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[07:00:07] VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: New this morning, in this saga now, the Kentucky clerk jailed for refusing to issue same-sex marriages licenses. She is in jail now. She's now claiming that any document without her signature is invalid, which would invalidate the marriages that happen while she's been in jail.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Plus, police say new video of a shooting of an officer in Illinois has them closing in on the suspects. We'll have the latest for you in that regard live.

BLACKWELL: And Hillary Clinton says she is sorry, not because she used a private e-mail server during her time as secretary of state, but, instead, because so many are confused by it.

PAUL: Good morning to you. It's 7:00 on Saturday. Just in case, you know, you need to know the time. Hopefully, you don't. I'm Christi Paul.

BLACKWELL: It's good to wake up on a Saturday and not care what time it is!

PAUL: Whatever.

BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to be with you.

We're starting with these powerful pictures are coming in. Nearly 3,000 refuges who are crossing into Austria. They've arrived this morning. You know, they spent a week trying to leave Hungary by train, bus, many of them walking. Refugees trying to find new homes after escaping conflicts in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, other locations as well. Live report from the Austria/Hungary border in just a moment.

PAUL: Something interests to see are the smiles on a lot of those people which we have not seen all. Yes. So, we'll bring you more of that.

But, first, let's talk about Kentucky clerk Kim Davis. She's waking up behind bars this morning, jailed for contempt of court for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples and defying the Supreme Court ruling, of course. Now, Davis says licenses issued in her absences, including the six that went to couples married yesterday, are worthless. And she has at least one very famous supporter, presidential candidate Mike Huckabee who says he is going to visit her Tuesday.

CNN's Alexandra Field is live in Grayson, Kentucky, following the story.

So, good morning to you. What's, first of all, is the reaction to her jailing?

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, I was in the courtroom actually when the judge decided to have her remanded into the custody of the U.S. marshals. And I can tell you that Kim Davis' mouth sort of dropped wide open. To me, she looked surprise and there were certainly people sitting on both sides of the courtroom who seemed to share that look, because the judge did have the option of giving her a penalty, but he said the reason for the contempt order was to try to force compliance with the issuance of these marriage licenses. He did not believe that would be solved simply by fining her.

So, instead, you've got deputy clerks who are now issuing these licenses. You have Kim Davis, who remains in jail because with she refuses to authorize them, and her attorney who says she isn't ready to resign from her job as clerk and she's ready to fight this fight.

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FIELD (voice-over): The six times the charm for William Smith and James Yates, partners for ten years.

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FIELD: They were cheered by their supporters after finally getting their marriage license following five other tries in Rowan County, Kentucky.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Each time we were rejected and each time we were told it was Kim Davis' decision. The last time we came was really, really hard, because we had protesters outside. As soon as we were rejected, we already we had our hearts broken.

FIELD: Kim Davis couldn't reject the couple this time. The Rowan County clerk was sent to jail after a federal judge in Kentucky held her in contempt of court for refusing to issue license to same sex couples, despite a court order to do so.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She can't violate her conscience. So, if that means she's going to be here for a longer period of time, she's prepared to be here.

FIELD: Davis remains defiantly opposed to authorizing same sex marriages, even as she sits behind bars.

JOE DAVIS, HUSBAND OF KIM DAVIS: If our government can bully you, then they're going to make everybody bow down to what they want to do. If we don't take our country back, we're the one who put them. They work for us.

FIELD: Davis rejected an offer from the judge to get out of jail if she agreed to authorize her deputies to issue the licenses or not interfere with that process. Five of those deputies are now giving out licenses that don't bear her name.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She needs to have her name and her authority off of the license. It could be issued under the authority of the commonwealth of Kentucky.

FIELD: Davis' attorney says a marriage license without her name on it is not valid, but lawyers for the couples disagree, which means everything to William Smith and James Yates.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are very happy, elated, actually, that we got our license this time.

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FIELD: Kim Davis' attorney came to the jail to visit with her. He says she is in good spirits and that he plans to appeal the contempt order that has her behind bars -- Christi.

