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Trump Finally Admits Obama Born In U.S.; Trump: Disarm Clinton Guards, "See What Happens To Her"; Victim's 911 Call Leads To Discovery of Two Bodies; Trump Trying to Put Birther Controversy Behind Him; First Lady Solo on Campaign Trail; Kaepernick Protest Echoed on High School Football Fields; University of North Carolina and Sexual Assault Cases; 3D Printers Used to Create Drones. Aired 6- 7a ET
Aired September 17, 2016 - 06:00 ET
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[06:00:03] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think that her bodyguards should drop all weapons. Let's see what happens there.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He has led the birther movement to delegitimize our first black president.
TRUMP: Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's lied and he's divided this country enough.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That does not give anybody the right to violate me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nearly 1 in 4 female students will experience some form of unwanted sexual contact.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When it comes to an athlete, it's kind of like people don't talk about it. I chose this school because I thought honestly we were better than this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The woman on the phone keeps her voice quiet as her alleged captor sleeps next to her.
DISPATCHER: Is there any way to get out of the building?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: I don't know without waking him. I'm scared.
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CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Take a nice deep breath as you've made to the weekend. We're so grateful to have you with us, I'm Christi Paul.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to be with you on this NEW DAY. Donald Trump starting another controversy on the campaign trail. This morning waking up to some criticism. The Republican nominee went off script at a rally in Miami
telling the crowd that Hillary Clinton wants to take away the second amendment rights, she doesn't and he wondered aloud what would happen to Clinton if her Secret Service detail was disarmed.
PAUL: That comment comes as Trump tries to pivot away from his birther claims. The claims that birth thrust him into political spotlight, we should point out. He said yesterday, that he has finished it now. But he's still isn't apologizing for his five years of publicly questioning whether President Obama was born in the U.S.
BLACKWELL: And this morning, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates is wading into the 2016 campaign raising some pretty harsh questions about both candidates. He wrote this in a "Wall Street Journal" op-ed saying Clinton has no new ideas for the dealing with the Middle East, but he also claims that Trump is beyond repair and uninformed.
PAUL: And some continues to falsely blame Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, for starting the birtherism. Here's CNN's senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta.
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JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump once the leader of this nation's birther movement finally came out and said he accepted the truth, President Obama was born in the U.S., but in doing so he told more whoppers.
TRUMP: Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it. I finished it, you know what I mean. President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period.
ACOSTA: Trump's claim that Hillary Clinton is responsible for one of the nation's worst political smears is false. Same goes for a statement that he ended the birther controversy. That's not remotely true, as Trump was considering a run for president five years ago, he brought it up.
TRUMP: Why doesn't he show his birth certificate?
ACOSTA: Time and again.
TRUMP (via telephone): I've been told very recently, Anderson, that the birth certificate is missing.
ACOSTA: Even after President Obama released his birth certificate to the country in 2011.
TRUMP (via telephone): A lot of people did not think it was an authentic certificate.
ACOSTA: No surprise when asked for his reaction to the news that Trump was acknowledging reality, the president was not impressed.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I was pretty confident about where I was born. I think most people were as well. ACOSTA: As for Clinton, she slammed Trump's attempts to blame her as a disgrace saying in a series of tweets Trump has spent year pedaling a racist conspiracy aimed at undermining the first African-American president. He can't just take it back.
CLINTON: Barack Obama was born in the America plain and simple, and Donald Trump owes him and the American people an apology.
ACOSTA: Trump's birther reversal comes as he's trying to reach out to African-American voters, a key voting bloc that overwhelmingly supports Clinton. It was a surreal scene. Trump spent more time promoting his glitzy new D.C. hotel where he staged the event and listened to military leaders supporting his campaign including one retired general who has also questioned Mr. Obama's citizenship, Thomas McInerney.
LT. GENERAL THOMAS MCINERNEY, U.S. AIR FORCE (RETIRED): Thank you, Don. It's very simple, we are all warriors here.
ACOSTA: And Trump never addressed the question why he's changing his mind now, ducking out as reporters were shouting for answers.
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ACOSTA: Now we should point out a former Clinton campaign manager for the 2008 campaign acknowledges that a former volunteer for the campaign, during that election cycle, was spreading false rumors about President Obama's background, but that that staffer was fired.
