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U.S. Hits New Record Average of Daily COVID Cases as Omicron Surges; Former Senator Harry Reid Dies at 82; NFL Coach and Broadcaster John Madden, 85, Dies. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired December 29, 2021 - 06:00   ET

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JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST/ANCHOR: Good morning to our viewers here in the United States and around the world. It is Wednesday, December 29. I'm John Avlon, in with Kaitlan Collins as we hit mid-week. Kaitlan, how are you doing?

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KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT/ANCHOR: I feel like we're doing pretty well so far. This new wakeup call is pretty early, but I think I'm getting used to it, which is what's the scary part of this.

AVLON: I think you're getting in the groove.

All right. We are following three big news stories this morning. The U.S. shattering its record average number of daily COVID cases, and the CDC slashing estimates of the Omicron variant's prevalence.

Plus, the political world and the sports world are mourning the death of two American giants: Harry Reid and John Madden.

First, to the pandemic. The U.S. hitting a record seven-day average of more than 265,000 new coronavirus cases on Tuesday, as two highly- contagious variants fuel surges across the country.

But we should note that the number of hospitalizations are not rising at the same rate to date.

Meanwhile, the CDC now lowering its estimate of the prevalence of the Omicron variant in the U.S. last week from 70 to 59 percent. That drop suggests that, while the new variant's on the rise, it was not infecting people at the same rate the agency had initially projected.

COLLINS: Pediatric hospitalizations are also near their September peak. Nationwide, hospitalizations of children with the virus have jumped, on average, nearly 50 percent in just one week. Parents are understandably concerned as vaccination rates, particularly among the pediatric population, continue to lag, leaving many children potentially vulnerable to infection.

President Biden now says the vaccine requirements for domestic travel could be imposed if his medical team recommends it. But Dr. Fauci says don't expect one for now, as health officials are advising that we should be bracing for case numbers to skyrocket in the new year. Let's get to CNN's Leyla Santiago who is live at a testing site in

Miami, where we know sometimes the waits to get a test have been hours long -- Leyla.

LEYLA SANTIAGO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Kaitlan. And we're still seeing very long long lines here, even though Miami-Dade County opened two new sites yesterday.

The folks making the line behind me tell me this morning they had to wait anywhere from three to four hours. And the workers here tell us they expect that level of demand for testing to continue into the new year.

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SANTIAGO (voice-over): There is an explosion of new COVID cases in the United States.

DR. ASHISH JHA, DEAN, BROWN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH: There's no doubt about it. We have more infections in America right now than at any point in the pandemic.

SANTIAGO: Shattering a pandemic record, a seven-day average of more than 265,000 new cases, blowing past the old high set this past January.

JHA: No doubt, we'll at least hit a half a million. We might hit a million a day. The question will be the hospitals.

SANTIAGO: Health experts worry the relatively low national COVID rates will test the system at a critical time, especially for young children who are not eligible. The number of pediatric hospitalizations is rising sharply, with the daily average up nearly 50 percent since last week, according to the CDC and HHS.

DR. ROBERTA DEBIASI, CHILDREN'S NATIONAL HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON, D.C.: What's been striking about this Omicron related surge is that the amount of kids coming in every day has almost doubled. It's not because the virus is more severe. It's because the overall infectivity and number of cases has really shot up.

SANTIAGO: Over the past month, the Omicron variant has spread through the U.S. rapidly. But the CDC's data shows Omicron accounted for only about 60 percent of new COVID cases last week and revised estimates significantly lower for the previous week.

This as a new FDA study showed the at-home antigen test may be less effective in detecting the Omicron variant.

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: The tests are still worthwhile. Don't let anybody think that the FDA was saying the tests are no longer good. They say they're less sensitive now. They never were 100 percent sensitive.

SANTIAGO: The tests are still extremely popular and nearly impossible to get. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We sat in the car for two and a half hours. And

then the -- finally, the policeman came and said no more.

SANTIAGO: Many COVID testing locations across the country are facing horrible lines and are running out of tests.

ANDY SLAVITT, FORMER BIDEN WHITE HOUSES SENIOR ADVISOR FOR COVID RESPONSE: Quite frankly, we'll see shortages of other things before January is done. We've quadrupled the number of tests in the last couple of months, but we still need hundreds and hundreds of millions more, given the demand.

