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Kellyanne Conway Talks Media and Politics; Trump's Stance with Russia; Trump's Son's Meeting with Russia; Senate GOP Health Care Bill Faces Uncertain Fate; J.K. Rowling Talks Charity & Secret Manuscript. Aired 8:30-9a ET

Aired July 10, 2017 - 08:30   ET

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KELLYANNE CONWAY, COUNSELOR TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: I was just in Tennessee last Thursday again on the opioid crisis. This is the scourge of our times. This is -- no state has been spared. No demographic group untouched.

You want to come along sometime and report on it?

[08:30:00] You want to go listen to the people?

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: We have a documentary coming out this fall about the opioid crisis --

(CROSSTALK)

CUOMO: -- Manchester, New Hampshire, where the president was, the firefighters there still hoping for help that was promised during the campaign.

CONWAY: So you know what?

So you know what?

The opioid -- you want to talk about Russia. I want to talk about the opioid crisis.

We talk about it on this show. I have a documentary coming out this fall.

CONWAY: I want you to talk about the women's empowerment initiatives that Ivanka Trump is leading. I want you to talk about ISIS in retreat. I want you to talk about the 10 bilateral meetings that the president had on this foreign trip and the three pull-asides.

I mean there's so much -- because what about the speech in Poland that tells them you are survivors. We share your spirit, your love of freedom, your love of personal responsibility, your love of -- this is just such a beautiful speech where the President of the United States appealed to people in Poland. We will stand with you.

And then went to the G20. Here, for a couple of hours, practically a couple of days. He will go back to Paris. There's so many things to cover. Please connect America with the information they need. You're in a

great position to tell veterans they've got help. They've got new hotlines. They have new ways to access care. You can tell people about the jobs that are being created, the fact that we --

CUOMO: We do.

CONWAY: -- define every type of work.

CUOMO: We do. And I let you make your pitch to the American people. I'm happy you did. The opportunity is always here.

CONWAY: Tell your panel --

CUOMO: The opportunity is always here. Hold on. Don't worry about the panel.

CONWAY: -- six versus one anti-Trump panel we're sorry we cut into their time.

CUOMO: Tell the American people something else while you're here, that they shouldn't believe all of the White House and the surrogates and your alt-right friends that want to destroy the responsible media.

Tell them that they shouldn't listen to that stuff, that the media matters and that they should judge stories on their face and that they shouldn't think that there's some type of agenda out to get the president on the behalf --

CONWAY: I know you're trying to go viral here so let me just do this --

CUOMO: I'm trying to go viral?

CONWAY: -- watching this in your pajamas or writing about us --

CUOMO: But I'm just saying that matters, too because you're saying I have a great opportunity.

CONWAY: -- respect the First Amendment.

CUOMO: But you compromise my ability to reach people with information --

CONWAY: No, I don't compromise your ability.

CUOMO: -- when you say whatever you don't like is fake. That matters, too, Kellyanne. If you're going to tell the American people what to think about --

CONWAY: I never used that word.

CUOMO: -- they should think that, too.

Well, but many around you have.

CONWAY: Chris, I believe --

CUOMO: You don't have to say the word without meaning the word and attacking CNN every time you don't like what they report.

CONWAY: You're doing an infomercial now.

CUOMO: I'm doing an infomercial?

What were you doing?

What were you doing, making your witness?

What were you doing?

CONWAY: Oh, excuse me, excuse me. It wasn't an infomercial. It was actually telling people information they should have about jobs and apprenticeships and health care --

CUOMO: And that's relevant information also. The media matters. We shouldn't disrespect each other. We should give each other the benefit of the doubt.

(CROSSTALK)

CUOMO: First of all, it's my show. This is what I do. I talk through the television. And if it's not me, then it's Alisyn talking on the television. That's the show. But listen, I think we've spent enough time on this stuff today.

CONWAY: You asked me about the media. First Amendment, we, of course, believe and respect the First Amendment. We believe the press has a great role in this country. You've got to treat this guy more fairly. You've got to treat him more openly and honestly.

The snarky looks, the furrowed brows, the rolling of the eyes from so many people on your panels -- and you know it. You've made a business decision to be anti-Trump.

OK, the country --

CUOMO: And you guys have also made a decision. You've made a decision to be antagonistic toward the media, to lump us all together, to rally your followers to think that we're bad people.

CONWAY: That's not true.

