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How Would Trump Replace Obamacare?; USA Soccer Vs. Mexico Tonight; Examining Body Language During Obama-Trump Meeting. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired November 11, 2016 - 06:30   ET

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[06:33:11] ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: One of President-elect Trump's signature campaign promises was to repeal and replace Obamacare. So, how would that affect the millions of people who are covered by Obamacare?

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel is one of the architects of the Affordable Care Act. He's currently the chair of the medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania and a former adviser of health policy a the director of Office of Management and Budget at the White House.

Doctor, great to have you here.

DR. EZEKIEL EMANUEL, UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA: Nice to be here.

CAMEROTA: For the 20 million people that are covered by so-called Obamacare, what happens if it is repealed and replaced?

EMANUEL: Well, if it's repealed, they obviously will lose their coverage. And the big question is, what will you replace it with? I will remind your audience that for six years, the Republicans have been trying to come up with a replacement bill. They've never actually been able placement bill out there. They've introduced a replacement bill that's coherent.

They've had a lots of ideas, but those ideas don't get you what they want, which is everyone with a pre-existing condition can get an affordable, health insurance package and you get coverage for everyone.

CAMEROTA: They say they would hold. They will keep that element of Obamacare.

EMANUEL: Here's the irony: you can't keep that element. Getting people with conditions insurance that there guaranteed an affordable price without a mandate. And they don't like the mandate.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Why? Help -- Zeke, remember, one of the problems in selling this is that it's so complicated.

EMANUEL: Health care is complicated. CUOMO: So, they say get rid of it because everybody's premiums are going up, you can't keep your doctor, it's not as promised. We can do better. You're saying that there is a big hole in the second part of that statement. Why?

EMANUEL: Right. Well, first of all, they haven't ever given a proposal that's done better. But here's the issue, if only sick people get insurance, right, then the prices go up as we've seen.

CUOMO: Because it's more expensive to treat those people.

EMANUEL: That's what we've seen, right?

[06:35:01] So, you have to get everyone in. Now, to get everyone in, healthy people, young people, 25 year olds. We've seen this with Obamacare. That's part of the issue going forward. You actually have to force them to get in. It's called a mandate. You have to say you have to have health insurance.

If they don't come in, if you don't have coverage for everyone in the country, then you will not be able to guarantee people who have pre- existing conditions their coverage at an affordable price. Their proposal, which is high-risk pools, super concentrate the people with sick conditions and give them incentives to buy insurance or subsidies to buy insurance, that is a very inefficient disaster.

For 3 million people, right, it costs $25 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That is not a good deal. So, they have a contradiction. That contradiction in their proposal has never been able to yield a coherent alternative. That's the replace.

So, if you don't have a replace, you just repeal, 20 million people are going to lose their insurance. I don't think they actually want that headline, because some people are going to be harmed by it and then you know what's going to happen. You had people who had coverage under Obamacare and lost it.

CAMEROTA: Obamacare was one of the things that animated the anti, well, anybody who was against President Obama.

EMANUEL: Correct.

CAMEROTA: They felt that it was being shoved down their throats. They never believed his promises that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. That your premiums are going to go down and, in fact, it did not live up to some of its original promises.

EMANUEL: Well --

CAMEROTA: I know that you were one of the architects of it. But you have to admit, there were some -- it did not deliver on all the things that the president said it would.

EMANUEL: I disagree with that. Let's dissect, too. First of all, no doubt that the PR around the Affordable Care Act was not good. The administration did not do a good job of selling it to the public. That's separate from, has the Affordable Care Act done a good job for

the country?

CAMEROTA: Yes.

EMANUEL: The fact is, if you look at the data and you compare the increase of healthcare premiums under George Bush to those to Barack Obama, he has slowed the rate of growth tremendously saving people thousands of dollars.

CUOMO: But, Zeke, hold on a second --

CAMEROTA: Not as much as you're saying.

EMANUEL: That's right. And that's very hard for people to understand.

CUOMO: And here's why it is hard for them to understand because they're sticker shock. Put up some of the states. Arizona, 116 percent increases, Alabama 58 percent premium increases, 14 --

EMANUEL: Sir, can I -- 12 states, including big states like California, New Jersey, Michigan, are actually under 10 percent. Some states are even cutting their premiums, Massachusetts had a decrease in the premiums. You didn't cite that, interestingly enough. We can both cherry pick, OK?

CUOMO: But I'm saying, why are they so much higher there if it's working?