PAUL: All right. Alexander Field, we appreciate it. Thank you.

By the way, later this morning, we are talking to Davis' attorney live, lots of questions there, including how long is she willing to stay in jail for this.

BLACKWELL: All right. We'll talk about that.

Also, let's you take to Fox Lake, Illinois, where police say they have new surveillance images of people they believe are connected to the shooting of Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz.

[07:05:05] They are looking for three men, two white, one black. Now, the officer's weapon, we learned, was also recovered at the scene. It is unclear at this moment if he was shot using that weapon.

There is now a $50,000 reward for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of those who killed Gliniewicz.

Rosa Flores joins us now from Fox Lake.

And, Rosa, any idea of when authorities will release these surveillance images?

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, authorities have been very tight-lipped, Victor, about releasing any details regarding this investigation. They say that they want to make sure that they are correct whenever they do issue the photo or even a better description of these suspects, because as you know, right now, the only description we have is that they are looking for two white males and a black male. That is very, very vague.

However, this new surveillance video that they are calling golden nuggets of information and data, because they believe that they have video of before and after the shooting from video cameras and home surveillance systems and business surveillance systems -- and hear this: late yesterday, we also heard that they have DOT camera video. So, from the Department of Transportation.

Now, that means that they have vehicle traffic, they could have foot traffic as well. They were very smart at the DOT, by the way, to actually save the video, because it's usually recycled, that hard drive is usually recycled, but they saved that video. Very important in this particular case for this investigation.

Now, the other thing that we learned late last night is that canines were back on the scene. Investigators were back on the scene canvassing inch by inch and trying to see if they had missed something and they had. The commander in charge telling us they found significant evidence yesterday.

Now, again, they won't tell us what that evidence is. But they did find new evidence and evidence technician did, not a dog, not one of the metal detectors that they were using, but a human being went back and found new evidence. They are processing that evidence.

Now, we also learned new details about the weapon that was recovered. That weapon, the commander says, does belong to the police officer who died. Now, they won't tell us if that weapon was discharged or those CNN sources do tell us that it was. And they also tell us that that weapon was recovered close to Lieutenant Gliniewicz body. Now, we know that his body was recovered 50 yards from his cruiser.

So, again, a lot of details, Victor, that we don't know in this particular case. And, quite frankly, they tell us that they don't have video of the actual crime happening. So, they have video of the before and the after. But that critical piece, they don't have. And so, they are being very careful before they release names or better descriptions or images of potential suspects.

BLACKWELL: All right. Rosa Flores, after days of really vague information, hopefully, some leads coming from the discoveries as of late. Thank you so much.

Let's dig deeper into the Illinois officer's shooting investigation and bring back former FBI assistant director, CNN law enforcement analyst, Tom Fuentes.

Tom, the FBI reviewing the surveillance video. Help us understand the decision, if they are looking for people, why not release at least stills or descriptions of these men?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: That's a good question, Victor, and I don't know. We know the FBI is trying to assemble the videos from many different sources and put them into one series of chronologically ordered pictures and videos.

But we don't know, you know, how clear they are, what they have, and how many of them. You know, some of the videos were 24-hour loops that they have had to go through the whole sequence to try to find what the appropriate time is and then try to match the times up so that they are correct by sequence.

But, you know, the decisions being made in this case to put so little out about descriptions, you know, is a little bit baffling. You really want descriptive data out there for the hundreds of officers that are looking for them, as well as -- you know, the greater metropolitan area of Chicago with over 4 million people, you want the eyes and ears of the public as well. So, you know, why they are holding that much back on that, I hope they will tell us later at some point.

BLACKWELL: Would that suggest -- I know in recovering past investigations -- that law enforcement often does not release a full description because they know who these people are. They just don't want them to go underground and they have to find them.

Is there any here to indicate that might be the case?

FUENTES: Well, it's hard to understand how they would have specific names and possibly addresses of suspects in this case, but it's not impossible.

