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Evidence Shows Trump Pressure DOJ to Overturn U.S. Election; Rudy Giuliani Under Scrutiny in Georgia Probe into Trump; Fed Raid Home of Jeff Clark, Ex-DOJ Official at Center of Coup Plot; House January 6th Committee Continues Hearing Testimony from Justice Department Officials regarding Former President Trump's Efforts to Overturn 2020 Presidential Election; New Polling Suggests Florida Governor Ron DeSantis Has Nearly Same Popularity as Former President Trump Among GOP Voters. Aired 8-8:30a ET

Aired June 24, 2022 - 08:00   ET

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And NEW DAY continues right now.

Good morning to our viewers here in the United States and all around the world. It is Friday, June 24th. I'm John Berman with Brianna Keilar.

"Just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and Republican congressmen," a sentence that rang across the halls of the Capitol and this morning, might very well be ringing into the courtroom. A day of sworn testimony about how former President Trump relentlessly pressured the Justice Department to more or less overthrow the election, pressured them almost every day, asking officials to say things that were not true, that they told him were not true, and trying to get them to do things without precedent and that were arguably not legal. Watch.

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REP. ADAM KINZINGER, (R-IL): Let's take a look at another one of your notes. You also noted that Mr. Rosen said to Mr. Trump, quote, "DOJ can't and won't snap its fingers and change the outcome of the election." How did the president respond to that, sir?

RICHARD DONOGHUE, FORMER ACTING DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL: He responded very quickly, and said, essentially, that's not what I'm asking you to do. What I'm just asking you to do is just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.

I made the point that Jeff Clark is not even competent to serve as the attorney general. He's never been a criminal attorney. He's never conducted a criminal investigation in his life. He's never been in front of a grand just, much less a trial jury. And he kind of retorted by saying, well, I've done a lot of very complicated appeals and civil litigation, environmental litigation and things like that. And I said, that's right, you're an environmental lawyer. How about you go back to your office, and we'll call you when there is an oil spill?

ERIC HERSCHMANN, FORMER TRUMP WHITE HOUSE LAWYER: When he finished discussing what he planned on doing, I said, good -- excuse, sorry -- a-hole, congratulations, you just admitted first step or act you would take as attorney general would be committing a felony in violating Rule 60.

DONOGHUE: He said suppose I do this, suppose I replace him, Jeff Rosen, with him, Jeff Clark, what would you do? And I said, Mr. President, I would resign immediately. I'm not working one minute for this guy, who I had just declared was completely incompetent. The president essentially said, Ken, I'm sitting here with the acting attorney general. He just told me it is your job to seize machines and you're not doing your job. And Mr. Cuccinelli responded.

KINZINGER: Mr. Rosen, did you ever tell the president that the department of homeland security could seize voting machines?

JEFFREY ROSEN: No, certainly not.

WILLIAM BARR, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: I sort of shudder to think what the situation would have been if the position of the department was we're not even looking at this until after Biden's in office. I'm not sure we would have had a transition at all.

KINZINGER: The only reason I know to ask for a pardon is because you think you've committed a crime.

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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN ANCHOR: So much to talk about here with my colleagues. I do want to start with what Bill Barr said, if we could. Bill Barr basically saying, we had to entertain some of these looney tunes ideas. We had to investigate these conspiracy theories the president wanted us to investigate, or he wasn't going to go away, there may not have been a transition. David Gregory what do you think of that?

DAVID GREGORY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: The power of yesterday was to hear Trump loyalists, after all, working in the Justice Department, reminding the country and the world that they have principles that is about the rule of law. And saying no, we're not going to do this. We are not going to engage in a crime, violation of the Constitution, because the president is posing questions about how to pull off this level of corruption. I think that is what is striking.

So you have the fact that the president was trying to weaponize his Justice Department and hearing that in such detail, but also hearing much to the relief, I think, of everyone listening that you had people who are not recognizable saying, no, absolutely we will not do this, what you're asking us to do, because it is a violation of the law.

