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One Year Ago, Trump, GOP, Fox Sold Lies That Would Spark Siege; National Guard in Ohio as Hospital Staff Shortages Spike; Chicago Closes Schools After Teachers Refuse to Appear. Aired 7-7:30a ET

Aired January 05, 2022 - 07:00   ET

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SEN. JOSH HAWLEY (R-MO): Well that depends on what happens on Wednesday. I mean, this is why we have the debate.

BAIER: No, it doesn't.

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JOHN BERMAN, CNN NEW DAY: There was no debate. That's a load of lies right there.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN NEW DAY: And he knew it.

BERMAN: It is such a lie. Joe Biden won the election and he knew it, and it wasn't up to Congress to decide.

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REP. JIM JORDYN (R-OH): It is for the United States Congress to do their duty. And that's what I plan to do tomorrow, and so do several others. I think hundreds of my colleagues tomorrow, we hope it's a majority, so that we can actually then have the United States Congress have the final say on this.

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BERMAN: Days later Congressman Jordyn, who attended a Stop the Steal rally, claimed he never said the election was stolen.

One year ago today, Sean Hannity was texting Chief of Staff Mark Meadows that he was very worried about the next 48 hours. Here's Hannity and Republican Senator Ted Cruz one year ago today.

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SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEX HOST: Big day tomorrow. Big crowds apparently showed up to the point where the west wing could hear the music and the chanting of the people that were there already. And this all kicks off in the morning tomorrow.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX): Well, Sean, that's right. And tomorrow is an important day. We have an obligation, I believe, to protect the integrity of the election and to protect the integrity of the democratic system.

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BERMAN: The thing is, as we now know from those texts from Sean Hannity, he was worried. He was worried about what would happen January 6th. Why? Why was he worried? What knowledge did he have of the events that were about to take place? That is what the January 6th committee wants to know.

One year ago today, the FBI was asking for help in tracking down a suspect they said planted pipe bombs outside the DNC and RNC headquarters, a person they have yet to track down.

One year ago today, pro-Trump protesters were headed to Washington, D.C., many of them were already there. Some of them would clash with police in D.C. that night and the next day repeat all the lies that they had been sold by Republican lawmakers, a coup-hungry president and right wing media.

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DONIE O'SULLIVAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Do you accept that Biden won the election?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely not. Biden did not win this election.

O'SULLIVAN: Are you proud of what happened here today?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely. I think we should have gone on in and yanked our senators out by the hair of the head and drag them out and said, no more.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I absolutely stand behind 100 percent what happened here today, 1,000 percent. It is terrible how this election was stolen.

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KEILAR: Joining us now to discuss further is Democratic Congresswoman Madeleine Dean of Pennsylvania. She was actually on the House floor when the Capitol was attacked. She was an impeachment manager during the former president's trial over his actions leading to the January 6th attack. Congresswoman, thank you so much for being with us this morning.

I do want to get your reaction to what we have learned about Sean Hannity's texts. He was telling Mark Meadows that he was worried about the next 48 hours. He said this on January 5th, the day before the insurrection, a day that he had spoken with President Trump. What does that tell you?

REP. MADELEINE DEAN (D-PA): Well, it's one kernel of information about the coordination and the planning of probably dozens, if not, scores and hundreds of people surrounding a very desperate, sick president who was trying to do anything he could and anything he could engender in them through his lies to hold onto power. I was there on January the 6th. I was actually in the gallery observing the challenges to the Arizona electors.

Sean Hannity is a fact witness, as the chairman has said. He needs to come forward. But he is one of many who witnessed what was going on, the unraveling of a president desperate to cling to power and the use of lies not over a single day but the meticulous, if not, chaotic use of lies that spurred in those people, in those American citizens, the belief that they were doing the right thing to attack their own democracy. That is a sickness that continues to threaten us today.

KEILAR: What does this say about the actions of the former president and his allies who try to shirk responsibility as if they didn't know what might be coming?

DEAN: It shows you state of mind for a lot of people. You saw from our own investigation, the meetings that were taking place in the Oval Office in the last three days leading up to the insurrection, an attempt to oust the attorney general and put in a puppet who would do the bidding of this desperate president.