EMANUEL: That's a one-year increase and they're higher for the reasons we just said. We have a difficulty of getting young people to buy insurance. The mandate, many people think --

CUOMO: Penalties weren't high enough.

EMANUEL: Penalties weren't high enough. You didn't really have people get it. And the bonding, the ratio between what young people pay and old people pay was too narrow at 3-1. It should have been broader to lower the premiums for younger people who we need to get in.

That's -- those are the two problems. But that's a one-year adjustment. Remember, the exchanges open with premiums much lower than anyone expected. They're coming back to what people expected. They're not going super high.

CAMEROTA: So, your dream is that it be fixed. These things be fixed, but not, obviously, repealed.

EMANUEL: Right. Over the previous months, I have been writing of the kinds of three, four, five things you can do to fix it. No one when we passed the bill thought it was a perfect bill. We knew we'd have to fix it.

This is democracy. You're fought going to get a perfect bill on the first time. Plus, over six years, we've seen other problems. That doesn't mean that overall, the bill hasn't been a big success.

Health care inflation, the rate of growth of income increase has come way down in the system. Now, it's true -- drugs are going way too high and we have to fix that. But the overall system is actually getting better. We're actually improving substantially.

So, we had 20 million people getting coverage. The rate of cost increase has come down. That's -- and quality, by the way, has gone up. Infection rate in hospital and other things have gone down.

CUOMO: The irony is --

EMANUEL: That's a big success. The irony is the public doesn't see it and think it's a bad bill.

CUOMO: And that's because perception is reality, and the way that this got passed --

EMANUEL: You said that before.

CUOMO: The way that this got passed which was by forcing it down the throat of the Republicans really engender --

EMANUEL: I object to that.

CUOMO: It engendered an animosity.

EMANUEL: That is not true. We had meetings all through 2009 with Republicans. The gang of six, the gang of eight, the gang of four, we were negotiating with Grassley, with Barrasso, lots of other people. They never came to the table with an alternative plan.

CUOMO: So, you wound up cramming it down and now, they hate you for it, and they're trying to take it away from you.

EMANUEL: There are many reasons and again, I think the publicity around it was a mistake, but that doesn't mean that the bill has not been a very big success and improvement on the American health care system.

[06:40:04] And again, let me just put it out there, the Republicans have never had a credible alternative that they've been able to pass. It's easy to repeal this bill, it's not going to be easy to find a credible alternative and the idea of, we're going to solve everything by having insurance companies sell across state lines, that is not a solution. That's not a health care reform plan that actually addresses the issue most people want, which is the pre-existing conditions and the moderating.

CUOMO: And it will take bipartisan support in order to get the fixes that Zeke and others are talking about.

CAMEROTA: Dr. Emanuel, thank you for being here on NEW DAY. Great to talk to you.

EMANUEL: Thank you. CUOMO: Well-argued, Doc. Appreciate it.

EMANUEL: That's my job. To explain the Affordable Care Act and the complex health care system to the public because it is complex. It's $3 trillion. It's never going to be simple.

But -- therefore, I worry the simple solutions are going to replace it without the details, they're going to disappoint a lot of Americans. They will not have that pre-existing condition exclusion and I think a lot of people will be very upset with just the repeal.

CUOMO: As we find out what happens, come back and take us through what works and doesn't work in your opinion, OK?

EMANUEL: Thank you very much.

CAMEROTA: Thank you.

CUOMO: So, what has Hillary Clinton been up to since conceding the presidential election? We're getting our first look ahead.

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[06:45:13] CUOMO: Breaking news for you: at least four people killed when a Taliban suicide car bomber targeted the German consulate in northern Afghanistan. More than 100 others injured. No German diplomats were hurt. This attack happening a week after a joint Afghan/U.S. battle against the Taliban which killed two U.S. soldiers and 26 militants, as well as 30 civilians. That situation is far from over.

CAMEROTA: All right. On a much more peaceful note. Are you wondering what Hillary Clinton has been up to in the past two days?

You're looking at the very first picture of Hillary Clinton since she conceded the race to Donald Trump. She is posing there with Margot Gerster and her baby, a fellow Westchester, New York, resident. Bill Clinton, we're told, snapped this photo. Margot said she was on a hike when she stumbled across the first couple. She says Clinton was beyond gracious to her and Hillary Clinton seemed to be at peace.

CUOMO: Is it true they were collecting mushrooms for a special stew recipe they found?

CAMEROTA: A special tea that she'll now be drinking.

CUOMO: Is that true?

