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Female Suspect on the Run, 3 Terrorists Dead; FBI Issues Warnings After Paris Attacks; Flight 8501 Tail Lifted From Seafloor; Search for Female Terror Suspect; Former CIA Director Could Face Felony Charges

Aired January 10, 2015 - 07:00   ET

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CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Our breaking news continues, that manhunt for the remaining suspect in this week's terror attacks in Paris.

We're so glad to have your company as always. I'm Christi Paul.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Victor Blackwell.

Good morning. And welcome to our viewers around the world.

We're going to go to Jake Tapper live in Paris with the latest.

PAUL: He's outside the office of the "Charlie Hebdo" magazine, where the terror unfolded on Wednesday.

So, Jake, I'm wondering what is the mood there today?

JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: Christi, Victor, good to see you, and good morning.

The mood outside the "Charlie Hebdo" headquarters, the bureau, where the horrific attack took place on Wednesday and 12 innocent people were murdered, it's become a memorial of sorts. People coming to pay their respect, to leave flowers, there are cartoons that individuals have posted in defiance and solidarity, have taped all over this little area.

Let me show you some of the headlines from today's newspapers. Hot off the press. "Le Figaro." The headline is here (SPEAKING FRENCH), "The Death of the Killers", referring to the Koauchi brothers, and the third terrorist killed in a kosher supermarket after he killed four individuals in a hostage standoff.

"Le Monde". The headline is (SPEAKING FRENCH), "The insane murders of the Kouachi brothers." (SPEAKING FRENCH), "All the way to the end, horror." All the way into the end, horror.

And this one is a nice one from "Liberacion", it says (SPEAKING FRENCH), kind of a defiant one "Hang in there, stay strong," a message to the people of Paris.

Here's what we know right now. Right now, the hunt continues for that one remaining known suspect in the attacks. There could be others who are unknown, but the one known suspect in the attacks, the attacks that stunned the country and indeed the world. Her name is Hayat Boumeddiene.

She is 26. She's is considered armed and dangerous. Her boyfriend, her alleged accomplice, Amedy Coulibaly, he died in that hail of gunfire, at the kosher supermarket where French police stormed the market yesterday where he was holding more than a dozen people hostage.

Coulibaly had also killed four individuals in that supermarket. North of Paris, police also killed the brother, Cherif and Said Kouachi, the terrorist who attacked here at the "Charlie Hebdo" headquarters, they made their last desperate stand at a print shop, ironically enough. After investigators say they gunned cartoonists and police right here at "Charlie Hebdo" offices on Wednesday.

There are now unconfirmed reports that al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, in Yemen, AQAP, is claiming responsibility for the "Charlie Hebdo" attack. Hundreds of extra military police are fanning out across Paris. There are so many unanswered questions swirling around this woman. Hayat Boumeddiene, now a fugitive, now on the run.

Alexander Field reports that police questioned Boumeddiene as far back as 2010.

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ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): She may be the most wanted woman in France, Hayat Boumeddiene, the only suspect standing after three-day reign of terror in Paris. Her alleged accomplish, Amedy Coulibaly killed when police raided the kosher grocery store where he took more than a dozen hostages, killing four of them.

New photos reveal more of their shared past, published by French newspaper "Le Monde", the pictures appear to show the two in 2010 in the region of southern France, Boumeddiene in a burqa and wielding a crossbow.

The man in this photo next to Coulibaly identified as Djamel Beghal, once known as al Qaeda's premiere European recruiter. Authorities say Coulibaly had known links to jihadist groups and to the suspected "Charlie Hebdo" shooters, Cherif and Said Kouachi, both killed during a separate police raid.

According to prosecutors, Boumeddiene has had over 500 calls with the Cherif Kouachi's companion.

WILLIAM BRANIFF, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, START: The question is, are there any other conspirators out there she may be trying to link back up with?

FIELD: "Le Monde" reports she was interviewed by counterterrorism police in 2010. The newspaper says she started a relationship with Coulibaly the same year and that last spring, she met him outside prison when he was released following a four-year sentence. The two reported live together and traveled to Malaysia.