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He is a president who is lost. He's surrounded by members of his party who had lost their way. And, really, what holds in the balance, what we hold in the balance is our very democracy. And we have to tend to it. We have to live by it and prove fidelity to it.

What the attack on the Capitol, it's hard to believe, Brianna, it is a year since that happened. It was hard to believe in the moment that it happened at all. These were Americans attacking America. All the while, for 187 minutes, the president who swore an oath to protect us as we were being escorted out in gas masks, as his own vice president was secreted to safety, he sat there and watched it, enjoyed it and did nothing.

KEILAR: I want to get your read on something that we heard from Bennie Thompson, who is the chairman of the January 6th committee. He says that -- he was asked about Mike Pence, the former vice president. He said he wants him to directly and voluntarily speak with the January 6th committee both about what Pence saw on January 6th as well as conversations before the attack.

What did you make of this? Is this a real thing? Do you expect that the committee will be formally asking Pence or actually expecting him to speak with them?

DEAN: I expect Mike Pence -- former Vice President Mike Pence to speak with Congress, to speak to this committee, who is meticulously doing their work. Anybody who has any knowledge of what has happened in the days leading up to January 6th and the days following January 6th needs to step forward as a patriot.

That's the difference between all of the 300 or more people who have been interviewed by this committee, many very high up within Mike Pence's own part of the administration. They're patriots. They know that we have hit a moment in our history where democracy, our right to vote hangs in the balance.

So, I believe that Mike Pence should come forward to say everything he knows. Why wouldn't anybody who was any part of what happened on January the 6th not come forward? The only reason I can think is that they were complicit. In the end, fortunately, the vice president did not try to throw the election and had his well, or the president -- the former failed president's will. He should come forward. Every fact witness should come forward so our history is complete, we will hold people accountable. And then Congress needs to get at the business of protecting our right to vote and our elections.

KEILAR: But just to be clear, are you saying that you think Mike Pence is complicit or was complicit in that day if he doesn't come forward?

DEAN: No. I'm saying that he has information that is valuable to the committee.

KEILAR: Okay.

DEAN: As I said, he did the right thing in terms of the electoral count. I was there to witness it. I was excited actually to be a part of that day that should have been really a ministerial day.

So, in the end, the vice president did not buckle to the pressure of a failed president who wanted to cling to power through his loss but Mike Pence absolutely has material information and facts that will reveal to the committee exactly what happened, who was complicit in the planning, who was at the Willard, what money was spent, what did the president do and know and participate in. Mike Pence could help this committee and his patriotic duty is to tell the truth.

KEILAR: All right. Congresswoman Dean, thank you so much for being with us this morning.

DEAN: Thank you for having me.

BERMAN: So, this morning, COVID cases and hospitalizations are rising across the country. To be clear, officials tell us that hospitalizations are overwhelmingly among the unvaccinated. Still, more states are enacting emergency protocols.

In the last week, Ohio, Maryland, Delaware and Georgia have mobilized national guard members to assist hospitals with patient care staff shortages increase.

CNN's Gary Tuchman is in Cleveland for us this morning. And, Gary, 400 MetroHealth Hospital employees are down with COVID this morning. That seems like a lot. What have you learned?

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, John, it's really incredible. They have a lot of employees, they have more than 5,000 employees but more than 400 are not coming to work because they have COVID. Now, we are here in Cleveland. We were invited to spend several hours in one of the largest hospitals in this city so we can get an idea what it looks like when the military is brought in.

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TUCHMAN (voice over): In the overnight hours of Cleveland MetroHealth Medical Center, Justin Lightner (ph) goes in to take care of a patient, so does Brandon Brown (ph), and Jordyn White does the same.

JORDYN WHITE, OHIO AIR NATIONAL GUARD: Hi. Can I take your vitals?

TUCHMAN: But none of these three people are employees of the hospital. They are with --

WHITE: The Air National Guard.

TUCHMAN: And the other two are with the Army National Guard.

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All three have medical training.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: let's check out this arm over here, are you doing okay?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think so.

