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Signs of Normalcy Return as More Than 100 million Fully Vaccinated Against Coronavirus; India Records More Than 400,000 COVID- 19 Cases in a Single Day as Crisis Grows; Trump Allies Worry Giuliani Raid Sent a "Strong Message" to Ex-President Trump's Inner Circle; Kendrick Carmouche Looking to Make History At Kentucky Derby; Buccaneers Draft Tom Brady's Heir Apparent. Aired 6-7a ET

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BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: And welcome to your NEW DAY. I'm Boris Sanchez.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Christi Paul. Boris, good to see you.

SANCHEZ: Good to see you, Christi.

PAUL: Let's talk about 100 million Americans vaccinated. Signs of normalcy feel like they're slowly returning across the country, don't they?

SANCHEZ: Yes. The situation in India, though, is growing more desperate as thousands of people are dying daily and vaccines and other resources are scarce. Now the Biden administration is moving to restrict travel from India.

PAUL: Warning signs? New CNN reporting on the feeling among allies of former President Trump following that raid at Rudy Giuliani's home and office.

SANCHEZ: And, Christi, get that mint julep ready. The Kentucky Derby is back. While we could see history on the track, we'll see something we haven't seen lately, thousands of fans in the stands.

PAUL: It is Saturday, May 1st. It is May. How did that happen, Boris?

SANCHEZ: Time is moving way too quickly. We are grateful that you are with us ...

PAUL: Yes. SANCHEZ: ... and we start today with some positive news. As more and more Americans get vaccinated, health experts are sounding optimistic. Dr. Ashish Jha saying on Friday, quote, "The worst is behind us." And there are reasons to be hopeful. More than 100 million Americans now fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and while cases fall and deaths decline, the country's headed toward a return to normalcy.

PAUL: Disneyland, for instance, in California reopened yesterday. Indoor dining limits are soon going to increase in New York and Delta Airlines, the last U.S. air carrier to keep middle seats blocked, are going to start selling them today. Right now, we know at least 21 states are seeing a decline in cases this past week.

SANCHEZ: Let's start this morning with CNN's Polo Sandoval in New York and, Polo, we're seeing some of the lowest averages in terms of deaths in the United States in nearly a year.

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Boris and Christi, look, just on Thursday alone, we still lost 854 people through the country to the coronavirus, but nonetheless, it is certainly important to also acknowledge that we are taking a really great step when you hear from doctors saying that we are still seeing, with some of the lowest death rates right now, an 80 percent decrease since January. As you'll hear from an expert in just a few moments, confident feeling that some parts of the country are already out of the woods.


SANDOVAL (voice-over): Throughout much of the country, Americans are seeing signs that the light at the end of the tunnel draws near. Just over four months since the first public COVID-19 vaccines went into arms, the U.S. crossed a major milestone Friday with 100 million Americans fully vaccinated. That may be less than a third of the U.S. population, but it's enough for a chance at more post pandemic normalcy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you so much.

SANDOVAL (voice-over): Disneyland is open again this weekend for the first time in over a year at 25 percent capacity and to California residents only. The color-clad crowds are back for this year's Kentucky Derby, though masks are a must, and with a July 1st full reopening on the horizon for New York City, indoor dining there is increasing to 75 percent next Friday.

MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO (D-NY), NEW YORK CITY: Our healthcare team worked to determine what was the date that we could do it the right way. They believe in July 1st, I believe in July 1st. We're on track to get 5 million New Yorkers vaccinated by July 1st. It's the right moment to make this move.

SANDOVAL (voice-over): Across the country, the state of Oregon moving forward with plans to fully open its economy by the end of June, though with the average number of new COVID cases there at their highest point since January, the governor says the state of emergency will stay in place until then. But overall, it seems the worst of the pandemic may be behind us here in the U.S., say Dr. Ashish Jha.

DR. ASHISH JHA, DEAN, BROWN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH: Certainly, we are headed in the right direction. Infections are falling. Vaccinations have to continue. I think we're going to have a really good summer, but we've just got to be a little bit more careful against the big stuff right now.

