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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: I want the next generation of production and innovation to happen right here in our great homeland, America.

[07:00:09] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's going to talk to everybody and put together his team.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: An off-the-record meeting with media executives.

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP SENIOR ADVISOR: Very candid and honest.

TRUMP: My agenda will be based on a simple core principle, putting America first.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many seats do we have to lose before we make a change?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's no harder worker than Nancy Pelosi.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can all breathe a little easier knowing the suspect is in custody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doesn't matter who it was. He was targeting blue.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ben was a great guy, and people loved him.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota.

CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY.

In a new online video, President-elect Donald Trump outlines a series of executive actions that he plans to take on his first day in office. This as there's more speculation about who's going to fill the remaining cabinet positions in his administration.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: So how are America feeling about Mr. Trump two weeks after the election? We have a brand-new CNN national poll, and it gives us an interesting snapshot. Not surprisingly, the nation is still divided. A narrow majority of Americans, 53 percent, believe that Donald Trump will do a good job as commander in chief; 44 percent disagree.

CUOMO: Americans are also split on whether Trump's handling of the presidential transition so far has been good. Forty-six percent approve, 45 percent disapprove. About a third of Americans have a lot of confidence in Trump's picks for his top appointments, which are lacking diversity so far.

Only 33 percent of Americans have a lot of confidence in the president-elect's ability to provide leadership that is historically low compared with other modern-day presidents before they took office.

So we have it all covered for you. Let's begin with CNN's Jason Carroll. He's live outside of Trump Tower in New York.

Good morning, Jason.

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.

It's been two weeks and still no press conference from Donald Trump. But he did release that video that he mentioned, outlining what he'll do in the first 100 days of office and what executive actions he'll take.

All this while speculation continues to swirl about who will be making up his cabinet, and just within the past ten meetings, he tweeted, "Great meetings will take place at Trump Tower concerning the formation of people who will run the country for the next eight years."

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CARROLL (voice-over): President-elect Donald Trump outlining what he intends to accomplish during his first 100 days in office, including a pledge to create jobs.

TRUMP: On trade, I am going to issue our notification of intent to withdraw from the Transpacific Partnership. I will cancel job-killing restrictions on the production of American energy, including shale energy clean coal, and creating many millions of high-paying jobs.

CARROLL: And end corruption in Washington.

TRUMP: As part of our plan to drain the swamp, we will propose a five-year ban on executive officials becoming lobbyists after they leave the administration. And a lifetime ban on executive officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

CARROLL: But in the 2 1/2-minute video, Trump steering clear of some of his most controversial and biggest campaign promises, like building a wall on the Mexico border, repealing Obamacare, placing a ban on Muslims entering the United States, and no mention of deportations.

TRUMP: On immigration, I will direct the Department of Labor to investigate all abuses of visa programs that undercut the American worker. CARROLL: This as Trump continues to parade cabinet and senior staff

hopefuls past cameras again. Democratic Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard slipping past cameras to meet with Trump. She's the second Democrat Trump has spoken with since the election. Gabbard is now under consideration for top jobs at the Defense Department, State Department and the United Nations, according to a source.

Trump also taking time to meet with executives and anchors from five television networks, including CNN, to address concerns about access.

CONWAY: It was an off-the-record meeting. It was very cordial, very productive, genial, but it was also very candid and very honest.

CARROLL: Meanwhile, Trump's team on the defensive. Civil rights groups urging the president-elect to denounce the alt-right after white nationals were captured on video, cheering the president-elect in Washington.

RICHARD SPENCER, NATIONAL POLICY INSTITUTE: Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!

CARROLL: And capitalizing on Trump's "make America great again" slogan.

SPENCER: For us as Europeans, it is only normal again when we are great again.

CARROLL: Racism and anti-Semitism on full display, audience members giving a Nazi salute.

Without denouncing the alt-right by name, Trump's transition team said in a statement, "President-elect Trump has continued to denounce racism of any kind. He was elected because he will be a leader for every American."