CUOMO: And attack us online and talk about our families and come and try and jump us and try to embarrass us. Look, it comes out from the White House all the time. I'm saying it all matters. That's all. It all matters. Everyone can do better. That's all.

CONWAY: You don't want to have said -- you don't want to have said that we rally people to attack. OK, you don't want to have said that. I don't want this to be about me. I know you like to say the word "I" a lot. I'm a 24/7 Secret Service protectee, not because it's fun or not because they flipped a coin. CUOMO: And you know how I feel about that. And you know how I feel about that as your friend. And you know how I feel about that as your friend.

CONWAY: -- privately --

CUOMO: You know publicly also. I do nothing but show respect to you and I give you lots of time on the show.

Yes, I do think that everybody can do better.

I agree. I agree.

CONWAY: But, look, this -- with a free press comes a fair press and a fully responsible press. And the rush to judgment, the fact that you go with one source on things and then have to retract it --

CUOMO: That is not how we do things, by the way. First of all, whatever CNN has done wrong, it has owned --

CONWAY: I know.

CUOMO: -- in a way that is a symbol for accountability to this country, by the way. It would be nice if everybody who is wrong handled it the way CNN did. I was very proud of what this organization did. I know a lot of other news organizations and a lot of political people wouldn't have done it.

CONWAY: Think about what happened. It's the rush to judgment, it's the rush to be negative. Think about why it happened. That's all you need to do.

CUOMO: All I know is how it was owned and how it was handled, how it was owned and how it was handled is a model for accountability. Everybody should handle --

[08:35:00] CONWAY: Be more fair.

Why aren't your panels more balanced?

Why are there sometimes no --

CUOMO: I think are plenty balanced. On this show they're mostly journalists. All right, we got "Washington Examiner." We got everybody from all over the place.

CONWAY: Let me repeat my question then.

CUOMO: Yes.

CONWAY: They have to be more balanced. You need somebody who's reflecting the --

CUOMO: If you want flattery there's another channel that can give you that. We try and keep it straight, we go with both sides and we test power. Kellyanne, I got to go. We have got to get to a health care -- we

have to get to a health care debate. You are welcome whenever you want.

CONWAY: Health care reform is coming.

CUOMO: Thank you for making time.

CONWAY: Take care.

CUOMO: You were awfully quiet.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: I went to work out. I don't often have time to have work out, but I just did now.

CUOMO: But, listen, you know what, hopefully a good conversation for you guys to hear. It was actually not that unlike conversations that we have off camera.

CAMEROTA: It was fascinating. It was fascinating. I mean Kellyanne states her case quite plainly the way she sees it and, you know, obviously, you tackled it as best as anybody ever could and so I think we just see --

CUOMO: But the points are all real. And they are echoed out there. But, look, I think the -- the headline, you know -- and this won't be the headline, but it should, is, there's no question that this has to be a dynamic of people trying to do it better because I don't think this is sustainable. I don't think that this --

CAMEROTA: The overheated vitriol?

CUOMO: This hostility --

CAMEROTA: Ys.

CUOMO: And not so much -- look, Kellyanne and I have known each other literally a very -- a very long time.

CAMEROTA: No, that wasn't overheated.

CUOMO: But this idea that the media, if they're doing things that are critical of the president is bad, that's bad. That is dangerous and it's not helpful to the president. And I think that you've got to be fair to the president. The president has to be fair to you. Both of them may sometimes fall short, but it's got to change.

CAMEROTA: Yes. Let's discuss it with our balanced panel. We have CNN's senior political analyst Ron Brownstein, as balanced as they come, CNN political analyst David Drucker and associate editor and columnist for Real Clear Politics, A.B. Stoddard.

David, I don't know where to begin.

DAVID DRUCKER, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Me neither.

CAMEROTA: What -- what did you hear that you'd like to talk about?

DRUCKER: All of it, but let's hone in on a couple of, I think, important things here. I don't even know if they all go together. But -- but I think that, as a matter of U.S. foreign policy, Kellyanne Conway did comment on how this White House views Russia and its ability to work with Vladimir Putin. And its -- it's confusing because the president's national security team, General Mattis, General McMaster, Nikki Haley, the ambassador to the United Nations, seemed to recognize Vladimir Putin for what he is, a U.S. adversary that you cannot trust. And a lot of the actions that the administration has been taking that they don't talk about have recognized Putin for what he is and work to counter his influence in Europe and the Middle East. But the president and his leadership here, his rhetoric is so important. And we saw that reflected in how Kellyanne Conway talked about the president's meeting with Vladimir Putin does not seem to recognize that Vladimir Putin is an adversary that cannot be trusted. And it appears, possibly, that the president is about to try his own Russian reset. And -- and I mention that because she brought up that ridiculous Staples button that Hillary Clinton used when she was secretary of state to try and symbolize the reset.