SANTIAGO: Especially in the wake of the holiday travel surge, which is renewing debate on vaccination requirements for flights within the United States. It's a decision President Joe Biden said on Tuesday he would leave up to his medical team. But unless something changes --

FAUCI: We're not going to be mandating or requiring there's going to be vaccination necessary before you can get on a domestic flight.

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SANTIAGO: And still no word on when Miami-Dade County may be districting more of those at-home testing kits. They ran out on Monday after distributing 152,000.

In the meantime, the mayor here echoing what we've heard from health experts, urging everyone to get vaccinated and boosted -- John.

AVLON: Leyla Santiago, live in Miami. Thank you so much, as always.

COLLINS: Joining us now to discuss what Leyla just laid out there about the national landscape is Dr. Chris T. Pernell, a public health physician.

Dr. Pernell, thank you so much for being with us this morning and talking about this. Can we first start with what you're seeing with these record number of cases?

DR. CHRIS T. PERNELL, PUBLIC HEALTH PHYSICIAN: Definitely, Kaitlan. Thanks for having me.

So we're seeing here, even in New Jersey, a four-fold increase in pediatric hospitalizations. We're seeing our daily case rates skyrocket. And I can tell you that there is demand on the ground for those rapid at-home tests, as well as PCR testing across our healthcare settings.

We're looking to do partnerships and collaborations at the city, the county and the state levels to ensure that we're able to meet the demand collectively. And that's because of this surge around this Omicron variant and the concern that it's causing throughout the public.

AVLON: Dr. Pernell, great to see you again. You know, what we're seeing is this dramatic increase in the number of cases, but a much smaller increase in hospitalizations. So what does that tell you about the nature of these variants, combined with the fact that the CDC just slashed estimates of Omicron's prevalence in the United States?

PERNELL: I think it's fascinating, John, that with the CDC's revised percentage of cases that were due to Omicron, that we're still considering are we seeing lower hospitalization rates because Omicron is less virulent, or are we seeing lower hospitalization rates because we do have a considerable amount of the population that is vaccinated? Whether it's one dose, whether it's a full two-series dose, or even boosted.

I do want the public to understand, not to go -- fall asleep at the wheel and say, Hey, Omicron is not something I should be concerned about. Rather that we should do those things to keep us safe, regardless of what variant we face.

COLLINS: What does it tell you about the CDC slashing those numbers, though? Because of course, they're not sequencing all around the country all the time, which is likely why they change so much. There obviously is a margin of error when they announced this.

But this is a big decrease in what they had said they thought was the amount of Omicron circulating in the U.S., compared to what's actually circulating. So does that tell us that it's not actually increasing and transmitting as quickly and as much as we thought it was initially?

PERNELL: No, I do think it's increasing exponentially. Look, we need to do a better job around public health surveillance, whether that is sequencing of the variants with people who have infected cases, or whether that's our ability to understand where hospitalizations are going to trend next.

This is all a lesson of where our federal agencies need to improve in pandemic preparedness and actual messaging around public health and making sure that the tools are available to the public to control this pandemic.

Regardless of that number being reformed, everyone should know that this variant is more contagious. So you need to do the things that you can do to ensure you're protected.

AVLON: Dr. Pernell, let's cut to the heart of what has a lot of parents really concerned. Which is while hospitalizations are much lower, we're seeing a real spike in pediatric hospitalizations.

And I'm wondering what you're seeing in your hospital. How much of those hospitalizations are due to unvaccinated kids, even though many over the age of 5 are eligible now? How concerned are you about the severity of these infections?

PERNELL: Well, John, we know that pediatric vaccinations lag. Even in the state of New Jersey, those vaccinations lag. In New Jersey, as of Monday, we had approximately 59 children who were hospitalized.

If you look at a comparable time period in November, we we're averaging about two pediatric hospitalizations a day. And it's gone up to roughly about 11 pediatric hospitalizations a day in this past week.

So there is definitely a surge there. We're not necessarily seeing more severe disease. It's mainly, I believe, because those children are unvaccinated. And this is an opportunity for families to get vaccinated as a group, to say how do we ensure protection.