BRANIFF: This woman does not have much to lose, so to speak, if her romantic partner had just been killed, if her life as a free civilian is likely over in France. If you can access the capability to conduct another attack, that's certainly well within the cards.

FIELD: French and U.S. authorities are now sharing intelligence, hoping to track her down.

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TAPPER: As we told you earlier, gunfire, explosions rock a kosher grocery store in Paris as French police rescued 15 hostages. Unfortunately, four hostages had been killed by one of the suspects in this horrific attack. The entire scene unfolded live right here on CNN.

Let's bring in CNN's Isa Soares.

Isa, what do we know about the hostages, what did they say after they had been released?

ISA SOARES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Jake. Yes, we're starting to get a sense of what happened yesterday in those three, four hours, really dramatic and very dangerous hours that were all witnessed on CNN yesterday.

We're getting a sense not just, you know, from what the attackers said, the terrorists said in the telephone interview to our affiliate BMF TV, but also what the hostages went through during those hours. To us, you know, three, four, hours waiting for the police. But once they got in there, it took a minute and a half to get the hostages out.

What we heard from one of the hostages is that he tried to escape, tried to get out through a freight lift within the kosher shop behind me, she tried to convince a couple hostages to join as well. They were just too scared. They didn't want to take the risk. They knew exactly that man was very serious and dangerous, because what I've heard this morning, before I went in, he was already shooting. He was already threatening people.

This gentleman said, look, no one would get in the lift. I said to them, let's all get inside the fridge. That's what they did, a very large fridge for five hours. And they were all there waiting for it to finish.

We've also heard from another woman who told us a very chilling and horrific detail of what happened in those hours. Take a listen to what Marie had to say.

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MARIE (through translator): The moment we went to the candy aisle, we heard boom. We saw the guy. He had had a bulletproof vest a green vest. He was holding two Kalashnikovs, a knife and a handgun. When he would get up, he would get up with both Kalashnikovs. We were sitting to our right there were two corpses, two customers who died in the very beginning. As soon as he got inside, he started shooting. He scared us because

he told us "I'm not afraid to die." He said, "Either I die or go to jail for 40 years."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): When people came downstairs running, I went toward the cold room. I opened the door and many people got into the cold room with me, I switched off the light and switched off the freezer. He asked to all come upstairs, otherwise he would kill everyone who was downstairs.

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SOARES: We've also heard one of those stories, the hostages say one lady tried to take the gun off of him. And, really, he turned around and shot her in the head.

I spoke earlier this morning, Jake, a lady, a Jewish lady who lives here, who heard it all unfold whose friend was inside. He was one of those four people who died. She said his family, his children, absolutely in shock today. Just no words for what has happened here in this very quiet area of Paris -- Jake.

TAPPER: Heartbreaking, and yet, she was so brave.

Isa Soares, thank you so much.

Just a short time ago, French officials wrapped up an emergency meeting where it was decided that the all right intensive counterterrorism measures would be stepped up further in the next few weeks.

Jim Bittermann is following that story.

Jim, what do we know about these increased security measures?

JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, there's a couple things happening here, Jake. One of the things the interior minister said they want to make sure there's increased secure around religious institutions. I think that would probably include the place where Isa is, the kosher supermarket, those kinds of places that are known to be identified with particular religions.

We've had -- since the terrorist attack here, we've had a half dozen or so attacks that haven't caused any injuries or anything. But mosques have been sprayed with bullets in reaction to the fact that there's a belief that these are Islamic jihadists who perpetrated the acts. And there's a reaction to that.

So, I can see that the government is concerned from just what they announced today, that there could be a counter point reaction here. And it may not be a very unified country after the attacks. One of the things they're having the march tomorrow about is to show national unity. But on the ground, I'm not sure that unity is going to be there.

In any case, that's part of the security that the ministry said they're going to bring up more 300 more military troops to reinforce the police on the streets. And more if necessary and they said for instance that the top police officers in 100 departments in France, also like in the states in the United States, that the top police officials can come to the government and say what they need, and the needs will be answered as much as the government can possibly do that -- Jake.

