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Sem. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) is Interviewed about the Economy; January 6th Members Beefing up Security; Rachael Ray is Interviewed about Helping Ukraine; Coach Saves Swimmer from Drowning. Aired 8:30- 9a ET

Aired June 23, 2022 - 08:30   ET



JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Holiday. Is that something you support.

SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA): Look, I'm deeply, deeply sympathetic to the fact that families are paying a lot at the pump. But I always remind myself on this, the last time that a barrel of oil cost what it cost right now that gasoline itself was about $1.50 cheaper at the pump. So a big part of this is about concentration in the oil industry and price gouging.

But the president's trying to deal with these problems directly. And I think that's the right way to go about it. I think what we should be doing, instead of trying to get short-term pieces in, is we need to look at the longer arc of what drives prices. And when it's price gouging, then we need to give our administration more tools to deal with it.


WARREN: When it's that we don't have enough workers, then let's get childcare out there. We'd get 1.2 million women into the workforce if they had childcare.

We've got a lot of tools at our disposal. Those are the tools we need to be using.

BERMAN: Is that a yes or no on the gas tax holiday?

WARREN: So, look, I - I -- that's not the approach I would use.


WARREN: I would use a more systemic approach.

BERMAN: Then, another thing that has not been decided yet but is being discussed is eliminating the tariffs on certain Chinese products.

WARREN: Well -

BERMAN: Again, these are - these are things the president could do.

WARREN: Yes. Yes. BERMAN: Do you support that?

WARREN: It - it -- this one is, the devil is in the details. What products do we have in mind that are going to help supply chains in the United States? Because, remember, again, you don't want to trade short-term/long-term here. One reason we have so many supply chain problems is because too much of what we do is overseas. And it took the legs out from underneath our domestic manufacturing.

Those tariffs in part help protect domestic manufacturing. And we need to expand domestic manufacturing. We need those supply chains to be strong and we need more of them here at home.

BERMAN: It does -- it is interesting that you say you were supportive of how the Biden administration is doing this. But at the same time, you are opposed to some of the specific measures they have either specifically proposed or might propose. It just shows how complicated this issue is, Senator.

WARREN: You know, it is complicated. And that's why it is that I was so concerned yesterday when we had the Fed chair in front of us, that he has taken this extraordinary step of raising interest rates faster than has ever been done in 40 years at a time when an increase in interest rates doesn't match what's causing, what's driving the rise in prices.

You know, new reports just out from the Boston Fed, from the San Francisco Fed, saying that price increases, a big part of the price increases, are being driven by things like the war in Ukraine, and supply chain kinks, not by the fact that we have people actually with jobs.

And can we look at the other half of that? When the Fed chair says, yes, he would like to moderate demand, which means throw a bunch of people out of work, think what that means for families. You know, it's really hard then to fill up your tank with gas or to buy groceries if you don't have a job.


WARREN: That imposes a lot of pain on a lot of working people.

BERMAN: And - and this is why -

WARREN: And I don't think that's a good idea.

BERMAN: And this is why inflation is - is such a demon for any administration, for any country. And it's not about politics at all. It just is very difficult to deal with. And affects so many policy decisions. You continue to support student loan forgiveness.


BERMAN: Which I know you're a big supporter of.

However, there are people who look at that and say that in and of itself could be inflationary if you - if - again, I'm just giving you the argument that people make.


BERMAN: If you give people more money to spend, they will spend it and that is inflationary.

WARREN: So, keep in mind that even conservative economists say, no, maybe, maybe it could be about 0.2 of 1 percent effect on inflation. There's just no evidence that canceling student loan debt contributes to inflation. But here's what it does. It relieves the burden of payment for a lot of working families.

Keep in mind that only 58 percent of the people who have student loan debt actually have a college diploma. That remaining 42 percent tried, and God bless them, but pregnancy, they were trying to work three jobs and couldn't hold it all together, they now earn, like a high school graduate earns, but they are trying to manage student loan debt, and it is crushing them.


Canceling $50,000 of student loan debt would be a huge relief for tens of millions of working people. And, ultimately, I think we need to do more to make this economy work for working people. That's what our policy should be directed toward.

BERMAN: Senator Elizabeth Warren, thank you so much. Come back to NEW DAY, please.

WARREN: You bet.

BERMAN: How members of the January 6th committee are beefing up security amid growing violent threats.

KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: And Ukraine is experiencing one of the most difficult weeks it's had since the port city of Mariupol fell to Russian forces. And we're getting new information this morning about more territory potentially going the same way.


COLLINS: Members of the January 6th committee are new taking additional security measures in response to an increase in threats against lawmakers.


CNN's Melanie Zanona joins us live with her new reporting.

Melanie, what is this new increased security really going to look like?

MELANIE ZANONA, CNN CAPITOL HILL REPORTER: Well, three of the select committee members now have security details. Some of those were assigned right before the hearing. Some of them were assigned during the hearings. And there's also a push to get all of the members a security detail.