And while these accounts have been around for a while, they have been written about, they have been reported on, God help us if there is not a price to pay for this level of corruption.

KASIE HUNT, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Look, Brianna, to your point, the fact it got so far as to have the Department of Justice called the Department of Defense to call the Italians to find out if their satellites were investigating our elections, what world are we living in, right?

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But you also have to think back to, you know, the time during which this was all unfolding. I remember being on the phone with mostly Republican senators who, especially earlier in the process, in November and December, were saying, well, we've just got to let this play out. We do have to indulge his worst impulses at least for a minute.

But I think what we really saw on display yesterday was the degree to which we actually were potentially at a crisis point, really over the Christmas holiday, right, when all of us were celebrating with our families, going to New Year's celebrations, these guys were in the Justice Department, essentially trying to make sure that the president didn't subvert the entire enterprise.

And look, there are critics, Democrats who are out there saying, look, this was too late, these guys should have figured it out a lot earlier, right, if there were other instances in the Trump administration. Sara, I know you've covered this extensively, other examples where the Department of Justice came under pressure to do what the administration wanted it to do. But I do think ultimately the point is they did the right thing when it mattered the most.

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: And it took all of them. That was the other thing. That was what was so powerful about having them all together. They all had to show up as a united front to say if you do this, if you decide to replace Jeffrey Rosen with Jeffrey Clark, we are here as a representation of the Justice Department, and we are all gone. So it took all of them to put up this united front in order to stop this from happening. If one of them had caved, who knows what the outcome would have been?

KEILAR: John Dean, this use or attempted use of the Department of Justice, how does this compare to what you saw during the Nixon administration?

JOHN DEAN, FORMER NIXON WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL: I worked in the Department of Justice initially before I went to the White House. I can tell you one thing, the line people, the people who day in, day out have been in that department for years, many of them, and they continue on through presidency after presidency, they're very strong, they're very loyal of the department. There is a spirit, even before the ethics rules were written, they had an ethics in that department that is unlike anything else in the government.

It didn't surprise me at all that they stood up, that these -- some of these men had come out of 14-year careers in the department. So I think they did their colleagues proud. And we never had a day like yesterday where the top of the Department of Justice leveled the presidency.

KEILAR: What did you think about how close we came to constitutional crisis, and what we learned yesterday, perhaps we came closer than we realized?

DEAN: I don't think Trump could have ever accomplished what he wanted to accomplish. I don't think Jeffrey Clark could have made it. That would have beheaded the department. That's what would have happened.

KEILAR: And the image of that is something that dissuaded President Trump, and this meeting he had with these -- right. It wasn't that it was illegal or that it was untoward, it was that it was going to look really bad.

GREGORY: There is another aspect of this, too, which is, we can go back to the first impeachment, about Russia, Russian interference in the election. One of the things we learned in the process of all of that is how open for business Trump was to manipulate an election, to compromise an opponent, to have a foreign power get involved. He was open to all kinds of ideas.

And it's only with this kind of united front, as John suggests, by professionals who have principles and adhere to standards of conduct and the rule of law that he says, OK, apparently that would be too tough. So he looks for the enablers. He looks for those who will accommodate his theories. And I want to make another point --

KEILAR: Leave it up to me and House Republicans.

GREGORY: Exactly. And we know, look, there is a lot of members of Congress. And unfortunately the barriers of entry are not tremendously high to get in there and to do this kind of work, unfortunately.

But let's also remember, to those who want to criticize the committee, to those who want to criticize the media, who say that there was -- the election was stolen, all these people have to be wrong. All these judges who threw out all of this purported evidence of fraud, they have to be in on the conspiracy, and so do these Trump loyalists who said, no, we're not doing that because there is no evidence of what you're suggesting. It is simply without merit. Listen to them. Put all the other politics aside. Listen to them. And I think that's the power in what we heard yesterday.

HUNT: And that's what Liz Cheney underscored at the end of the hearing. She said to Trump voters, right, I would make a distinction between Trump voters and hardcore Trump supporters, but Trump voters who were essentially deceived by him, they were misled. And if you look at the way, let's step aside from the legal ramifications here. Obviously one audience is the Department of Justice.