SANDOVAL (voice-over): The travel industry already bracing for a massive surge in summer travel as vaccinated Americans regain confidence to hit the road. TSA numbers showing a steady increase in recent weeks.

DAN VELEZ, TSA MEDIA SPOKESMAN FOR NEW ENGLAND: We expect passenger volume to rise significantly throughout the summer, Memorial Day being the official kickoff of summer travel season.

SANDOVAL (voice-over): However, vaccine hesitancy remains a challenge. While the average number of COVID-19 deaths are at their lowest in months, the number of daily vaccinations administered dropped to 2.6 million this week.


SANDOVAL: Starting this Tuesday, the United States will be restricting travel by Indian airlines or at least for travelers coming from India here. We do know that the policy will not be applied to U.S. citizens, permanent residents or others who may potentially be exempted here, Boris and Christi. A reminder though.


Like all international travelers, they will still have to have a negative COVID test before actually arriving in the United States and on the issue of India, the administration did announce they will continue to send aid to hard-hit India. Back to you guys.

PAUL: Polo Sandoval, thank you so much.

SANDOVAL: Thank you.

PAUL: Let's talk to emergency medicine physician Dr. Anand Swaminathan. Good morning to you, Dr. Swaminathan. It's so good to have you with us. I want to ask you about what's happening, first of all, in India. That is of utmost importance this morning and I understand you have family and friends there. Do you -- do you know how they're doing?

DR. ANAND SWAMINATHAN, EMERGENCY MEDICINE PHYSICIAN: So far, I've been lucky. My family and friends seem to be doing OK. I have a lot of colleagues, though, that are really immersed in this surge and it's almost beckoning back to where we were in March and April except it seems far worse because of the way their system is set up and the limited supplies they had to begin with and how that's being stretched so thin right now.

PAUL: Do you think that the U.S. and other countries can even help them at this point?

SWAMINATHAN: I do. I think the focus of where we help is important, though. There's been a lot of talks about getting vaccines to India, but you can't really vaccinate out of a surge. It's the same thing that we saw in Michigan when they were surging and why we didn't send more vaccine there. Vaccines take weeks before they're really effective.

The things that we need to be supporting are supplies, simple supplies like oxygen, PPE, simple medications that we know are in desperate need. So, steroids, analgesics, pain medications, anaesthetics. These are the things we can surge and then know-how, how to set up field hospitals very quickly.

There's also we have some information on how to take care of COVID at home. There's no hospital beds. Let's give people the tools to be able to take care of their family, their loved ones in their home as best they can. These are things that we can do. So information and simple supplies is what we need to get to India.

PAUL: So help us understand what you're hearing, first of all, from what's happening in India and talk to us about how that affects the rest of the world. you know, what is the global impact of what's happening there right now?

SWAMINATHAN: What I'm hearing from people is that this surge is unlike anything that anyone's really ever seen. The number of people who are showing up to hospitals and the lack of any kind of a hospital system to be able to take care of those people. India spends a very small percentage of their overall budget on healthcare and there's just not enough space to take care of the people who are showing up.

So, people are just waiting outside, and this is a system that, you know, in the U.S., while our system has its own problems, everybody who shows up to the hospital gets taken care of you. India doesn't have that same system. If you can't pay, there's a good chance you're not going to be able to access healthcare. That's very different than what we have here.

As far as impact, we can't really be safe from this pandemic until everybody is safe. Seeing this spread and really replicate this virus in India means that there's more likelihood of variants showing up, more likelihood of variants that are resistant to our vaccines showing up. It's a problem that, unless we fight this on a global basis, we can never get ahead of it.

PAUL: I want to show you some other pictures that we're getting in this morning from the U.K. This experimental rave that happened overnight and I believe it's happening again tonight. Six-thousand clubbers are there hitting the dance floor for two nights. This is being described as a key test of whether live events can reopen at full capacity because there are plans to do so there in the U.K. by June 21st.

So, let's talk about the scientific data that may come out of this. Do you think it's worth it in the name of science, what you're looking at, these pictures here?