TAPPER: All right. Jim Bittermann, thank you so much.

New security bulletins from the FBI about security in the United States in the wake of this week's attacks here in Paris. We're going to have all of those details coming up next.

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TAPPER: Our breaking news coverage for the remaining suspect in this week's terrorist attack in France continues. I'm Jake Tapper live in Paris.

Let me just set the scene for you where I am right now in Paris. I'm right outside where the terrorist attack on the offices of "Charlie Hebdo", the French satirical magazine took place. Individuals have been coming here, making it a makeshift memorial, leaving flowers, taking pictures, drawing cartoons and posting them all over the buildings here.

There's a little girl right behind me, I don't know if you show her writing on a piece of paper, "Je Suis Charlie." I am Charlie. It's obviously an impression of support that's become a worldwide phenomenon.

France, of course, not the only nation on edge in the wake of this deadly terrorist attack. U.S. officials now see the sophistication and training behind the attacks as a warning for U.S. national security.

CNN's Pamela Brown has the latest new intelligence bulletins from the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security.

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PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After French police forcefully took out the brothers behind this week's cartoon shooting, FBI and DHS sent a bulletin to U.S. law enforcement, warning of the seriousness of the attacks. A U.S. official telling CNN that the bulletins warns the attacks this week demonstrated a degree of sophistication and training traditionally not seen in recent small armed attacks.

BOB BAER, FORMER CIA AGENT: It was clearly a military style attack. It was very aggressive. And that kind of training you only get in a camp in Yemen or Syria or Iraq. And I think they're looking for either Americans or Europeans who can travel there easily. And it would undertake a similar attack here.

BROWN: Alarmed by the brothers' claim the vicious attacks were in the name of al Qaeda in Yemen, U.S. law enforcement are scrutinizing any investigations involving Americans who may have travelled to Yemen, particularly at the same time as Said Kouachi.

Law enforcement officials say they are investigating people in the U.S. believed to be associated with AQAP in Yemen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's been a concern for a while. But this is obviously going to trigger new alarms.

BROWN: French intelligence given to the U.S. suggests Said trained with AQAP several years ago, and may have met with al Qaeda leadership there.

Law enforcement forces say so far, there's no indication any Americans are part of their network. But the big concern is that extremists in the U.S. may be emboldened to act.

BAER: It just takes one or two people with familiarity with an automatic weapon to take a building or department store or shoot them with people, which would have an effect on this country. I don't even want to imagine.

BROWN: In the U.K., an ominous warning from the British intelligence chief. During a rare public speech Thursday night, MI5 leader Andrew Parker said there will be more terrorist attacks to come.

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TAPPER: The warning issued by the U.S. State Department also says, quote, "Authorities believe there is an increased likelihood of reprisal attacks against the U.S., Western and coalition interests throughout the world, especially in the Middle East, North America, Europe and Asia," unquote.

Let's bring in Clint Watts. He's a former FBI agent and a senior fellow with the program on national security, with the Foreign Policy Research Institute.

That warning seems so broad. I guess they left out Antarctica, but I don't necessarily see the point of it. Can you shed some light on why the U.S. State Department -- I'm not asking you to justify, you didn't issue it -- but why would the State Department issue that?

CLINT WATTS, SR. NATL. SECURITY FELLOW, FOREIGN POLICY RESEARCH INSTITUTE: I think they probably feel they are required to issue some sort of warning just based on what has happened. But what I think is also illustrates, how long we know about any pending attacks that are out there. It basically said somewhere in the world something bad can happen. And that's really not much of a warning that you take any action from.

So, they're really just trying to cover their bases and probably feel they're required to make some sort of statement.

TAPPER: Cover their bases, covering something in any cases.

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TAPPER: Let me ask you about --

WATTS: Yes.

TAPPER: Go ahead.