If you recall, there was a similar arrangement made during Trump's Senate impeachment trial for the House impeachment managers. Now, that decision rests with the Capitol Police. But lawmakers can also use their member allowances to pay for security upgrades for their offices, they can pay for security details with that.

But I think it's important to point out that even though there are heightened security concerns right now, this has been something that lawmakers have been dealing with really ever since January 6th.

Take a listen to what Adam Kinzinger, a Republican member of the committee, had to say about that.


REP. ADAM KINZINGER (R-IL): I mean, look, they're all getting these threats. I mean particularly Liz and I because we, you know, are considered RINOs in the GOP because we want the truth. But what that shows is, when you stir up evil, when you bring in light to a dark place, you see cockroaches get angry and scatter. And we're bringing light, we're bringing truth to the lies that have permeated in many people's minds. And that doesn't - it's not going to make them happy.


ZANONA: Now, Kinzinger has been very open about the type of threats that he has faced. He just had a mailed letter sent to his home threatening to execute him and his wife and his baby. So, really scary stuff. But, unfortunately, he is not alone in this.

Just last year there were almost 10,000 either threats or cases of suspicious behavior towards lawmakers.

COLLINS: Yes, we've seen how this violence is only ramping up, not just with lawmakers, with Supreme Court justices, of course, with the murder plot with Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

ZANONA: Right. Yes.

COLLINS: It's a concern that, of course, is a big one to whether or not it gets worse as these hearings go on.

Melanie, thank you for bringing us the latest on that.

Up next, we're going to be joined by the celebrity chef Rachael Ray as she offers support to Ukraine during what is such a critical moment in this war.

BERMAN: And a dramatic underwater rescue during a swim competition. A coach diving in for the save.


[08:46:13] COLLINS: We have new developments this morning on Russia's invasion of Ukraine as Russian forces are making substantial advances in the east as Ukrainian officials say two more settlements in the Luhansk region have fallen to Russia. Ukraine is enduring its most difficult week since the city of Mariupol fell into Russian hands.

Joining us now from Lviv is the celebrity chef and philanthropist Rachael Ray, who is on the ground there helping deliver aid.

And, Rachael, first off, thank you so much for joining us this morning. I think a lot of people will be fascinated to see what you've been hearing on the ground and, you know, what you've been experiencing.

RACHAEL RAY, CHEF, AUTHOR, TALK SHOW HOST, FOOD NETWORK STAR: I've experienced the most generous, beautiful people. I was here about, oh, three and a half, four weeks ago, and we -- I came back as fast as I could. It's - you know, I have several jobs. So, I have to fly back and forth.

But these people are so -- I want to be part Ukrainian. I think I have become that. They are defending all of us. They're defending democracy. They're defending the free world. And they've had everything taken from them.

And I've been every place. I've been to Jose Andres' World Central Kitchen and fed people alongside my friends. And we've been to the bus terminals and the train stations and seen the faces of people that walk up to 11 days with dogs and their children and get on buses with what's left of their lives. Professionals that had full, beautiful lives and all they wanted to be was free, and their lives are in bags.

And so I was possessed with coming here. I thought it was a moral imperative. And thanks to the person who helped raise our dog during a pandemic, our latest adopted pup, she is the sister, Elizabeth Legend (ph) is, of Wayne Jones (ph), and he introduced me to a man who's sitting in the corner right now, Andre Suday (ph). And, come here. Just come up here. Just come here.

COLLINS: Don't be scared. Come join us.

RAY: He's -- we are sitting in the classroom of the orphanage that he brought me to on our first trip. We brought many, many front-line tourniquet kits for the guys -

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First aid kits. Individual first aid kits.

RAY: (INAUDIBLE). First aid kits.


RAY: With tourniquets and all of the necessary first aid, 19 pieces in each kit. We brought thousands of toys for the orphanages. And we brought toys and treats for the dogs and cats at the shelters. And he is the man that brought me here. The UCC - I always thought it was three c's. It's not (INAUDIBLE). UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, it's only two c's.

RAY: It's only two c's.

Tell them about your organization. You have two and a half - two and a half million (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America. We are the largest and only (INAUDIBLE) organization representing nearly 2 million Americans who (INAUDIBLE). You know, we were very grateful, you know, that the Rachael Ray Foundation is a significant benefactor, significant donator to our organization. It's a true partnership.

RAY: And there's -- but there's now - there's three Andres in my life. The mayor, and the father here at this very special orphanage and it's also a school, their place of worship and a training center. It's a vocational school.

So, we made a list of what everybody needed at the hospitals, and here at the orphanage, and we made like a -- almost like a Christmas wish list, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's true. Yes.

RAY: And so we came back to deliver all those things. We're building on a kitchen. We're going to make spaghetti and meatballs tomorrow morning for all the kids here. And we're going back to the hospitals to deliver them (ph). But we gave - and we already sent to the front lines our kits. So --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So - so the children that are here, these are all orphans from the Donbas area. They have all lost their parents, their mothers, their fathers because of the war and because of Russian aggression. And they're being housed here. And, graciously, Rachael has come here a second time to give them a little bit of encouragement, to give them that smile on their face, to teach them how to cook.