[06:05:07]In the meantime, we should also point out that fact-checking organizations including CNN, have all determined that Hillary Clinton was never responsible for spreading rumors about President Obama's background. That has been rated false.
BLACKWELL: All right, Jim Acosta, thank you for that. Of course, we're going to have a deeper conversation throughout the morning about both the birther claim and what we heard from Donald Trump yesterday, and this new statement about disarming Hillary Clinton's Secret Service detail. So, stay with us all morning for that.
On another front, America takes out another key ISIS leader. We'll show you the cutting edge technology that special ops are using on the battlefield to gain every advantage possible.
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DISPATCHER: Is there any way you get out of the building?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: I don't know without waking him, and I'm scared.
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PAUL: This is the most chilling 911 call I think I have heard. We'll play for from that, from this woman, as police race to save her from an alleged kidnapper who is sleeping right next to her.
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BLACKWELL: We've got a lot of political headlines to talk about this morning. Joining me now to talk about it Trump supporter former lieutenant governor of New York, Betsy McCaughey. Lieutenant Governor, good to have you this morning.
BETSY MCCAUGHEY, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Glad to join you.
BLACKWELL: So, the latest controversy came from Donald Trump last night speaking about Hillary Clinton, the second amendment and her Secret Service detail. But, first, listen to what he said, and then we'll talk about it.
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TRUMP: I think that her bodyguards should drop all weapons. They should disarm. Right?
[06:10:09]I think they should disarm, immediately, what do you think? Yes? Yes. Yes. Take their guns away. She doesn't want guns. Let see what happens to her.
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BLACKWELL: Then he goes on to say it will be very dangerous, take the guns away, and let's see what happens to her. The Clinton campaign saying that this is a reference to potential violence against the candidate. How do you receive what Donald Trump just said?
MCCAUGHEY: Well, I think he's making a very good point and that is, Hillary Clinton has made herself an enemy of the second amendment. She's put a big bull's-eye on the second amendment. She's made it very clear that she wants to take people's gun rights away and so it's very good for Donald --
BLACKWELL: Hillary Clinton has not said or intended to that she wants to, as Donald Trump take away the second amendment rights.
MCCAUGHEY: Excuse me, you are incorrect.
BLACKWELL: OK, explain how I'm incorrect, and I'll explain the facts.
MCCAUGHEY: She has proposed legislation that will whittle away at people's second amendment rights so it's a mere words on paper. When you restrict second amendment rights so much that they're meaningless especially in places like inner cities where people have no alternatives but to protect themselves from the criminals who always get guns no matter what the law says.
BLACKWELL: OK. Let's take this in two different steps here. First, you said in inner cities people should, I'm paraphrasing, correct me if I'm wrong, we can do this in realtime, that the only way they can protect themselves is with these guns you're discussing.
MCCAUGHEY: That's true because the criminals always get the guns no matter what the laws. BLACKWELL: And many of these major cities, Washington, D.C., Chicago, these are already cities in which there are no guns allowed to be sold because then gun-free zones as it relates to sales specifically. So that law, as it's implemented locally is already in place. As Donald Trump has said --
MCCAUGHEY: Let me point out that for example in Chicago which also has very strict gun rules. The fact is that violence in Chicago is notorious, gun violence, the number of homicides, it's gone way up, 30 percent this year, Cincinnati, Los Angeles --
BLACKWELL: I hear you but --
MCCAUGHEY: Many of these cities have very strict gun regulations, gun regulations, despite what Mrs. Clinton says is not the answer.
BLACKWELL: But you're arguing two sides of the same coin. Before and at the beginning of this interview, you said that this is the only way people can protect themselves. And now, you've said that these are gun-free zones and it's not stopping anything.
MCCAUGHEY: Well, that's right. Obviously people are unable to protect themselves. The criminals are getting the guns and shooting wildly in those cities.
BLACKWELL: All right, let's get back to Donald Trump and the claim that Hillary Clinton is trying to do away with of the second amendment or get rid of people's second amendment rights. Hillary Clinton has suggest not allowing people who are on the no-fly zone to buy weapons, gun controls, but not to get rid of the second amendment.
