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Police Video Captures Traffic Stop Beating; Abducted Newborn Found Alive 18 Years Later; Trump Feud with CIA Director and Civil Rights Icon. Aired 8:30-9a ET

Aired January 16, 2017 - 08:30   ET


[08:30:00] BRIAN MILLER, PUSHED FOR VIDEO TO BE RELEASED: And the police stopped him under suspicion of panhandling and ended up charging him with resisting arrest when he wouldn't identify himself. So there's been about five or six incidents in the past two years that have called for the need - or shown the need for de-escalation in our police force.

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Let's listen to the -- part of the 911 call that led police to pull over Lawrence Crosby and led to this. Obviously those police wouldn't have heard this 911 call. They would have just heard what dispatch said. But it's important to know what the caller said. Listen.


911 DISPATCHER: What did the guy look like?

CALLER: He was African-American with a black hood. I don't know if I'm like racial profiling. Just like I feel bad. Like -

911 DISPATCHER: So did - did you see him jimmy the door open or do anything -

CALLER: Yes, he had - he - like he had a bar in his hand and he was like - it looked like he was jimmying the door open.


HARLOW: So she says he had a bar in his hand. He looked like he was trying to jimmy the door open. He says he was trying to get something that was not working off the roof of his car. Do you see it as racial profiling?

MILLER: I think the unfortunate aspect of this was there was a communication breakdown between the dispatcher and our officers. Our officers didn't receive the questionable information and didn't proceed with that. They assumed from the beginning that we are dealing with a stolen car case. When in reality, it was suspicious behavior. So we need to have our dispatcher relay correct information to our officers and so they don't respond in this manner.

HARLOW: So here's what the Evanston Police Department is saying. They have changed their policy so that suspects like this don't need to be taken down by officers during the arrest. I mean we can play this video again. It was a very aggressive takedown. He was punched multiple times. But they do say that this use of force in this instance was justified. Do you believe it was justified?

MILLER: Well, the problem is with police procedure in general. And this is - this is procedure established by the police department. I do not think it was justified. I think we need to change that police procedure. And I think it's up to the community and our city council and our local governments to actually change the way we're doing things. It's not OK for our officers to treat residents in this manner. They must approach these situations with greater discretion and try to investigate what happens, as opposed to bull-rushing someone and tackling, hitting and kicking him under suspicions.

HARLOW: We had Harry Houck, a former NYPD officer for 25 years, on the program earlier today and he, look, do you know how many police officers have been killed with car stops like this? You know, he's holding a cell phone in his hand but Harry said, look, that could have been a knife. You just don't know. You say there are what you call underlying problems in your town that we not admitting. What do you mean?

MILLER: Well, let me say this, too. Yes, officers have a very difficult job. But if you listen to the full 40 minutes of that video, the officer talk after Mr. Crosby's arrested, one of the officers says, and I'm paraphrasing, something to the effect, to Mr. Crosby, I told him you're lucky I didn't shoot you. If officers are -

HARLOW: We actually have that. We actually have that. So let me pull it up and read it for our views so they can see the entirety of that. "I said, I didn't shoot you, (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You should feel lucky for that. Let's take him to the station, do whatever ordinance stuff we need to do with him, Mirandize him and get a statement from him." You were saying.

MILLER: Well, and that's part of the problem as well is our officers appear to be covering up in a sense for their behavior. They said - theirs - if you listen to the tape, there's a whole - it says something to the effect of the resisting arrest charge probably won't stick but we need to get him on something. That's - I'm paraphrasing in that sense. So, yes, the underlying problem is, again, our officers are approaching these routine situations with this - this mentality that they have to find something or justify their behaviors and they're not trying to deescalate the situation. Although it might be proper police procedure for them to proceed in this manner, I think something's wrong with them and we need to actually reform how our officers are responding to routine incidents.

HARLOW: I should note, you're running for office. What would you do to solve this?

MILLER: Well, one, we need to mandate de-escalation training with all of our officers to begin with. The second thing too is, Mr. Crosby filed a complaint before he filed a lawsuit with the city of Evanston Police Department and that complaint, again, because the police office - the police department feels that this was proper procedure, that complaint was dismissed (INAUDIBLE) process. Now, our police department will say, we've had 17 - only 17 complaints among thousands of stops, but none of those complaints have ever been founded. And in this case, they dismissed that complaint without investigating it further. So we need to also take our citizen complaint process more seriously and actually do a thorough investigation of these complaints.

HARLOW: Brian Miller, thank you for joining us this morning.

MILLER: Thank you for having me.


JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Poppy.