TUCHMAN: National Guard Member Justin Lightner (ph) is working with one of the hospital's registered nurses. They are taking care of 88- year-old COVID patient Lois Murray (ph), who just got transferred out of intensive care unit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There we go. Give me a second. All good.

TUCHMAN: You decided to join the National Guard after seeing what happened on 9/11 when you were in kindergarten.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just wanted to help my community.

TUCHMAN: There are 28 National Guard members working at this hospital and they have their work cut out for them, not only because the hospital is full but because about 400 employees at this hospital are out of work because they have COVID.

Air National Guard Captain Lanette Looney is the officer in charge of the Guard mission of this medical center, which also consists of Guard members who do nonmedical tasks.

Are you concerned any of your National Guard members will contract COVID?

CAPT. LANETTE LOONEY, OHIO AIR NATIONAL GUARD: Oh, absolutely. Within two days of being here, we had four Guard members that were symptomatic with sore throats, headaches, body aches, fevers, nasal congestion. And they all tested positive for COVID. TUCHMAN: The personal risks are an inherent part of the mission. The chief nursing officer at MetroHealth is grateful.?

MELISSA KLINE, CHIEF NURSING OFFICER: METROHEALTH SYSTEM: Just to have some extra help and know that others are looking out for us is greatly appreciated.

TUCHMAN: And Frank Hudson also ended up in the ICU after testing positive for COVID.

WHITE: How are you feeling?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good.

WHITE: Good? Do you need anything?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm ready to get out of the hospital.

WHITE: You're ready to get out of the hospital? Yes, I bet.

TUCHMAN: Guard Member Jordyn White is 22. She is an EMT in her civilian life and wants to be a nurse practitioner.

WHITE: I'm going to put this on your finger. Perfect. You can relax a little bit.

TUCHMAN: Were the patients surprised when you tell them you are in the military and you're taking care of them.

WHITE: Yes. They're like, oh, really? Yes, they think it's cool and I think that's nice. I'm glad that they feel that way.

TUCHMAN: National Guard take care of patients in the hospital for other illnesses. Patient Sammy Hunter (ph) is here for a torn aorta and bleeding in the brain. He's getting an EKG from a hospital R.N. and Guard Member Brandon Brown.

BRANDON BROWN, OHIO AMRY NATIONAL GUARD: I have the floor right now. I will switch over for you, you have six. And I've got I.V. five.

There is a sense of pride that swells up in you when you know you are helping your community. It's a beautiful feeling, honestly.

TUCHMAN: Always on people's minds here, the sense of sadness that so many people don't get COVID vaccines.

DR. BROOK WATTS, CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, METROHEALTH: So, in the ICU admission, the vast predominance, up to 90 percent of the patients are unvaccinated patients.

TUCHMAN: Did you know that in addition to the nurses and the doctors that you have people from the National Guard, the military helping you out?

LOIS MURRAY, COVID PATIENT: Oh, yes. They're so good. They are wonderful. TUCHMAN: How does it make you feel that they are taking care of you?

MURRAY: Very safe.

TUCHMAN: : and among these people who have been so very sick, a feeling of American patriotism.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is the best country in the world.

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TUCHMAN (on camera): The best country in the world, he says.

Now, these National Guard troops are expected to be at the hospital, they are scheduled to be at the hospital until January 11th, which is only six days from now. But that could be extended if there is a need. And, John, there is a very good chance there will be a need. Back to you.

BERMAN: Look, everyone is so lucky that they're there and willing to serve. Gary Tuchman, thank you very much.

New guidance out from the CDC updates the guidance for people who test positive for COVID. We say guidance, but how much of a guide is it really? Has it really cleared up the confusion? The CDC now says that people who test positive should self-isolate for at least five days. And those who want to take a test during that time should do so toward the end of those five days. If that test comes back positive, but only if you chose to take it, right?

KEILAR: Optional.

BERMAN: Then the person should continue to isolate for a total of ten days.

The guidance stopped short of calling for everyone to get tested before leaving isolation. If I get a bad job explaining what the guidance is, it's not my fault, trust me.