MCCAUGHEY: Of course, she hasn't specifically said get rid of the second amendment, but as I pointed out a moment earlier, when you so whittle away the second amendment by imposing restriction that's make it virtually impossible to have a gun with you, that is for all intents and purposes getting rid of the second amendment.
BLACKWELL: OK. Now let's talk about what Donald Trump said yesterday. Why is he referencing this disarming of Secret Service agents, and then questioning, as you he said, let's see what happens to her? Why is he saying that? Why make that reference?
MCCAUGHEY: He's pointing out Mrs. Clinton's well-known hypocrisy. What's good for her is not good for the rest of us. She wants the rest of America not to be protected by having their own guns, but she wants to make sure she is well protected. It's a matter of hypocrisy.
BLACKWELL: Well, you know, of course, that every presidential candidate within 120 days of the election, with some criteria get Secret Service protection.
MCCAUGHEY: You're quite right.
BLACKWELL: And that's been tradition. And the reason that it happened because in 1968, RFK, Robert F. Kennedy was shot and killed, and that's why they have it. MCCAUGHEY: Well, and certainly, no one would ever want that that to happen to any candidate, but remember that Mrs. Clinton has had bodyguards and protection for most of her recent adult life. Because as a former first lady and secretary of state, she's quite accustomed to being protected by armed bodyguards, but the rest of us are not.
And I feel for the families especially in places like Chicago, Cincinnati and Los Angeles, where gun violence is so high now. Homicides have soared by double digits.
And the very people who need a gun to protect themselves, they go to work early in the morning. They work in a small convenience store. They have some other kind of dangerous place to work, and they can't carry a gun.
[06:15:05]BLACKWELL: That's a fair point, but let's talk about, you brought up the term "hypocrisy." Let's examine hypocrisy, Donald Trump said that Hillary Clinton's Secret Service should be disarmed because of the rest of the country doesn't have that protection.
Donald Trump back in May it was, when he first alluded to the disarming of Secret Service said this in front of the NRA as he accepted their endorsement.
He was saying that in front of a crowd that had been required to leave their guns outside of that room. If Donald Trump is so supportive of gun rights and the right to carry, then should he then allow people to bring guns to his events because the Secret Service doesn't allow that?
MCCAUGHEY: I'm not familiar with the rules for that particular event.
BLACKWELL: If every event, the Secret Service does not allow people to bring guns into these closed places --
MCCAUGHEY: Well, if that's a Secret Service rule, it's probably a good rule.
BLACKWELL: Which is also the reason that they carry guns at Clinton's events and his.
MCCAUGHEY: At real issue here, and I'm glad he's raising it, is that one of the presidential candidates Donald Trump is raising the importance of protecting the second amendment. As you know, President Obama mocked Americans for clinging to their religion and their guns. Both of those rights are definitely under attack. And I'm glad that Donald Trump is standing up for our second amendment rights.
BLACKWELL: We have just a couple minutes left. And I want to turn to the controversy of midday Friday, which was birtherism. And Donald Trump in 32 words saying that essentially President Obama was born in the United States, period. Finishing that. I wonder, did the campaign or does the campaign believe that this 32-word treatment of a five-year lie is enough that it ends it?
MCCAUGHEY: It's probably overdoing it because the real birther issue --
BLACKWELL: You mean that the 32 words was too much?
MCCAUGHEY: Yes. The real birther issue in this country is that under Barack Obama, business startups have failed. Fewer businesses have been born than have died. The business failure rate for --
BLACKWELL: How is that a birthism issue?
MCCAUGHEY: Because an economy should be able to give birth to new businesses all the time.
BLACKWELL: I understand the term that you're using. We're not going to shift away from the topic --
MCCAUGHEY: Well, I want to shift to this extent. Let me just point out the voters don't care about the birther issue.
BLACKWELL: Lieutenant Governor --
MCCAUGHEY: Voters say the economy is the number one issue.
BLACKWELL: I hear what you're saying, but Donald Trump has for years pushed this lie saying that President Obama was not born in the United States. Then he comes out and in 32 words blames it on Hillary Clinton and then says the president is born here. He finished it, which he didn't finish it. Is the 32 words is that enough?
MCCAUGHEY: Yes, it is enough. And let me say this, the voters want you to talk it about the economy. That's their number one concern. But the media elite are drowning Americans in one story after another about birthism, because they don't want the American public to hear about Donald Trump economic plan to promote real growth in this country.