CUOMO: Right.

DRUCKER: And, if so, it means that the president doesn't recognize the lessons that Barack Obama, a Democrat, and George W. Bush, a Republican, should have learned from dealing with Putin. That, I think, is one key thing to come out of the interview. The carping about the media and the need to be fair, look, I will just say this, everybody has opinions about the media. I know a lot of Americans aren't always happy with what we do. The whole point of having a free media is really the freedom to be unfair. And if you don't like it, you go to another source and there are many sources. The point isn't to be -- the point is to be accurate and the point is to be fair, but the point is also for the judgment on that to not come from one central place, particularly the people in power that we're reporting on.

CUOMO: Right. All right, look, I mean you have to give Kellyanne the benefit of making a good point with that Russian reset. It didn't work and --

CAMEROTA: But aren't they doing a Russian reset right now, just without a big red button?

CUOMO: Right, but -- I think her point is in general that, look, it didn't work before.

CAMEROTA: Right, but they're trying it now.

CUOMO: It's -- it's -- yes, it's good if you're going to try and work with somebody. I don't think anybody would disagree with that. It was that choosing cyber security was an odd thing given the inimical nature that Russia has with the United States on that issue.

CAMEROTA: Yes, but I think -- I -- I get -- I hear you, but I guess my point about being confused by what Kellyanne said is that they're trying a Russian reset. Every administration wants a Russian reset and then decides that maybe it won't work.

CUOMO: There's nothing wrong with a reset. It's that the last one didn't work and she was suggesting this one is working better. That remains to be seen.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

CUOMO: But the big story of the morning, A.B., we also heard about. Kellyanne was arguing that because the meeting amounted to nothing -- again, amounted to nothing in the -- to the reckoning of Donald Jr., and his credibility is an issue, therefore the meeting doesn't matter. But that's not true, I would submit, because it is about the solicitation by this attorney with connections. It is about his acceptance of that solicitation on the basis of potential negative information about Hillary Clinton. That's why it's relevant to the investigation, not what fruit came out of the meeting. Your take?

[08:40:17] A.B. STODDARD, ASSOCIATE EDITOR & COLUMNIST, REAL CLEAR POLITICS: Right. And you argued that pretty well, that it was the -- it was the intent of an operative for the Kremlin to get a meeting and to try to interfere by promising some damaging information about Hillary Clinton and, you know, Donald Jr. accepted that pretext for the meeting, as he says, and accepted the meeting. And actually Kellyanne did not have a good argument or defense of that. She just tried to say, like, Chief of Staff Reince Priebus did it. It was a nothing-burger. That since nothing came out of the meeting, it's meaningless. And as you said, the entire point is that the Russians could have made associates of the Trump family or campaign unwitting participants in some sort of collusion that the Russians had planned and were attempting.

And so because she couldn't make a good defense of Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting, she did what I understand, and she does so well because I, too, have known Kellyanne a long time and she is as articulate and unflappable as they come. And she -- and she has the frustration that many people who have worked for presidents before President Trump have had, which is they don't think their good news get out and so they believe that the free press is not being fair because they only cover the corners that the administrations are cutting, the untruths that presidents are telling, the things they're trying to cover up and, you know, potential scandals. And so that was true of Obama. He felt that the press was out to get him. He went after the press very hard. And so, you know, it's not something new that she's sitting here on NEW DAY trying to use it as a platform to talk about the positive things he's done because that's a frustration that they -- that they hold. But she also just could not make an explanation for your argument, which is why Robert Mueller and the investigators are looking -- are going to look into this. It's because it is evidence of how aggressive the Russians were at trying to penetrate the Trump campaign.

CAMEROTA: OK, Ron, free choice, whatever you would like to discuss from our entire morning.

RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, you know, it -- certainly that was -- that conversation kind of blurred the line at points between interview and therapy session about the relationship between the media and the Trump administration and Chris still hasn't had a glass of water. It's pretty impressive.