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CARROLL: And Trump's critics still not satisfied with that statement, still not satisfied, in part, because, Chris, they are upset with Steve Bannon being his chief strategist. As you know, Bannon, the founder of Breitbart. Bannon made it very clear that Breitbart was a platform for the alt-right.

And on a separate note, want to talk about Trump's relationship with the press. He's had a tense relationship with the press, as you know. That's part of the reason why he had that meeting yesterday with members of the media.

Well, he's been tweeting again this morning about the media, specifically this time "The New York Times." Three tweets that we counted so far just within the past 15 minutes. First saying he apparently had some sort of interview set up with "The Times," and that went south. That interview no longer happening, at least not for now.

He tweeted, "I canceled today's meeting with failing 'New York Times' when conditions of meeting were changed." Quote, "Not nice." Then he tweeted again that perhaps a new meeting would be scheduled, but that they cover him in a, quote, "nasty tone." Then following it up with a third tweet saying, "The New York Times" just announced that complaints against them are at a 15-year high."

I know that a number of people might be looking at that saying, "Why is the president-elect continuing to go after the media this way?" But I have to say, throughout the campaign we watched him go after the media, and his supporters love it -- Chris.

CUOMO: He is who he is, Jason Carroll. Just like the rest of us. In that third tweet, very interestingly, he says the Trump just -- "The Times" just reported that they are at a 15-year all-time high of receiving complaints. And then he says, but why announce it? Because one of the Trump rules is you never announce bad information.

So let's discuss what's going on with the transition with CNN political commentator and former New York City Council speaker Christine Quinn, and CNN political commentator, talk radio host and Donald Trump supporter John Phillips.

Now, sometimes I laugh when Trump does certain things because I enjoy how he plays the game of politics and because it is a dirty game. But one of the things that does not make me laugh, John, and makes me scratch my head is this. If something bothers Donald Trump, you know it immediately and in detail.

And yet, these hand-raising haters, these neo-Nazis -- you call them alt-right; call them whatever you want. You know who they are, John. You know what they're about. You know it's bad. He does not denounce them the way he does anything and anyone else that he doesn't like. Why? Tell me why.

JOHN PHILLIPS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, one of the unfortunate aspects of having a two-party system in this country is you're going to have huge tents on each side. And unfortunately, those huge tents involve a lot of nuts.

And the left has a lot of people with a lot of boutique ideas on their side. In Europe, all these people have their own parties.

And he did say, "Look, I want no part of these people." He did denounce them. In fact, if you go back to 2000 when he was thinking about running for presidency under the Reform Party banner, he said, "Look, I don't want any part of them, because I think David Duke was part of that party at the time." And he said, "I can't put my name on this."

So he has denounced them. He has done it repeatedly. And unfortunately, you can't choose all of your supporters. And these jerks are proving that case.

CUOMO: John -- John, hold on a second, because this isn't a point of debate. This is just fact. John, you know that he doesn't call out David Duke by name. You know he's never mentioned any of these movements by name. And the man does not lack for detail when he wants to criticize you. Believe me, I understand that intensely, personally.

Do you feel a little odd defending what is certainly wrong in this situation, John? It is wrong. Not political tents. These are people raising their hands in a Nazi gesture, OK? This isn't just a little bit off the beaten path. And yet, it's being ignored to a certain degree by a lack of specificity. It doesn't bother you. Why?

PHILLIPS: Well, he has denounced them.

CUOMO: Not by name. Not by name. He shows them a respect he shows no one else.

PHILLIPS: We know -- we know the political game that his opponents try to use against him, which is they want Trump's name in the same headline as these kooks.

CUOMO: They're saying, "Hail Donald Trump," John. It's not about me. I wish I would never have to talk about these people. They're saying his name. You don't think that he would come out and denounce them the way he does anybody? He'll denounce "The New York Times" by name.

CHRISTINE QUINN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Or the cast of "Hamilton."

CUOMO: No. He'll come after them.

PHILLIPS: I'll do it right now. They're kooks. They're racists.