SWAMINATHAN: I don't know that I can really make that determination of whether it's worth it for science. You know, we can't have mass gatherings without a lot of restrictions in place in terms of how many people are vaccinated in that gathering, what level of masking. You guys talked about how the Kentucky Derby's running and and they're all going to be wearing masks, they're outdoors.

That's good, but it's the other things going on around that that are also a problem. There's lots of derby parties indoors without masks on. So, these are -- these gatherings are really a place where this can spread and really cause huge outbreaks within communities. That's a problem.

PAUL: The number this morning sounds promising, yes? A hundred million people fully vaccinated. That's about 30.5 percent, if I believe to be correct, of the U.S. population, but we need 70 percent to 85 percent to hit herd immunity. Do you think we can hit it and what happens if we don't?

SWAMINATHAN: This is a really amazing question, and I don't know. I don't know that we can hit it, but we have to try as hard as possible to get there. With 100 million vaccinations, that's a huge accomplishment, but a lot of us have been saying that we've gotten kind of the easy part of this so far and none of it's been easy, but what we've gotten is the people who are vaccinated are those that would have climbed Everest to get that vaccine and now we kind of have three different groups of people that are left out there.

We have people who would still climb Everest to get it, but are having access issues and for that group, we need to get mobile units, we need to expand community delivery, we need to have no-appointment vaccinations available.


We have a group that's hesitant and for that group, we need to make it as easy as possible and expand education and then we have a group that really says they're not going to get the vaccine and for that group, again, we have to outreach, we have to talk to community leaders and really align with them and find out what it is that we can do to help to convince people this is the right way to go.

As far as what could happen if we don't get there -- and we don't even know exactly what that number is and many people say we'll never get there and I like to be a little bit more hopeful. I think we can get to that number. If we don't, what we will probably see is pockets of outbreaks, but as more people get vaccinated, it means that person one gets it, person two might get it, but then it stops at person three and that's what we really need to see.

The more people who get vaccinated, the less likely that we have massive outbreaks.

PAUL: Yes. SWAMINATHAN: So, can we get there? I think we can, but we need to do education, we need to do community outreach, we need to align with those leaders to make this happen.

PAUL: Dr. Anand Swaminathan, it is so good to have you with us. Thank you for taking time for us today.

SWAMINATHAN: Thank you very much.

PAUL: Now, President Biden is returning to a familiar place. He's trying to sell his $4 trillion economic plan. The question is will lawmakers get on board?

SANCHEZ: Plus, a developing story we're following out of India, a fire tearing through a hospital COVID ward, killing more than a dozen people. What we're learning about that ahead.




PAUL: Fifteen minutes past the hour right now. President Biden says he's on a mission to, quote, "Help America get back on track." He's hitting the road to get voters and their representatives in Congress on board with his plan to spend trillions on physical and social infrastructure and create new jobs in the process.

SANCHEZ: Yes. And at his latest stop, that pitch got personal. The President, who, for decades, commuted by train to work in Washington stopping by an Amtrak station. He spent almost as much time retelling old stories about falling asleep on the train as he did trying to make the case that only the government can make the kind of investments that will help the economy recover.

CNN's Jasmine Wright joins us now live from the White House. Jasmine, bring us up to speed. Where does Biden's economic agenda stand right now?

JASMINE WRIGHT, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, Boris and Christi, it stands in sales pitch mode right now. We saw President Biden yesterday out for the second day making the case directly to the American people of why they need his multitrillion dollar jobs and infrastructure package, in part because it will keep America competitive at a global scale with his eye directly on China. Take a listen to him yesterday.


JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We need to remember we're in competition with the rest of the world. People come here and set up businesses, people stay here, people grow because of the ability to access. Access transportation, access all the infrastructure is what allows us to compete and with the rest of the world, to win the 21st century, we've got to move.


WRIGHT: So that is the President's message out on the road, but back here in D.C., officials know that moderate Democrats have been asking about whether or not this is going to be targeted, if this is too big and Republicans don't seem warm at it at all, specifically because of that everything else that's not traditional infrastructure.