Look, every administration, as A.B. says, wants to work the refs. And we heard a lot of that from Kellyanne in the -- in the first half hour. But there's another piece of that, which I think is actually even more revealing, where, yes, she wanted to work the refs and she said we're not -- the media is not covering the good news the administration is producing. But mostly what she was doing was bashing the media in a way meant to rally the president's base and his core supporters, basically arguing that he's under siege from all of these hostile forces in the media. And that, to me, is indicative of a much larger truth about this presidency. If you -- if you look at everything they are doing, both in style and substance, the agenda on health care, the agenda on taxes, even the way they are doing infrastructure, this is not designed to be a presidency that is a 50- plus one presidency. There is no vision here about expanding the base that he came in with. There is really nothing here about kind of growing who supports them. It is about rallying and mobilizing and stoking what was 46 percent of the electorate last November and in polling is probably somewhere now closer to 40 percent. It's a very kind of targeted and consistent approach, you know, that reflects in everything from the way they talk about the media to the decisions to try to do health care and taxes without even having perfunctory talks with Democrats on The Hill. And I think the way you heard Kellyanne talk about the media in the first half hour here is indicative of a presidency that is more about mobilization than persuasion and is really giving up on the idea of speaking to a broader country I think in almost everything they do.

CUOMO: Also, you know, Kellyanne kept trying to use the "in a courtroom" context. I don't know why she would use that. It's not a good metaphor for the administration. She should want to keep this as far away from any courtroom scenario as possible. But I only have one piece of proof, nobody would give Kellyanne Conway the amount of time that we just did. We didn't have to. She didn't hijack the show. We had plenty of other things that we are prepared and produced to do on this show. We gave her the time because we care about the conversation. And I know a lot of people on the left don't want Kellyanne Conway to have that kind of time. They say, no, no, don't give voice to it. That's what we do. You're not here to curry favor. You're not here to curry rancor from the White House. We had the discussion. That's the proof. She got the time to make the case. That's what CNN does.

CAMEROTA: A.B., Ron, David, thank you very much for the perspective and being with us this morning.

DRUCKER: Thank you.

[08:45:03] CAMEROTA: So, let's talk about health care. Congress is back to work today. But senators, of course, are bitterly divided over the health care overhaul. Even Republicans cannot agree. So, what's next?

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CAMEROTA: Well, senators are back from recess and there are still deep disagreements within the party, the Republican Party, over health care. So just this morning, President Trump tweeted, "I cannot imagine that Congress would dare to leave Washington without a beautiful new health care bill fully approved and ready to go." So, what's next? Joining us is CNN's senior economics analyst and former senior economic adviser for the Trump campaign, Stephen Moore, and Andy Slavitt. He is the former acting administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

Great to have both of you gentlemen here.

STEPHEN MOORE, CNN SENIOR ECONOMICS ANALYST: Good morning.

CAMEROTA: Stephen, Senator John McCain said yesterday that he thought that this bill, the latest incarnation of the Senate bill, is basically dead in the water. Do you agree?

MOORE: Boy, Republicans are having a tough time getting this through the Senate, Alisyn, there's no question about it because, you know, they've got to get the 50 votes and they're not at 50 right now. And every time Mitch McConnell tries to move the bill a little bit to the right, he loses some of the more moderate Republicans and sometimes -- when he tries to move it to the left, he loses conservatives. So it's a very delicate balancing act.

I'm of the opinion, Alisyn, that as long as you've got those headlines out there that say 20 million people are going to lose their health insurance coverage, it's not going to fly. I think Republicans have to convince the American people we can reduce costs, we can provide more choice and competition in health care, reduce your premiums, but in a way that's not going to force 20 million people to lose their coverage.

[08:50:17] CAMEROTA: Right. And, Andy, that's where you come in. I mean if they want to reduce costs, understand, a laudable goal, but then you reduce services and so -- and coverage. And so it's very hard to have it both ways. And as you know, the essential health benefits are something that a lot of Americans have come to rely upon. The addiction treatment, help for the opioid crisis. So how do -- what do you think is going to happen next?

