNN presidential historian, and Julian Zelizer, a historian and professor at Princeton University.

Thank you very much to both for being here.

JULIAN ZELIZER, HISTORIAN AND PROFESSOR, PRINCETON UNIVERSITY: Thank you for having us.

CUOMO: So, first blush, history being written as we speak, what is being written right now?

DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, CNN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: I think it's the biggest upset election since Harry Truman upset Dewey back in 1948. It was a shocker then, this is a shocker now.

[04:50:01] I think we're all having to wonder and scratch our heads how could polls have it so deadly wrong. It's a reminder that Reagan Democrats are live and well, particularly in the Midwest. And they came to Donald Trump.

And that Ross Perot, back in 1992, won 19 percent of the vote, going totally against NAFTA, about the great sucking sound jobs leaving the nation, that 19 percent moved into Donald Trump's camp. Meaning that NAFTA, anti-NAFTA I think is a surprise issue of the election.

CAMEROTA: Professor, what do you see as the most historic?

ZELIZER: Well, the 1948 comparison is good in terms of the pollsters getting it flat out wrong. The 1980 election comes to mind. The feeling that many Republicans had in 1980 I think Trump supporters have today, that this is a realignment that people missed. And this is a new era in American politics.

And at the same time, many opponents feel a sense of deflation like how did this happen. That's how a lot of Democrats feel about this. I mean, the third part of this is anger and some of the venom that came out of the Republican campaign. I think many people are wondering, how does that fit once President-elect Trump is in the White House?

CUOMO: So who are we now? Dewey and Truman, we all know it for the headline. In truth, the headline was a mistake. It was printing error. Not obviously was a factual mistake, they printed early. For various reasons, they got it wrong.

But that wasn't a definitional premise within the country. This was definitional. Who is the United States, today?

BRINKLEY: Both of us are great studies of Arthur Schlesinger Jr. He always talked about the pendulum of history. Every eight years, it goes from party to party and swings back and forth. We had eight years of Barack Obama.

Donald Trump ran a campaign that was more inspiring. He had momentum at the end. Obamacare got beat up with rising rates at the end. FBI and Comey letter did damage to Hillary Clinton at the end.

So, I don't see it quite as 1980 because Reagan won a landslide in '80. This -- Hillary Clinton may well end up winning the popular vote here. They're saying perhaps they're saying tonight, let's see what comes in with California. She may have won it by a little bit. It's very, very tight.

It's more like Bush versus Gore. It's still that divided America. But Trump's made, reclaimed for the Republicans states like Wisconsin. Hillary Clinton didn't even go to Wisconsin. You know, a week or so ago, he went to Minnesota. And it kind of still, we can't call Minnesota right now. So, it's been impressive what Donald Trump has done.

CAMEROTA: And that's also what makes it historic, is this sea change or at least this shift in the landscape of who are the Republicans now. What do Democrats stand for? Which states are which now?

I mean, do you feel a sense of topsy-turviness this morning?

ZELIZER: Absolutely. I mean, the Republican Party has been shifting subtly over the last 10 years. This doesn't come out of nowhere. We saw some of this with the Tea Party. In some ways, this is a culmination of that.

But, certainly, if working class Americans are the heart of Trump coalition, in a party whose policies have not really matched working class America's needs, it signals, the Democrats have a lot of scrambling to do. But the Republicans are going to rethink what their message is about.

CUOMO: What does history teach us about what this country does when there's this acceptance of anger? I don't care what anybody says this morning, Donald Trump ran and won by stoking people's anger in this country. We haven't seen a lot of that, rising to the role of presidency. What is our history suggest --

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BRINKLEY: That's the thing. I mean, Reagan ran in 1980 as the sunny optimist.

CUOMO: Right.

BRINKLEY: Donald Trump is the anger of George Wallace and segregationist. He's very Barry Goldwater's kind of strange and some hawkish sort of foreign policy talk. He's -- this strange combination. But usually, we see them not winning the presidency. They're usually a third party person.

Here, Donald Trump's won it. So, I think this is one of the big election in American history. As you guys were pointing, it could be three new Supreme Court justices that Trump might be able to put in.

CAMEROTA: Gentlemen, on that note, we have to leave it here. We have so much breaking news throughout the morning. Thank you very much for giving us an historical perspective.

BRINKLEY: Thanks.

ZELIZER: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Let's get over to John.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR, EARLY START: Thanks so much, Alisyn.

You guys were talking about it, not only did Donald Trump win red states but he flipped some big blue states as well, including at least Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

So, how did he do it?