And Hillary Clinton's economic plan which will drive us into a recession and lower wages. That contrast is so clear. Tax cuts and growth from Donald Trump. Tax hikes and pay cuts from Hillary Clinton.
BLACKWELL: We've got an economist coming up later this morning, we'll talk about those economic plans including the child care proposals. But I will point out that Donald Trump is the one who incessantly talked about the president potentially being born outside of the U.S. and in 32 words attempted to clean up five years --
MCCAUGHEY: Even Barack Obama said enough with the birther issue. That's what he said yesterday, enough with this issue.
BLACKWELL: Lieutenant Governor Betsy McCaughey, thanks so much.
MCCAUGHEY: Thank you.
BLACKWELL: All right, and get ready for the first big debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, Monday, September 26th. Coverage right here on CNN -- Christi. PAUL: I want you to think if there's any possibility of putting yourself in the place of this woman. Let's listen to this 911 call.
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DISPATCHER: Is there any way you can get out of the building?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: I don't know without waking him and I'm scared.
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PAUL: She's whispering for help to that operator as her alleged abductor is laying asleep beside her. We are going to this whole thing play out. Stay with us.
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PAUL: I don't think I've ever heard a 911 call like this. You hear this, you think what on earth. There's this kidnapped woman in Ohio who was rescued by police after making this desperate call to 911. She called authorities as her alleged abductor was sleeping right next to her.
BLACKWELL: Yes, police would later find the remains of three other women. CNN's Jean Casarez has the 911 audio.
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DISPATCHER: 911 what is the address of your emergency?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Right across from the 4th Street Laundromat.
DISPATCHER: What's the problem?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I've been abducted.
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A chilling 911 call of a woman whispering with fear in her voice.
DISPATCHER: Who abducted you?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Shawn Grate.
CASAREZ: She made the call as she was held in an abandoned home in Ashland, Ohio.
DISPATCHER: Where he's at now?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Asleep.
DISPATCHER: Where's he's sleeping at?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: In the bedroom.
CASAREZ: The woman on the phone keeps her voice quiet as her alleged captor sleeps next to her.
DISPATCHER: Does he have a weapon?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: He's got a taser.
DISPATCHER: Are you injured?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: A little.
CASAREZ: Being held since Sunday the woman told police she was forced to commit sexual acts by her captor.
DISPATCHER: Is there any way you can get out of the building?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I don't know without waking him and I'm scared.
CASAREZ: The woman is afraid to move.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: His bedroom is closed, he made it so it would make noise.
DISPATCHER: He tell you if you had to go to the bathroom, he would he do something to you?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Yes. Because he has me tide up.
DISPATCHER: Are you tied up now?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Well, I am, I kind of freed myself.
CASAREZ: The 911 dispatcher keeps the woman on the phone while police make their way to the abandoned home.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Are you on the way?
DISPATCHER: Yes, we have officers we're sending.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Please send them up -- oh, I woke him up.
DISPATCHER: OK, just set the phone down.
CASAREZ: Three minutes of silence passed and the dispatcher checks if the woman is still there.
DISPATCHER: Are you still there?
CASAREZ: Another minute passes?
DISPATCHER: Are you still there?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: How much longer?
[06:25:01]CASAREZ: She finally responds trembling.
DISPATCHER: Do you hear any officers outside? OK, they're in the area. UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: They can come in the side door.
DISPATCHER: Can you get out of the bedroom?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I can't the door doesn't have a knob.
DISPATCHER: Can you hear anybody right now?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I heard the side door open.
CASAREZ: After 20 tense minutes.
POLICE: Come out, come out, hurry up, hurry up. Where is he?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Sleeping.
POLICE: Still sleeping?
DISPATCHER: OK, they have her.
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CASAREZ: Shawn Grate has been charged at this point with two counts of murder, and one count of kidnapping. There will be another hearing on Monday, more on the complaint. There will also be a competency hearing to see if he is of sound mind to be able to assist his attorney in understanding the charges -- Christi, Victor.
PAUL: All I can think is she didn't even know there were bodies there. Can you imagine what this woman is going through today realizing, I would have been dead.