CUOMO: I know, but I didn't vote -- But you didn't get voted in as president.

All right. Let's talk about the agenda.

QUINN: Can I say one thing? They're not kooks. They're a dangerous...

PHILLIPS: Yes, they are.

QUINN: No, they're worse than kooks. "Kooks" is like your aunt you're going to see at Thanksgiving -- you know what I mean? -- who wears a rain hat inside for Thanksgiving dinner. These people aren't kooks. They're a dangerous, racist, anti-Semitic group of people who are attacking the core values of America.

And you have to go back 16 years to find any reference to Donald Trump mentioning David Duke. He didn't say he attacked -- that he denounced this group for what they did. He said he denounced racism. Completely different.

[07:10:12] This is serious on any day of the week. It's more serious, because he's the president-elect, and even more serious because we have seen hate crime and hate incidents increase across the country since his election. He has an obligation to all Americans to stand up and denounce this group, denounce David Duke in this decade, and to try to put an end to the hate escalation and the fear that's out there. CUOMO: All right. So John, put a button on this for us so we can

move on to his agenda points.

PHILLIPS: Their politics are not his politics. He said it as far back as 2000. By repeating it over and over and over again, he's just putting his name in the same headlines as these horrible people, and that benefits his political opponents.

QUINN: It's in the headline right now. Look at the screen on CNN. "Should Donald Trump denounce alt-right?" This isn't about trying to avoid a headline. God knows Donald Trump loves any headline. This is about him not being willing to stand up for Americans, stand up for people of color, people of a Jewish faith, LGBT.

PHILLIPS: Do you believe -- do you believe in your heart of hearts that he's a white supremacist?

QUINN: I don't know what anymore is in Donald Trump's heart of hearts.

PHILLIPS: No. Do you believe he's a white supremacist?

QUINN: What I know is that Donald Trump had an opportunity this weekend...

PHILLIPS: Do you believe he's a white supremacist?

QUINN: ... to stand up. What I know is he has put racists in the White House...

PHILLIPS: Yes or no. Do you believe he's a white supremacist?

QUINN: ... and he had -- and he had an opportunity to denounce white supremacists. Why doesn't he denounce them?

CUOMO: Let's move onto something else. But John, I'll tell you something. You think you're being clever. If these groups targeted you the way they target her and target me, you'd feel differently about it. All right? It's OK to be a white guy when you've got all these other white guys raising their hand and pretending to be Nazis.

I know you want her to answer the question because they can use things like this. But here's the thing. Hold on a second.

QUINN: That's not.

CUOMO: I just want to move on to something else to talk about this morning. But I'll tell you what. It isn't the point. Because here's why. You want to get a cheap political score by having somebody call him a bigot or a racist, because that's going to go crazy in the news cycle. It's about being a leader.

You denounce things not just because you're looking for a label. It doesn't matter whether or not he's a bigot. It's that he denounces it. That's what he is as the leader of all people. That he says that's not what we're about. It's not about getting a simple escapism of saying, "Well, if he's not a racist, then it's all OK." It's not OK. You denounce things that are wrong. That's what leaders do.

Now, you looked at his new list of agenda things of what he's going to do. Is there anything in there you don't like? Because I've got to tell you, looks like a pretty attractive list. A lot of things in there I've seen come from Obama and Clinton's mouth before.

QUINN: Well, certainly I want to put very clearly that, in the video, we don't have a lot of detail he's going to create all these jobs.

CUOMO: Not uncommon for politicians or presidents.

QUINN: And a number of what I believe he's saying about energy are things that would be dreadful to the environment. I think very clearly in what he said is a move forward on fracking, which is incredibly dangerous. We've worked very hard...

CUOMO: I'll get beat up by the left by this, but the science is not dispositive on fracking. You have places that have done it safely. You know, and there are a lot of jobs in the balance of it. Tens of thousands of jobs.