WATTS: Well -- essentially, what they're trying to do is say, you know, copycat attacks are probably likely when we see an attack like we saw in Paris today. You know, if there are any extremists out there that have a thought in mind, or thought about taking action, whether they're connected with the terrorist group or working solely on their own, this is a great time to capture the media cycle and gather a lot of attention. So, I think what we're trying to say, we should be very aware of any potential plot that might be out there.

TAPPER: The brothers, the Kouachi brothers, at least one of them when he was talking to a French television station, claimed to have been working for the al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen, AQAP.

Do you believe they were?

WATTS: I think it comes down to two scenarios. The first one which is the most dangerous scenario, they were command directed by al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula to do this attack. I'm kind of leaning towards the second scenario, though, which is they went to Yemen, they had training, they had connections with other extremists. They had their own network. "Inspire" magazine from AQAP has released and it actually has Hebdo as one of the targets, and with a little bit of that guidance, maybe they did some coordination back with the headquarters in Yemen, said, hey, we're going to pull off this attack, then executed mostly independently, but still having been trained and somewhat guided by the affiliate.

TAPPER: And do you think this is the new normal in terrorism? These, I don't want to call them lone wolves, because there is some remote guidance. But almost like an independent franchises in terms of terrorism?

WATTS: Yes. I think what we'll see over the horizon is three varieties basically of terrorism. You'll have the lone wolves who are homegrown extremist, who are radicalized on their own, have almost no connection with any terrorist group inspired by the ideology. Like the attack in Ottawa, you might look at that sort of lone wolf extremist.

Then, in the middle, we'll have what we're seeing in Paris, formal foreign fighter who have trained with one more al Qaeda affiliates in Syria who have decided to come back to roost and take decide to take up an attack on their own based on limited guidance, and then the third most extreme which is an al Qaeda affiliate or ISIS in Syria directly attacking the West.

TAPPER: Clint Watts, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

Christi, Victor, back to you in Atlanta. BLACKWELL: All right, Jake. Thank you so much.

Possible answers in another breaking story we're following: the crash of AirAsia Flight 8501.

PAUL: Yes, the plane's tail section has been lifted now off the seafloor this morning. The question is about those critically important black boxes. We're taking you live to Jakarta, next.

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BLACKWELL: Twenty-four minutes after the hour now. Let's take a look at other developing stories this morning.

PAUL: Yes. Investigators may be closer to finding answers in the crash of AirAsia Flight 8501, because just hours ago, we want to share some of this video we've gotten in here. Search crews lifting the tail section of the ill-fated flight out of the Java Sea and loading it onto a ship there.

CNN's David Molko joins us live from Jakarta.

David, what condition was the tail section in when it was brought to the surface?

DAVID MOLKO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Christi and Victor, incredible pictures of that tail of AirAsia 8501 being lifted out of the Java Sea. Quite an incredible effort, three-day effort, with search teams trying to tie straps to it, airbags. Eventually this afternoon, lifting it to the surface, winching is aboard a boat.

Really when you see that AirAsia logo on the tail, right red, unmistakable, it drives the true cost of this tragedy home. This was an airplane, this is the first recognizable piece we've seen. The condition, though, past the vertical stabilizer which is the tip of the tail, not so good.

If you look at that there appears to be a window section, but that section is peeled back by paper. You have jagged edges. And the lower section of that tail where it attaches the fuselage looks like it's entirely ripped up. It's not even there.

At this point, Victor and Christi, it doesn't appear that the black boxes are there. You know, search teams are certainly going to take a closer look. But from what we're hearing from search officials, they are going to continue at this point to scour the seafloor about 30 meters, 100 feet down and try and find those boxes.

BLACKWELL: All right. David Molko in Jakarta for us -- David, thank you so much.

PAUL: Thank you.

Well, 500 phone calls -- that's how many times police say this woman, a terror suspect, spoke to one of the Paris attackers' wives. This morning, we got a new questions about what she knows, where she is, as police scour the streets to track her down.

BLACKWELL: Also, did the Paris attackers act alone or they being backed by al Qaeda in a horrifying act of vengeance? We'll get into that, next.