CAMEROTA: I don't know that to be true.

CUOMO: All right. We will find out.

CAMEROTA: OK.

CUOMO: Team USA plays Mexico tonight in what could be one of the most political soccer games of the year. We've got our man, Coy Wire, on this qualifier for the World Cup. But

this is about more that the feats, isn't it, my friend?

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Chris. So, this matchup is always tense and intense. And tonight's game in Columbus, Ohio, will be taken to a whole new level. It comes just days after the election and President-elect Trump's campaign promise that he'd build a wall on the border with Mexico. Players are aware of the potential for heightened tension.

Team USA Captain Michael Bradley tweeted this before the match. He said, quote, "I would hope that every person that comes to the stadium comes ready to enjoy what we all want to be a beautiful game between two sporting rivals that have a lot of respect for each other and hope that it's a special night in every way", unquote.

The Browns Thursday night football action, did they do it? Nah, they didn't do it. We're starting franchise history, crushed by the Ravens last night, 28-7, dropping Cleveland to 0-10. Since 1944, only four teams have ever gone winless for an entire season. The Browns used all three of their quarterbacks in this game. That's the first time that's been done by any team since 2011.

Alisyn, thank goodness for the Browns and only one other team, they're preventing Chris Cuomo's Jets --

CUOMO: Hey!

WIRE: -- the worst thing of the league.

CUOMO: Hey, hey, hey, hey, shiny head --

CAMEROTA: Ooh!

CUOMO: We're trying to be positive here. It's a new start.

CAMEROTA: Unity.

WIRE: That's not my shine. That's my aura, Cuomo.

CUOMO: Whatever.

CAMEROTA: I like that, Coy. Thank you. Great to talk to you. Have a nice weekend.

President Obama and President-elect Donald Trump praising each other after their meeting yesterday. But what did their body language say?

CUOMO: Tell you what Coy Wire's body language is saying. I want to beat him.

CAMEROTA: I hear what --

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[06:52:19] CAMEROTA: President Obama called his meeting with President-elect Trump, quote, "excellent." And Trump called Obama a, quote, "very fine man."

But what did their body language tell us?

President of the Body Language Institute Janine Driver joins us now to explain.

Janine, these guys gave you a lifetime of material yesterday. Let's talk about what you saw.

Let's put up some pictures of the things that you zeroed in on in terms of what their body language is really saying. Here you go. No eye contact at the start of their sit down. What does this tell you?

JANINE DRIVER, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Forget about the start, it takes one minute and 40 seconds before President Obama even looks at Trump. So, think about it. If we just meet and I'm introducing you, when people like themselves it's rapport.

We look at the person. We'll gesture to the person. We just met. I'm really excited. We have this great conversation. We don't see any of that here.

CAMEROTA: OK. Donald Trump was holding his hands in a certain way that I believe is sort of like this. You call it, it was like this. Up like this between like --

DRIVER: Between his legs. This is called steepling. When we steeple people, we intimidate people. This is a go-to move for President- elect Trump.

We've seen him do this all the way from "The Apprentice" days when it all first begun. So, when we steeple people, we intimidate people, imagine doing this and saying, can I talk to you for a second? This is a sense of his power. It can be seen as intimidating. But this is his go-to move.

The higher the steeple, the more we intimidate people. So, a low steeple like this is being respectful of our current president. If he were to go higher and up on the elbows, I call this "The Godfather" steeple right here or you lean back and put the crown over your head. You know, the higher the steeple, the more you control people.

CAMEROTA: Oh, good to know, I plan to use that on Chris right after this.

President Obama, you say, you watch him do these long eyelid closes. What's that?

DRIVER: Yeah, he does that. We call this eye blocking, so when Donald Trump, President-elect Trump is talking, we see President Obama listening with the long eye closes. We usually do this eye blocking either with our hand or with our eyelids. When we don't like what we see or hear, that's happening right in front of us.

And if you listen to not just the body language but the actual language, we hear Donald Trump say things like, I have a great respect for -- and he doesn't finish the sentence. These are strut sentences. We assume he's saying great respect for the president but he doesn't finish the sentence.

Donald Trump says what? He says, I look forward to dealing with the president. The word dealing in and of itself -- if you say, if you're a babysitter and I'm interviewing you to watch my three sons and you say I'm great at dealing with children, you're not getting the job.

[06:55:00] So, there's definitely not a love affair happening here for sure.

CUOMO: So interesting.

You say that President Obama, after their handshake, put his hand on his hip. What did that tell you?