RAY: And to bring toys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And to bring toys as well.

RAY: They requested Minecraft and (INAUDIBLE) Barbies and more paint. (INAUDIBLE).

COLLINS: I think one - one big question that people who are watching this and so impressed, Rachael, by what the two of you are doing, if they can't go to Lviv, they can't go to Ukraine, they want to know how they can help. And so I wonder, what would you say to people who are watching this. They want to know how they can get involved.

RAY: Keep the conversation - yes, keep the conversation alive, first and foremost. We have so much going on in our country now, in the U.S., that's distracting us and tearing us apart, we have to keep this at the forefront because these folks have given up everything in their lives to defend democracy for all of us. And we can be mindful and donate a little or a lot, our time or just share the work that the UCCA is doing and spread that message. You know, keep it in the forefront.

And whether, you know, whether you can donate time, or a few dollars, or just your goodwill and get other friends involved, that awareness level, people come together naturally, right? And when I came back a month ago, just from the last trip, so many people, right, are providing now medicine, tools that the hospitals needed. We made all these lists.

And our friends that we have conversations with, just by spreading that word, they're funding all of that. They're funding whatever they can, a little or a lot, that's great, but the most important thing is that networking and to keep that message out there and to help these folks, you know?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And kudos to our Ukrainian-American community throughout the United States. As I mentioned, there's at least 2 million of us. They are all working so very hard. They're all raising funds. They're all delivering humanitarian aid. They're all bringing, you know, some type of semblance to the atrocities that are - that are occurring here.

And that's why the main goal is also to make sure the narrative continues because every day thousands of innocent Ukrainians are dying. This is genocide. I mean let the world - not mistaken, this is a genocide that is occurring.

RAY: Just think what that feels like, your whole life, you have a normal, beautiful life and all you want to do is be free, you know? And it's all gone in literally a moment. And you see these folks. I've been next to children with no limbs. A boy that -- Igor, with -- who had a prosthesis put in his neck. He stood out (INAUDIBLE) the next day and hugged me and was thanking us for being here. He had just had his whole body put back together and shrapnel in his back. He's just a kid. These -- and these folks are defending all of us. They're -- they are our backbone right now.

COLLINS: Yes. Yes.

RAY: I feel it is absolutely (INAUDIBLE) imperative to be here.

COLLINS: And you made such a good point about, this isn't just right now, this is going have long lasting effects on the children who are orphans now, who have grown up in this.

And, Rachael Ray, both of you, thank you so much for joining us this morning to shed a light on what's happening on the ground, what these Ukrainians are going through, and thank you for being there. And we'll make sure to get the word out on how people here in the United States can help as well.

So, thank you, both, for joining us. RAY: Thank you. Thank you so much for your time. We appreciate you.

Thank you.

BERMAN: All right, the moment the swimming world championships in Budapest almost turned fatal. How one coach saved a competitor's life.



BERMAN: It is time now for "The Good Stuff."

A swimming coach being hailed as a hero after saving a competitor from drowning at the world championships.

Andy Scholes has all the details.

Great to see you in person.

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Great to see you too, John.

And this was such a scary scene at the swimming championships in Budapest, Hungary. The images showing what Coach Andrea Fuentes did, I mean they're just incredible. Take a look. Twenty-five-year-old American Anita Alvarez, she fainted during her solo routine and sank to the bottom of the pool. And with the lifeguards not reacting at all, Fuentes just dove in to save Alvarez. Another American swimmer actually also jumped in as well to assist once Fuentes got Alvarez to the surface.

Now, Fuentes is a four-time Olympic medalist herself, and she told a Spanish newspaper afterwards, I jumped into the water because I saw that no one, no lifeguard was jumping in and I got a little scared because she wasn't breathing. This was actually the second time Fuentes has had to jump in to save Alvarez. She also fainted a year ago at an Olympic qualifying event.

Now, Alvarez received medical attention poolside before being taken away on a stretcher. Fuentes posted on Instagram later that Alvarez was doing well and may even still end up competing later on at the championships. So, great to see a happy ending there.

All right, now the moment John Berman has been waiting all year for.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The best in show winner is the bloodhound.


SCHOLES: Trumpet the bloodhound winning best in show at the Westminster Dog Show last night. He's the first bloodhound to ever win the top prize in the event's 146-year history. Trumpet beating out six other finalists for the honor.

And, John, you've got to be happy, that's a big, nice dog winning best in show.

BERMAN: As I always say, I'm very happy for Trumpet.


Seems like a very nice dog. Bloodhounds seem very nice also.


BERMAN: My problem is, is that this dog show is really for people who like things a tiny bit inbred. Where are the mutts? Where are the mutts? This is America, we should be celebrating mutts and they are systematically discriminated against by this dog show. That's all I have.

SCHOLES: I've got a mini golden doodle, so I'm with you.

BERMAN: All right.

SCHOLES: Let them in.

BERMAN: CNN's coverage continues right now.