ANDY SLAVITT, FORMER ACTING ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CENTERS FOR MEDICARE AND MEDICAID SERVICES: Well, I think what's happening, and I think Stephen's correct, is that senators -- nothing like spending time at home to come back with the view that Americans really don't want to see this repealed. They want to see improvements. We want to see improvements to all of our legislation. But a new poll that's out Friday shows that Republicans have dropped in their favorability. Senate drops in favorability 30 points when told that they favor repeal. So they understand that this is an issue that they -- no one wants to see costs go up. No one wants to see services taken away from low-income people and no one wants to see their premiums up and people cut from coverage. So they're going to have to take a step back with that and move in a different direction.

CAMEROTA: Stephen, what about the plan that now many senators are talking about, and including the president has mentioned this, just repeal it. OK, if we can't figure out how to replace it, if we can't work out the kinks, let's just repeal it because that's what we promised. Do voters want that? What would happen then?

MOORE: Well, let me say this, I mean we just did have an election and I would make the case the election was a kind of voter mandate to repeal Obamacare. Republicans won three overwhelming elections with that message. Every Republican virtually who ran for the Senate and the House ran on promising to repeal this bill. So the --

CAMEROTA: Right, but maybe something's changed since then. I mean just in terms of even if you look at the polls it's gotten more popular.

MOORE: Well, but, you know, here's why -- right. Here is why the opinion has changed, because the voters aren't too wild about the Republican bill and so they're kind of saying, well, if it's Obamacare or the Republican bill, we'll take Obamacare. That's why I think Republicans have to revisit this issue and say, look, convince the American people we can do this, we can use free market reforms that got the worst features of Obamacare.

By the way, Alisyn, I think the essential benefit feature of Obamacare is one of the worst features because it's what's driven up the cost of health care. I means young, healthy people have to buy health insurance, you know, plans that cost them two or three times what they could cost if they could just have a scaled back plan that covers them for the things they want.

CAMEROTA: Right, but just -- Stephen, I hear you, but isn't that the math?

MOORE: Yes.

CAMEROTA: I mean isn't the math of insurance, all kinds of insurance, that healthy people pay in for a rainy day and then sick people use the money?

MOORE: I -- yes. Well, there's the thing, this is a fundamental kind of philosophical disagreement I think with liberals and conservatives. Health insurance should work like auto insurance. If I have a very good driving record, Alisyn, and you don't, I shouldn't have to pay the same premiums as you do. If someone -- look, we know that a lot of health outcomes, about -- at least half have to do with people's personal decisions, about smoking, about overeating, about not exercising, about not getting enough sleep. It's not fair for people who lead healthy lifestyles to have to pay more for their insurance for people who don't.

CAMEROTA: OK.

MOORE: I mean wouldn't you agree with that premise?

CAMEROTA: Well, let me ask Andy. Andy, you --

MOORE: Yes.

CAMEROTA: You're in the thick of this. So what about that premise? SLAVITT: Well, look, Stephen's premise is about to get tested when Ted

Cruz's amendment gets introduced this week. And I have to tell you, for many people that's a nonstarter because what it does is it takes the protections in the Affordable Care Act, the protections against pre-existing conditions, lifetime caps, essential benefits, and it basically prices sick people out of that market and it creates two worlds, two pools, a very expensive pool for anybody who makes over $40,000 a year who has any illness and then another pool for younger, healthier people.

And I can tell you, I've been in health care a long time. Our problem is not finding 27-year-old people who make $70,000 a year affordable insurance policies. There's a few million people in that category. But the real problem in this country

CAMEROTA: Ys.

SLAVITT: Is really figure out how to take care of the people who need it the most.

CAMEROTA: OK. Gentlemen, thank you very much. We will see what happens this week. Stephen Moore, Andy Slavitt, thank you.

MOORE: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Chris.

CUOMO: All right. Very important discussion. Thank you for having it.

CAMEROTA: Absolutely and fascinating to hear. I mean I think that Stephen spelled out the philosophical difference there really in an articulate way.

CUOMO: And you see two layers of it, one, left/right --

CAMEROTA: Yes.

CUOMO: But then right versus right alt also. They have their own problem with it now. Anyway, we'll keep talking about it. That's for sure.

How about a CNN exclusive of a different variety. "Harry Potter" author J.K. Rowling trying to change the lives of children and making an intriguing reveal about a secret manuscript.

CAMEROTA: CNN chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour joins us now with her exclusive interview.

[08:55:04] This is exciting, Christiane. What did J.K. Rowling tell you?