DRIVER: Well, listen, let's talk briefly about the handshake. We see President-elect Trump on the left of the picture. We literally dub this in my world, at the Body Language Institute, left of picture. He has the upper hand because when we see that picture being taken, you'll see Donald Trump literally has physically the upper hand.

At the end of this, though, we see Obama wrapping it up. President Obama and then does this half Superman pose saying this is still my turf for a couple more weeks to go. We saw something very similar with other world leaders in the past, including, including George W. Bush when he first welcomed Obama. We saw some of these Superman poses happening.

CAMEROTA: So, hand on the hip means this is my territory, basically.

DRIVER: Well, taking up space. It's like -- think about it, like a dog in heat. Pees in the perimeter and marks his it territory. So, when we take our elbows, I know it's a morning show, I hope I didn't lose any viewers.

CAMEROTA: I respect you went there.

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CAMEROTA: OK, let's talk about the first ladies. I don't think we have video, but we have a still photo of them. What do you see here in this photo?

DRIVER: Well, first of all, this photo was not thrown out to the media. The media really hem and hawed to get a photo. So, if you think about that, we have one photo that's been released, this could be very stage. There's not a lot of body language you can tell.

However, with what we do have in this potentially staged picture is we see Michelle Obama sitting the same exact position that we saw her sitting in eight years ago when she met Mrs. Bush, Laura Bush. We saw her on the right side of the picture, in the same exact pose with her legs to the side.

With Melania Trump, she's a hard read. She has this serious face, but they are mirroring each other's lower half of their body. We mirror people we like. That's rapport.

At the end of the day, the big takeaway here is that if you look at the upcoming first lady, first lady-elect, you'll see her sitting like this. If you sit like this, palm to palm, what happens is you increase the heat on the palm of your hand and this is what we call embody cognition. By the upcoming first lady like this she'll actually like Mrs. Obama better, our first lady, because what happens is when our palms of our hands get warmed. It sends a message to our brain when we meet somebody that they're likable and trustworthy and warm.

So, if you put a cup of coffee in somebody's hand -- Mike Bloomberg used to do this. He'd people in the morning, before the office had opened and put a hot cup of coffee or hot cup of tea in someone's hand, and today, he's a billionaire.

So, we see Melania doing this, this makes her see everyone else as warm and likable. Instead of folding her hands like this, I'm bottled up, I'm stressed and anxious. We see her doing this, more model-like pose like. It's very likable, it's very polished and professional.

CAMEROTA: Janine Driver, fascinating to get your take on all this. Thanks so much for walking us through it.

DRIVER: Good morning.

CAMEROTA: Thank you.

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CAMEROTA: Chris?

CUOMO: Would you like some coffee?

CAMEROTA: Yes, I would. We're following a lot of news.

(LAUGHTER)

CAMEROTA: You're scaring me.

CUOMO: I don't want to lose this deal here.

CAMEROTA: I hope you see what I'm doing.

CUOMO: I'm doing this because I'm really comfortable.

CAMEROTA: OK.

We're following a lot of news this morning. Let's get right to it.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT-ELECT: Mr. President, it was a great honor being with you.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We want to do everything we can to help you succeed.

PROTESTERS: We reject the president-elect!

OBAMA: Because if you succeed, then the country succeeds.

TRUMP: We're going to do some absolutely spectacular things for the American people.

SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D), MASSACHUSETTS: We are not turning this country over to what Donald Trump has sold.

(CHANTING)

REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: We can get this country turned around and make America great again.

TRUMP: We can't get started fast enough.

ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.

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CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY on this Veterans Day.

Thank you for the service of past and present veterans and their families. We know the entire family sacrifices for the rest of us. Thank you.

So, in the name of democracy, there has been protests in cities across the country. However, some protesters became criminals turning violent. Creating riot conditions, according to police in Portland, Oregon.

Of course, Donald Trump is the spark for this, the latest election. In a tweet, he said these protests are unfair and blamed the media. But then, this morning, he sent another tweet, praising protesters for their passion and saying he will bring people together.

CAMEROTA: Meanwhile, the Trump transition has begun. President Obama and President-elect Trump meeting that White House pledging to work together until Trump's swearing in 70 days from now. But there are some signs of campaign Trump coming back.

So, our coverage begins with CNN's Jason Carroll live at Trump Tower here in New York City.

Good morning, Jason.

JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you. In front of Trump Tower, where we've seen a number of protesters showing up over the past few nights.