BLACKWELL: It took 20 minutes to find her. Miraculously, they did. Can you imagine, 20 minutes they're there on the phone and he's that close to you?
Let's turn to the race for the White House and a reluctant campaigner to one of the most popular stars of the Democratic Party. The first lady goes solo to stump for Hillary Clinton.
PAUL: Also a lot of parents guilty share photos of our kids on social media, guess what, there is a teen suing her parents for what they posted. Could whatever happens in this case affect the rest of us? We'll talk about it.
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PAUL,: 6:30, that's early for a Saturday morning. We're glad for it. I'm Christi Paul.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell, so good to be with you. Donald Trump trying to put the birther controversy behind him but he may have stumbled into another one.
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PAUL: Last night at a rally in Florida, he argued that he's a staunch defender of the second amendment and that Hillary Clinton wants to take away the right to bear arms. Wandering aloud to his supporters about Clinton's security detail. List to this.
DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think that her bodyguards should drop all weapons. They should disarm. Right? Right?
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TRUMP: I think they should disarm. Immediately. What do you think? Yes? Yes.
[APPLAUSE]
TRUMP: Yes. Take their guns away. She doesn't want guns. Take their -- let's see what happens to her.
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BLACKWELL: Hmm. Well, First Lady Michelle Obama, officially on the campaign trail going to bat for Hillary Clinton solo. The First Lady wooed voters in the battleground state of Virginia.
PAUL: And, she blasted Donald Trump without even mentioning him by name painting him as erratic and threating. Our Michelle Kosinski has more on Mrs. Obama's case for a Clinton presidency.
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MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is a first in this campaign season. Michelle Obama solo on the trail.
MICHELLE OBAMA, FIRST LADY OF UNITED STATES: This time is really bittersweet for me. It's a time of real transition for me and Barack and our girls. My husband is going to need a new job.
KOSINSKI: Her message in the battleground state of Virginia, recapping her husband's accomplishments, Hillary Clinton qualifications, and, repeatedly slamming Donald Trump.
OBAMA: If a candidate is erratic and threatening, if a candidate traffics imprejudice fears and lies on the trail, let me tell you, that is who they are.
KOSINSKI: But, the First Lady has long been a reluctant campaigner. Even when her husband was running. She quickly learned every word draws scrutiny.
OBAMA: For the first time in my adult lifetime I'm really proud of my country.
KOSINSKI: Makes headlines, even cartoons. But today, the confident first spouse seems more than willing to be herself.
OBAMA: Turn up for what?
KOSINSKI: Dancing on Ellen, poking fun at herself.
OBAMA: You are the president and I am your --
KOSINSKI: Speaking her mind.
OBAMA: I want to go to target again.
KOSINSKI: It's worked. Her approval rating over 60%. By far, the most popular person in her party, beating out both candidates, her husband and Bill Clinton. She electrified the convention in July.
OBAMA: I wake up every morning in a house that was built by slaves.
KOSINSKI: History has proven first ladies can make a big difference. 1964, Lady Bird Johnson took a train through the south where the civil rights movement was deeply unpopular campaigning hard. Johnson won.
In 2004, Laura Bush was seen as George W.'s secret weapon, humanizing him and making a personal case for protecting America.
Michelle Obama could inject the energy and enthusiasm needed for Hillary Clinton. So why hasn't she been out there far more?
ANITA MCBRIDE< FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF TO LAURA BUSH: Certainly, they would want her to do it a lot more. But she's got to do what comes natural to her, and where she feels authentic.
KOSINSKI: Yes, we can expect to see more of Michelle Obama out on the trail as well as the president. You know, his schedule hasn't really allowed him to get out on the trail in earnest. But now we're hearing more from White House sources who tell us next month expect him to be out on the trail one to two days a week. And he's going to focus on the states where his help is needed the most.
Critical places like North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, possibly Iowa, and New Hampshire. And, we can expect him to make a strong case that democrats can't take it for granted that Hillary Clinton is going to win. That they actually have to get out there and cast that vote. Victor and Christi.
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BLACKWELL: All right, Michelle, thanks so much. We'll get back to politics a little later.
But now, let's turn to the University of North Carolina which says it takes sexual assault allegations seriously. But one student is fighting back, saying the school and police failed her.