Joining me now, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta. He's also the author of Keeping Sharp, Build a Better Brain at Any Age, now available in Paperback. Sanjay, you need like the best brain ever to understand what the CDC is saying here. And, look, I give the CDC a lot of grace in how they operate. They have had a really tough job over the last few years but I can't understand what they are saying and why this morning. Can you explain it?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, unfortunately, John, it is pretty confusing and I think it is going to create these lines, as we have seen throughout the pandemic, whereas if you want to do the right thing and you can get your hands on a test, you will do the right thing. But a lot of people won't. It may not be disincentivizing testing but it is certainly not incentivizing it.

[07:15:10] And I think this comes back to kind of the original sin, you know, that a lot of people have sort of framed around testing. We've never had enough testing.

Now, Dr. Walensky, who is the head of the CDC, says this isn't about shortage of tests. But, look, if people had tests in their home, if we are able to actually track these test, as we've talked about, since the beginning, we would be in a different position.

It makes total sense for testing to be a part of the return to life sort of protocols but, unfortunately, we still -- you heard about the 500 million tests that are going to go out at some point. Hopefully, that happens. But it is still not going to be enough tests. That could last a couple of cycles for people of testing. We need a lot of tests. We don't have them. And I think that's why you get fuzzy guidelines like this.

BERMAN: And, look, either they think you need a negative test or they don't, that's what is so weird about this.

GUPTA: Right.

BERMAN: And it's because they think you might get a false positive or you're not as contagious, just say it. Just say it. I just feel like they are not explaining themselves here. And to leave it optional is weird. I have never seen guidance like that. It's weird.

GUPTA: Yes. And I think there are these subjective things that are sort of driving it. I mean, they realize at this point there's a lot of people who are going to start getting pulled out of work, out of schools, out of hospitals, health care workers, like in Gary's piece, because they are testing for COVID. So, I think there is this desire to get people back to work as quickly as possible. That's in part driving this.

There's also -- Dr. Walensky said, look, a lot of people weren't following the ten-day isolation recommendations anyway. Only 25 percent or so of people were following that. But also this idea of when are you contagious and when do you stop becoming contagious. I don't know if we have this graph but we can show this quickly. It's interesting.

So, ten days is what people have sort of become familiar with. You can actually track how contagiousness sort of drops over that period of time. And, John, in the middle of that screen, day five, they say, well, Dr. Walensky said, most people are no longer contagious. But, in fact, what the studies have shown is by day five, 31 percent, roughly a third are still contagious. So, add to that that a test is not required, you could potentially be putting a lot of people out there who are still contagious, may not even know it themselves, and that sort of propagates the pandemic. That is a real concern.

The U.K. looked at the same data, John, and they said, seven days at least of isolation and two negative antigen tests in order to leave isolation. We are obviously nowhere close to that. BERMAN: All right. Also the CDC continuing to stand by cloth masks, suggesting that cloth masks are still okay. We have had plenty of people come on our air and say, no, no, no, you really need something more serious, more protective than that. What's your take?

GUPTA: Yes. I mean, the experts we have talked to, people who are experts in viral dynamics, been talking to them for two years, Linsey Marr, for example, says, given omicron, cloth masks just aren't going to cut it. Erin Bromage, who you've interviewed a bunch of times, John, basically says 75 percent of particles with this omicron virus will get through a cloth mask.

Unlike an N-95 or KN-95, which I should just point out, 95 means 95 percent roughly filtration, but also part of this is because not only are they high quality masks but also they have these electrostatic fibers within the mask, so they this electrostatic sort of energy that will trap some of these viral particles as well. And that makes it very effective.

I mean, if you're going to wear a mask, and you should, absolutely, when you go out in public, you should wear a good mask. And for a long time, these masks weren't as available. Doctors like (INAUDIBLE) have been saying for some time, if people just wore these masks for four weeks regardless of the type of variant, we could essentially bring this pandemic to an end. We're still not there. But you can now get these masks. They are much more available. There's a project called Project N-95. It's a nonprofit. Check it out. You can find out which masks are legitimate, because that's been an issue, fraudulent masks, and also how to get them.

BERMAN: I have to say also those masks you held up to me, Sanjay, are actually more comfortable. They're not at all uncomfortable. They're so easy to wear.