It is a parents' worst nightmare. A newborn baby girl kidnapped from a bedside at a Jacksonville hospital. But after 18 years of searching, the mother got to see her child again. We're going to speak with the sheriff who played a pivotal role in cracking what was a cold case. That's next.


[08:38:30] BERMAN: A woman posing as a nurse kidnapped a newborn from a Jacksonville hospital in 1998. That's a picture right there. Her birth parents thought they would never see her again. Now, 18 years later, Kamiyah Mobley was found and reunited with her birth parents for the first time in South Carolina. The woman charged with kidnapping her is now in custody.

So how did officers crack this case? It's stunning. Joining us now to discuss, Jacksonville Sheriff Mike Williams.

Sheriff, thanks so much for being with us. Congratulations. Just fantastic work. And I know it wasn't easy. But let me first start by asking you, Kamiyah Mobley, this 18-year-old young woman who I can't imagine what she's been through, how's she doing?

SHERIFF MIKE WILLIAMS, JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE: Well, you know, by all accounts, she's doing well. I mean she's a healthy 18-year-old young woman. And we were obviously excited to be able to, you know, to solve this case.

HARLOW: Sheriff, to you and your team, obviously this was years and years of work. Can you talk to us about the motive you believe here? I mean what motivated this now 51-year-old woman to dress in nurse's attire, to go in, to take this baby, this newborn baby, from her parents? Do we know why?

WILLIAMS: Well, no, we don't. Let me say this. So this case started, as you can imagine, 18 years ago.


WILLIAMS: So many of the people involved initially have retired and moved on. So the case has actually changed hands a couple of times. And, you know, great work by the investigators 18 years ago to leave a product that you could work with moving forward. And, of course, our team today putting those - the final pieces together with some tips, you know, that led us to - to recover of Kamiyah.

[08:40:06] But as far as motive, I mean that's something that we're still going to have to get into. This is still really at the early stages of this investigation. We have lots of questions left to be answered.

BERMAN: I think there are a lot of questions to be answered. I guess there are, what, two key informal leads or tips that ultimately led you to this young woman. Can you expand and tell us what those were and just fill us in on - on the 18 years of this investigation that was handed over again and again?

WILLIAMS: Yes. You know, well, again, I mean some of those are still part of the investigation so we can't talk in too much detail, other than to tell you that, you know, we followed up about 2,500 tips over the years on this case and we received some at the end of last year, really a series of tips at the end of last year, that we were able to begin to build off of and that led us to South Carolina and ultimately, you know, able to put us in the position we were Friday to be able to say that we, in fact, could confirm that it was Kamiyah Mobley that we found in South Carolina.

HARLOW: And I know that you've met with Kamiyah's biological parents. What was that meeting like? What did they say?

WILLIAMS: Yes, we did. You know, I've got to tell you, it was - it was an incredible experience. So we were able to - you know, we asked them to come down and said we had tips that we wanted to follow up on with them and had some information for them. And, of course, they all came. And, you know, the father and the mother and the grandmother, a couple of family - other family members were there. You know, and we were able just to tell them, look, we found her alive and safe in South Carolina. So, an incredible, incredible meeting. They were, as you can imagine, elated and overjoyed and excited. And they had a million questions. And many of those we couldn't answer. But we did have - we had advocates in the room to help with that process. We had advocates up in - you know, victims' advocates up in South Carolina as well to - to be there with Kamiyah when she got the message. And we kind of let them organize - you know, from there we let them work out the details in terms of, you know, phone calls and conversations. And they're still working on that now. And we've kind of removed ourself from that process. But, again, you know, an incredible day on Friday.

BERMAN: So at the press conference on Friday you said that Kamiyah had some sense maybe a couple months ago, inklings that perhaps something was fishy, maybe she was kidnapped. What were those? Tell us about that.

WILLIAMS: Well, again, without getting into too much detail, I can tell you that as she - you know, as she became an 18-year-old young woman and went to, you know, look for jobs and do different things, she had fraudulent identification. So her Social Security card and her birth certificate were both, you know, fraudulent. And that began to raise questions, I'm sure. We're not - we're not sure in what detail she knew or how much she knew or how much she was told, but we believe that there was a, you know, a conversation at some point with some explanation about why her, you know, her birth documents were fraudulent. So, again, part of the ongoing investigation in question is that we hope to get answers soon.

HARLOW: And, sheriff, the father - the man, I should say, not her biological, the man who raised her, along with this woman, who has now been arrested for kidnapping, I understand he was in prison at the time, is that right, that she was taken?