Still, President Biden says that he wants to find bipartisan support. So he has invited the Republican Senator Shelley Moore Capito to the White House to discuss her Republican-led counter proposal, but the President has made a clear line, saying that if Republicans don't meet him halfway, it is a no-go and, Christi and Boris, that Republican counter proposal came in nearly $1.5 trillion short of President Biden's $2.25 trillion asking point. That isn't halfway.

So, the White House now is looking for a compromise. Where that White House -- where that compromise is, we're not sure yet, but while they look for it here in D.C., President Biden will be again taking his message out on the road. He'll be in Virginia with the First Lady on Monday and the Vice President hits Wisconsin. Christi, Boris.

SANCHEZ: A busy week for the President and Vice President. Jasmine Wright at the White House. Thanks so much for the update. Let's dig deeper now with CNN political commentator Errol Louis. He's also a political anchor for "Spectrum News." Errol, as always, we appreciate you getting up early for us. Let's get right to Biden's agenda. He's hitting the road selling this infrastructure and jobs plan.

I read that you thought he did a good job Wednesday night selling it to the American people during his speech before a joint session of Congress. How would you grade his efforts to sell this, though, to Congress, not to Senate Republicans, but the key Democrats that he's going to need to get this passed, people like Joe Manchin?

ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think that is going to be, in some ways, the easiest part of this very difficult political sales job that the President is embarking on. It's one thing to try and convince partisan Republicans who are salivating over the prospect of retaking control of the Senate and the House next year, which they have a fairly good chance of doing.

It's another thing to sort of talk to his fellow Democrats about staying in power, about doing the things that they've all promised, about delivering hundreds of billions of dollars to areas that really need it and to possibly maybe pull off a win and maintain control of the House and the Senate after next year's midterm elections.

So, it's not going to be that hard to convince, I think, Senator Manchin and others who are seen as moderates or waverers that this is going to be good for them well, both politically and good for the country as a whole. The question is going to be whether or not they waste too much time trying to get Republican votes that are simply not there.

I mean, you know, Joe Biden is kind of going through the motions, it's what he promised on the campaign trail, but there's absolutely no reason to think he's going to get any serious cooperation from the Republican Senate.


SANCHEZ: Yes. And notably, in order for Biden to keep the Congress on his side, he's going to have to win Independent voters and moderate Republicans. I want to point to this new CNN poll that's out. Seven in 10. Seventy percent of Republicans incorrectly, with zero legitimate evidence believe that Biden did not win the presidency. You wrote that Biden did well in speaking to working class voters and Trump voters Wednesday night. How does he actually cut across through that 70 percent, through that nonsense, the sort of cult of Trump?

LOUIS: Well, look, what the Biden team is going to try and do, and they've got trillions of dollars to do it with if they're -- if they're successful, is try and go around a lot of the political class and go directly to the voters, taking a page out of the book of Ronald Reagan who used to do this regularly, which is go around the politicians and go directly to the voters.

Because in the end, no matter how much right-wing media people might be consuming about who won or lost the election or what was good or bad about Donald Trump or about the January 6th insurrection, a new road, a new bridge, new jobs, investment in families, that stuff does really hit home.

And Joe Biden is betting on the idea that people, no matter what it is that they've consumed on conservative media, are going to be interested, are going to be intrigued or at least not going to hate the Biden administration and hate the Democratic Party for building a new school in their community or for building a new road or for fixing the bridges.

And it's not at all sure -- it's not at all assured that this is going to work out for Biden, but that's the political calculation. It's a pretty reasonable one under the circumstances because you can't get into the -- if Joe Biden gets on to the terrain of trying to argue that his election was legitimate, he will have already lost politically. I don't think he's going to fall for that.

SANCHEZ: Yes. Notably, a lot of Republicans also feel that arguing about 2020 is a losing effort. Let's move on and talk about another item on the Biden agenda -- police reform. Meetings this week between lawmakers on the George Floyd Act didn't really produce much indication that something is going to pass before May 25th, the anniversary of Floyd's death. In your eyes, is the White House doing enough to push this across the finish line and what could happen in bigger picture to the Biden agenda if this fails?