QUINN: The science is not there. What is clear is the science has not said it is never possible, but it is not there now. And all we need to do is go look in Pennsylvania where the water still runs brown and smells clearly of chemicals. It has -- I don't know of any place...

CUOMO: The industry says is like everything else. You have to do it right. If you do it too much, you do it wrongly; you'll have problems.

QUINN: But the industry -- well, one, industry is always going to say that. Right? Whether they can do it is the question. And they have not shown us in Ohio, in Pennsylvania, anywhere, that it can be done.

But let's talk about what Donald Trump didn't reference are his appointments of people like Mr. Bannon, his appointments of people like representative sessions.

CUOMO: First 100 days, he's going to cut regulations. He's going to look at infrastructure. He's going to get out of that TPP and start his own negotiations of trade deals.

QUINN: But cut regulations? Those are two words that could be great or could be dreadful. What regulations? What's he going to replace it with?

CUOMO: Driving the stock market wild. They love the speculation. You have literally, for the first time every cap -- small cap, mid cap, large cap. Those groups are the largest hirers in our economy right now. And in our poll, 40 percent of people trust Trump on the economy. It's the highest number any recent president has had. Forty-three percent believe he's going to change the country for the better.

QUINN: Look, I applaud Americans, I really do, for being optimistic. And I applaud Americans for saying things are going to get better. What we have in the campaign and so far in the transition, seen no details about how he's going to create jobs. And when you cut regulations, you have to really understand what the potential collateral damage...

CUOMO: But you don't know that he's going to cut regulations you don't like. I'm saying he's trying to do something the business world likes.

[07:15:12] QUINN: We don't know. But look, that's curious, because during the campaign, Donald Trump attacked Secretary Clinton for any reference she might have had or any thought she had of doing something that might benefit business. But here he is going right back...

CUOMO: Big banks was his thing. John, final word from you on this. What's not on the agenda list, where's my wall, and where's my repeal and replace of Obamacare? Those are probably two of the biggest reasons that people voted him from a policy perspective.

QUINN: And the Muslim registry.

CUOMO: They're not here.

PHILLIPS: Yes, well, he owes his victory to the Rust Belt, and trade was the reason why a lot of those two-time Obama voters decided to cross the aisle and vote for Donald Trump. If you could move the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade to Youngstown, Ohio, he would.

That was a message that was very tailored to that part of the country. I expect to see a lot more of that the next four years.

QUINN: That could cause a lot of congestion. I mean, Youngstown, it might just be too much with the balloons. Just saying, John. Let's agree on that. Snoopy won't fit. He's too big. Come on, John. Give me that. Give me that.

CUOMO: It's always good to end on agreement. There's certainly plenty of disagreement to go around. John Phillips, thank you for making the case. Appreciate it. Christine, as always -- Alisyn.

PHILLIPS: Thanks for having me.

CAMEROTA: Chris, a tragic story to tell you about. The driver of a school bus that crashed and killed at least five elementary school children Monday is now charged with vehicular homicide. The grief- stricken community is struggling to cope with this tragedy.

CNN's Martin Savidge is live in Chattanooga, where school officials have just held a briefing. What have you learned, Martin?

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Alisyn.

Yes, it's horrific news, but the authorities now are saying the official death toll is five. Five students that were killed in that bus crash. That would be down from what were initial reports of six. And there are six children that are said to be in intensive care and six other children that remain hospitalized.

But otherwise, all the other children that were on board that bus have now been released from the hospital and reunited with their families.

As you've heard, probably, the district attorney has now filed charges against the 24-year-old bus driver. And that is now a thorough criminal investigation, apparently, that is under way. Authorities have also put in the warrants and the various court documents to get the informational boxes, I think is the term they've used. That would be any kind of video that was on board the school bus and any other kind of telemetry.

The school bus driver, whose record is being investigated right now, is said to be cooperating with authorities. There was no other vehicle involved except the bus here. Weather conditions clear and dry. Speed is being looked at as a possible culprit -- Chris.