WILLIAMS: Yes, I'm not sure if that's the same individual. So there - there may have -


WILLIAMS: It may be, but I'm not quire - I don't believe that that's the same - the same partner for the mother.

HARLOW: So do you believe that the man - the man that was acting as her father knew?

WILLIAMS: Again, we're not sure. That's part of the - we have - we have as many questions as everyone else does. And this is an incredible story. So we're going to continue to dig in and try to find out who knew what and when they knew and, again, part of the ongoing case. So, great question, but we have yet to determine that.

HARLOW: OK. Sheriff, thank you so much to you and your entire team.

WILLIAMS: Yes, they - listen, our team did a great job.


WILLIAMS: Can't thank them enough. And thank you for the time. I appreciate it.

BERMAN: Amazing work.

HARLOW: We're all thinking about Kamiyah right now. A very tough situation.

All right, coming up, politics, Donald Trump. It's been a war of words with the outgoing CIA director and a civil rights icon. Why is he sparring four days before inauguration?

Also, what will Ivanka Trump's role be at the White House? We get "The Bottom Line" from Gloria Borger, next.


[08:47:46] HARLOW: Welcome back to NEW DAY.

Four days - we are four days away from Donald Trump becoming the 45th president of the United States. But his very public feuds with the head of the CIA and a civil rights icon are gathering all the headlines today. Let's get "The Bottom Line" with CNN chief political analyst Gloria Borger.

So nice to have you on, Gloria.


The way that, you know, Tom Coburn just put it to us earlier this hour, you know, and others is this - he's a fighter. I mean this is his style. He's going to fight. He's going to punch back. This is the president-elect. Do you think anything changes in four days?

BORGER: No. No. I - look, I remember during the campaign when we kept expecting the so-called pivot, which is a word that should be now outlawed, and we kept expecting the president to - I mean the president - Donald Trump to pivot to being more so-called presidential, to change who he was. And, you know, towards the end of the campaign, they got him to stop -- they got him to read off the prompter a little bit more, if you'll recall, and stop vamping so much. But I think this is who he is and he's not going to change because he believes it works for him.

And in a way it does work for him. He changes the conversation. He gets to respond in an unfiltered way. And he likes doing it and it's just not going to stop. This is someone who has never admitted a mistake as far as I can recall during the campaign and doesn't apologize and prefers to continue to spar, and that's what he'll - that's what he'll do.

BERMAN: You know, it works for him. But, you know, starting Friday -

BORGER: Right.


BERMAN: You know, again, I think the framing changes, where it's not about him -


BERMAN: It's about the country. So does it work for America?


BERMAN: And I think that's a pretty good question when you're talking about, you know, the intelligence agencies. It's a pertinent question when you're talking about John Lewis, a civil rights icon, and, you know, perhaps the African-American community on Martin Luther King Day.

BORGER: And challenging the intelligence community as spreading fake news, for example, as he did with outgoing CIA Director Brennan. No, I don't think it works for the country to be honest about it. But this is who Donald Trump is. And maybe once he gets his own people inside running the intelligence community, his own people, perhaps he will - he will trust the intelligence a little bit more.

[08:50:13] I think this is a big thing with him, that he doesn't believe that people have had his back and - inside the government. And I think once his folks are there, maybe he will trust the information they are giving him more. And then maybe we will see a lot of this quiet down because it will be his own people.

HARLOW: You know, I don't know if it's going to quiet down if more Democrats get on this bandwagon of saying he's not the legitimate president.

BORGER: Well -

HARLOW: I mean let's listen to one, Jerry Nadler, this morning, and then also another Democratic lawmaker, how they responded to that.

BORGER: Right.

HARLOW: Play it.


REP. JERRY NADLER (D) NEW YORK: He was legally elected, but the Russian weighing in on the elections, the Russian attempt to hack the election, and frankly the FBI's weighing in on the election, I think make the -- makes his election illegitimate, puts an asterisk next to his name.

SEN. JOE MANCHIN (D), WEST VIRGINIA: There is no indication whatsoever that any votes were tampered with, any voting machines were tampered with whatsoever. All of this discord that we see going on between congressmen not attending, people basically saying he's not legitimate, basically then the Russians have accomplished what they tried to accomplish.


HARLOW: I mean his point here is, you know, and it's to John's bigger question, what does it do for the American people right now to say he's illegitimate?

BORGER: Well, it's - it's not a good thing. Look, we used to have politics where you fight the fights in a tough way and then somebody wins and somebody loses.

HARLOW: Right.

BERMAN: And then you go to the bar.