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PAUL: Mortgage rates dropped this week. Here's your look.

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TAPPER: A hail of bullets. That was the scene yesterday here in Paris, as French police carried out two different raids on terrorists. The result: three dead terrorists and a possible fourth suspect on the run.

Right now, French authorities are trying to find this woman, 26-year- old Hayat Boumeddiene.

Here's what we know about her. Authorities believe Boumeddiene was the accomplice of Amedy Coulibaly in a hostage-taking incident at a kosher grocery store here in Paris in which four civilians were killed. Coulibaly was killed when police stormed the market. He actually seemed to run into the hail of police bullets.

Now, police believe Boumeddiene may have escaped from the market amid the chaos. She's also a suspect in the shooting of a French policewoman on Thursday. Officials say Boumeddiene exchanged 500 phone calls last year with the wife of Cherif Kouachi, Kouachi, of course, one of the two brothers behind the brutal killing and terrorist attacks here at "Charlie Hebdo", the French satirical magazine.

This morning, we're also getting a new glimpse of yesterday's terror raid. This video shows the terrifying moments when police closed in on the Kouachi brothers at of all places a printing shop outside of Paris.

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TAPPER: Both brothers, Said and Cherif Kouachi were killed in that hail of gunfire. According to a new report, AQAP, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, that's the al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen, they are claiming responsibility for the brutal attack on "Charlie Hebdo". CNN has been unable to verify that claim.

Meanwhile, French media reporting that the 18-year-old man who turned himself into police after the "Charlie Hebdo" massacre, after seeing his name bandied about in media and social media, he has released today. It is still unclear if he had any role in the attack, or if he just somehow got caught up in the dragnet of it all.

Joining me is Samuel Laurent. He's a terrorism expert.

Samuel, first of all, let's start with Francois Hollande and his message to the country. You said it was different from what you've seen in the past. How?

SAMUEL LAURENT, TERRORISM EXPERT: Yes, indeed. Well, actually, what we saw for example this morning with the prime minister expressing his views on terror, saying that, for example, there's a war on radical Islam. Actually, this contradicts clearly what has been said by the interior minister a few weeks ago, saying, we can't criminalize jihad, that we can't criminalize radical Islam.

So, therefore, this government which is actually claiming unity is actually marred and crippled by contradictions, by internal dissensions, and we're merely powerless nowadays. And we see a huge security failure, biggest services are terribly hampered in France by lack of political will.

TAPPER: Am I correct that in all four of these terror suspects, the three who are dead, and the fourth, a woman, all four of them have Algerian roots? All four of them, their ethnicity is Algerian?

LAURENT: Yes, three of them, we're sure. For the fourth one, we're not. So, it needs to be clear for Coulibaly. But actually for them, the main reason about it is that all of these people were being monitored and checked by the security services for years. And it's very disturbing that we see, for basically a few weeks, a few months, the surveillance among them has been lightened, especially for the two brothers.

TAPPER: That's so odd. Why? I understand that there are more would- be jihadists in any country than there are law enforcement personnel that can keep tabs on them. I get that, and I understand that. But one of the brothers had done time in prison --

LAURENT: Exactly.

TAPPER: -- for recruiting jihadists. The other one had been to Yemen for terrorist training. It would seem they would be on the top of the list?

LAURENT: Exactly. You know, it's very difficult nowadays to see all of these jihadists coming out of ISIS and radicalizing themselves on the Internet and so on.

But actually those one as you say should have been the core of the network in France and should have been on the top of the list. Therefore, it's very difficult to explain how they were able to fly to Yemen which is a high-risk operation, especially when the brothers were on the no-fly list from the U.S.

TAPPER: Right.

LAURENT: So, the question is, are U.S. intelligence more able to find the French jihadi operating in French territory than the French intelligence itself? Therefore, it's a very disturbing question.

TAPPER: I also think, correct me if I'm wrong, that the Kouachi brothers not only would have been allowed to fly in the United States prior to this week, I don't think they would have been allowed to go in the U.K., right?