CUOMO: Martin, this is just horrible any way you look at it. Hopefully, the facts start the process of closure. We'll check back with you in a little bit. Appreciate the reporting this morning.

So the Trump transition team is going with some well-known names and a controversial one in Steve Bannon. This is a man who has said that his media outlet was a conduit for the alt-right, which is a nice way of saying a lot of groups with really ugly agendas. How will he influence the Trump administration? We have a panel debate next.

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[07:22:24] SPENCER: Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!

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CAMEROTA: Well, that was an alt-right celebration for Donald Trump that included Nazi salutes, as you saw, and also chanting. It happened just blocks away from the National Holocaust Museum this weekend.

The Trump transition team putting out a statement saying, quote, "President-elect Trump has continued to denounce racism of any kind, and he was elected because he will be a leader for every American."

Should he denounce these groups by name and go further than he has?

Let's bring in CNN political commentator and senior contributor for "The Daily Caller," Matt Lewis. President and CEO of Endeavor Strategies, Kurt Bardella. He worked as a media consultant for Breitbart News before cutting ties earlier this year. And CNN political commentator Tara Setmayer. Great to have all of you here.

You're all conservatives, I should note. And so you have an interesting perspective, I think, on what's going on with the alt- right.

First, let's talk about Donald Trump's response there, Tara. Has Donald Trump denounced racism?

TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I would say it's been very tepid. The problem is that, you know, when he was confronted with this early on in his campaign, he didn't really take the opportunity to nip it in the bud unequivocally.

CAMEROTA: The David Duke stuff, in other words.

SETMAYER: Absolutely. He played coy with it. He should have taken a page out of Ronald Reagan's book, where Ronald Reagan was confronted with this not one but twice, both in 1980 and in 1984, where the Klan came out and supported him. He said, "Absolutely not." He said he would not, quote, "tolerate what the Klan stands for. He named them."

And then in 1984, he actually wrote a letter to -- you know, about this happening again. He called what they believed repugnant and said that there's no place for this in America.

So Ronald Reagan had no problem coming out full-throated and said, "No, this is unacceptable, and I will not allow any of this in my name."

What concerns me is that Donald Trump's initial reaction to this, when he found this out, wasn't one of repulsion. He wasn't -- he wasn't upset about this. He wasn't -- at least he didn't come across that way. Maybe he was in private. But that's not how he publicly approached it.

CAMEROTA: ... just as a private call.

SETMAYER: And he kind of hedged: "Well, I don't know who they are. I don't know what's going on." And then when he's pushed, pushed, pushed, then he comes out with a strong statement.

I mean, he spent so much time obsessing over "Hamilton" and "Saturday Night Live." And he uses his Twitter thumbs to tweet about all kind of other rather insignificant petulant things.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

[07:25:01] SETMAYER: But something as important as this, he doesn't find time for. And I think that's -- that's problematic. And that's why people look at him and go, "OK, so they say -- they send out this generic statement about he's against racism."

CAMEROTA: Yes.

SETMAYER: But it's beyond that.

CAMEROTA: Right. The rubber has to meet the road.

SETMAYER: Absolutely.

CAMEROTA: Matt, why isn't he following Ronald Reagan's lead and denouncing it for real? MATT LEWIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I think, you know, in

1984 Reagan, at his -- when he received the nomination again for re- election in 1984, he said, "Many people are welcome in our home, but not the bigots."

Ronald Reagan, I think, keenly understood that, for conservatism to be a winning philosophy and a kind of philosophy that was appealing to a broad swath of Americans, you had to stamp out the fringe elements.

CAMEROTA: So why isn't Donald Trump doing that?

LEWIS: Well, I think Trump has done some of it, but I agree he didn't do it early enough. And I think he needs to do it more forcefully.

CAMEROTA: But I mean, you say he hasn't done it. When has he denounced racism?

LEWIS: Well, I think he did it on "60 Minutes."

CAMEROTA: He said about the protests, he said, "Stop it." About the protests. They were white, all sorts of socioeconomic...

LEWIS: He said, "I disavow. I disavow."