LOUIS: Well, the larger agenda is not going to be capsized if this bill fails to pass unfortunately. It's really important that some of these issues make their way into the conversation. The reality, though, Boris, is that law enforcement, when you get down to the granular level where reform really takes place, it's a local matter. It's not something the federal government can have a lot to do to sort of force things forward. But the administration has already signaled by initiating investigations in Minneapolis, in Louisville and other places, looking into departments, going back to what had worked under the Obama administration, which are these consent decrees. They'll show that they're doing what they can. In the end, Boris, this is about satisfying the democratic base, a large part of which is really concerned about what has happened with police reform or not happened.

They can signal that they want it to happen, they could push for the bill as hard as they can, but even if the bill doesn't pass, there are things that can be done by executive action and satisfying the Democratic base will, I think, take care of the political need that really lay at the base of all of these efforts.

SANCHEZ: Yes. Well, it's not just about satisfying the base. It's also about getting something done and actually making change that sticks, right? Errol Louis, we appreciate the time. Thank you so much, sir.

LOUIS: Thank you.

PAUL: One ICU doctor in India says the horrifying scenes that she is seeing in her hospital and her community right now are, quote, "Nothing short of an apocalypse." You need to see it for yourself. We have got it on the other side of this break. The pictures, the voices, the story. Stay close.




PAUL: I know it's devastating to see, but it is the reality this morning in India. Eighteen people are dead after a fire ripped through a hospital's COVID-19 ICU ward. According to officials, 16 of the people who died were patients, two were staff. Roughly 60 patients were there when the fire started. The survivors have been moved to nearby hospitals now. Officials say this morning a short circuit may have started that fire. There is an investigation going on.

SANCHEZ: Now, the fire is just the latest in a series of awful scenes across India as COVID-19 continues to ravage the country. Yesterday, India reported over 400,000 new cases for the first time and another 3,000 people died from the virus.

PAUL: CNN's Clarissa Ward went to New Delhi where hospitals are on the verge of collapse there. I don't want you to be caught off guard here. These are disturbing images and disturbing stories, but it is what is happening, so here we go.


CLARISSA WARD, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In Delhi now, you're never far from heartbreak. Almost everyone in the city has been visited by grief. At the Seemapuri crematorium, the loss weighs heavily in the smoldering air and the dead are piling up. [06:30:00]

There are bodies literally everywhere you turn here. I've honestly never seen anything quite like it. And the organizers say that pre- COVID, they might cremate seven or eight people a day. Today alone, they've already cremated 55 bodies and it's not even lunchtime.

WARD (voice-over): Just months ago, India's leadership boasted that the country had effectively defeated COVID. Now, it has set global records for new cases as a terrifying second wave ravages the country. Getenda Singh Shanti(ph) says he and his men don't even stop to take breaks, and still, they can barely cope with the flow. A volunteer approaches, they've run out of tables for the bodies, he says. Then adds that his mother died from COVID the night before.

(on camera): You must be tired?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very. But this time is not for rest.

WARD: Do you believe the government figures, the death tolls, the COVID figures that they're giving, or do you think the real figures are much higher?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The figure up --

WARD: The numbers that you're seeing on television are the numbers of people who are dying in hospitals, he says. They're not factoring in the people who died at home in isolation. If those numbers are added, the actual number will go up by three times. To keep up with those mounting numbers, the crematorium has been forced to expand, creating an overflow area in a neighboring car park. Sham Sharma(ph) is saying good-bye to his 45-year-old younger brother.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Last night, I was thinking that his health is improving, but suddenly, the phone-off doctor came on my mobile phone, that your brother has expired.

WARD: Do you think his death could have been prevented?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I think we can -- we could have saved him with better health hospital.

WARD (voice-over): India's health care system is at a breaking point. Unable to cope with the scale of the crisis, its people left to fend for themselves. This crowd has been waiting for six hours, for the chance to get some oxygen. They can't rely on the state.

(on camera): Who is the oxygen for?


WARD: Your mother? How old is she?


WARD: Is her oxygen very low? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She's in a very critical condition.


WARD: Fifty-eight --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fifty eight percent --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fifty eight percent, right --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we're trying since morning, we're not getting oxygen anywhere.

WARD: How many places have you been to?