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But another -- the audience for Liz Cheney is the American people, specifically Republicans. And we learned in the 2020 election there were many of them who pulled the lever for their Republican congressman or senator and did not pull the lever for Donald Trump, right? Donald Trump lost the election in no small part because of those people.

So this is a political case that is being made as well. And I know, Berman, earlier mentioned that we have some data potentially to back this up, but you can see it in the elections we've had so far. Brad Raffensperger who testified earlier this week got reelected. Brian Kemp, governor of Georgia, Trump ran against him, got reelected. Nancy Mace in South Carolina, slightly different. Her district is a little bit more moderate, but she also pivoted a little bit. She was anti- Trump, initially, but then she said, OK, fine, don't have a problem with him, just vote for me, because I'm here for the district, right?

There is a playbook for these candidates to run without necessarily taking Trump on directly, but still actually moving forward from him. And when you look at these hearings in the entirety, as we head to a 2024 elections where we're likely to see Trump potentially as the Republican nominee, that's an incredibly important piece of this.

KEILAR: Yes, because there are no indications, Berman, that this is going to stop Trump from trying to run.

BERMAN: Yes. And look, that is one of the key questions that has been here in these hearings all along, and Kasie set it up perfectly, which is, are people watching, will it make a difference, can it change minds. And now there are certain numbers that raise the possibility maybe in certain ways.

CNN senior data reporter Harry Enten joins me now. And Harry, Frank Luntz was with us yesterday and Chris Wallace said the same thing. They were looking at this new poll in New Hampshire, which suggests it may not be that voters are turning on Donald Trump, just moving on from Donald Trump.

HARRY ENTEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICS WRITER AND ANALYST: Yes, that's exactly right. Let's start there in New Hampshire, right. This to me was a bombshell poll. It is within the margin of error, but Ron DeSantis at 39 percent, Donald Trump at 37 percent. Compare that to where we were in October of 2021, when it was Trump who was at 43 and DeSantis was only down at 18 percent. Here to me is the key nugget. Yes, it is just one poll, but it is the first national early state GOP primary poll without Trump leading since February of 2016. It has been six-and-a-half years when this particular gentleman was not leading the pack. This, to me, is one of these moments that we may look back upon and say, wow, the GOP voters may have decided, you know what, maybe we don't want to stand by Donald Trump completely.

BERMAN: What are you seeing in terms of the favorability numbers? ENTEN: Yes, so if we go nationally, this, to me, is another nugget,

of voters who may be saying, maybe I still like Donald Trump, but I don't love Donald Trump. I'm not stick with him through thick and thin. So this is the strongly favorable view of Donald Trump, really the love. And back in October of 2020, nationally, look at that, 68 percent of GOP voters said we have a strongly favorable view of Donald Trump. Look where we are now in a new FOX News poll. It's down to 53 percent. Look, there is still a lot of GOP voters who love Donald Trump, but there is clear degradation in his numbers whereby he's not as beloved as he once was.

BERMAN: And you can see it when you compare Trump to other figures as well.

ENTEN: That's exactly right. So this is, again, we're going to go back to Ron DeSantis, I think this is something we'll be talking about for a while. Favorable ratings among Republicans nationally, if you look among all Republicans, you see Trump with the overall favorable, 79 percent to 57 percent for DeSantis. But look at those who have an opinion of both of them, because there are many voters, GOP voters who don't have an opinion yet of DeSantis. Of those who have an opinion of both of them, look at that, about 83 percent have a favorable opinion of Ron DeSantis, Trump, it's just 81 percent. So Ron DeSantis, among those who know both of them, actually is better liked than Donald Trump is.

BERMAN: They both live in Florida.

ENTEN: They both live in Florida. This is another way of saying it. Look at this, where the voters who know both of them best, look at this, basically an even matchup with Donald Trump at 44 percent, Ron DeSantis. And remember, Trump won that primary by 19 points back in 2016. So the fact that we are this close is a real suggestion when voters really get to know these candidates, Ron DeSantis does about as well as Donald Trump does.