It seems to me what the CDC is doing here is they just don't -- a cloth mask, I suppose, is better than nothing. And they're afraid if they say cloth is bad, people will stop wearing them all together. Who knows, but, again, murky guidance there.

Sanjay, thank you so much for being human decodering.

GUPTA: Yes, thanks, good morning.

BERMAN: All right. Breaking overnight, the third largest school district in the United States closed today, the teachers refusing to teach in person. Tens of thousands of students and parents left in the lurch. We'll bring you the latest from Chicago, next.

KEILAR: Plus, the children of insurrectionists, one year later still grappling with what mom or dad did and how they became brainwashed in the first place.

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And will Joe Biden face a progressive challenger in 2024? The new promise from the left. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KEILAR: Breaking overnight, no school today in Chicago. No in-person classes, no remote instruction. The Chicago Teachers Union, in a vote last night, refusing to return to work until the latest surge in COVID cases substantially subsides. That's how they put it. This is triggered the shutdown by Chicago public schools, which wants in- person learning.

Joining me now is Michael J. Petrilli. He is the president of Thomas B. Fordham Institute, an education policy think tank. Michael, thank you so much for being with us to talk about this.

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I know this is so much concern to parents who watch their kids bearing the brunt of this pandemic. So, you want kids to be in school. Give me your pitch. Why do they need to be in school despite that there is a risk of catching COVID?

MICHAEL J. PETRILLI, PRESIDENT, THOMAS B. FORDHAM INSTITUTE: Absolutely, Brianna. Kids need to be in school. Here we go again. Look, we have learned over the last two years remote learning was no substitute for being there in person. We have seen our students lose a ton of ground over the last few years academically their reading skills, math skills way down, but also suffer so much socially, emotionally and mental health crisis.

This is why you see the secretary of education, the surgeon general, everybody saying we need kids to be in school. That is where they're safest. And that is where they can get all the services that they need and most importantly the learning that they need. They have lost ground and we need to be doing everything we can to help them catch up. And yet here we go again. We're going to close down schools. They are going to lose just more ground.

KEILAR: I wonder what you think about what's happening in Chicago, where teachers have decided they don't want to go in person. If you look at New York City, the new mayor there has made -- it's a pretty compelling case for why there are risks for students not going to school, that you can't just consider COVID. What do you think about what's happening in Chicago?

PETRILLI: Yes. Look, I think it's terrible. And I give credit to the mayor in Chicago who is saying that we need kids in school. But, you know, it's terrible that the teachers are basically shutting down the schools again. I mean, look, I feel for teachers, for administrators. This is incredibly difficult. They have been through a lot. But we've got to keep the schools open.

There may be some schools, individual schools where you have got so many teachers that are out sick, testing positive, that you simply cannot run that school. You can't keep the school open safely. So, if you need to close schools on a case by case basis for a few days or a few weeks, we understand that. But to shut down a system across an enormous city like Chicago, throwing hundreds of thousands of kids out, you know, their parents are working, what are they going to do over the next few weeks, and to have these kids lose ground again.

And, Brianna, this isn't happening out in the affluent suburbs. It's not happening in our expensive private schools. It is happening in our big city school systems, systems that overwhelmingly serve poor kids and kids of color who are already behind even before the pandemic, who have fallen further behind over the last two years because they were the most likely to be stuck at home, trying to learn at home over a screen. And now we're doing it to them again.

And so we're just going to -- we keep making these decisions that are going to result in having these achievement gaps bigger than ever and all these kids suffering needlessly when they need to be in class.

KEILAR: Yes. Look, not to ignore these pediatric hospitalizations but I think we all can agree there are so many more kids who have really been hurt emotionally, certainly educationally as they have gone through this. Michael, thank you for being with us.

PETRILLI: Thank you, Brianna.

KEILAR: So if students and teachers can mask up, why can't certain GOP senators do the same? We'll have more from Capitol Hill ahead.

BERMAN: First, the FBI with a message for insurrectionists who might think they're in the clear after a full year.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to be at this as long as it takes until we bring people to justice.

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