WARD: Nineteen?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since morning, since 6:00 a.m.

WARD: Have you tried taking her to the hospital?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are no beds.

WARD: There are no beds.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Before four days, we have tried so much, but we didn't get any beds.

WARD (voice-over): Priyash Ravastiva(ph) was lucky enough to find her mother a place in a hospital only to find out there was no oxygen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think I have seen it enter my eyes.

WARD (on camera): What should they do?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I'm so scared what's going to happen with my mom.

WARD: Are you angry?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm so angry because of this organization. Our very government is so careless, they even don't care about what the public are suffering. They don't know from which thing we are suffering. There are so many people who are standing over there and fighting for this thing.

WARD (voice-over): Her mother is now in critical condition. Like many here, she feels completely overwhelmed. For those who can't source their own oxygen, this is the only option. A drive-in oxygen center by the side of the road. A woman arrives unconscious in a rickshaw. Several hospitals have already turned her away. They simply didn't have the beds. Now, she is relying on the kindness of strangers. Her sons work desperately to try to revive her. (on camera): This isn't a hospital or even a clinic. It's a Sikh

Temple. But for these people who have already been turned away from so many hospitals, this is their last chance at survival.

(voice-over): The leader of the Sikh charity that runs this facility says it gets no support at all from the government. He says, he already had COVID twice. But he and his volunteers continue to work 24 hours a day.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We want to save their lives. This is our heart's voice.

WARD (on camera): It must hurt your heart to see the way your people are suffering.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, madam, many times we cry also what is going on.

WARD (voice-over): It is impossible to escape the tragedy of this vicious second wave. Coronavirus is ravaging the old, but it has not spared India's young. The Prime Minister has announced that everyone over the age of 18 can get the vaccine. But with less than 2 percent of the country inoculated, that offers only a distant hope. So, India's capital continues to burn. Suffocated by the rampant spread of this deadly virus. A city and a country brought to its knees, praying for respite. Clarissa Ward, CNN, New Delhi.




SANCHEZ: The raids by federal agents of Rudy Giuliani's apartments and office this week is raising fears among former President Trump's inner circle. The searches are linked to a criminal probe of the former mayor's dealings in Ukraine.

PAUL: Sources close to the former president tell CNN his allies are concerned the raid signals the Justice Department is more willing to investigate the 45th president and his inner circle than they previously believed.


ALEX MARQUARDT, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice- over): When federal agents swooped in raiding the New York apartment and office of Rudy Giuliani, they were reportedly trying to zero in on the role that Giuliani played in ousting the former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch. According to "The New York Times", one search warrant stated that it was seeking evidence related to the Yovanovitch ouster. FBI agents seized Giuliani's electronic devices to investigate communication he had with Ukrainians about the effort.

RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: That warrant is completely illegal.

MARQUARDT: On "Fox News", Giuliani denied that he was acting on behalf of Ukrainians and blasted the prosecutor's decision to search his home and office.

GIULIANI: There is no justification for that warrant. It is an illegal, unconstitutional warrant. One of many that this department of injustice tragically has done.

MARQUARDT: Giuliani, Trump's personal attorney met with Ukrainian officials as he attempted to dig up dirt on Joe Biden, his boss' chief political rival. Giuliani's conversations with Ukrainians also centered around their desire to remove Ambassador Yovanovitch, a career diplomat who Giuliani believed was hindering his efforts to dig up dirt on Biden. During the first impeachment of Donald Trump, Yovanovitch accused Giuliani of mounting a smear campaign against her.

MARIE YOVANOVITCH, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE: I do not understand Mr. Giuliani's motives for attacking me nor can I offer an opinion on whether he believed the allegations he spread about me.

MARQUARDT: Giuliani's efforts worked, Trump was convinced and Yovanovitch was removed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why do you need her out of the way?

GIULIANI: I didn't need her out of the way, I forced her out because she's corrupt.


MARQUARDT: We know that one of Giuliani's main Ukrainian contacts, a lawmaker named Andrii Derkach was according to U.S. Intelligence a Russian agent. Now sources have told CNN that while Giuliani was working with Ukrainians, the Trump administration was warned that some of the information that Giuliani was being given was from foreign intelligence. So, it's very hard to believe that Giuliani wouldn't have known that there were very serious concerns about the people he was working with. Boris, Christi?