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PAUL: We're breaking down the university's response and the potential fallout. Also, an 18-year-old suing her parents for posting photos of her as a
child on Facebook. She said they did so without their consent. Judge Glenda Hatchet is weighing in on how a court ruling could affect the rest of us.
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BLACKWELL: Well, a host of high school football players have been now joining the San Francisco 49ers Colin Kaepernick by kneeling during the national anthem before their own games.
PAUL: Now for others, The NFL quarterback is a hometown hero turned pariah.
CNN's Sara Sidner, travelled to Kaepernick's hometown of Turlock, California and gets this reaction.
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SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Political football has a whole new meaning. What began in the NFL with the 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick is now showing up under the glare of Friday night lights. From the land of Lincoln, across the country to the golden state. Where an entire high school football team protested racial injustices.
CHEKO WELLS, SF MISSON H.S. FOOTBALL PLAYER: If we do things by the consequences that happened after the game, I wouldn't get boos and negative energy and stuff like that. But it's like, it really doesn't matter. If it's right, it's right.
SIDNER: While the protest is catching on in some high schools across the country that is not what happened at Colin Kaepernick's old high school.
During his all (inaudible) game, the national anthem played, hands were over hearts and every player stood stick straight. But their hometown football standout protests has sparked controversy and conversation in Turlock, California.
JOSHUA SMITH, TURLOCK RESIDENT: I think it was really disrespectful. And I think he's an idiot.
SIDNER: At Main Street Footers, the once popular Kaepernick dog has been stricken from the menu. Glen Newsum says it was a business decision that most of his customers agreed with.
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GLEN NEWSUM, MAINSTREET FOOTERS: On of the nice things about our country is you get to make choices. But we didn't want it to become a political football and we could already see that it was going to develop that way. SIDNER: But down the street at Jurer's Pizza Parlor, Kaepernick's
jersey is proudly displayed.
Your own brother was telling you, all right, let's take it down, it's not good for business.
PAPIOLA AGHASSI, BUSINESS OWNER: We wanted to satisfy our customers.
And you yourself took a stand. Why do that?
AGHASSI: Here within Turlock, loyalty is a lot. The community is very loyal so we're going to stay loyal to again our hometown boy as his career continues.
SIDNER: Papiola Aghassi says she is supporting their hometown guy, not the way he has decided to protest.
Have you had customers that have decided, I can't be in here.?
AGHASSI: Yes.
SIDNER: Is his protest creating friction in this town?
AGHASSI: Yes, yes. There are locals that support him. And there are locals that don't support him.
SIDNER: Like navy veteran Veronica Mora. She hasn't abandoned her hometown pizza parlor, but she can't stomach Kaepernick's kind of protests. What were your emotions the first time you saw this happen?
VERONICA MORA, NAVY VETERAN: I was very disgusted and disappointed. It hurt. It hurt. You know, like I said, I believe in the flag, I believe in the United States of America.
SIDNER: Ultimately, the hardworking, growing town of Turnlock, California is a micro cause in the rest of America. Kaepernick's protests making some people comfortable and others proud.
FRANKIE TOVAR, TURLOCK JOURNAL: It's generated discussion and I think that's what he wanted. So, I mean, in that essence, I think he's kind of got what he was going for.
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PAUL: Alrighty. Thank you so much. Sara Sidner there for us.
Now, the University of North Carolina, we are hearing from them officially this morning, they say they've taken sexual assault allegations very seriously there on campus.
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PAUL: One student, however, contends the school and police failed her. Judge Glenda Hatchett talking about that with us next
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PAUL: Well, the University of North Carolina, we are hearing from them that -- now as they're facing tough new scrutiny over how it handles sexual assault cases.
University leaders trying to reassure students today, and parents, that they take every allegation seriously. The Chancellor of UNC said this in a statement.
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PAUL: "As chancellor, nothing matters to me more than our safety and well-being of our campus community and how our University responds to these issues and your concerns." Later saying "We are committed to ensuring every step of our policy and procedures is correctly followed. Sometimes, to get it right that takes longer than anticipated. But in the event, a respectful reliable and equitable investigation must be the result."
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PAUL: Now, Delaney Robinson, says UNC and the local police failed her however. She's a student, she says they did not thoroughly investigate her reported rape back in February. In fact here's what she told CNN about her interaction with police after she reported the incident.