[07:10:01] So, if they have that kind of information, that would be a good point, that maybe they are setting up surveillance on known residences of either the individual or friends or families of them that they might to and not want to disturb them and go underground. Withholding crime scene evidence is common only because -- one of the reasons I should say, because many people out there will claim they did it and the police will get flooded with false claims, believe it or not.

And so, they need to have information withheld when they ask somebody, OK, what happened? How far away were you when you shot the officer? Where did you put the gun? How far away was the gun? You know, go into specific details of the crime scene that only the persons at that crime scene would know and that's why that kind of information is withheld.

BLACKWELL: Yes. And we have seen something similar in just the past few days with that report of a sighting that turned out to be a hoax. So, officers not only dealing with digging through some leads, but dealing with people who have, unfortunately, nefarious intention.

Tom Fuentes, good to have you.

FUENTES: Thank you, Victor.

BLACKWELL: Sure.

PAUL: Let's switch gears to the political arena and the race for the White House this morning. Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton heads to the primary state of New Hampshire as new details, of course, are revealed regarding her private e-mail server. An official from the Clinton's campaign tells "The Washington Post" the Clinton family personally paid a state department staffer to maintain her private server. Now, the arrangement reportedly ensured that taxpayer dollars were not

spent on that server. In the meantime, the former secretary of state is addressing the controversy in a new interview.

CNN's Sunlen Serfaty live in New Hampshire this morning.

So, we're seeing a shift, are we not? I mean, Hillary Clinton seemed defensive initially about this whole subject. We are hearing some contrition from her now.

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely right, Christi. She is really showing a lot more remorse about the controversy and all the questions the use of her private e-mail server has created in that interview, but she said she is sorry specifically for all those questions, for the controversy, it's created but she really did not directly apologize for using that private e-mail server, which is a very important distinction to make.

Here's what she said in an interview yesterday.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: At the end of the day, I am sorry that this has been confusing to people and has raised a lot of questions, but there are answers to all of these questions and I will continue to provide those answers and those answers have been confirmed and affirmed by the State Department and by other government official. And, eventually, I'll get to testify in public. And I'm sure a long and grueling time there, but all of the questions will be answered.

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SERFATY: And Clinton will really try to change the subject today with a big campaign push here in New Hampshire this morning and later today.

This is, in part, to really minimize the gains that we have seen Senator Bernie Sanders make in this state and we saw Clinton take her first real shot at Senator Sanders in that same interview, saying that anyone can wave their hands around and make a big speech but questioning, are you really connecting to voters? This was a similar argument that actually she made in 2008 against then-Senator Barack Obama that someone could just make big speeches but questioning if you're actually making that connection.

So, certainly, one small sign, Christi, that Senator Sanders may be getting under Clinton's skin.

PAUL: All right. Sunlen Serfaty, good to see you. Thank you, ma'am.

BLACKWELL: Donald Trump facing some criticism after being grilled on foreign policy. The GOP frontrunner refuses to talk tactics and stumbles on leaders of terror groups. We're going to talk about a part of this radio interview, a really revealing part likely you have not heard. Plus, the U.S. is considering some serious sanctions against China.

We'll tell you why coming up.

And the thousands of refuges. Finally some relief arriving in Austria, waiting, many of them to get to Germany to seek asylum. We'll take you there live in a moment.

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[07:17:24] HUGH HEWITT: Either accidentally or intentionally a Filipino or a Japanese ship, what would Commander-in-Chief Donald Trump do in response?

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I wouldn't want to tell you, because, frankly, they have to -- you know, somebody wrote a very good story about me recently and they said there's a certain -- it was actually another businessman. Said there's a certain unpredictability about Trump that is great and made him a lot of money and success.

You don't want to put -- and you don't want to let people know what you're going to do with respect to certain things that happen.

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BLACKWELL: All right. That's GOP front-runner Donald Trump facing one of the tough questions about foreign policy. That was during that interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, about terror groups, immigration, China as you heard.

We've got with us, Republican strategist Lisa Boothe, and Democratic strategist Maria Cardona.

Good to have both of you because.

MARIA CARDONA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Hi, Victor.

LISA BOOTHE, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Good morning.

BLACKWELL: Good morning.