And then to also focus on the fact that 16- and 17-year-olds can get boosted and to encourage that. My niece just got boosted at the beginning of this week. So we're doing everything we can to keep everyone safe.

COLLINS: The FDA said overnight that those rapid tests that everyone is trying to get their hands on right now, that have been in short supply, may be less sensitive to detecting the Omicron variant. And so I'm wondering what you make of that and, if you're someone who's out there watching this right now, can you still rely on those rapid tests on a day-to-day basis?

PERNELL: Kaitlan, we have to understand how we're using those rapid tests. We already knew at baseline that the sensitivity of the rapid tests were approximately around 85 percent.

What those rapid tests are good for is if they're used in a serial fashion. You want to know if you have enough viral load on a given day, at a given time, to be infectious, or are you more likely to spread.

So if you've had an exposure, wait five days post-exposure. I recommend people to get a PCR test.

But if you wake up with symptoms and you're trying to figure out, Hey, are these symptoms due to cold or are these symptoms due to COVID, take a rapid test. And take those rapid tests in a repeated fashion if you're going to be doing travel, if you're going to a setting where you have people with vulnerabilities, or as a high risk for potential exposure. Take a rapid test, but always take them in a serial fashion, because that's where there's sensitivity in groups.

AVLON: Well, certainly, some testing is good, if you can get your hands on the test.

PERNELL: Definitely.

AVLON: I just want to go back to the question of children. You make the point that it might very well be due to a lower vaccination rate among children. So again, get your kids vaccinated.

But are you seeing more severity of illness in these kids, in addition to increased numbers? Or is this just a contagious issue, perhaps without that -- that increased impact on kids' direct health?

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PERNELL: Right. John, I would say right now it's mainly a contagion issue. We're seeing an explosion in the cases, not necessarily the severity of the cases that are coming in. And that is not so different than what we're seeing with adults.

But again, the risk of COVID in anyone is a dangerous risk. Whether that's an asymptomatic infection, a mild infection or a moderate to more severe infection. Because it also poses a risk of long COVID. And we know that our children are at risk to develop long COVID, as well.

AVLON: Such an important point. Dr. Chris Pernell, thank you very much, as always.

PERNELL: Thank you.

AVLON: And be sure to stay tuned for an interview with CDC director Rochelle Walensky. She's going to join NEW DAY next hour with all your questions about the new CDC guidelines.

COLLINS: The Senate lost an icon overnight. Harry Reid, one of the longest-serving Senate majority leaders in the history of the United States, has died at 82.

Landra Reid says her husband died peacefully after a four-year battle with pancreatic cancer.

The soft-spoken but combative Democrat rose from poverty in Nevada to power in Washington, spearheading two epic legislative battles: the Affordable Care Act and the economic stimulus package. Both were landmark victories for Democrats.

The scrappy former boxer had a reputation as a quiet leader with a sometimes quick temper. He represented Nevada in the Senate for 30 years and kept the Senate controlled by his party through two presidents, feuding with top Republican lawmakers along the way, and earning a reputation as a fierce partisan fighter during the years that President Obama was in office. He retired in 2016.

AVLON: And this morning, the tributes are pouring in, led by former President Barack Obama.

Lawmakers from both sides of the aisle also recalled their friendships with Reid, from Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, who succeeded Reid as party's leader, to Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, with President Biden writing, "If Harry said he would do something, he did it. If he gave you his word, you could bank on it. That's how he got things done for the good of the country for decades."

That's a bygone era but an eternal principle.

Today, flags at the Capitol will be lowered at half-staff in his honor. So let's get to CNN's Suzanne Malveaux, live in Washington, for more -- Suzanne.

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: All right. Good morning, John and Kaitlan.

Many are waking up to this shocking news. He was really larger than life here in Washington. He dominated. He impacted the political landscape like very few. And he also put his home state of Nevada on the map and its influence over, actually, who would lead the country at the highest level.

His lovely wife and high school sweetheart, Landra, said he died peacefully yesterday, following his courageous four-year battle with pancreatic cancer.

Now, Reid was a force to be reckoned with. With three decades in Congress, the fierce liberal Democrat pushed through epic legislation, including the Affordable Care Act, a nearly $800 billion stimulus plan during the height of the Great Recession.