DELANEY ROBINSON, ALLEGED SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIM: I was treated like a suspect. I was asked what were you wearing, what were you drinking? How much were you drinking? Do you often have one-night stands? Did you even say no? How many men have you slept with? What's your sexual history, questions along those lines.
PAUL: Let's bring in Judge Glenda Hatchett. Judge Hatchett, good to see you. Thank you for being here.
JUDGE GLENDA HATCHETT, THE HATCHETT FIRM: Thank you.
PAUL: So when you hear -- Glenda, when you hear the questions she was asked, are those fair questions?
HATCHETT: It just seems to me that they're overbearing. It seems that they are the fact that she may have had sexual relationships, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. What matters is this particular incident, that particular evening, where she alleged that she was raped. And to ask her about her sexual history, and what she was wearing is really inappropriate. Christi, it is, and it should not have not have happened to her. It should not have happened.
PAUL: Part of the chancellor's statement says this, "the comprehensive changes that we've made in 2014 included more clearly defining consent, streamlining and better publicizing reporting options, adding confidential resources, changing the adjudication procedures. We added resources to provide compassionate care and accommodations for those who need support with their day to day logistics, academics or work."
So, when you hear these (EDICS) that are coming from the University now, do they line up, in your opinion, with how Delaney says she was treated?
HATCHETT: Well, they don't. They don't. I mean what she is saying, Christi, is that this has gone on since February. That she complied with every step according to her. She did have a rape kit done at a hospital. Her attorney said there was evidence of blunt force trauma in the situation. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HATCHETT: She has complied with all the requirements of the University, according to her under section Title 9. And actually, as I understand it, the local prosecutor has said that there was not enough evidence to go forward, and therefore she did file misdemeanor charges.
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HATCHETT: But in the situation, it is sad she has to come forward to be publicly identified for the chancellor to come out with the statement that she came out with yesterday. But having said that, I think that was an appropriate step in the right direction. But, these are serious matters, but let me just stress, these are allegations. And they need to be taken seriously. And they need to be investigated. That is not to say conclusively that she was raped.
One thing that bothers me a lot about this case, Christi, is that someone said to her that a blackout drunk situation is not rape. And she has admitted that she was under age and drinking. But that, of course, does not give someone the license to sexually assault someone. And that's a very important thing.
PAUL: Being drunk does not give, someone the license to commit a crime against them essentially?
HATCHETT: No, it does not.
PAUL: I want to get to something else here if I could Judge Hatchett quickly. Title 9 allows victims to hear the recorded conversations between investigators and the suspect. Here's what Delaney said she had heard.
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ROBINSON: My rapist was asked if he had received my phone number that night. He said no, but he managed to get other girls' phone numbers, and the DPS investigator replied. Rock on. That was infuriating to hear. That was the night that he raped me that they were talking about, so that was just really disgusting.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rock on. And he said something about being a football player, didn't he? According to you?
ROBINSON: Yes, he said, don't sweat it, keep on living your life, and keep on playing football.
PAUL: Surely, that recording will go confirm what truly was said. But if it's true, if she heard everything right, what is your reaction to how this was handled behind the scenes there?
HATCHETT: Absolutely disgusted.
PAUL: And any liability with the University?
HATCHETT: Absolutely. If there -- if there is an official at the University and it is proven that what she said is exactly what happened and she listened to that tape and that's an accurate account, there is certainly the liability, I think, is open, for the University to be liable in that situation. And to say "rock on" and to basically say, you get a pass in so many words, go and live your life, because you're an athlete, it's just absolutely outrageous. It is. If that's true.
PAUL: Okay. We're going to be talking about this more in a little bit. But I want to get to one other quick topic here.
HATCHETT: Sure, absolutely.
PAUL: This Facebook situation.
HATCHETT: Yes, yes.
PAUL: I think a lot of parents are going to be interested in this. According to an Austrian newspaper there's an 18-year-old woman suing her parents for posting pictures of her on Facebook. She said the photos were embarrassing. They were posted without permission. These were pictures of when she was a baby, we should point out.
But, there's no precedent for anything like this. What is the potential here that what happened there could affect so many other people?