Lisa, first to you, this philosophy of not discussing specifics is not unique to Trump, but do you think voters -- especially with someone who is not a politician, typically doesn't deal with foreign policy needs to offer more so voters can make the right decision?

BOOTHE: Well, they do, and particularly on foreign policy. I know that there's been accusations from Donald Trump to Hugh Hewitt, that these questions were gotcha questions.

But I absolutely don't think they are. Look, Hugh Hewitt has a tendency to ask these types of foreign policy questions. He posed the same questions to Carly Fiorina and he posed equally as difficult foreign policy questions to Jeb Bush. These guys aren't running to be student body president. They're

running to be the president of the United States, commander-in-chief, overseeing the world's largest super power, the world's largest nuclear arsenal. So, you better be able to differentiate between who our friends and enemies are.

So, absolutely, I think these questions are fair, and there should be a thorough vetting process throughout this entire nomination process.

BLACKWELL: Stark difference, Maria, between what we've heard from Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina, both business leaders. But, Carly Fiorina's answer went into some specifics that we didn't hear from Donald Trump.

CARDONA: Absolutely. I completely agree with Lisa on this. I think the answer to the China question was just jaw-droppingly, insanely stupid.

And what is even more stunning to me is, he -- you know, it's fine to your point, Victor, a lot of politicians refuse to answer questions that are, you know, that are hypothetical, right? We have heard that in the past. But the reasons he gave for not answering this one, because he wanted to be unpredictable?

[07:20:03] You know who else is unpredictable in the world, Victor? Kim Yun-il (ph) from North Korea. Is that who he wants to be?

I think this should send chills down the spines of Americans who are actually thinking of considering Donald Trump as serious commander-in- chief. And I actually think this could be a moment where, you know, he's hit a high. He's at 30 percent of Republican voters in this country nationally.

But, right now, he is looking to try to get others within the Republican tent and, frankly, perhaps independents and Democrats as he likes to say.

We are at the point where now voters are really looking at him perhaps more seriously when they hear these kinds of answers, I think he is completely taking himself out of the running and hopefully voters will take another look at him and say, this is not the person we want on the world stage representing the United States.

BLACKWELL: Maria, I think you meant there Kim Jung-un. But I get your point here.

CARDONA: Kim Jung-un, yes.

BLACKWELL: Let's go specifically to something that -- you talked about answers that Hillary told Andrea of MSNBC. Let's talk watch and then talk.

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CLINTON: You know, I was not thinking a lot when I got in. There was so much work to be done. We had so many problems around the world. I didn't really stop and think.

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BLACKWELL: She says she didn't stop and think what kind of e-mail system there will be, talking about this private server.

Not 12 hours later, Maria, "The Washington Post" confirms that a Clinton campaign official confirms that the Clinton's paid a State Department staffer back in 2009 to maintain the server in her home -- clearly, an inconsistency there, if not more.

CARDONA: No, I don't think it's an inconsistency, Victor. I actually think what she was thinking about was not wasting taxpayer money on something that she was maintaining in her own home.

Look, she has been more contrite about this than she ever has been, which I think is a good thing, because I think that that will help voters now look beyond this. And if you take a look at her answers to this, they have been a lot more detailed, they will continue to be a lot more detailed. We see her staffers are coming in to be questioned by the committees.

She is going to come and testify in late October in front of the committees as well, which I also think is good. And to her point, she will continue to provide those answers for those Americans who do think that these are legitimate questions.

But at the end of the day, Victor, I think this is an important point, when she is out on the campaign trail, she never gets a question on this whole e-mail issue --

BLACKWELL: That is true.

CARDONA: -- from voters. What voters are looking to her to answer --

BOOTHE: That's not true, though.

CARDONA: -- what are you going to do for me?

BOOTHE: The majority of the voters don't trust her.

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CARDONA: Lisa, Lisa! Hang on! The voters do not ask her about this. People who ask her about this are the media.

BOOTHE: Well, then, Maria, the number one issue that voters associate with her is the term "liar". And I'm glad Maria brought your North Korea earlier because Hillary Clinton e-mailed about the whereabouts of North Korea nuclear assets. That's a kind of top secret information that contained on her server.