And Reid, he rose from humble beginnings. He was born in Searchlight, Nevada, modest home with no running water. His father worked as a miner before taking his life at 58 years old. His mother earned income doing laundry for local brothels.

And Reid took up boxing before attending law school, did a stint as a U.S. Capitol Police Officer before entering politics, where early on he took on the Mob.

When I interviewed Reid, he always spoke softly, but he played hardball, once calling former President George W. Bush "a loser and a liar."

Reid said one of his proudest accomplishments, however, was encouraging then-Senator Barack Obama to run for president.

Obama released a portion of a letter to Reid, thanking him, saying, quote, "As different as we are, I think we both saw something of ourselves in each other. A couple of outsiders who had defied the odds and knew how to take a punch and care about the little guy. And you know what? We made for a pretty good team."

Reid also earned the respect of his Republican colleagues, as well. Current Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell saying this: "The runway that brought Harry to the upper chamber was nothing short of amazing. You could hardly invent a more quintessentially American story, and it took Harry's legendary toughness, bluntness, and tenacity to make it happen."

Also, former Republican House Speaker John Boehner recalling this, saying, "We disagreed on many things, sometimes famously. But we were always honest with each other. In the years after we left public service, that honesty became a bond."

Reid said in his farewell address on the Senate floor in 2016 that he didn't make it in life because of his athletic prowess, or good looks or genius, but because he worked hard. He also gave credit to his beloved fellow Nevadans, who brought him from Searchlight to Washington -- Kait.

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COLLINS: I mean, it's just such an amazing story that he had. You know, we always talk about politicians, and the childhoods that they have, and you know, how they sometimes overcome the really tough ones.

And his is just such an amazing one to really look back at -- at what he grew up and what he -- what he came to be.

Suzanne Malveaux, thank you for looking back on that for us.

MALVEAUX: Thanks.

COLLINS: Let's bring in CNN senior reporter Isaac Dovere. He has interviewed Harry Reid on multiple occasions.

And Isaac, I know last night after this news break, you were really just going through a lot of the moments that happened with Harry Reid and what he meant to so many people in Washington, not just Democrats but Republicans, too, who would -- who would concede, yes, he was a very wily tactician.

And so I just wonder, you know, what were some of the highlights of your interactions with Harry Reid?

EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Kaitlan, I think you nailed it there. He -- he is a guy who, if you have a conversation with Harry Reid, you would always remember what it was. Because you could barely hear what he was saying most of the time. He was always quiet in how he spoke.

But what he would say, he had this very sharp way of talking about just about everything. Whether it was what he thought should be done with the filibuster, to get rid of it now. Or Republicans that he didn't have a high opinion of. Most of all on that list, Donald Trump, whom he really despised.

And he would just say it in this very calm, frank way, that when he was done saying it, it was always a moment of, did he actually just say that? Is that really how it came out? And -- and it was.

AVLON: Well, so tell me about the contradictions of Harry Reid and the man's character. Because here's somebody who's being honored by both sides of the aisle but was tough. He did not pull punches as a former boxer. But he was still able to get big deals done. How did he balance those two aspects of his personality?

DOVERE: Well, he got the deals done, because he was tough. One of the things that struck me last night in all the tributes that came in was that word "tough" showing up. I saw it among other places in what former attorney general Eric Holder tweeted against him, but also what Stevie Van Zandt from the E Street Band said. His tweet was something like, "We haven't had the toughness since he's been gone."

And that really was the defining thing about Reid. He didn't really care about what people thought of him, whether people thought he was mean or tough or whatever. He was pushing forward toward the goal that he wanted and the goal that he thought would be the right thing for Democrats in the Senate and for the Democratic Party overall.

And when people would complain about it, famously in 2012 when he went on the Senate floor and accused Mitt Romney of not paying his taxes, despite having no proof of that, Democrats said, Oh, what are you doing? And he said, I think it's right. I think it's the right thing to do. I'm going to do it.

In 2016, after Donald Trump won, he went on the Senate floor, and he said, when other Democrats were trying to be conciliatory, He's a bully. He's inspiring people like the KKK. We shouldn't stand for it.