LAURENT: Yes, possibly. I guess it's true. I cannot confirm that, but I think the list is basically partly copied by the U.K. Yes, I think one of them at least, Cherif, was on stricken on that list.

TAPPER: Remarkable stuff, Samuel Laurent, thank you so much for talking to us. Really appreciate it.

Sabbath services were cancelled at the grand synagogue of Paris last night. It's said to be the first time that has happened at this historic synagogue since World War II. The growing fear of terrorism against the Jewish community here in France, that's next.

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TAPPER: Our breaking news coverage for the remaining suspect in this week's terrorist attack here in France continues. I'm Jake Tapper. I'm live in Paris.

France is still on edge after a series of attacks this week. The Jewish community here in France is particularly nervous after an attack on a kosher market yesterday. The gunman and four hostages were killed, 15 others were rescued. French President Francois Hollande is calling that attack an anti-Semitic act.

Sacha Reingewirtz is the president of the Union of French Jewish Students and he joins me now live in Paris.

So, Sacha, the students union organizing a gathering in front of the market this evening?

SACHA REINGEWIRTZ, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNION OF FRENCH JEWISH STUDENTS: Yes, we're organizing. Tonight, we will be gathering at 7:00 because we believe it's important to commemorate this event. And four people who are shot to death. Some people are still on the verge of dying, perhaps including forces. And I'm here to salute the incredible work that has been done these past days by the police forces of this country.

What I want to say tonight is that after the saddling of tonight, I hope tomorrow's gathering will be absolutely immense.

TAPPER: With the community, yes.

REINGEWIRTZ: Yes, I hope it will be gathered with millions. We want to show unity, we want to show support for anyone hurt in this attack whether they be (INAUDIBLE), whether they're (INAUDIBLE), whether they'd be Jews.

TAPPER: The neighborhoods, in a Jewish neighborhood, generally speaking, schools had to close in the area. Other stores had to close in the area.

Does the Jewish community, in Paris, feel under attack?

REINGEWIRTZ: Obviously, it does. But this claim does not come from -- it dates back quite a while actually.

TAPPER: Yes. Not just this week?

REINGEWIRTZ: Yes. The number (INAUDIBLE) doubled in the past year. Overall in the past 10, 15 years, there has been a growing threat against the Jews in France. This is something very worrying. But I don't want Jews to feel scared. I don't want Jews to think they don't have a place in our country.

This is our country. We've been here for hundreds of years. The history of French and the history Jews -- Jews are citizens of France. When you attack Jews, you don't just attack the community, you're attacking friends. The same way you're expressing freedom of expression, you're attacking freedom of religion when you attack Jews.

TAPPER: Let me ask you a question, we did a story like this on my show on CNN maybe six months ago, is it overstated how much Jews are actually leaving France?

REINGEWIRTZ: Well, at the point, we're only talking about 1 percent of the population has left.

TAPPER: One percent of the Jewish population?

REINGEWIRTZ: Yes, young people are moving in various countries. A lot of people want to leave. So, rather than focusing on the people who are leaving, we need to think about the people who are here, who are living here. And make sure that they don't leave in terror. Don't leave until fright and anger.

TAPPER: Well, let's talk about that. The grand synagogue in Paris didn't have Sabbath services last night. It's sad, it's the first time since World War II, since the Holocaust and that happened. That had must be very upsetting.

REINGEWIRTZ: Yes, this is a very sad is symbol. And on top of that, I know a lot of people yesterday didn't want to leave their home. I know a lot of Jewish schools are increasing their protection.

But again, this is not a new phenomenon. There have been protection in front of Jewish places of worship for years now. So, Jewish people importantly are used to having this protection. But I don't think this is the society we want to live in. You can't just imagine that a Jewish friend has to like (INAUDIBLE) by his side on top of increasing security measures I hope the government will increase the means of education, in a way that we can teach to our children how to cope with stereotypes, how to learn to live with one another.

TAPPER: The prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, spoke with your prime minister here in France, Francois Hollande. And I believe he asked for more police protection than already is outside areas that are Jewish places for gathering, synagogues, markets, stores. Do you feel that's necessary?