HATCHETT: Yes, I couldn't find anything like this in this country. Let me just say two this quickly. I know we're in a time crunch. Christi, first of all, she's 18 now. And so, she, I would hope, I would just hope, that a parent and a child, or an adult child could sit down and say look, you know these are embarrassing, take them down.
Legally, there is no such action under defamation. There may have been action in this country under your expectation, or your right to privacy. Not your expectation. But your right to privacy. But, you know what, those pictures were taken when she was an infant. She was a minor. The parents I would say, would argue that they had the right to do that because they took the picture, they own the pictures.
PAUL: They did argue that, that was the argument yes.
HATCHETT: Yes, and so, I think that, you know, this is the kind of stuff that really clogs the court systems and really ought to be worked out among family members. But if that case hits the country, I would think that there is a right to privacy and perhaps someone could prevail on these kind of cases.
PAUL: All right. So, we need to be careful about what we post then just to be on the safe side. Judge Glenda Hatchett.
HATCHETT: Absolutely.
PAUL: Always good to see you, thank you ma'am.
HATCHETT: Always wonderful, thank you.
BLACKWELL: But, if you think that the court system is gummed up now, if people are allowed to sue their parents for posting embarrassing pictures?
PAUL: And let me say something, the girl said, there's pat of this, she said I'm tired of not being taken seriously by my parents. So that would indicate, I think, that there are other issues perhaps percolating under the surface.
BLACKWELL: Sounds like it.
PAUL: Because, there has to be a real rift in the family if you're going to take your parents to court.
BLACKWELL: It sounds like something that every 18-year-old has said to their parents. My grandmother had a picture of me in green underwear at 8 months on a coffee table, until I was 19.
PAUL: And we're going to get that for you next week.
BLACKWELL: No, we won't.
All right moving on, we're getting the rush from our producers.
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BLACKWELL: New cutting edge technology now giving the U.S. military help on the war on ISIS. We'll take you to a military lab for a firsthand look. You're going to like this.
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BLACKWELL: The Air force has grounded ten F-35 fighter jets.
PAUL: And the thing is this is coming just over a month after they were declared combat ready.
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PAUL: In a statement the Air Force said crumbling insulation was found in cooling lines inside the jet's fuel tanks. The problem will affect 57 of the fighters in all, most of them are still on the assembly line, so they can be fixed there.
BLACKWELL: Now, the F-35 program has been called the most expensive weapons system in history with the price tag of $400 billion.
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PAUL: And not all weapons systems are as advanced and complicated as the F-35 though.
BLACKWELL: Yes, as U.S. Special Operations Forces have found sometimes a simple gadget will work. Really simple. Here's CNN's Barbara Starr.
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Christi, Victor, as the pace of the fight against ISIS picks up, U.S. Special Operation Forces are looking for every advantage they can.
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STARR: More special operations forces may head to Iraq and Syria to advise local forces in upcoming battles to retake Mosul and Raqqah, CNN has learned. As troops move closer to the front line dangers, they need every advantage.
To get that advantage, students, professors and military personnel are working in this very nontraditional, military lab on cutting-edge gadgets that could mean the difference between life and death.
JAMES CEURTS: U.S. SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND: We found, I thing called a "go tenna" which is an antenna you can clip your cell phone and turn it into a radio. So, if you lose a cell tower you can still communicate.
STARR: At this converted tattoo parlor, of all places in Tampa, the special operations command is running an innvocations project that seems more like a startup tech company than part of the U.S. Military.
CEURTS: What we wanted to create is an inviting place. Somewhere you'd want to come to work where if you're a 19-year-old and you've got a great idea, you're happy to come here.
STARR: It's not just winning the fight but surviving it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: : This is actually a pellet that expands 25 times up its size when it reaches fluids. So, what you do is inject this into a wound, all of these pellets will expand, rapidly clot the wound and quickly shut off the bleeding. So, previously, they would have been packing pieces of gauze into that wound in order to try to stop the blood flow.
CEURTS: So a lot of what we also do here is rapidly prototype things. Talk to operators. Get the ideas flowing in and try to get it from cocktail napkin to here's an actual thing we're thinking about.
STARR: 3D printed drones also promise for Iraq and Syria. Imagine getting the part you need by printing it right on the battlefield.
CEURTS: And then, if something breaks, they can repair it themselves and not have to keep coming back to us for parts.