BERMAN: Donald Trump, again, strong but maybe not as strong. Maybe people are starting to look elsewhere. You can also potentially see it, and Kasie referred to this, in terms of his influence in these primaries.

ENTEN: If you look at the Trump primary endorsement win percentage, look, he's still winning most of the time. But look at this, back in 2020, he won 96 percent of those races. Now, just 82 percent of those races. So again, it is not that Republicans dislike Donald Trump, but it is clear that the love they once had for him may be coming away just a little bit.

BERMAN: Maybe not turning on him, but turning from him.

ENTEN: That is a beautiful way of putting it. You're great with words.

BERMAN: Harry, thank you very much. Brianna?

KEILAR: All right, so what is happening here? Are they really pulling away from Trump enough? I want to bring in John Avlon to talk about this. We see that shift, but I just wonder if it's really going to be enough if Trump announces he's running again, and then you have his supporters kicking into high gear, letting their support be known.

AVLON: Especially if you've got a crowded primary field, I don't want to skate too far ahead to 2024. But that what's been happening in --

KASIE HUNT, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Why ever not?

AVLON: Because it's a terrible habit we've got, but -- you know, what's been happening in plain sight is you have run a half dozen Republicans who've been actively exploring runs, if it's a crowded Republican field then Donald Trump's going to be the tallest guy in that outfit by a lot, right, name ID, you know, enthusiasm and all that. But what's interesting about the DeSantis challenges, Harry just dug into it is who can approximate Trump's toughness that the base likes, with less seditious conspiracy, with less baggage that's going to be appealing for a lot of folks, particularly in what's left at the center right of the Republican Party. Who were like, you know, I liked a lot of the policies, but this guy is just a disaster.

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, beat him, though.

AVLON: Yes.

MURRAY: You still have to beat him. This was the problem. Last time in a crowded field. Nobody knew how to hit Trump. Nobody knew how to hit back at Trump. They just always were thinking he was going to fall on his own sword, he was going to fall from his own demons. That did not happen. This is a person that you have to beat. And I still don't know, if the Republicans who are looking at running against him this time understand that.

HUNT: I mean, that's the big question, right? I mean, look, let's go back, let's flush backwards for a second to 2016 when this all unfolded, right? Scott Walker had been the front runner. Wisconsin, conservative governor hero of the last year. Remember, we were all obsessed with him for a --

AVLON: Flashback.

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HUNT: Remember, we were all obsess with him for a while. But he got to -- he was like the first to get out of the race. And he looked around and he said, guys, do you see what's going on? Like when he announced he was dropping out, he said, you guys are going to have to figure this out. If you don't get on the same page, he's going to win. And it is entirely possible that the same thing is going to happen this time that Trump is going to take these guys out one by one by one by one, unless they can figure out an alternative solution.

DAVID GREGORY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: The difference is that Trump did lose. And that hadn't happened before. He lost a major national election. The other point is that I think some of the success potentially is really focusing on culture, getting away from Trump, focusing more on culture, focusing more on the left, where we've seen gains made on the part of other Republicans, and the ability to parse some of these issues a little bit to separate corruption, conspiracy, from other things that, you know, that they may agree with, about Trump and Trump's approach to government.

And the other point that I just wanted to make going back to our previous segment is really important, I think for critics, especially Democrats and liberals who say, you know, anyone who worked for Trump, you know, we should throw them all out. They're all bad. Just remember that when you heard the testimony from those Trump loyalists, and not to demonize all of those people.

KEILAR: Well, I'll bring in John Dean on this. What do you think is at stake if you -- you know, first off to David's point about that, but also, what do you think is at stake, if Donald Trump runs again and has the chance to win?