And the big problem is, you know, Maria was talking about Hillary Clinton's staffers before. One of them that had detailed information on the e-mail server is pleading the Fifth from a perceptionally is an admission of guilt. So, Hillary Clinton is in big trouble here and it's the kind of

interviews she did with NBC as of late, you know, apologizing for the confusing surrounding her e-mail. That's the kind of tone deaf that is getting her in trouble with voters. She also talked about --

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BOOTH: No, Maria, let me talk. She also joked about Snapchat and her e-mails disappearing as if that is a good thing.

BLACKWELL: That tone has changed, Lisa. It's important to say -- we have got to wrap it up here but you said there is a perception of guilt. I mean, invoking one's Fifth Amendment does not admit anything.

BOOTHE: Real quick, though! Real quick, please!

BLACKWELL: Ten seconds.

BOOTHE: We know she sent classified information.

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CARDONA: She did not send classified information.

BOOTHE: Yes, she did! Let's be truthful!

BLACKWELL: We've got to wrap it up.

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BLACKWELL: We get this here every week! Hopefully, you'll continue the conversation off line.

Ladies, thank you both.

PAUL: We always learn from them, don't we? We always get some insight.

BLACKWELL: We do. It's always a great conversation.

PAUL: Absolutely. It's a great conversation.

Listen. There is a story we have monitoring all morning. Some of the latest pictures we want to share with you now. Thousands of refugees, here they are, as they're arriving in Austria today, of course, on their way to Germany, where they are hoping to be planning asylum.

But what awaits them there? We're going to have a live report from the Hungary-Austria border.

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[07:28:10] BLACKWELL: All right. Checking out other stories making headlines this morning. Coming up on the bottom of the hour, the U.S. is considering sanctions against China for cyber attacks on the U.S. private sector. Officials say no final decision has been reached, but it would not be the first time U.S. has sanctioned China. Past defenses include narcotics and supporting terrorism.

PAUL: And some really sad news this morning. Winnsboro, Louisiana, a local high school football player at Franklin Parish High School has died from injuries while playing in a game last night, a football game.

According to the coroner's office, Tyrell Cameron died shortly after transported to Franklin Medical Center. His school is tweeting Tyrell will live on in the memory of those who loved him. Prayers for his family, support from throughout the state is greatly appreciated. Again, died from injuries sustained in a football game.

BLACKWELL: Let's go to Missouri, where this morning, police are investigating the shooting death after 16-year-old boy at the hands of his 11-year-old neighbor. Now, the 11-year-old boy says his neighbor was breaking new but some neighbors are disputing that claim. We're going to have more on the investigation coming up in about 15 minutes.

PAUL: And, in Arizona, access to the river raft launch near Glenn Canyon Dam is closed today. Authorities estimate a 500,000-pound rock, a slab there, is loose. It could fall from the canyon wall into the river below. Geologists are working now with scaling crews to try to install bolts and better secure it.

BLACKWELL: Europe is struggling with a flood of refuges coming in every day. I mean, they're welcoming tens of thousands of people, but it's not easy to accommodate everyone. You see the crowds here arriving in Austria. The question -- where do they go from here? We will take you there to the border next.

PAUL: Plus, a 10-year-old boy's family says their son is suffering brain damage due to pesticide poisoning, we'll tell you who they say is responsible.

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[07:33:54] VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: This morning, we are getting new pictures of some of the thousands of refugees arriving in Austria this morning. They are tired, they are hungry.

But you saw that girl there with the smile on that girl's face and people are cheering on the Austrian side of the border -- a far cry from the desperate situation over the past few days, waiting for days, more than a week for some, in a Budapest train station. Hungarian authorities refused to let them go without proper document.

Well, finally, some tried to walk to Germany, because they had no option. And then, some busses came to pick them up.

These refugees are some of the thousands streaming into Europe from conflict zones. You see the map here.

We've got Fred Pleitgen at Nickelsdorf train station in Austria. He's on the phone with us. What are you seeing there, Fred?