PAUL: Thank you so much. Joey Jackson, a criminal defense attorney and CNN legal analyst with us right now. Joey, good to see you this morning. Let's talk about what one Trump adviser told CNN, he said this was a show of force that sent a strong message to a lot of people in Trump's world that other things may be coming down the pipeline. From a legal standpoint, Joey, does this raid tell you that there are people in his inner circle that are vulnerable?

JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: So, Christi, good morning to you. I think it sends a strong message in a number of ways. You know, we need a Department of Justice, and for a long time, we didn't have one, who is just looking at and investigating criminality no matter where it comes from. It doesn't matter whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, if you've transgressed the law, then you should be investigated and prosecuted. That includes a former adviser and a former lawyer to the president. No one should be immune. You know, big picture, Christi, we have Merrick Garland in charge now,

he's given the indication that things are going to be done a different way. What does that mean? It means there will pattern and practice investigations into issues of, you know, racial discrimination in police departments, we're not talking about that now, but I'm using that as a reference to say that this is a Justice Department that's not going to be guided by what Biden wants investigated, who is my political opponent or enemy, you know, what they're doing, what they're doing to harm or hurt me.

And indications were, Christi, that Biden when he was asked didn't even know about or get advanced warning about this. And that's how it should work. And so, to the core of your question, I hope it represents not only the president's inner circle, but anyone, whether politically influenced or connected or not, if there are allegations as to impropriety or illegality, you should be investigated and brought to justice.


And that's what a Justice Department is supposed to do. So, yes, I think if they're people in the inner circle of the former president who were involved in transgressions, I think accountability is right around the corner.

PAUL: So, Joey, Giuliani and his attorney both argue that he's been cooperating with investigators for quite some time now, a couple of years. That in fact, the Trump adviser described the raid as, quote, "overkill", saying why send seven FBI agents to collect a cellphone and a laptop. It wasn't that. There were eight different devices as we understand it, that they -- that they collected. But if it's true he's cooperating, what would warrant a raid and the publicity and the spectacle that comes with it?

JACKSON: So, a couple of things, Christi. The first thing is that I learned to take, you know, anything that he or other people who are biased, you know, with a grain of salt. Right, I mean, I saw his interview with Tucker Carlson. I saw him waxing poetic about, you know, the Biden crime family, about Hunter Biden, about everything. And deflecting anything as it relates to, you know, everyone else, but what did you do, sir, right? So, with regard to what the claims are made, I'm kind of skeptical of that. Having said that, let's say you do and are cooperating, Department of Justice and the FBI do things their way, right?

And the fact is that when they send someone to your home, they don't send one, two or three agents. There are certain protocols and formalities, right? And so, those protocols and formalities to cure the items that they're looking for, in this case electronic devices, they send several agents, they do it as a measure of protection for the subject of the investigation. They do it as a measure of protection for them. They don't want a few agents colluding with any subject, and they don't want, you know, certainly any of their subjects in danger or jeopardy. And so what they do is they send people to your house, they get the items that are based upon a search warrant. They retrieve those items for further analysis, and that's what they

do. There was no banging down the door. There were no flash grenades, you know, there was no storming into the house. They simply went, followed the protocols, locked the place down, got the items left, and in Giuliani's terms were very professional. And so that's just the way in which our department and our government operates, and I think that's the professional way in which they should operate, quite frankly.

PAUL: All right, and that's what we're seeing. Joey Jackson, it's always good to see you. Thank you so much for getting up early for us.

JACKSON: Thank you, Christi.

PAUL: Sure --

JACKSON: Always.

SANCHEZ: Get the Mint Juleps and Seersucker suits ready, Derby day is here. The 147th running of the Kentucky Derby is tonight. One jockey has a chance to do something that has not been done in over a century. We'll take you to Kentucky in just a bit.



SANCHEZ: Oversized hats, Seersucker suits, the fine smell of crushed mint in the air, it can only mean one thing, Christi, it's Derby day.