CAMEROTA: That's good enough?

LEWIS: Well, no, I don't think it's good enough.

SETMAYER: Right, because that wasn't his initial reaction is my point. Someone who is horrified by that, and should be, right away they should be unequivocally against that. And he wasn't. That's, in fact, what makes it concerning, on top of his own, you know, questionable racial baggage in the past.

CAMEROTA: I want to bring in Kurt right now, because Kurt, you worked at Breitbart. And so you know Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon is now in the White House. He will be in January. He's going to be the top strategist. He has Donald Trump's ear.

What is Steve Bannon telling Donald Trump about the alt-right movement and those types of conferences that we just heard?

KURT BARDELLA, PRESIDENT/CEO, ENDEAVOR STRATEGIES: Well, I think there is probably the largest conflict in all of this. That, even if Donald Trump had said something, and he hasn't yet, but if he had addressed this head on, the reality is the sincerity of it would be questioned because you have the guy who runs the platform for the alt- right in his own words as his chief adviser working out of the West Wing.

So no matter what Donald Trump says about this or any specific incident, the reality is his own guy is one of the real leaders of this whole alt-right movement.

CAMEROTA: Yes. BARDELLA: And he designed a platform as a feeding ground for all of these people. So how can anyone take anything Donald Trump says about race and about this platform with any credibility when his chief adviser is the guy who's running the whole thing?

CAMEROTA: Let me play for you all one more snippet from this conference just so we really know what they're talking about. They're not just saying, "Hail Trump." They are getting into the nitty-gritty of what they want this country to look like. So listen to this moment.

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SPENCER: America was, until this past generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity. It is our creation. It is our inheritance. And it belongs to us.

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CAMEROTA: We'll dispense with that revisionist history for a moment and just get to the revulsion of it. Kurt, is that what Steve Bannon believes?

BARDELLA: Clearly. I think so. Again, he has said Breitbart is the alt-right platform. These are the people that they have played to, that they have tried to motivate to be the base of Donald Trump's election. And it's just going to be more of this.

And I think it's incumbent upon everyone now to be as vigilant as possible in calling this out when it happens, standing up. Because you know, you used to look to presidents for leadership, to be the moral compass of this country. That's not going to happen. This president is going to be missing in action. We have to be the first to stand up and point to it.

Look at the Breitbart headline when President Obama -- three days ago, Breitbart had a headline that said, "Obama Refuses To Condemn Violence Against Trump Supporters." Where's their -- where's their story about this right now?

CAMEROTA: Hold on.

LEWIS: I think it's -- I am concerned about the direction. First of all, I do want to put things in a little bit of context. There were about 200 of these horrific people who were gathered.

CAMEROTA: So you're saying they're fringe. And I hear you. Except that one of them is in the White House. If Kurt is right, who knows Steve Bannon.

LEWIS: Well, I think we need to be careful about that.

CAMEROTA: Why? Why do you...

LEWIS: You know, first of all, I'll concede, Kurt knows Steve Bannon better than I do. CAMEROTA: Yes.

LEWIS: I interviewed him in like 2011. I've met him a couple of times. Not that it matters to Bannon or Trump, but I would basically put him on probation. I do -- Steve Bannon...

CAMEROTA: Why are you giving him a chance?

LEWIS: Steve Bannon today says he is not a white nationalist; he is an economic nationalist.

SETMAYER: Listen, listen. Steve Bannon, in his own words, called the -- and on Breitbart called these people dangerous intellectuals and went on to talk about them almost in -- with an affinity in a way, instead of condemning this despicable philosophy here, this ideology. They are white supremacists and white nationalists. And Steven Bannon has come out and been very open about his nationalism. And we all understand what that means. We've got to stop candy coating this.

LEWIS: I think there's a distinction, though, between...

SETMAYER: White nationalism means that we prefer to have lots of white folks here. No one of color.

CAMEROTA: Nationalism means this country belongs to the whites.

LEWIS: No, no, no, no. White nationalism is that.