BORGER: And then you go to the bar, right, or wherever. And you can choose to be a support or not be a supporter and look towards the next election. Now we have elections, and they're over, and we get to the point and people say, it's legitimate or it's illegitimate and we challenge the very legitimacy of our process. You might not have liked the process. You might have felt that Comey was wrong or that the Russians indeed did have an effect on the election, but there was an election. And questioning a legitimacy of a presidential candidate does nothing to move the country along to help fix our problems because then you'll always go back to the fact that you're dealing with an illegitimate president, if that's what you believe.

Look, this happened with Bush-Gore in the year 2000. The vitriol here I would argue was worse than it even was during Bush-Gore.

BERMAN: Right.

BORGER: But at that point, Gore stood up in front of a bunch of flags and said, I wish the new president well and the country decided it had to move on. And it did.

BERMAN: And Hillary Clinton has said it. And President Obama has said it.

BORGER: And Hillary -

BERMAN: Hillary Clinton's going to the inauguration, you know.

BORGER: That's right.

BERMAN: Tonight, Gloria, we're lucky to have you here. You have a special that is going to be on CNN tonight, "First Daughter." This is about Ivanka Trump, who will be the most influential daughter of a president I think we've ever seen.

HARLOW: Oh, yes.

BERMAN: And you had some really interesting interviews with people very close to the Trump family about what her role will be in this White House. Let's listen.


BORGER (voice-over): With her father winning the White House, Ivanka Trump is on target to become the most influential first daughter ever.

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP ADVISER: Ivanka Trump certainly is - you know, at 35, she's - and as a successful business woman twice in real estate and development, certainly in her own brand, I think she'll be very powerful. But, again, I don't sense from Ivanka it's about power. It's about impact.

BORGER: And it's about the family. Protecting and enhancing the newest brand, the Trump presidency.

ERIC TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S SON: You value family, especially in that world. I think, you know, for years we'd always heard, you know, real estate's one of the most cut-throat industries in the world. Nothing compared to politics. It's nothing compared to politics.

And then I think when you go through that and you live through it, I think, quite frankly, you become a closer family than ever before. They're the closest people in your life. They're the people who will look out for you when others might have conflicting interests. And that's very, very special. And I think we all lend that in some certain way, and Ivanka will lend that in a very big way.


BERMAN: Do you think there's any definition right now, Gloria, on how Ivanka will lend it starting on Friday?

BORGER: No. At this point no definition, but what is clear is that whatever she does, she's going to have her father's ear. In talking to people for this half hour, it's clear to me that she's the gut check here. And she clearly has her issues, which is women's empowerment, child care, et cetera, helping families pay for child care and those are - you know, that's her issue set. But I believe whether she ends up having an office in the West Wing or not, we know her husband will be working very closely with the president, she will have a huge amount of influence on her father because she'll be telling him what Washington is thinking about what he's doing.



HARLOW: There you go.

BERMAN: Fascinating. All right, Gloria, thanks so much.

[08:55:01] Do not miss tonight's CNN special report, "First Daughter: Ivanka Trump." That's tonight, 9:00 Eastern, only on CNN.

HARLOW: All right, late night laughs are next.


BERMAN: All right, in case you missed president-elect's news conference - President-elect Trump's news conference last week, "Saturday Night Live," they kind of aired a different version. Here's late night laughs.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE, ACTRESS, "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": Have you taken the proper steps to divest from your companies?

ALEC BALDWIN, ACTOR, "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": Yes, I have. I've turned over all of my businesses to my two sons, Beavis and Butt Head. They're here today. Can we get a shot of them? Shot of them. Look at those two little American psychos. You can tell they're good businessmen because of how slicked back their hair is. Explain how it's going to work boys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE, ACTOR, "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": I'll be in charge of the day-to-day operations, as well as overseeing all new deals moving forward.


BALDWIN: Obamacare is a disaster and I actually do have a replacement plan, OK. I just read about it this week. It's a terrific plan. Just great. It's called the Affordable Care Act. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE, ACTOR, "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": That's the same

thing as Obamacare. And if you repeal it, 20 million people will lose their health insurance. I mean people could die.

BALDWIN: Listen, sweetheart, I'm about to be president. We're all going to die. Next question.


[09:00:00] HARLOW: We thought maybe he wouldn't tweet responding to it. All day yesterday there were no tweets.

BERMAN: We did?

HARLOW: I didn't, until last night, and then there was the tweet. I wonder if he'll ever go back on the show like he did a year and a half ago?

BERMAN: He didn't like - he didn't like that, by the way.

HARLOW: Yes. All right.

BERMAN: All right, that's it for us.