FRED PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): It's a remarkable scene here, Victor. This entire train station is completely crowded with people. Most of them, of course, from Syria. But it's also quite remarkable scene in that the people, the local people in this very small village have come out and they have just brought an immense amount of donation here.

[07:35:06] You see a lot of water, a lot of food that's been brought. There's a whole sort of stand full of clothes and shoes for the folks that have arrived here to choose from.

The other thing that's going on here, the train station is a key place because this is where the refugees tried to get trains to other parts of Austria, but also to Germany. And as I'm speaking to you right now, there is a train has come to the station that's supposed to go to Austria and then to Munich, in Germany. And that's why this big scrum of refugees has now gathered in front of that train.

The authorities here are trying to put them on there one-by-one to do this in an orderly way, because, of course, otherwise, this train would be completely overcrowded. But you can just see the desperation these people still feel and how badly they want to move on to finally get to a location where they can settle down again, Victor.

BLACKWELL: Fred, any indication of how many of these people, maybe even anecdotally, hope to stay in Austria and the option to stay there?

PLEITGEN: Well, that's a very good question. I would say the vast majority of them, just from speaking to the people here, the vast majority want to stay in Germany. They want to make that journey to Vienna and then they want to go on to Munich and then try to stay in Germany.

But I had spoken to some also who wanted to stay in Austria. If they want to do that, the moment they go over the border from Hungary, they have to tell the Austrian authorities they want asylum and then they get transferred to a different place. There's a shelter near the border area where they can go to.

But also, Victor, I've also spoken to a lot of people who just wanted to get to Western Europe. They really don't know where they want to go or what is going to be next for them. They just wanted to get to -- outside of Hungary. They want to get to Western Europe and see where they go from there.

And a lot of it also is not really in their hands. Once they get to the Munich train station, the German authorities, at least for the beginning time, replace them somewhere into a temporary shelter until they are asylum applications is processed. A lot of this is out of their hands. A lot of them do have has a sense where they want to go and a lot of them really want to get this far and they want to be how they go along. BLACKWELL: Yes, we've got live pictures up on the screen now of the

crowds there waiting to get on this train, hopefully, to Vienna, as you describe, and then maybe on to Munich. As people are -- maybe not clear where they are going. They just know where they are is better than where they have been.

Fred Pleitgen on the phone for us -- Fred, thanks so much.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: CNN global affairs analyst Bobby Ghosh is joining us now.

So, Bobby, help people understand why Hungary isn't willing to let these refuges go to Germany. We know the Hungarian prime minister said, if the E.U. continues to allow refuges to come in, Europeans would become a minority in their own continent. Does that sum it up?

BOBBY GHOSH, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Well, that's a big part of it. You have a government in Hungary that has a record of being, quite openly, xenophobic, Islamophobic, racist even and an unfortunate situation in Hungary. Fortunately, a lot of ordinary Hungarians feel very differently from their government and we have seen that in some of the treatment that ordinary citizens have given these.

Hungary also has another problem. I suspect it worries if it allows these refuges through, then others will follow and it will become some sort of a conduit. That shouldn't be a big problem if they provide a smooth transportation and passage through the country, but they are worried more people will come and their infrastructure will be overwhelmed.

PAUL: How many refugees do you think can Europe realistically accommodate?

GHOSH: Well, it's hard to put a number on this, but you're seeing such varied responses from different European countries. Germany says it can take 800,000. That's a really significant number. That's more than the number of refugees that are in Jordan.

And tiny Finland, just this morning, a country that has 10 percent unemployment, a country whose economy has struck three years in a row, tiny Finland has said it will take 30,000 people. That's a big chunk. Meanwhile, in the U.K., they are arguing over a few hundred.

So, it's hard to put a number on how many Europe can take, but it's safe to say a lot more than they have before.

PAUL: The State Department spokesman told CNN's Brianna Keilar that the U.S. is prepared to take in and most likely will accept about 3,000 refuges from that region the end of the year.

Do you suspect or anticipate that that number should go higher?