And last summer, I spoke to Reid about it, and he said to me, It would be hard to challenge the veracity of what I was saying. Time has proven me correct.

COLLINS: Well, and I remember Dana Bash actually asked him about that -- that exchange with Mitt Romney, and he said something along the lines of, Well, he didn't win, did he?

DOVERE: Right.

COLLINS: Obviously, and that was his point.

Can you talk a little bit about his relationship with President Obama? Because it became almost this protective relationship between the two of them. And of course, you saw Obama last night releasing that letter that he had written to Reid about how he -- he played such a big role in his presidency.

DOVERE: Look, it was a love relationship. And I think that that's a strange way to think of it with two men who met as adults in these very senior positions in politics. But it really was a sort of older brother relationship from Reid to Obama.

Reid encouraged Obama to run for president. He took Obama by surprise in saying when -- when Obama was still thinking, Should I really do it, as a new senator?

And then was one of the true reasons for the Obama agenda getting through to the extent that it did, especially on the Affordable Care Act. Between Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, there's no Obama legislative record, really, without them.

AVLON: Such an important point. It takes partners in Congress who are powerful to make a president successful.

Eric-Isaac, thanks so much for joining us and sharing your --

DOVERE: Thank you.

AVLON: -- thoughts and insights.

All right. Up next, one of the most influential people in the history of the NFL has passed away. We're going to reflect on the life and legacy, and quotes, and memorable enthusiasm of hall-of-famer John Madden and all that he's left behind.

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COLLINS: The sports world has lost a true giant. John Madden, the legendary NFL coach who turned his knowledge and love for the game into an award-winning career as a broadcaster, has died.

The league put out a statement overnight, saying that Madden passed away unexpectedly Tuesday at the age of 85.

He was a commanding figure on the sidelines and an unmistakable voice on television. As NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said, he was, quote, "Football."

CNN's Andy Scholes takes a look at his remarkable career.

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JOHN MADDEN, FORMER NFL COACH/SPORTS BROADCASTER: I have never worked a day in my life. I went from player, to coach, to broadcaster, and I am the luckiest guy in the world.

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS (voice-over): Super Bowl-winning coach, pioneering broadcaster, videogame icon. A larger-than-life personality, John Madden was, by any definition, a true original.

During his 30-year broadcasting career, Madden was widely considered the voice of the National Football League.

MADDEN: You have to attack them with the pass, and you have to attack them deep with the pass.

SCHOLES: His passionate way of calling games with unique catch phrases.

MADDENS: The Packers came out, they went boom, and they got 10 points.

SCHOLES: And a love for using a Telestrator helped explain the game for hardcore and casual fans across America.

He called NFL games for all four major networks, announcing 11 Super Bowls and earning 16 sports Emmys during his time in the broadcast booth.

Madden's NFL playing career was short-lived. He was drafted in 1958 by the Philadelphia Eagles, but a knee injury cut it all short. That's when he decided to try his hand at coaching, eventually becoming the youngest head coach in professional football history, at the age of 33.

In 1977, he led the Oakland Raiders to a Super Bowl victory and is still the franchise's all-time wins leader.

Madden was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame for his coaching career in 2006.

MADDEN: Boom. Tough-acting Tinactin.

SCHOLES: Madden was a television advertiser's dream, becoming the pitch man for numerous brands.

MADDEN: Let me tell you, Ace is the place for me.

SCHOLES: In 1988, Madden entered the videogame world, lending his voice and name to what's now called "Madden NFL."

MADDEN: You know, anything that goes that far that fast ought to have dinner and an in-flight movie.

SCHOLES: His video game is still the most popular football videogame ever, selling more than 100 million copies worldwide.

Whether it was his videogame, his broadcasting career, or as a Hall of Fame coach, his passion for the game is what will always be remembered.

MADDEN: Some of us think maybe we will be immortal, that we'll live forever. But when you really think about it, we're not going to be. But I say this. Through this bust, with these guys, in that hall, we will be forever.

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AVLON: Legend. Legend. All right. Let's bring in "Bleacher Report's" Coy Wire.

Coy, you know, so much about this man. He was an evangelist for football. He made it so accessible. The fact he retired at 42 with over 100 wins and just 30-something losses. Legend. What are some of your favorite Madden moments?