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, look, it is exciting. It's not often you get to sit down with her. She often most communicates with the public via her tweets. She does it about President Trump, about Brexit, about children and refugees, which are her big, big love, especially orphans, who she's trying to get out of institutions.

But, during our exclusive interview, which is airing later today, she did actually say something very intriguing for her legions of fictional fans.

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AMANPOUR: I read that you were considering writing a political book for children, young people?

J.K. ROWLING, HARRY POTTER AUTHOR: Oh, that was a fairy tale.

AMANPOUR: Oh.

ROWLING: Yes. And I ended up -- I don't know whether I'll ever publish that, but I -- I will tell you this. On my -- my 50th -- the theme of my 50th birthday, which I held at Halloween, even though that's not really my birthday, was come as your own private nightmare. And I went as a lost manuscript. And I wrote over a dress most of that book. I wrote it. So that book, I don't know whether it will ever be published but it's actually hanging in a wardrobe currently.

AMANPOUR: Ah, this is a J.K. Rowling scoop. I'm sorry. There's a hidden book somewhere.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: Oh, my gosh, Christiane, that is fascinating. I mean fascinating -- you know, people will eat that up to hear that --

AMANPOUR: They will.

CUOMO: Us. I've read all those books.

AMANPOUR: They will. I mean, listen, this is a woman who came from a destitute single mother, writing this book, as we all remember, and she's turned it into a beloved franchise and a multi-billion dollar franchise and an empire. But what she's doing with that -- with that money is putting it into charity. A lot of it. Hundreds of millions of her dollars are going into an amazing charity. And it's about getting orphans out of orphanages. Listen to what she's really doing in her secret passion.

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ROWLING: Our ambition is to end child institutionalization by 2050. That's the ambition. We estimate there are 8 million children in institutions worldwide. But that might be a low guess.

AMANPOUR: Harry Potter's an orphan, so it's kind of obvious that you're doing this, is it?

ROWLING: Harry Potter's an orphan. It wasn't obvious to me at the time. But to be very candid, I think my worst fear, my personal worst fear, is powerlessness and small spaces. And I think just the idea that these children were being kept penned like this was horrific to me. But then -- so although I didn't think that's like Harry in his cupboard, I suppose why did I put Harry in the cupboard, because this is my fear of being trapped and being powerless, just powerless to get out of that space.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: Oh, my gosh. Christiane, so candid.

AMANPOUR: Yes, it really is. And being -- you know, talk about being powerless and yet a woman who really does have a huge amount of power and she's putting that power, basically her money where her mouth is. And not only is she still continuing in the creative sphere, as you know, with her films and theaters and that lost manuscript, whether it will ever be published, but she's also doing this incredible humanitarian work that she says came to her when she first saw an institutionalized kid behind sort of chicken wire, barbed wire, in an orphanage in eastern Europe and it took off from then. That was in the early 2000s. And she's been doing it ever since for about a decade or so.

CAMEROTA: And, you know, so many of us think that people -- kids in orphanages must have no parents, but in reading the research and what she talks about is they do and sometimes they've been separated for just a host of other factor.

AMANPOUR: Poverty, mental illness and a lack of support for families who may want to keep their children but just don't have the structure to do that. So that's what she's trying to do, retrain those people in the institutions, move the children out. She says they believe their research shows that about 80 percent of those who are institutionalized actually are not technically orphans. They may have one parent, they may have families somewhere which would take them in if they just had the means. So that's what she's doing.

CAMEROTA: That's a remarkable number and great story, Christiane. Can't wait to watch your full interview.

AMANPOUR: Yes.

CAMEROTA: Thanks so much for previewing it with us and sharing a little bit of it. So exciting.

AMANPOUR: Thanks.

CUOMO: It's great to see somebody who has so much power and means using it for good.

Well, it's 9:00 here in the East. That means it's time for CNN "Newsroom" with Poppy Harlow and John Berman.

CAMEROTA: We'll see you tomorrow.

CUOMO: Oh, will we (ph).

CAMEROTA: And as soon as they take it away. JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: You guys had quite a show today. Wow! All

right, we're going to keep it going. A lot of news, so let's get to it.

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Good Monday morning to all of you. I'm Poppy Harlow.

BERMAN: And I'm John Berman.

[08:59:56] This morning, someone named Donald Trump has stated clearly, concisely and without any ambiguity that last year he took a meeting with a Russian lawyer after being told she might have information helpful to the campaign. Now, this is not an unnamed source.