GHOSH: Well, certainly, it should go higher. If Finland can take 30,000 and United States can take more, Argentina again this morning said they would open their doors. The U.S. is a considerable distance farther away, but that has not

stopped in the past. Historically, people have made the journey to the United States from greater distances, 3,000 sounds like a very, very small number for a country as large and as rich as the United States and a county that is involved directly and indirectly in the Syrian crisis. The U.S. does have a bigger role to play.

But in addition to taking more people, there are other things the United States can do. It can provide aid, it can provide -- you know, the Army Corps of Engineers can build camps and reasonable shelters and housing in other parts of the world for these refuges and countries that don't have that kind of engineering and technical skill and perhaps the U.S. could put pressure on the Gulf Arab countries, rich Arab countries that take none, no refugees.

President Obama met King Salman of Saudi Arabia yesterday. Saudi Arabia takes no Syrian refugees. That is just unacceptable. They give money but clearly money by itself is not enough.

PAUL: Certainly based on the pictures that we are seeing, it's finally something that is really coming to the forefront that people are becoming aware of and need to be, no doubt about it.

Bobby Ghosh, we're very so appreciate of your insight here. Thank you, sir.

GHOSH: Anytime.

BLACKWELL: A 10-year-old boy in Florida is hospitalized after his house was sprayed for termites. Now a criminal investigation is opened and we will tell you what happened and who is involved here.

A teenager killed allegedly breaking into a home and shot by the 11- year-old inside. But there are claims that that story is not true. We will tell you what a neighbor says really happened.

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[07:45:16] BLACKWELL: A family in Florida wants answers after their 10-year-old son became ill when their home was fumigated. He is still in the hospital recovering.

Sara Ganim is live in New York, trying to get some of those answers.

Sara, what's going on this morning? New developments here?

SARA GANIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: These are such scary incidents. This happened three weeks ago, but just last night, just yesterday, the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Affairs, issued a stop work order on this particular pest control company although that does not bring a whole lot of comfort to the family of this little boy who is now very sick.

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GANIM (voice-over): This is Peyton McCaughey last year, celebrating his ninth birthday with friends. A year later, he is spending his tenth birthday at Miami Children's Hospital, struggling to recover from brain damage, a suspected poisoning from pesticides.

According to the family's lawyer, the pest control country called Sunland, a subcontractor of Terminix, fumigated the family's Palm City, Florida home for termites on August 14, using a gas called sulforo-fluoride. Two days later, the family was told it was safe to return but mom Lori and dad Carl, their 7-year-old daughter and 10- year-old Peyton all quickly got sick.

Peyton's condition was the worst.

ED GRIBBEN, PEYTON'S UNCLE: He was -- his eyes rolling and legs weren't working. He couldn't hold himself up.

GANIM: The fourth grader who loves playing sports and "Minecraft", and is known for his smarts and wit now has trouble speaking and moving his arms and legs. His uncle told CNN that Peyton has lost 90 percent of his motor skills.

GRIBBEN: He still got his sense of humor and he still has his personality, but he has got to be so frustrated that he knows what he wants to say and he knows what he wants to do, and he just can't do it. It's very hard to watch!

GANIM: A source tells CNN the Department of Justice and the EPA are now investigating. Terminex responding saying, "We are saddened to letter earn of this and our hearts are with the family. We are carefully reviewing the matter."

Peyton isn't the first to fall ill this year after a botched Terminex fumigation. In March, a family of four vacationing on St. John in the U.S. Virgin Islands fell gravely ill when Terminix sprayed methyl bromide in a villa adjacent to theirs. Methyl bromide isn't approved for use indoors in the United States.

And six months later as that family continues to struggle to recover, the DOJ also continues to investigating what led to their poisoning. The EPA has said they found other instances where there was improper application of pesticides.

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GANIM: Now, Sunland Pest Control did not respond to our calls for comment. The family of little Peyton has set up a Go Fund Me page to help raise money for his parents so they can take time off of work to be with him while he recovers -- Victor and Christi.