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS: Yes. Well, the game, of course, John. I mean, as a former NFL player, when I first made it, one of the first things I wanted to do was see, did I make the game? You know, and I think that's still true for so many NFL players.

But we're talking about a titan here, and the reaction to his loss has been profound and widespread.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell had this to say in a statement. He said, "Nobody loved football more than Coach. He was football. He was an incredible sounding board to me and so many others. There will never be another John Madden. And we will forever be indebted to him for all that he did to make football and the NFL what it is today."

Tampa Bay Bucs corner Richard Sherman tweeted this. He was on the cover of Madden, by the way. "R.I.P. to John Madden. It was one of my greatest honors to grace the cover of your video game. Thank you for the years of joy and motivation."

And LeBron James saying, "Rest in paradise to the GOAT, John Madden. Your legacy will continue to live on."

And John, you mentioned his record. His .759 winning percentage is the highest of an NFL coach to have coached at least 100 games. It's incredible to think that that's one of maybe his least memorable accomplishments, of all he did as a coach.

AVLON: Right. And doing that before the age of 42. Unbelievable.

COLLINS: Yes. Everything he did, he accomplished so much at young ages.

The game, it was so funny hearing him later talk about how he never imagined "Madden" being that successful and turning into the franchise that it did.

And I also just think it's so fascinating how he turned, you know, being a player, being a coach, into this amazing broadcasting career. Like, he never stopped. He just always kept going.

And as a broadcaster, Coy, he was so good, because he had this ability -- his phrases were so funny, the "bams," the "booms." Like everything, the way he talked. It really was able to draw people in in a way that it appealed to people who may not have been football fanatics like -- like I am. But it really was able to reach so many people.

WIRE: It's so true. He was a teacher, had a degree in teaching. And then that love of football, it just made magic when you brought those together, Kait.

And you mentioned the booms. I mean, as a player, if you got to play in one of his games that he was calling or in the video game, you made John Madden go "boom," you have arrived.

And his ability, though, to speak to different generations, and from the football aficionados to the coaches, who respected him because he was so detailed and knew the game so well, to the casual fan, where on a Thanksgiving Day, he would pull out the Telestrator and have a turkey on set. And he would circle the legs of the turkey. And you want to go here. You don't want to go here. Here's how you want to cut this thing.

I mean, he was just so likable, so unique. And there will never be another John Madden.

AVLON: He was just so himself. And I'm glad you mentioned that, because he had a special love for turducken.

WIRE: That's right.

AVLON: And I think folks should go out and get a turducken for him.

I want to point out, you played nine seasons of the NFL. You made the game. Don't sell yourself short. I mean, what was that like? How much did you and the other players look up to Madden, even when he was in his -- in his later years as an announcer?

WIRE: I mean, I remember tearing that game open and the popping it in and I'm just like, Go find Buffalo Bills. Find Buffalo Bills, and there you were.

Now, my rating was not a 99. It was far from it. I was a dumb rookie. But I made the game. And you had your friends calling and texting. It was such a cool moment.

But you know, the "Madden" 99, the highest rating you can get, NFL players and stars today, we've all seen them. They wear the big chains with the 99 if they've made it. This is a huge deal for anyone who's ever played the game. And even today.

And for those who played the game -- around the world we're talking, young and old. Some people will never see an NFL game in their life. They will play this video game and fall in love with the sport because of John Madden.

AVLON: Boom.

COLLINS: It's a legacy that is just always going to last.

Someone posted, speaking of the illustrator of the video last night, of when he had the cooler segment. And I was laughing out loud watching it. He was just so memorable, and just will have such a legacy.

Coy Wire, thank you for helping us remember it this morning.

AVLON: Thanks, man.

WIRE: Good to see you.

AVLON: You, too.

COLLINS: And be sure to stay tuned for an interview with the man who knew John Madden all too well. His long-time producer, Ted Shaker, is going to join us here in the next hour. And it is something you're not going to want to miss.

AVLON: Yes.

And up next, the House Committee investigating January 6th agrees to the Biden White House's request to stand down on getting hundreds of Trump's documents. Why the Biden administration is now raising concerns. That's next.

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