I want to bring in CNN political analyst John Brownstein.

Ron, thanks so much for being with us.

RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Good morning.

BERMAN: Look, working class whites, non-college educated whites. Donald Trump won them by a bigger margin than any candidate than Reagan in 1980.

BROWNSTEIN: Bigger.

BERMAN: Even by more than Reagan in '84. [04:55:00] They should be called Trump Democrats now, not Reagan

Democrats.

BROWNSTEIN: Not only did he win non-college white men by about 50 points. And the single result that I think it's going to get the most discussion in the days ahead. He won white women without a college education by 28 points.

The gap between white men with a college education and white women with college education, the gap of the way those two groups voted was bigger than the gap between the way men and women voted. It was bigger than the gender gap. It was a critical factor in allowing him to make these breakthroughs in the Rust Belt.

Look, the danger for Clinton, as we talked about, you know, was it today, was it yesterday on your show, was that she was going to have to win Sun Belt State where is the Democrats had not fully developed their coalition, faster than the party was really ready to make this transition because Trump was going to bang down the doors and break down the doors in the Rust Belt. That's exactly what happened.

BERMAN: Let's talk about in Michigan, and Pennsylvania where the polls were. Obviously they ended up, in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Obviously, they ended up in the Trump column.

But if we can, let's take a look at here. Michigan a choice for president, this is Detroit Free Press just a couple of days before the election. Hillary Clinton was up by three. Right now, that race is especially a few thousand votes. Donald Trump leads right now by 21,000 votes.

You know, so, it is within the margin of error. But the issue, Ron, is in every state, it's within the margin of error, and that error tilted now towards Donald Trump.

BROWNSTEIN: Right. So, you know, there's going to be disputes because the exit poll is only one source of data about what the composition of the electorate. But at least in the exit polls, there is not a surge in the number of blue collar white voters but there was just an utter collapse of Democratic support among them. It was the margins, not the proportions, right?

And so, what you saw was Hillary Clinton's vote decline significantly almost everywhere among white voters without a college education, eight, ten, 12 points relative to President Obama in 2012. And she could not, John, generate the counter-mobilization on the other side. She did better overall among college-educated white voters than President Obama did, but not vastly better.

And in many of the key states, she only essentially matched him. Same thing with minority voters.

BERMAN: Right.

BROWNSTEIN: You know, it was mobilization on one side and kind of status quo on the other. BERMAN: She -- there were not more non-college whites, she just did

worse among them. There were more nonwhite voters. But there, too, she did not perform to Barack Obama levels. Not even close.

BROWNSTEIN: Right. Absolutely. She fell a little short.

If you look at it geographically, the story of this election is death by a thousand cuts. Yes, there were a few big places where she underperformed like Milwaukee. But if you look at for example, at Philadelphia, and the forcing of urban counties outside of Philadelphia, she did fine, she did what she needed to do.

But she lost ground everywhere else. She lost all of these states became a sea of red which is a couple of blueberries. North Carolina same thing. Wake County, Mecklenburg County, Raleigh and Charlotte, she did fine. She actually expanded on President Obama's margins in 2012.

But really, everywhere else, she lost ground. This was a complete rejection of the Democrats by non-metro America.

BERMAN: It was not any one thing. It was all things all at once.

Ron Brownstein, great to have you with us.

There is a 45th president-elect now of the United States. Our complete coverage begins again right now. Let's get to it.

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

COUMO: Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. This is NEW DAY.

President-elect Donald J. Trump, that is the reality in America, after perhaps the biggest shocker in U.S. presidential election history. President Obama has called Trump to congratulate him. The two were told they're going to meet on Thursday.

Trump defeating Hillary Clinton soundly, the billionaire now facing the daunting task of uniting a country that he helped to divide.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT-ELECT: I just received a call from Secretary Clinton. She congratulated us, it's about us, on our victory. And I congratulated her and her family on a very, very hard fought campaign. I mean, she fought very hard.

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CAMEROTA: Hillary Clinton has not spoken yet. But she is expected to, today at some point.

Trump has 289 delegates and there are some states yet to be called. Republicans will maintain control of the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives. Markets around the world are in turmoil at this hour over Trump's

astonishing victory.

We have the best political team in the business covering all of this breaking news for you.

So, let's begin with John Berman to break down all of the numbers.

John, lay it out for us.

BERMAN: All right, Alisyn. This is where things stand just after 5:00 a.m. on the East Coast. As you said, Donald Trump will be the 45th president of the United States.