BLACKWELL: Your heart breaks for that dad. He says he knows what he has to do, but he just can't do it.

All right. Sara, thank you so much.

PAUL: An alleged teenage home intruder shot debt by an 11-year-old boy. Different stories this morning, though. One neighbor claiming that teenager never entered the house. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PAUL: Well, in St. Louis, a 16-year-old is dead, shot by another little boy which is just 11 years old. The teenager, the 16-year-old, I should say, allegedly tried to break into the house while that boy was home alone with his younger sister.

As our Stephanie Elam found out, though, exactly what happened is not so clear cut.

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STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): An 11-year-old boy and his 4-year-old sister were in this St. Louis County house on Thursday afternoon alone. Before their mother returned home, there was a dead body on the porch.

Not one of the children inside, but an alleged hope intruder with a single gunshot wound to the head. Police say he was just a child himself, age 16, who along with another person that tried to enter that house two times earlier that day.

SGT. BRIAN SCHELLMAN, ST. LOUIS COUNTY POLICE: The 16-year-old does on the third time around 2:20 this afternoon make an entry to the home, and is shot by an 11-year-old male who resides there.

ELAM: Yes, shot by the 11-year-old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The boy jumped up, went towards her, laid down, and he land in his doorway.

ELAM: But a neighbor tells CNN affiliate KMOV, the boy never tried to enter the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was always sitting right there in the porch. He never did once go inside the hour. They were just loud, you know, back and forth.

ELAM: Another neighbor told "The St. Louis Post-Dispatch", the teen, quote, "wasn't braking in at all. He was just trying to sell him his phone." Adding that she had seen the 11-year-old in front of the house earlier that day, quote, "waving the gun around", according the paper.

Police tell CNN, quote, "Physical evidence obtained at scene indicates the deceased was shot while inside the residence." They're investigating the incident and say the shooter's mother is cooperating. Officers say she had purchased the gun for protection after previous robbery attempts.

SCHELLMAN: The access to guns for children, which is exactly what they are, whether you're 11, you're 2, you're 3, is scary and it's something that should be a concern for not only the police but for every citizen out there.

ELAM (on camera): Police believe the 16-year-old had an accomplice who fled the scene when the shot was fired, a 22-year-old person was taken into the custody in the neighborhood that same day on suspension of burglary.

Stephen Elam, CNN.

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BLACKWELL: All right. Stephanie, thanks.

Now, to what we're monitoring this morning, the thousands of refugees. And you've seen the flight over the last couple of weeks. They're now arriving in Austria, on their way, most of them, to Germany where they hope to get asylum. We've got a update from the Hungary, Austria at the top of the hour.

Stay with us for that.

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[07:58:54] PAUL: Well, Tim Tebow will find out today if he made the Philadelphia Eagles, polarizing quarterback obviously. He has been out of the league for a couple of years.

Coy has been watching this story.

BLACKWELL: Yes, a nine year NFL veteran -- you look at Tim Tebow, what are his chances?

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS: I think his chances are pretty good. When the news that Matt Barkley, his main competition for that third string quarterback job was traded away to the Arizona Cardinals, Twitter and Facebook erupted. It looks like Tebow will be flying high with the Eagles this year.

Now, we wanted to spin the story forward here at NEW DAY, and we got you involved. We asked you how big of an impact will Tim Tebow have this season. It starts off pretty optimistic.

"Tim is a winner", says Sarang, "and brings people together. His effect in the locker room alone will be huge."

Stuart said, "I think Tebow could be a useful addition as a back in short yardage situations."

Art said, "He'll be the number 2 quarterback within two weeks of the season."

And then it got a little rough. Dr. Bill said little to none. Tom said he'll be cut at midseason. (INAUDIBLE) says, "None whatever, awful QB." And David said, "I have a friend who's threatening to gift me a Tebow jersey. Does punching him count as an impact?"

PAUL: Oh my goodness!

WIRE: As you can see, you mentioned it, Christi, he is such a polarizing character in the sports world. PAUL: Yes.

WIRE: I think the NFL is a better place when Tim Tebow is in it. We'll see how it plays out.