JOHN DEAN, FORMER NIXON WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL: I think he's going to be very strong. As John Avlon knows, I've written and studied this personality behind these people have support Trump. They're authoritarian personalities. They're very, very, very hard to move. They are loyal, like no other personality in the political spectrum. So I think Trump has -- he knows he's got those people. He didn't go looking for them. They found him. And he brought people out who've never played in the game before. They're there. They're going to stay with him. And he's going to be tough if he runs, I think his health is criminal situation possibly will influence it. We've had federal candidates run from federal prisons before, too.

KEILAR: Yeah. Sara, you have some new reporting on Rudy Giuliani, can you tell us?

MURRAY: Yeah, I mean, there's been so much news this week. But one of the things that we are learning is, you know, we've been focused on all these investigations in Washington, there is a criminal investigation going on in Fulton County, Georgia. And there they have heard from a bunch of witnesses in front of the grand jury over the last few weeks, who have been very focused on Rudy Giuliani, very focused on this conspiracy late and testimony he gave before lawmakers in the state where he was saying there's all this voter fraud, here's what you need to do, you need to throw out this slate of electors.

So there were a number of Democratic lawmakers who testified before the grand jury about just how surreal this experience was, how out of the norm it was for him to appear like that what they -- he was asking lawmakers to do, and I asked Rudy Giuliani's lawyer, whether he has heard anything from the Fulton County District Attorney, and he said, you just heard something from a detective, wanting to be -- wanting to see if Giuliani's attorney would accept service. And I said do you think that might have been for a subpoena? And he said, well, I don't know because I declined to accept service.

KEILAR: It's impossible to know what it could be.

MURRAY: And I ask if he was worried at all about, you know, his client being under scrutiny there, and he said, you know, it's hard to worry when you don't really know what's going on in that investigation.

KEILAR: This is the climate. This is the climate in which we will see if Donald Trump decides to run again. A Donald Trump candidacy but is it something that affects him negatively?

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HUNT: I mean, I think -- honestly, I think so, yes. And here's why. Because look at Mitch McConnell, OK. All Mitch McConnell cares about, you saw it in his quotes about guns, as well as in politics and suburban voters. All he cares about is winning elections. He knows that Donald Trump is a loser. He knows that Donald Trump lost him two Senate seats in Georgia. This guy is not someone. The country is split, right? It's entirely possible for a Republican to win the White House. I mean, any presidential election completely up for grabs, but Trump has shown that he can't -- he's more likely to lose it than a generic Republican.

AVLON: Right, that's it. We're not a 50/50 country on Donald Trump. We're a 70/30 country and when 58% of Americans think he should be charged for inciting the attack on the Capitol is that ABC Ipsos poll shows, that's not a good stat for winning a general election. And so Trump will try a political sleight of hand say, he's going to try to turn the prospect of prosecution into persecution. I'm a victim, right? But what Mitch McConnell and other Republicans know is you know what, this guy is kryptonite when it comes to suburban swing voters.

KEILAR: There is so much more to talk about --

HUNT: We're going to be talking about it every day.

KEILAR: -- which is why, we can all grab brunch later and talk about it after the show if you join me. Everyone, thank you so much, I really appreciate the conversation.

Federal agents searching the home of a former DOJ lawyer who pushed election lies, who came close to being the acting Attorney General what we're learning this morning.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: And Don Lemon joins us with his exclusive interview with the filmmaker who documented Trump's inner circle before and after the capitol attack.

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JEFFREY CLARK, FORMER JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: At one point, you know 12 agents and two, Fairfax County police officers went into my house, searched it for three and a half hours. They even brought along something, Tucker, I've never seen before or heard of an electronic sniffing dog. And they took all of the electronics from my house.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BERMAN: That was former Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark, speaking about federal investigators searching his home on Wednesday. Now, Clark was at the center of an effort by former President Trump to get the Justice Department to falsely claim that there was widespread election fraud. Trump for a time sought to install Clarke as Attorney General in the days before the January 6 Capitol riot.

Here with me, CNN Legal Analyst and former State and Federal Prosecutor Elie Honig. Elie, this was a surprise and it was big. Investigators with a search warrant going into the home of Jeffrey Clark. What exactly does that mean that they had a search warrant?