PAUL: Do you have a Seersucker suit?


SANCHEZ: I do not, but I may or may not have a Mint Julep, not far from the set --

PAUL: That's what I'm talking about. You said -- you said that about the fragrance, so, the men -- and I thought that man knows what he's talking about. Andy Scholes, I bet, does, too, he's live from Churchill Downs in Louisville.

SANCHEZ: Look at what he's certainly dressed in.

PAUL: Yes, have you partaken yet in the -- in the Mint Julep?

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Well, I did go to the Kentucky Oaks yesterday, guys, and I may or may not have had a Mint Julep. I'll let you just wonder about that. But we're going to have a beautiful day here at Churchill Downs for the 147th running of the Kentucky Derby. Fans will be back this year. It's not going to be the normal 150,000-plus here watching the races. They're expecting between 40,000 to 50,000 fans for the run for the roses this time around, and we could see history later today. Kendrick Carmouche is going to be the first black rider in the Derby since 2013, he's going to be on Bourbonic.

Black jockeys, they have a rich history here at the Kentucky Derby, winning 15 of the first 28 races, but a black jockey hasn't won since 1902 as many were forced out of the sport in Jim Crow era. And I caught up with Kendrick, asked him how it feels to be competing in his very first Kentucky Derby.


KENDRICK CARMOUCHE, BOURBONIC RIDER: I'm the inspiration for the family, you know, and for a lot of other people, too. You know, I'm here for them. I'm here to show them my travel, my hard work and my perseverance. And each step that I took to get where I'm at today, it was -- it wasn't easy, it was very hard getting to this point. But it feels that much better to be running for the roses.


SCHOLES: All right, post-time for the Kentucky Derby later today, 6:57 Eastern. Now, the NFL draft meanwhile continuing with rounds two and three last night in Cleveland. And the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, well, they may have drafted Tom Brady's future replacement, taking Florida quarterback Kyle Trask with the final pick in the second round of the draft. Trask, he threw for 43 touchdowns as a senior for the Florida Gators last season. Brady about to turn 44 years old, he just signed a new contract that's going to keep him in Tampa for at least the next two seasons.

And now he's probably motivated today even longer, guys. And Brady actually posting on social media, he's heading here to go to the Kentucky Derby. He -- it's one of the events he does come to quite often. So, he'll be one of the many here today cheering on.

PAUL: Alright, Andy, have fun out there. We'll be talking to him later.

SCHOLES: All right --

SANCHEZ: Thanks Andy.

PAUL: Thank you. So, we have an all new CNN original series on "HOW LATE NIGHT TV GOT ITS START". It premieres this weekend. Take a look.


WHOOPI GOLDBERG, ACTRESS & TALK-SHOW HOST: And late night, you can have as much fun as you want because children aren't watching.


ROBERT THOMPSON, TRUSTEE PROFESSOR OF TELEVISION & POPULAR CULTURE, SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY: There really was a sense that, wow, you'd never see that from 8:00 to 11:00.

STEVE ALLEN, FORMER LATE TV PERSONALITY: This is what we call the push technique. It's very gentle, there's no whack right in the face. It's just a nice easy push.


ROB BURNETT, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN: You look at Steve Allen's whole career, it was a certain subversive sensibility, it was the idea of doing things that in some sense didn't really belong on television.

ALLEN: There's one more technique.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wait, there's the sneaky Johnny Wilson technique.

ALLEN: You wouldn't -- oh, I see --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You've got to go under like this, and you go --


KLIPH NESTEROFF, AUTHOR: Steve Allen despite being on the major television network was almost considered underground. He was almost considered like a secret handshake.

ALLEN: Johnny Wilson, you're going to get it tonight.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you were into Steve Allen, and you knew what was up, you were cool.

PAUL REISER, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, THERE'S JOHNNY: He was really hip and funny, but he was so straight and that you didn't see it coming.

ALLEN: We're going to pass out bars of soap for all, take a community shower right now.



PAUL: That's still good even today, isn't it? Don't miss "THE STORY Of LATE NIGHT", it starts tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. right here on CNN.