REINGEWIRTZ: Well, France has to take measures against the increasing terrorist threats, so that includes more protections on symbols of the republic and also for Jews, because unfortunately, there is a very strong feeling among the terrorists and the jihadists. However, I really believe that if we result to security measures, then it's the writing on the wall. So, we need further response. I do believe the mass gathering on Sunday which we will announce is to show that friends.

I was very moved by Chab, the head director of "Charlie Hebdo who died said I would rather die standing on my feet than on my knees. I want the French citizens to be all together.

TAPPER: All right. Sacha, thank you so much. Appreciate your time.

Christi and Victor, back to you in Atlanta.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Jake, thank you so much.

You know, the two brothers who carried out the attack at the French magazine, they did have a bit of a troubled past.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, they were both raised by sponsor kids in addition to that travel. Could that have contributed to their demise? We'll talk to a psychologist about spotting terrorist tendencies in children.

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PAUL: So, we're following breaking news right now. French authorities trying to find the woman you see on your screen there, 26- year-old Hayat Boumeddiene.

Here's what we know about her. Authorities believe she was the accomplice of Amedy Coulibaly at a hostage taking incident at a kosher grocery store where four civilians were killed.

TAPPER: This, of course, after the brothers said and Cherif Kouachi shot and killed 12 people on Wednesday. They led police on a wild chase eventually ended up, holed up at a printing plant nears Charles de Gaulle airport.

Anti-terror specialist forces, they killed both of them.

PAUL: Cherif was previously arrested back in 2005. And court documents reveal he has a long history of jihad and anti-Semitism. The brothers may, some think, have felt vulnerable because they were the result of being raised in foster care.

We do not know what the foster care situation was for them. But we do know they former teacher paints quite a different picture from them.

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PATRICK FOURNIER, TEACHER (through translator): They were two teenagers we really liked in this had foster home. They were not looking for trouble. The two brothers were very close, two children that loved each other. I told you earlier that these children were loved. Yes, their mother had difficulties to make ends meet, but they were loved.

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PAUL: I want to bring in psychologist Jeff Gardere, and also George Michael, author of "Lone Wolf Terror and the Rise of Leadership resistance."

Michael, I want to start with you. So, as we understand it, when we try to understand these lone wolves, or these middle groups, the men were being recruited for their love of soccer in the U.K., they're looking for a way to target the behavior in kids as young as 3 and 4 years old. What do you make of how these kids are brought into that kind of environment?

George?

GEORGE MICHAEL, AUTHOR: Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, some of these young people are susceptible to these extremist exhortations to violation. As far as profiling terrorists to such a young age, I think that can be problematic to say the least. But authorities are trying to determine which people might be susceptible to this radicalization process and these people that could act on these radical impulses.

BLACKWELL: So, Jeff, Christi talked about it for just a moment. The policy proposal with counterterrorism and security bill, in which there would be this policy for teachers, coaches, even at nursery schools to identify characteristics that might point to these children then becoming terrorists. How do you determine if a 9 year old is just a bad kid, or if it's something more?

JEFF GARDERE, PSYCHOLOGIST: It's very difficult to determine at such a young age, because children change their minds as they grow older. And we don't even know with these two individuals that we talked about whether being in foster care had anything to do with this at all.

I think is an overreach, Davis Davis, who is a conservative member of the British parliament even says, well, how are you going to determine whether a child is a future terrorist? Are you going to report a child because they happen to praise a cleric who's deemed to be extremist?

So, I think we might get a lot of false positives and we become the thought police and I think that pushes people further into isolation and possible targets for terrorist training.

PAUL: George, how susceptible are kids? Is there a particular age they are most susceptible being sucked into that kind of community?

MICHAEL: Well, I would say people in late teens, early 20s and even 30s. Young people that have a difficult time finding their niche in society. I think there's a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest that these kinds of people are most susceptible to the blandishments of extremists.