ELIE HONIG, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: So it's a big step, John. There's some things we don't know, some things we do know. First, of all, in order to get a search warrant, prosecutors have to establish probable cause, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, probable cause that a specific crime was committed. As a prosecutor, you can't just go in front of a judge and say, hey, Judge, we have probable cause, take our word for it. There are situations you can do that, here you have to lay out, here's our specific evidence. Here's the crime we're talking about.

You have to show that evidence is likely to be found at that specific location. We just heard Jeffrey Clark say, they took my electronics, phones, laptops, that that's what you'd expect. By the way, there is such thing as an electronics dipping dog, they train them to sense the chemicals that are in the circuitry. So he may have been surprised by that. That's a real thing. And then importantly, a federal judge has to sign off. That is not automatic, John. I have sat there in judge's chambers while they review search warrant applications. Sometimes they say yeah, you've got it. Sometimes they say you don't quite have it. And I'm not signing off. Judge did sign off here.

Given that this was a search on a lawyer, a former DOJ official, a high profile person with political angles, almost certainly had to be approved at the highest levels of the Justice Department Attorney General Merrick Garland.

Now, what could this mean? Sometimes, but not always, a search warrant is a precedent to an indictment. But let's look at recent history. Two other Trump related lawyers were searched. Michael Cohen, of course, got searched by the FBI back in 2018. He was prosecuted, but he was the only one prosecuted in that case. Rudy Giuliani was searched a little over a year ago to this point, he's not been charged. Nobody else has been charged around that. So we'll see where this one goes.

BERMAN: Why is search warrant and not a subpoena?

HONIG: So two quick answers. First of all, when somebody gets a subpoena, they can object on the Fifth Amendment. By turning these documents over, I may be incriminating myself, not with a search warrant. Also, generally, when you think somebody's going to comply, give you all the information, not play games, not delete, you can give them a subpoena if you don't think that, that's when you go to a search warrant.

BERMAN: Probable cause of what? What are the possible crimes that Jeffrey Clark may have committed?

HONIG: Yeah, so we heard yesterday from Jeffrey Rosen and Richard Donoghue, Donald Trump's White House was all over them to find evidence of election fraud. They didn't. Jeffrey Clark stepped in with an idea. Why don't we just say that we found it and he drafted this letter, where he said, "At this time, we have identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states, including the State of Georgia," he wanted DOJ to send that letter to Georgia officials. That's just false. That's a lie. There is no such evidence and he wanted Georgia to act on it. He said in the letter, you should call a special session of your assembly to consider your electors. So what potential crimes we could be looking at a conspiracy to defraud the United States, doesn't have to be money, can be of a free and fair election, could be obstruction of DOJ of an investigation of Congress, fairly counting the electoral votes, could be a false statement, it is a federal crime to submit a false statement to DOJ, to the IRS, you name it. So those are the potential crimes in play here.

BERMAN: The word that jumps out to me is conspiracy here, because people could say Elie, he didn't send the letter. So there was nothing, no crime committed, but?

HONIG: Right. It's still a crime if you attempt it, and if you have a meeting of the minds with somebody, which brings me to the last point and agreement, let's do this. That's a conspiracy. So who else might be thinking about where they stand this morning? Representative Scott Perry, we heard evidence yesterday that he asked for a pardon. We know that he is the person who introduced Jeffery Clark, to Donald Trump. And he you know -- we know that he served as a conduit between the White House and Jeffrey Clark, who was their guy inside DOJ. So he may be a little bit concerned today as well.

BERMAN: Look, we're not saying that there will be charges here. We're just laying out the field that they might be playing on now these investigators, now that this very significant step has been taken.

HONIG: Yeah, it tells us a lot but not everything only.

BERMAN: Elie Honig, thank you so much. That was really helpful.

HONIG: All right.

BERMAN: So the filmmaker who has hours of interviews with Donald Trump and his family from before and after the insurrection who testified to the January 6 Committee just yesterday.