PAUL: Because the groups make them feel as though they belong somewhere. Is that right? MICHAEL: Yes, absolutely. They are willing to reach out to these

people, tell them that first and foremost, you're a Muslim, you might reside outside of the Middle East or other Islamic countries but nevertheless they encourage them to retain their Islamic identity and in some cases make their contribution to the global jihad.

BLACKWELL: You know, Jeff, you brought up a good point, in preparing for this segment I did not want to go in any direction that would malign children who are in foster care, people, the children end up there not by anything they did. It's just the circumstances.

But I wonder what is the inverse, what can be done in communities, not just in the U.K. or in France or really here in the U.S., around the world, to counteract the susceptibility of some children who might be looking for a place to belong and then would be prey for some of these groups?

GARDERE: Well, first of all, I think it would be absolutely wrong to isolate children of the Islamic faith because that will isolate them, that is a form of prejudice or racism. And so, I think we need to put out a broad-based educational program that teaches tolerance of LGBT community, of Jews, so that we're not having anti-Semitic thinking, of being non-sexist.

And I think if we target all children and teach them tolerance and acceptance and equality, I think we'll have a much better outcome, educationally and socially for those children.

PAUL: Good education for adults.

BLACKWELL: Yes, ongoing education.

PAUL: At the end of the day, too.

OK. Jeff Gardere and George Michael, we appreciate your insight. Thank you, gentlemen.

GARDERE: Thank you.

MICHAEL: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: Now, this hunt continues. Armed, dangerous, on the run the search for the woman, the suspect you see there on the screen, an attack that terrorized France. Her alleged accomplices all dead, all of the men killed. We'll take you live to Paris at the top of the hour.

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BLACKWELL: We're following yet another breaking news story this morning. Justice Department prosecutors want felony charges filed against the former head of the CIA.

PAUL: You might remember back in 2012, Retired Army General David Petraeus resigned from the CIA after an FBI investigation revealed that he had an extramarital affair with Paula Broadwell. That apparently was not the end of the high profile scandal because now the FBI says they can prove Petraeus also provided classified documents to his former mistress during that affair.

BLACKWELL: We have with us now, CNN global affairs analyst, Lieutenant Colonel James Reese.

Colonel, 2012, let's go back to that year. Petraeus told CNN that he never passed classified information to Broadwell. But is there any idea what sort of information that could have been shared between the two?

LT. COL. JAMES REESE (RET), CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Victor, good morning. You know, we've all read it, we've seen the issues. I know General Petraeus very well. I also know, working with the CIA, I've done work there also for my military time. It's a very difficult place to get information and it's not like they are passing papers around. It's a closed system, it's very difficult.

I think right now is just a lot of information that's not being shared out there, and unfortunately, I think at the time we are in the world what we're trying to do in the U.S., I'm not sure this is really a real important issue right now.

PAUL: But do you think that Attorney General Eric Holder would ultimately decide to seek indictment in something like this? Do you think there is enough evidence to do it if it's gotten this far f they believe charges should be brought?

REESE: Well, I know the FBI. There are agents that feel that they have the required documentation and the required information to go forward, they feel very strongly about it. And they will go forward. I think now it just become as political and leadership issue, to see what the senior leaders decide to do after what, 26, 27 months after General Petraeus resigned.

BLACKWELL: You brought up a very important variable I was going to, politics here. You say that this is of all of the things the U.S. is dealing with right now, probably not a priority. What role do you believe politics is playing here in the possibility that General Petraeus might face felony charges?

REESE: Victor, you guys know as well as I do, politics is everything. I mean, it really is. And right now I look at only one of the things I look at now is Ms. Broadwell had a security clearance, she was reserve officer, so she had a security clearance. And there might be a lot of little issues that might have happened for assumption say yes, there was information passed, maybe she didn't have a top secret clearance, only a secret clearance. Yes, those are issues.

But is that something we want to spend a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of money, a lot of political will on right now with everything we got going on? I definitely think this is just politics.

PAUL: All right. Lieutenant Colonel James Reese, appreciate your insight. Thank your being here, sir.

REESE: Thanks.

PAUL: Thank you.